Stroud wins first superbike race at Teretonga

[jellywrestler]

Just checked on NZSBK website and Andrew Stroud took another win despite Bugden's quickest lap being .22 seconds quicker than his, thats two wins and a fourth against Bugdens one win one second and one DNF.
Go Kiwi's

[cmoore]

shame about the last race...the officials cocked that one up for him, he must be pissed!!

[scrivy]

What was cocked up??

[KS34]

They let the race go an extra lap, Stroud was in the lead on lap 15 and had a moment and Bugden got round him and crossed the line in front on the new last lap 16.

[KS34]

By the way another good round for Suzuki although down to 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th in the champs!!!:first::second::third::niceone:

[woodyracer]

i was going for shiffiffs but what the heck, strouds the man!

[sidecar bob]

They let the race go an extra lap, Stroud was in the lead on lap 15 and had a moment and Bugden got round him and crossed the line in front on the new last lap 16.

F.F.S !! And theyre making it stand?? What a cluster fuck.
You can just imagine the conversation in the flag box, "Oh no, Strouds in the lead, we dont like him 'cos hes a genuinely top all 'round bloke, what shall i do?" ," let it go another lap, that'll fuck 'im".

[KS34]

Yep apparently the rule is race to the flag not the number of laps.

In a controversial finish to the last Superbike race at Teretonga today , Robbie Bugden took a close victory from Andrew Stroud. The race was a close affair between the two Suzuki pilots and Craig Shirriffs on a Honda. With all three share the battle for the lead at some stage during the race , in the closing stages Stroud took the lead and was leading on the fifteenth lap, however the white flag was not shown and an extra lap taken, Stroud had a moment at the hairpin on this lap which allowed Bugden through for the win.

The official rule dictated that you must run to the flag , not the laps. Bugden therefore was declared the winner.

Top Results:

1) Robbie Bugden Suzuki
2) Andrew Stroud Suzuki
3) Craig Shirriffs Honda.

[White trash]

F.F.S !! And theyre making it stand?? What a cluster fuck.

Whit flag wasn't displayed at the end of lap 14. As per MNZ rules we race from flag to flag, so therefor the 16 lap race result stands. Bit of a fuckup but really, it's the fairer way of closing the issue. Otherwise you've got the argument that no one knew it was the last lap.

[sidecar bob]

Whit flag wasn't displayed at the end of lap 14. As per MNZ rules we race from flag to flag, so therefor the 16 lap race result stands. Bit of a fuckup but really, it's the fairer way of closing the issue. Otherwise you've got the argument that no one knew it was the last lap.

Yeah, fair enough. I think the real issue here is that there appears to be officials in the sport that cant count to fourteen.

[Pussy]

Whit flag wasn't displayed at the end of lap 14. As per MNZ rules we race from flag to flag, so therefor the 16 lap race result stands. Bit of a fuckup but really, it's the fairer way of closing the issue. Otherwise you've got the argument that no one knew it was the last lap.
Especially the people who were supposed to be running it.....



What a fuck up!

[White trash]

Yeah, fair enough. I think the real issue here is that there appears to be officials in the sport that cant count to fourteen.

Not a small issue either, especially with race control having electronic timing monitors in front of them :D Good skills.

[KS34]

You have to wonder about MNZ I know they get a bashing frequently on here but it is resonably easy to count to 14 then 15, but also there is F all News about the champs, watched the News tonight and there was nothing and adding insult to injury they had coverage of people rollerblade racing for fucks sake and of course the nzv8's got time.:no:

[k14]

Yeah and the thing is that this wasn't the first time a cock up happened over the weekend. In the first 125 race the white flag was shown for 2 laps then the chequered. 3 guys pulled in after assuming the chequered flag was being waived one lap after the white, it wasn't and thus they should have been dnf'd. But for some reason the officials decided to go against the rules and declare the race at 10 laps, which was still under the white flag. The eleventh lap was chequered, go figure...

[sidecar bob]

Yeah and the thing is that this wasn't the first time a cock up happened over the weekend. In the first 125 race the white flag was shown for 2 laps then the chequered. 3 guys pulled in after assuming the chequered flag was being waived one lap after the white, it wasn't and thus they should have been dnf'd. But for some reason the officials decided to go against the rules and declare the race at 10 laps, which was still under the white flag. The eleventh lap was chequered, go figure...
Ahh, so they cant even count to ten? im beginning to wonder if they can count at all.
And and and!!! they didnt run sidecars after saying that all classes had to run all five rounds in order for that class to be elegible for NZ championship status. Oh well, so long as they can count to five i guess.

[jellywrestler]

A similar thing happened not too many years ago at Teretonga. White flag displayed while Haldane led Rees, next lap they crossed the line and Haldane had an onboard lap timer, counting correctly according to the alloted race laps, having seen the white flag concluded the race had been run, although he hadn't seen the chequered flag. Rees kept at it and by the time Haldane opened the throttle agian it was too late to catch Rees. The race went to Rees...
It all comes down to Invercargill people having less fingers than the rest of the country it appears!!

[sidecar bob]

It all comes down to Invercargill people having less fingers than the rest of the country it appears!!

A plausible explination then in that case, is that the flag man was in fact Homer Simpson.

[jellywrestler]

A plausible explination then in that case, is that the flag man was in fact Homer Simpson.
but you weren't down there were you?

[Pussy]

This stinks of unprofessionalism.....
Can't count to 14??

[sidecar bob]

but you weren't down there were you?

Everyone is going, Spyda ya bastard, dont start bob raving again.
NO Spyda, i wasnt there, because the number of rounds for sidecars was altered & we had to can our tickets because if Tracey had gone down south for three weeks people would have drowned at the dentist, due to the fact that there would have been nobody there to suck the spit out of their throats with the sucky thing.

[Kiwi Graham]

What a fuck up!!
mind you waving the chequred with out the white would be a fuck up too.

I hear Andrew thought about protesting but changed his mind, I hope this race doesn't come back and haunt him by March
Use the psychology mate good luck in the next round.

[CHOPPA]

Same thing happened at Ruapuna, they ran 16 laps, my pitboard said id done 15 and i could hardly see the flag cause of the rain, i slowed but could see Robbie and James still goin flat out i looked behind and saw andrew with his head down so i figured i better get my ass into gear for another lap!

[Pussy]

Quite frankly.... it's just not good enough, especially this sort of carry-on for the National series.
It's laughable

[scrivy]

Flags and their useage can be a bastard sometimes.
I remember back in '93 at Baypark, I crossed the finish line comfortably ahead of Westie and the finish flaggie forgot to give me the white flag. He did however give Westie the white flag behind me. I continued like a crazied lunatic, and stuffed up the right hander, only for Westie to pass me. I thought, no biggie, I'll get him back in a couple of corners - still at least another lap to go. Well, I came around the last turn and low and behold - the chequered flag. I fisnished second!!! I told the finisher that I was right f@3ked off!! He said 'Tell someone who cares'!!!
Still to this day I can't believe the reply!! :nono:

[cmoore]

I think the correct action was taken when the white flag was missed and the rule to ride to the flags is an understandable option…but I do feel for Andrew, he timed the ride perfectly…and the split second he spent thinking about what was going on no doubt had something to do whit him missing that corner and getting taken………on the 16th….

[roogazza]

Quite frankly.... it's just not good enough, especially this sort of carry-on for the National series.
It's laughable
Not funny is it ? As usual unless you are a fan you'd be hard pressed to know a series was on. ( TV news, nothing !) I'll still pop along to Rd 4 Manfeild, to watch nine superbikes and what was it 13 F3s ? G.

[woodyracer]

it will be on TV on the 31st..........

[sidecar bob]

it will be on TV on the 31st..........
So the whole country will get the opportunity to witness this faux pax first hand. Sweet as!!

[quickbuck]

So the whole country will get the opportunity to witness this faux pax first hand. Sweet as!!

Only if we manage to remember to record it....

[jellywrestler]

Not funny is it ? As usual unless you are a fan you'd be hard pressed to know a series was on. ( TV news, nothing !) I'll still pop along to Rd 4 Manfeild, to watch nine superbikes and what was it 13 F3s ? G.
I was in christchurch over the weekend of the nationals and the TV was inundated with ads for the races and I saw several trailers with billboards advertising it on.
The crowd was quite plentiful despite the weather too.
MNZ have done a great job this year
also TV One had a crew come out for the Superbike Grand Prix.

[k14]

I was in christchurch over the weekend of the nationals and the TV was inundated with ads for the races and I saw several trailers with billboards advertising it on.
The crowd was quite plentiful despite the weather too.
MNZ have done a great job this year
also TV One had a crew come out for the Superbike Grand Prix.
Yes exactly, the crowd for ruapuna is by far the biggest I have seen in my 5-6 years racing. The advertising was great, heard ads on the radio frequently in the days leading up to it and even saw an ad on tv in the first ad break during the 6pm news! They also had a story on 1 news on sunday night, even though there was V8's in invercargill the same day they didn't get a mention.

[MIXONE]

story on 1 news on sunday night, even though there was V8's in invercargill the same day they didn't get a mention.
TV3 have got the rights to the V8's so TV One wont bother with any coverage.
One had an hour of highlights from Wanganui on in the avo too.

[scrivy]

Whit flag wasn't displayed at the end of lap 14. As per MNZ rules we race from flag to flag, so therefor the 16 lap race result stands. Bit of a fuckup but really, it's the fairer way of closing the issue. Otherwise you've got the argument that no one knew it was the last lap.


I think the correct action was taken when the white flag was missed and the rule to ride to the flags is an understandable option…but I do feel for Andrew, he timed the ride perfectly…and the split second he spent thinking about what was going on no doubt had something to do whit him missing that corner and getting taken………on the 16th….

Yes I agree we should be shown a chequered flag to signal a finish lap. But what if there were more laps??
Um, wouldn't the supplementary regs of each meeting then come into play?? It stated x amount of laps, and no one was notified before hand of an increase in laps. So shouldn't it have been taken back to the stated amount of laps? In the superbike class they measure out their fuel exactly to the 1/2 literage. What if Stroudy had run out of fuel on the extra last lap?? Would he have then been able to protest fairly??

[k14]

TV3 have got the rights to the V8's so TV One wont bother with any coverage.
One had an hour of highlights from Wanganui on in the avo too.
Not true, tv1 showed highlights in the sports news last night from Timaru.

[MIXONE]

Not true, tv1 showed highlights in the sports news last night from Timaru.
My bad.
And neither showed any bike racing as usual...

[quickbuck]

In the superbike class they measure out their fuel exactly to the 1/2 literage. What if Stroudy had run out of fuel on the extra last lap?? Would he have then been able to protest fairly??

Agree fully, even in F3 some teams measure out the fuel for the duration.
However you always have to put a bit more in, just in case there is a Red Flag situation during the race.

So if there was a Red Flag, and a Restart, then the fuel might have been very tight.

We did get the (F3) bike back with a few fumes left in it after one race at Manfeild.
1/2 a litre per lap for a 400 is darn crazy... but that is what it is using!!!

[sharky]

Agree fully, even in F3 some teams measure out the fuel for the duration.
However you always have to put a bit more in, just in case there is a Red Flag situation during the race.

So if there was a Red Flag, and a Restart, then the fuel might have been very tight.

We did get the (F3) bike back with a few fumes left in it after one race at Manfeild.
1/2 a litre per lap for a 400 is darn crazy... but that is what it is using!!!

And Round 2 in one of the Pre 89 races I seems to recall an unhappy camper only making it as far as the slip road on the last lap

[quickbuck]

And Round 2 in one of the Pre 89 races I seems to recall an unhappy camper only making it as far as the slip road on the last lap
You recall well.
Previous season apparently it was 3 laps per litre. Not 2!

But as the Tui Sticker says on the side; She's Still pretty much standard.

[Bren_chch]

I was in christchurch over the weekend of the nationals and the TV was inundated with ads for the races and I saw several trailers with billboards advertising it on.
The crowd was quite plentiful despite the weather too.
MNZ have done a great job this year
also TV One had a crew come out for the Superbike Grand Prix.

Hey... actually it was Motorcycling Canterbury that done a great job, they organised the billboards in town, the numerous trailers with billboards and a whole lot of the radio coverage! :niceone:

[slowpoke]

The crowd was quite plentiful despite the weather too.
MNZ have done a great job this year
also TV One had a crew come out for the Superbike Grand Prix.

Yep, after my lil' faux pas I trekked around the circuit to different vantage points and the crowd was pretty healthy despite some dodgy weather. Ruapuna is great not just from a riders perspective, you can see the whole track from nearly anywhere and with that stop bank around the track you can just park your car up on it and view in relative comfort no matter the conditions. Great set up and a great crew running the event.:niceone:

[gav]

Actually I heard the real reason for the big crowd at Ruapuna was to see the bucket bikes race! :rolleyes:

[Robert Taylor]

Just checked on NZSBK website and Andrew Stroud took another win despite Bugden's quickest lap being .22 seconds quicker than his, thats two wins and a fourth against Bugdens one win one second and one DNF.
Go Kiwi's

Dont be too hard on Robbie, he is a really good guy and has made the Kiwis lift their game. That is a good thing....

[slofox]

I read a report of this race in the local newsrag.

Is the guy's name BUDGEN or BUGDEN? 'cause the local paper used both spellings - apparently alternately...seems they don't use proof readers any more...

[White trash]

Dont be too hard on Robbie, he is a really good guy and has made the Kiwis lift their game. That is a good thing....

They're all nice chaps at the top level though. It's just a matter of taking the time to say "G'Day" and ask how they're going to break the ice. I reckon it's pretty rare that a rider put's themselves upon a pedestal.

That's all except that Shirriffs chap. Just plain snobby that character..............

[scrivy]

That's all except that Shirriffs chap. Just plain snobby that character..............

Homos always act like that..........:rolleyes:

[woodyracer]

shirriffs is a nice guy, i dont find him snobby, you guys just dont understand his sense of humour.

[kiwifruit]

shirriffs is a nice guy

Good looking too.

[Str8 Jacket]

shirriffs is a nice guy, i dont find him snobby, you guys just dont understand his sense of humour.

Someone's not understanding someones sense of humour, that's for sure!! ;)

[woodyracer]

you couldnt talking about me! :whistle:

[gixerracer]

may be he just thinks your a wanker and cant be assed talking to you MR white trash

[sidecar bob]

Homos always act like that..........:rolleyes:

Some guy once said to me, that Scrivy mate of yours is up his own arse, i said, well have you ever met him, he said no, but he didnt aknowledge me at riders briefing. W.T.F well good onya mate, youre a winner.

[woodyracer]

man when is gixxerracer and whitetrash ever going to make up?

[White trash]

man when is gixxerracer and whitetrash ever going to make up?
When he stops stalking me in threads. Used to write me beautiful poetry years ago. Now when we're spooning he doesn't even give me the courtesy of a reach-around.......

That's just bad manners.

[woodyracer]

im pretty sure you thread stalk him too :laugh:

[White trash]

may be he just thinks your a wanker and cant be assed talking to you MR white trash

Ya know what's funny? A bit like you, I'm embarassed by the bike I actually ride and that's why mine reads HSV. You really are pining for something fast aren't you.

[sidecar bob]

im pretty sure you thread stalk him too :laugh:

And felch him.

[White trash]

Some guy once said to me, that Scrivy mate of yours is up his own arse, i said, well have you ever met him, he said no, but he didnt aknowledge me at riders briefing. W.T.F well good onya mate, youre a winner.

Interesting you should say that. I always ASSUMED Craig would be a good cunt.........till I met him.

Turns out I was only half right.........

[sidecar bob]

That Jay Lawrence is a thread stalker too!!

[JayRacer37]

What a fuck up!!
mind you waving the chequred with out the white would be a fuck up too.

I hear Andrew thought about protesting but changed his mind, I hope this race doesn't come back and haunt him by March
Use the psychology mate good luck in the next round.

He couldn't have had a sucsessful protest - the rulebook says "run to the flags" and that is what was done. Even though it was a fuck up. The only thing that may have changed would have been the saturday 125 race as if he used that to show earlier decisions against the rulebook they would have had to have changed that result to match the rules.


I think the correct action was taken when the white flag was missed and the rule to ride to the flags is an understandable option…but I do feel for Andrew, he timed the ride perfectly…and the split second he spent thinking about what was going on no doubt had something to do whit him missing that corner and getting taken………on the 16th….

He said afterwards that he just outbroke himself trying to keep Robbie behind - it could have happend the lap before had he thought that was the last one. He didn't know until after that an extra lap had been run - it wasn't that they had two white flags or something really dumb like that, and he lead all the way around the 16th lap before he made the mistake.

[JayRacer37]

That Jay Lawrence is a thread stalker too!!

Shhhh...I'm just lurking quietly ;)

[Str8 Jacket]

Shhhh...I'm just lurking quietly ;)

There are no pies in this thread mate..... :chase:

[JayRacer37]

There are no pies in this thread mate..... :chase:

Well then i'll run out of energy like a bad action hero if I stay too long...

[woodyracer]

......hmm.......

[ellipsis]

He couldn't have had a sucsessful protest - .

Didn't even finish filling in the protest form, before throwing it away, and saying, "I'll win this on the track".

[Rcktfsh]

They're all nice chaps at the top level though. It's just a matter of taking the time to say "G'Day" and ask how they're going to break the ice. I reckon it's pretty rare that a rider put's themselves upon a pedestal.

That's all except that Shirriffs chap. Just plain snobby that character..............

i heard he mistook the pedestal for a butt plug

[JayRacer37]

Didn't even finish filling in the protest form, before throwing it away, and saying, "I'll win this on the track".

Good man! He's got the attitude this year. he will do it :)

[gixerracer]

Interesting you should say that. I always ASSUMED Craig would be a good cunt.........till I met him.

Turns out I was only half right.........

yea turned out i was just good aye

[Nonbeliever]

Actually I heard the real reason for the big crowd at Ruapuna was to see the bucket bikes race! :rolleyes:

yeah.....and the sidecars :laugh: