Bike rego course of action

[Muppet]

What are you people going to do with regard to your bike rego's now it's been set at $500 odd dollars? Assuming it doesn't get made any lower,:laugh::laugh:my intention is to put the reg on hold from April to September (Winter months), then register it for the 'Summer' months. This way they (Govt/ACC) only get $250 odd out of me. The way I see it is that most of my riding is in the summer months anyway. The only riding I do in winter is to and from work, with maybe the odd open road ride, but it's a very big maybe. How say you?

[TimeOut]

I'll regester mine for 15 months in June before it goes up, then the same as you put it on hold for the winter months

[YellowDog]

I'll regester mine for 15 months in June before it goes up, then the same as you put it on hold for the winter months

That's what I had in mind too.

The decision as to when to put rego on hold will depend upon how the weather rolls out.

[Scotty595]

Ill get a 50cc bike and register it as a moped :p

[Big Col]

Ive got three bikes and when rego runs out will put two of them on hold and rego one only, or maybe not. I wont be crying on this forum If I get caught/court, but just cant see me paying 3 ACC levies.

[blossomsowner]

on hold since about november.



the bastards will get no more money out of me.

[nico]

right on same as me

[imdying]

What are you people going to do with regard to your bike rego's now it's been set at $500 odd dollars?Brought a spare thou :lol:

[Quasievil]

Im not registering my bike, it is insured as long as it has a warrant and for a bike you dont need rego to get a warrant (unlike cars)

[shrub]

I'm planning a rebuild this winter - minor engine mods and heaps of cosmetics, so my baby will be in the lounge for about 3 months, therefore rego will be on hold. My original intention was to put rego on hold and ride anyway, but I'll be interested to see what our Constabular Tax Collection Service Ltd does. My guess is bikes will be targetted for rego checks to find people who are putting rego on hold and riding. I can't last a whole winter off the road, so will probably chance a no rego ticket.

[yachtie10]

Im not registering my bike, it is insured as long as it has a warrant and for a bike you dont need rego to get a warrant (unlike cars)

other way round you need a warrant to get a rego

[yachtie10]

would love it enough of us would put there regos on hold to make an impact

but somehow i doubt it from the feed back on this forum
will definightly put on hold for at least 3 months and would do more if it was a wider initiative

[Deano]

Mine's going on hold over winter, where it will be used for 'emergencies' only. Like any 'need to go for a ride' type of emergency.

[kwaka_crasher]

I'll regester mine for 15 months in June before it goes up, then the same as you put it on hold for the winter months

I think you'll find you'll be charged pro-rata.


Im not registering my bike, it is insured as long as it has a warrant and for a bike you dont need rego to get a warrant (unlike cars)

Cars are the same as bikes.

[yungatart]

Im not registering my bike, it is insured as long as it has a warrant and for a bike you dont need rego to get a warrant (unlike cars)

Umm?
You need a current WOF to get any vehicle rego'ed...don't know about the other way around tho....

[breakaway]

How many demerits for riding without rego?

[ukusa]

would love it enough of us would put there regos on hold to make an impact

but somehow i doubt it from the feed back on this forum
will definightly put on hold for at least 3 months and would do more if it was a wider initiative

Yep, I used to register for the whole year in one hit. I will now do mine in 3 month stints, and when the winter hits it will go on hold for at least 3 months. If there is a fine day that I simply can't resist going for a ride on, I will take the risk.
If enough people put their bikes on hold (even if only for a 3 month period), I reckon ACC will end up getting less levy than they got prior to the rip-off increase. They'll then sit in their flash offices with puzzled looks on their faces.

[kwaka_crasher]

How many demerits for riding without rego?

None, presuming you mean using an unlicensed motorvehicle.

[kwaka_crasher]

Yep, I used to register for the whole year in one hit. I will now do mine in 3 month stints, and when the winter hits it will go on hold for at least 3 months. If there is a fine day that I simply can't resist going for a ride on, I will take the risk.
If enough people put their bikes on hold (even if only for a 3 month period), I reckon ACC will end up getting less levy than they got prior to the rip-off increase. They'll then sit in their flash offices with puzzled looks on their faces.

This course of action will only have any effect on ACC is you contiinue to use the bike as always. Otherwise, statistically you'll be riding and hence crashing less.

[Quasievil]

I recently tried to get a warrant, I couldnt as the vehicle had no Rego so i needed the rego to get the warrant.
For a bike this isnt the case, you can get a warrant without a rego.................clear now ?

I have had this endorsed by my insurance company and VTNZ

[imdying]

I recently tried to get a warrant, I couldnt as the vehicle had no Rego so i needed the rego to get the warrant.
For a bike this isnt the case, you can get a warrant without a rego.................clear now ?No... no rego means what? The vehicle has no current registration license, or no registration (plate) number at all?

[Quasievil]

No... no rego means what? The vehicle has no current registration license, or no registration (plate) number at all?

Just going on what Im told, wouldnt surprise me if I was told incorrectly

[ukusa]

This course of action will only have any effect on ACC is you contiinue to use the bike as always. Otherwise, statistically you'll be riding and hence crashing less.

what the ??

[breakaway]

None, presuming you mean using an unlicensed motorvehicle.

What if you're already sitting on, say, 80 demerits, and get a ticket for rego. Does the 2 year period where your demerits reset get updated to the date of issue of latest ticket? Logic dictates that it shouldn't.

Right?

[kwaka_crasher]

what the ??

Lets go to the extreme. If there were no bikes used on the road because there were none licensed how many road bike accidents would there be, on the road?

To be effective civil disobedience in this instance doesn't mean slowing down the incidence of the activity - that's what they WANT. It requires continuing it regardless and refusing to accept the change.


Just going on what Im told, wouldnt surprise me if I was told incorrectly

I should think so. Unless, as imdying queried, you actually mean no registration i.e. unregistered as opposed to simply without a current vehicle license, not to be confused with a drivers license.

[kwaka_crasher]

What if you're already sitting on, say, 80 demerits, and get a ticket for rego. Does the 2 year period where your demerits reset get updated to the date of issue of latest ticket? Logic dictates that it shouldn't.

Right?

Correct. There are no demerits for operating an unlicensed motorvehicle anyway.

Also, contrary to popular NZ urban legend, demerit points you have do not reset their 2 years to expiry if you accumulate more for something else. They expire 2 years from the date of offence.

[Quasievil]

As in Rego on hold

[ukusa]

Lets go to the extreme. If there were no bikes used on the road because there were none licensed how many road bike accidents would there be, on the road?

To be effective civil disobedience in this instance doesn't mean slowing down the incidence of the activity - that's what they WANT. It requires continuing it regardless and refusing to accept the change.

So your saying that bikers should continue to ride all year round and pay the full 12 months rego/acc as always? That should show 'em

[imdying]

As in Rego on holdWow, that's fully ghey... I've always assumed you could get a WOF on a bike that was on hold, as it has a valid registration number in the system.

[Swoop]

I recently tried to get a warrant, I couldnt as the vehicle had no Rego so i needed the rego to get the warrant.
Interesting, as I asked the same specific question when getting a wof for the car recently.
Was told that all vehicles have to get a wof to be able to register them.

[Quasievil]

So in summary you can have your rego on hold and get a warrant................thats what I was told, and further my insurance co told me I will still be insured

[Scuba_Steve]

you cant get a WOF without Reg (the plates) and you cant get a vehicle licence (commonly refered to as Reg) without a WOF.

But back to the main subject, if we could get at least those same people that attended the BIKEOI to put all their vehicles on hold (remember its not just the bikes getting screwed people) this should work out to an est 40,000 vehicles (or est 12,000,000$ (current $)) as most "biker familys" own at least 2 bikes and 2 cars, This would be a protest Govt would have to stand up and listen too. Demands would be simple Fair ACC!!! No privatisation!, and while we're at it a multi vehicle registration system! (we can only use 1 at a time).
As for tickets during this protest, clog the courts. The police, under NZ law have to (at their own expense) take you to court (you do NOT have to ask for this, it is your right under law) & have you found guilty before they can charge you any money failure to do this put them in breech of the same law they are paid to uphold.

Thats my little rant over. But its time to stand & fight NZ we DO NOT want to become America!

[kwaka_crasher]

So your saying that bikers should continue to ride all year round and pay the full 12 months rego/acc as always? That should show 'em

The opposite. Pay nothing. Keep riding.


As in Rego on hold

No, you were definitely misinformed. You must have a WoF to relicense - a current exemption from continuous licensing ("on hold") is irrelevant.

[kwaka_crasher]

I recently tried to get a warrant, I couldnt as the vehicle had no Rego so i needed the rego to get the warrant.


So in summary you can have your rego on hold and get a warrant................thats what I was told, and further my insurance co told me I will still be insured

Those posts are complete contradictions.

[Quasievil]

Those posts are complete contradictions.

cheers, the first one related to a car, the second was what I was told regarding a bike.

[kwaka_crasher]

cheers, the first one related to a car, the second was what I was told regarding a bike.

Ahhhh well i can assure you the same applies to both - WoF before relicense. Trailers can do either independantly.

[brett7777]

How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately? what is the process? I think that could be a possible method of protest/clogging system, but i thought they basically doubled the fine and put out a warrant for arrest if you didn't pay it by a certain time? I thought the only option was to appeal it with a letter to the court? Is that correct?
Hey I just paid my rego today for 3 months, it runs from the 29Jan.
Will my next 3 monthly reminder still be at the old price?
And when does it all go up?
I'm not voting National next time, that's for sure.

[kwaka_crasher]

You write to the issuing authority (Council or Police) and say you want a defended hearing and full disclosure.

If it goes to court and you lose there are costs added - $130 I think it is now - used to be $30 'back in the day'. Then if you still don't pay there's an enforcement fee - I think that's $100.

The worst bit is that the fine can be increased from the infringement fee level of $200 to $1000. Not that it ever actually is, but this is clearly intended to discourage you from sticking up for yourself.

I think the date of the new fees is 1st July. But I expect you'll be charged pro-rata if you relicense for a period that ends after 1 July so there'd be no point in getting a 12 month license on 30 June for example because you'd just get 1 day at the old rate and the balance at the new rate. Don't hold me to that though - they may not have implemented it as legislated!

See Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 (http://tinyurl.com/yg97ehy).

Motor vehicles to be registered and licensed
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless—
(a) The motor vehicle is registered in accordance with this Part of this Act; and
(b) The registration plates and a current licence issued for that vehicle are affixed and displayed on the vehicle in the manner prescribed in any notice made under section 14 of this Act; and
(c) the full amount of the appropriate levies payable under section 214 of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001 in respect of the period for which the licence is issued. has been paid

[kwaka_crasher]

Trouble is you really have no defence. But what you can do is make a submission of the circumstances in a hope of a reduction of the amount and once it's gone through pay the fine off bit by bit. That costs the courts time and resources to administer.

[Scuba_Steve]

"How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately"

You dont the ticket clearly says its alleged, and NZ law clearly says you are innocent until proven guilty (by a court of law) and you cannot be fined unless your guilt has 1st been proven which is at the cost of the acuser (NZ Police) to do so, they legally cannot do anything until this process has been met they rely on ignorance of people to bypass this procedure i.e. by paying you are admitting guilt, but the peice of paper itself is notice of an alleged offence not a fine! & thus they cannot claim money with that alone.

[peasea]

How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately? what is the process? I think that could be a possible method of protest/clogging system, but i thought they basically doubled the fine and put out a warrant for arrest if you didn't pay it by a certain time? I thought the only option was to appeal it with a letter to the court? Is that correct?
Hey I just paid my rego today for 3 months, it runs from the 29Jan.
Will my next 3 monthly reminder still be at the old price?
And when does it all go up?
I'm not voting National next time, that's for sure.

I always plead 'not guilty', no matter what the charge. I do this as soon as I get home with the ticket in hand. Add a major story (often bullshit) and wait. They send you a date for a hearing and you then demand all manner of material, like notes from the officer, certificate of accuracy (in the case of a laser gun, whatever, speeding type-ticket) certificate of competency (for the same thing) and so on. You then get mountains of paper with which to light the fire over winter.

All of this you simply ignore, wait until the date rolls around for your court hearing and the cop goes to court and is off the road for a couple of hours. You go to work as per normal and get the fine in the mail with court costs added, which for my last effort was only 30 bucks (2008). BUT! You can now plead poverty and drip it up, which you can't do with instant fines. If you really want to drag it out, every time you are due to make a payment ring the courts and again plead poverty (you just blew your wages on tyres to keep your bike safe, right?) and this game can go on for over a year. Try it, it's fun.

[Oakie]

I suppose you guys who are going to put your rego on hold but still ride will be decllining any ACC assistance should the worst happen?

Me, I'm paying the full thing because I ride every day and I don't want to have to keep looking over my shoulder. When I pay it I'm just going to tell myself it's medical insurance and income protection insurance for under $10 a week and try to convince myself it's a good deal.

You may flame me now boys. I have my asbestos undies on.

[kwaka_crasher]

I suppose you guys who are going to put your rego on hold but still ride will be decllining any ACC assistance should the worst happen?

Me, I'm paying the full thing because I ride every day and I don't want to have to keep looking over my shoulder. When I pay it I'm just going to tell myself it's medical insurance and income protection insurance for under $10 a week and try to convince myself it's a good deal.

You may flame me now boys. I have my asbestos undies on.

So you're basically rolling over despite all the evidence that points to the hikes in ACC being uneccessary? Ever heard of the poem "First they came..."?

[kwaka_crasher]

All of this you simply ignore, wait until the date rolls around for your court hearing and the cop goes to court and is off the road for a couple of hours. You go to work as per normal and get the fine in the mail with court costs added, which for my last effort was only 30 bucks (2008).

It's still $30. Not sure where I got $130 from.

See Summary Proceedings Regulations 1958 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1958/0038/latest/DLM11468.html).

[peasea]

It's still $30. Not sure where I got $130 from.

See Summary Proceedings Regulations 1958 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1958/0038/latest/DLM11468.html).

All good. I reckon it's worth the $30 for a number of reasons. You make them work for YOUR money, instead of just scribbling tickets for such 'anarchy' as 111kph on a state highway, (you killer you.) You get the offending officer off the streets for a couple of hours and you get the satisfaction of dragging (sic) everything out just coz you can.

It has, only a couple of times though, got to the stage where they have chucked it out. Gotta be worth the price of a stamp!

[Quasievil]

I suppose you guys who are going to put your rego on hold but still ride will be decllining any ACC assistance should the worst happen?



Yes as soon as they take the ACC funding component from the petrol, employer/ employee levies etc etc etc, then more than happy to make no claims, until then happy to fuck them up with as much as I can.

[peasea]

Ours are going on 'hold' during the winter months. So few cops around here I doubt either of us will get nailed during the darker times. Besides, if you're not 'legal' it pays to ride calmly so as to not attract attention to yourself. I'm already at work before sunup during winter and if I get plucked on the way home I think it'll be a bit of bad luck. I'm willing to chance it though; fuck ACC, Nick Smith and their lying ilk.

[Oakie]

So you're basically rolling over despite all the evidence that points to the hikes in ACC being uneccessary? Ever heard of the poem "First they came..."?

Yes I am. I can see the writing on the wall ... and I'm not going bang my head on it any more. Judging by the huge reduction in posts in the ACC forum I'm not the only one who has made that decision. Doesn't mean I accept the ACCs mathematics ... just that I need to put my energy into things with more likelihood of a return.

[Oakie]

Yes as soon as they take the ACC funding component from the petrol, employer/ employee levies etc etc etc, then more than happy to make no claims, until then happy to fuck them up with as much as I can.
Point taken. Claim away!

[oldrider]

I suppose it's common knowledge to most but what date does this increase in ACC levies on our bikes take place exactly?

I'm stuffed if I can remember! :confused:

[kwaka_crasher]

Yes I am. I can see the writing on the wall ... and I'm not going bang my head on it any more. Judging by the huge reduction in posts in the ACC forum I'm not the only one who has made that decision. Doesn't mean I accept the ACCs mathematics ... just that I need to put my energy into things with more likelihood of a return.

Yeah, that great NZer apathy the government relies on so heavily is really coming into it's own. Have you thought of becoming a Jew and shuffling along to the gas chamber - the writing is on the wall after all!


I suppose it's common knowledge to most but what date does this increase in ACC levies on our bikes take place exactly?

I'm stuffed if I can remember! :confused:

1 July usually. I expect this year will be no exception.

[Oakie]

Yeah, that great NZer apathy the government relies on so heavily is really coming into it's own. Have you thought of becoming a Jew and shuffling along to the gas chamber - the writing is on the wall after all!
Apathy? Pragmatic? Depends on your point of view.
And why shuffle off when I'll have a fully registered bike to ride to the chamber? Actually dude, that was not a very appropriate comment to make today as it's Holocaust Remembrance Day. Shalom to all my Hebrew friends.

[oldrider]

Yeah, that great NZer apathy the government relies on so heavily is really coming into it's own. Have you thought of becoming a Jew and shuffling along to the gas chamber - the writing is on the wall after all!



1 July usually. I expect this year will be no exception.

Hmmm, at that rate if I register next time for 3 months then for 15 months, "before July", I should be able to maximise the time before it actually effects me!

Meanwhile the footsoldiers may have won the war! (That thought really digs deep into my conscience)

When you think about it like that, it hammer's home the need to be "part of the action", rather than just a "passive bystander"!

I guess we can mop up the political fallout "after" the event, irrespective of "current political persuasion's"!

Surely it couldn't be any more confused than it is right now!

Regardless of who you vote for, they just mix up another fruit salad of worthless politicians to form a government and Tax the shit out of us and feather their own bloody nests at our expense!

AA, ACC, Smith, Key, the National coalition and the previous Labour coalitions, have all tinkered with and lied through their teeth about ACC and it's funding, including the levy charges to us taxpayers! :shit:

Maybe the peasants are revolting and with "just cause" it would seem! :shifty:

[ukusa]

Ours are going on 'hold' during the winter months. So few cops around here I doubt either of us will get nailed during the darker times. Besides, if you're not 'legal' it pays to ride calmly so as to not attract attention to yourself. I'm already at work before sunup during winter and if I get plucked on the way home I think it'll be a bit of bad luck. I'm willing to chance it though; fuck ACC, Nick Smith and their lying ilk.

I haven't been pulled up in over 5 years, so I think the odds are on my side. I'll be taking the risk. Stick it to them.

[kwaka_crasher]

Hmmm, at that rate if I register next time for 3 months then for 15 months, "before July", I should be able to maximise the time before it actually effects me!

I'm expecting you'll find it'll start affecting you as soon as you pay for a vehicle license that covers any period after 1st July 2010...


I think the date of the new fees is 1st July. But I expect you'll be charged pro-rata if you relicense for a period that ends after 1 July so there'd be no point in getting a 12 month license on 30 June for example because you'd just get 1 day at the old rate and the balance at the new rate. Don't hold me to that though - they may not have implemented it as legislated!

See Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 (http://tinyurl.com/yg97ehy).

[oldrider]

I'm expecting you'll find it'll start affecting you as soon as you pay for a vehicle license that covers any period after 1st July 2010...

:lol: Sheeesh, I "struggle" with that one, always have, must have been badly potty trained! :shifty:

[kwaka_crasher]

:lol: Sheeesh, I "struggle" with that one, always have, must have been badly potty trained! :shifty:

Someone called me a pedantic git, so I'm going to do my best to live up to that! :killingme

[Pixie]

I think you'll find you'll be charged pro-rata



Like a hooker in a native tree?
Wha?


I will no longer make "automatic payments",I will wait till I am served with "request for payment" in person.

[mikeey01]

Can one only pay the registration fee and opt out of paying the acc levy?
In other words send a cheque for the registration levy only, of course it will all get thrown back in your face but when one is pulled over one can produce said letter saying you have tryed to register your bike but they simple won't accept it.
Is this at all possible?

Any rego payable on a horse and cart? :)

[DingoZ]

Paying the $ for rego. Does not mean I agree with the principal of the hikes. But I have more important things to worry about than riding to and from work everyday, wondering if I'll get stopped and get a ticket, and have to fork out more hard earned dollars which could be spent on rego'ing it in the first place.

[kwaka_crasher]

Can one only pay the registration fee and opt out of paying the acc levy?

No. You have to pay the full license fee including levies. It'd give you a link but the legislation website is down.

[Madmax]

stop "n" go

[Tunahunter]

Just got my renewal notice and the breakdown is:

Licence Fee 24.50
ACC Levy 252.69
Other levies 1.64
Admin 6.72
GST 35.69

Total 321.24

I'm new to bike ownership and didn't take much notice at the first rego 'cos I was so bloody excited about getting a bike - so I'm not sure if that is the same as last year or not

[kwaka_crasher]

Has anyone had a recent motorcycle re-licensing notice and can they give us the details regarding cost and the period covered? I'm still trying to confirm if it's actuially done pro-rata.

[Blackshear]

TL;DR but as above.

Also, what exact day does this fall under?
A squid on minimum wages flatting/eating/gassing/maintaining etc doesn't get the chance to save $400 down the road very often.

'Preshey-ated.

[AllanB]

Got one in the mail this week. Due next month.

I can register the bike for 12 months at the current rate. You will be able to do this right up to the date of the change over to the new ACC rates.

The same thing happened for road user charges a couple of years ago - in the week leading up to the change they processed several million dollars worth of charges! My boss paid road user charges on 6 vehicles for 100,000 kms each the day before it increased!

[Hailwood]

Just a thought on this whole "lets clog the courts up with us defending a non-defendable offence because it will clog up the resources of the courts".....just a thought..lets say that everyone does this and clogs up the courts by demanding a court date for an offence that has no defence...so what happens to other more serious court matters that cant be heard or dealt with because the courts are full of people taking this action...lets take this further..the courts (district at a low level) get clogged up and therefore have no available dates for say a domestic violence case....lack of court date means the defendant walks...goes home and bashes his/her partner and kid again but this time kills them...

I know this is taking a very stretched and emotive view but FFS people have a little bigger picture thinking....yes the ACC levy increases are a crock and yes they dont seem to be fair, however is this the best way of dealing with it? Or is it going to make motorcyclists appear to the bad guys here? The riding while rego on hold is a personal choice and, with all choices come consequences..infringement if caught. I do hope we dont read the whinings of those who choose to do this and get caught and ticketed.

Just my 2c worth anyway

[Coldrider]

The real fine for having no current rego is up to a maximum of $1,000 that a judge can impose on a motorist.
The instant fine is $200, heavily discounted as the process is simplfied for admitting guilt and paying the fine without a court appearance. So everyone can imagine the outcome of clogging up the court system in the long term.

[Muppet]

The real fine for having no current rego is up to a maximum of $1,000 that a judge can impose on a motorist.
The instant fine is $200, heavily discounted as the process is simplfied for admitting guilt and paying the fine without a court appearance. So everyone can imagine the outcome of clogging up the court system in the long term.

Class action would only clog up one court since if you defended it, the matter would be heard in front of two JP's who are volunteers (yes really). This because the matter in 'non-imprisonable'. The other matters referred to regarding assaults etc are heard in front of a Judge. I don't think defending en mass would work as you have to show a good reason for the defence to the infringemnent bureau. I've seen letters from the bureau to a 'defendant' if you like, where they have said to them 'you application for a hearing is denied'. This doesn't happen often but I have seen it. They might deny any hearing if they sussed out the reason was to clog up the courts. They make the rules I'm afraid, we're buggered:blink: no matter which way we turn.

[Pixie]

Just a thought on this whole "lets clog the courts up with us defending a non-defendable offence because it will clog up the resources of the courts".....just a thought..lets say that everyone does this and clogs up the courts by demanding a court date for an offence that has no defence...so what happens to other more serious court matters that cant be heard or dealt with because the courts are full of people taking this action...lets take this further..the courts (district at a low level) get clogged up and therefore have no available dates for say a domestic violence case....lack of court date means the defendant walks...goes home and bashes his/her partner and kid again but this time kills them...

I know this is taking a very stretched and emotive view but FFS people have a little bigger picture thinking....yes the ACC levy increases are a crock and yes they dont seem to be fair, however is this the best way of dealing with it? Or is it going to make motorcyclists appear to the bad guys here? The riding while rego on hold is a personal choice and, with all choices come consequences..infringement if caught. I do hope we dont read the whinings of those who choose to do this and get caught and ticketed.

Just my 2c worth anyway

Fuck'em (the authorities) they made their beds let them sleep in them

[kwaka_crasher]

Just a thought on this whole "lets clog the courts up with us defending a non-defendable offence because it will clog up the resources of the courts".....just a thought..lets say that everyone does this and clogs up the courts by demanding a court date for an offence that has no defence...so what happens to other more serious court matters that cant be heard or dealt with because the courts are full of people taking this action...lets take this further..the courts (district at a low level) get clogged up and therefore have no available dates for say a domestic violence case....lack of court date means the defendant walks...goes home and bashes his/her partner and kid again but this time kills them...

Minor traffic offences are dealt with by JPs not Judges who deal with more serious offences. So it will have little impact on other streams of 'justice'.

[SMOKEU]

Has anyone had a recent motorcycle re-licensing notice and can they give us the details regarding cost and the period covered? I'm still trying to confirm if it's actuially done pro-rata.

I just paid $86 for 3 months licencing today.

[Flip]

Well I have just brought a vintage BMW. $100 pa rego and it's not continuous. Will keep the HD fully rego'd as well hell I think I would go slightly mad without the availability of at least one bike to go for a ride on.

[kwaka_crasher]

I just paid $86 for 3 months licencing today.

Because it's more than 3 months until 1 July that's the current rate anyway.


Well I have just brought a vintage BMW.

BOUGHT.

[SMOKEU]

Because it's more than 3 months until 1 July that's the current rate anyway.



So is the 1st of July the date when the licence fees are increasing?

[Hailwood]

Minor traffic offences are dealt with by JPs not Judges who deal with more serious offences. So it will have little impact on other streams of 'justice'.

Fair enough so eloquently put here and yet you choose to use other words in private messages..moron, retard..oh well if you must resort to infantile name calling to get your point across then so be it.......

[kwaka_crasher]

So is the 1st of July the date when the licence fees are increasing?

That's usually the case.


Fair enough so eloquently put here and yet you choose to use other words in private messages..moron, retard..oh well if you must resort to infantile name calling to get your point across then so be it.......

Blah blah. :tugger:

[SMOKEU]

That's usually the case.



Blah blah. :tugger:

Thieving niggas that work for the government.