Highway 75 ChCh - Speed trap - Thanks and get f***ked

[Molly]

Riding towards Christchurch this morning on the 75 (?). Numerous bikes in groups and individually coming towards me, presumably, on their way to Akaroa. Of them all just ONE biker took the trouble to warn me about the speed trap I was about to hit just before Tai Tapu.

So, a big thanks to that rider (Ducati I think) and a huge GET F***ED to the rest of them.

[MaxB]

Did ya get pinged?

[McWild]

Cheers for the heads up anyway, heading out that way soon.

[shrub]

I find that rather sad. I find I get warned about most speed traps, and I can't believe bikers didn't warn you.

One of the reasons I never ride to Akaroa in the weekend - I went on Thursday morning and had a lovely, fast (by my standards) trip.

[Oakie]

Is there a reason they would decide not to warn you ... ?

[sil3nt]

Is there a reason why they should warn you?

[Genie]

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.

[red mermaid]

Oh, must have missed that bit of new law....you are required to notify others that a police officer is at work?!

[Kickaha]

Is there a reason they would decide not to warn you ... ?

Maybe he didn't wave

[koba]

Of them all just ONE biker took the trouble to warn me about the speed trap I was about to hit just before Tai Tapu.


Boo fucken hoo, whoopdie doo.

[Tone165]

Clearly they are assholes...

[Tone165]

Is there a reason why they should warn you?

Thats what bikers do...look out for each other ..but clearly not so much these days.

Had a similar experience myself in the Waikato...guy on a Goldwing returned my wave (which to me says "its all good ahead" but 200m further down was Plod and his ray gun.

I couldn't beleive it.

LAMx2 Bikers should wear a flashing lite...so you can tell them apart from "real" humans.

[Tone165]

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.

Yes thats right...and when it happens to you.......I hope you remember your sanctimonius attitude....

[McWild]

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.

Thanks mum!

[Molly]

Is there a reason why they should warn you?

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.

Oh, must have missed that bit of new law....you are required to notify others that a police officer is at work?!

Boo fucken hoo, whoopdie doo.

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

[JellyBellyKelly]

there are definately nice bikers, and some arrogant arses!!!
was coming home from a rally this morning, and some of the stupid f**kers overtaking me (on a 225 so wasn't too hard) on blind corners - some of them weren't mucking around either... gotta wonder how some of them are still alive. i certainly don't want to watch a head on crash happen right in front of me - about just as much as i'd want to be in one

[Oakie]

OK. Well, you're all obviously from a generation that couldn't give two f***s for anybody but yourselves.
Same could be said about people who exceed the posted speed limit. How fast were you going anyway? Having said that though, yeah,I probably would have warned you unless you were doing some real dumb stuff.

[Mikkel]

there are definately nice bikers, and some arrogant arses!!!
was coming home from a rally this morning, and some of the stupid f**kers overtaking me (on a 225 so wasn't too hard) on blind corners - some of them weren't mucking around either... gotta wonder how some of them are still alive. i certainly don't want to watch a head on crash happen right in front of me - about just as much as i'd want to be in one

...coming home from a rally in the morning - there will be plenty of folks with a blood alcohol level well above the legal limits too.


Same could be said about people who exceed the posted speed limit. How fast were you going anyway? Having said that though, yeah,I probably would have warned you unless you were doing some real dumb stuff.

Plenty of traffic on the Akaroa highway in the weekend. Plenty of people doing silly stuff too. Ergo, plenty of police along the Akaroa highway - it can't be a surprise really. They move around too. For how many kms after passing a speedo cop should you be signalling oncoming traffic anyway?

[gatch]

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

Lol !

"Nobody aided me in my law breaking".

The fuckin pricks !

[PrincessBandit]

I used to do the ole "flash the lights" to warn other road users about traffic cops up ahead - when I was young (all those years ago) and I thought it was cool to do. Now I'm just a grumpy old tart who doesn't do it any more. When I do exceed the speed limit I don't call the waaaaaambulance when I get ticketed, nor would I pack a sad at other motorists for failing to warn me.

[Ixion]

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

[FlangMasterJ]

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves.

If you're speeding you're obviously not giving two f&#cks about the other vehicles on the road.

[Berries]

I don't flash cars. If I am in the work truck I'll flash sports bikes just in case they are going for it but in the end, if you can't spot the cop you aren't going to spot any multitude of other things that might jump out and get you. Back in the UK we had a different hand signal to warn of Police cars, imitating the old style flashing light, but not sure if it is recognised here or whether I'd just look like a dick with a disco fetish.

Anyroad, was out with a cop once and someone flashed him. He put a question to me. What if the person who gets flashed is a serial speedster, banned before, is sitting on 90 points, gets away with this one because you flashed him and he slowed down, and then somewhere down the line he loses it while speeding and takes someone out. Would you be happy that by flashing him you let him get away from being nicked this time and pretty much let him go on to kill/maim someone ? Obviously a staunch traffic cop but it does make you think.

On my bike I don't flash anyone. Lights are hardwired on so it feels pointless.

EDIT - A Police "trap" is not a hazard. It is not a diesel spill, or gravel on the road, or a flock of sheep, or something that may make you crash. it is a only a hazard if you are exceeding the speed limit, which is obviously very naughty and none of us do it.

[Ixion]

EDIT - A Police "trap" is not a hazard. It is not a diesel spill, or gravel on the road, or a flock of sheep, or something that may make you crash. it is a only a hazard if you are exceeding the speed limit, which is obviously very naughty and none of us do it.


Ah but a trap would be very illegal. Called entrapment and sufficient to strike out a prosecution. And as we are assured that our police have no quotas and are unitetested on revenue, we may conclude that where we see a police presence it must be because there is some hazard. And since the police ( they assure us ) are only interested in safety, they must on logic support anything that cautions riders to be careful.

I am sure that you would not wish to argue that the police are only interested in handing out tickets.

I would deny the name of biker to any rider who wilfully thus neglected his duty to his fellow riders. Those are the weekend warriors, whose interest in motorcycling is restricted to apearance and thrills. Beneath contempt.

[helenoftroy]

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.


Thanks mum!

Ditto!!

WTF!!

[Gareth123]

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

Bloody hell, people get upset cos they don't get waved at. I'd put money on it that if someone didn't get waved at, instead of thinking "Shit I better slow down, something ahead!" They'll be thinking "That bastard didn't wave at me! What a cunt!"

Unless we come up with a set of specific waves for certain upcoming conditions I think we should all take responsibility for our own riding.

If anyone sees a red GL145 flying around Christchurch and Rangiora, feel free not to warn me of upcoming hazards such as speed traps. I'll take the ticket and I promise not to moan about it. If there's other hazards about I'll deal with those too by keeping my eyes open and watching the road ahead of me.

[shafty]

The worlds a bit rooted when you don't take the time to pre warn a fellow Biker of a speed trap ahead - it might just be a matter of 5 km's to be scrubbed off to save him hassle - for example on a deserted country road. I don't condone crazy speeds on the road such as displayed on youtube - but c'mon Guys and Girls where's the commaraderie we share at Rally's?

[koba]

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

No, I kind of think the expectation you seem to have that everyone else is there to warn you of impending speed traps is an example of really quite selfish behaviour.

If you are speeding YOU are the one breaking the law, while I'm not one to judge (and I'm not in a position to do so!) I would like to point out that such acts can be construed as not giving two fucks about other road users.

What if next time it isn't a speed trap but is a cow on a blind bend?

So all of a sudden a person is not decent for failing in their duties as your personal police warning?

[awayatc]

a cow doesn't lie in ambush to jump you on purpose..........
The brainwashing has apparently worked well on some "bikers"on this forum......speeding is naughty and bad and deserves a fine...
Bet you were the telling the teacher type.....
Next time I stop to help broken down biker or cager, I will ask about speeding/warning attitudes first , since
it appears that some of you on here are so full of yourselves that you don't need help....
or are way beyond help..... sad

[Str8 Jacket]

WTF happened to personal responsibility?

That's right. It's always someone elses fault, duh!

[awayatc]

Nothing wrong with personal responsibility.....
nothing at all,
Just that some of us are large enough to be able and willing to look after some off our fellow bikers/roadusers/human beings as well.........

[Genie]

Yes thats right...and when it happens to you.......I hope you remember your sanctimonius attitude....

ahem....steady on Mr Judgemental. I always flash my lights to on coming cars if there's a cop lurking ahead. If by chance I happen to speed (quite likely) and I get pinged then it's my own bloody fault and I'll not be jumping up and down because no-body warned me. It's the risk I take.

[AD345]

Well this thread is doing wonders for my misanthropy

[oldrider]

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

True!

Those codes were established when there were only a few of us about and the roads were as bad as the bikes we rode!

As conditions and equipment improve we have to suffer the attitudes of the less dedicated, such is the price of "progress"!

[Goblin]

Well this thread is doing wonders for my misanthropyBugga ya! Have to drag the dictionary out...

[PrincessBandit]

So waving isn't all about being friendly then...? Here was me thinking that each time I'm waved at it was someone saying "greetings fellow rider", now I'll be looking for the hazard they've just warned me about!

[maxf]

Ah but a trap would be very illegal. Called entrapment and sufficient to strike out a prosecution. And as we are assured that our police have no quotas and are unitetested on revenue, we may conclude that where we see a police presence it must be because there is some hazard.

Yes, there is a hazard - the arraogant basterd of the oncoming bike that thinks the road is their reserved racetrack?

And as far as entrapment goes - there's no guarantee that the "speed 'trap'" will be visible anyway... try buying a radar detector and seeing where they hide; try to outfox a laser gun when the cop has discretion to NOT ping vehicles they consider to be not at risk, but sample those they do.

Best suggestion - if he wants to "play" tag with PC Plod in the world of illegal speeds, get a radar detector - better still, go to more track days?


I would deny the name of biker to any rider who wilfully thus neglected his duty to his fellow riders. Those are the weekend warriors, whose interest in motorcycling is restricted to appearance and thrills. Beneath contempt.

Les, this really saddens me. I ride daily, do about 200kms a week on average... I will "tip my hat" to other road users - always have - but I won't warn of police stop points etc unless I consider them to be either road hazard in themselves (bad positioning) or creating one (backlog). They are there to protect me as well as everyone else, and you want their help in crashes/emergencies as well - you take the good with the bad. That you don't consider me "staunch" enough for NOT condoning the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him" really makes me wonder what you want for BRONZ? Certainly makes me wonder why I should bother joining, and how anti-bike elements are going to use this attitude against all bikers if BRONZ is ever seen as the national "mouthpiece"?

I'm sorry - been getting back further into touring & group rides over the last 6 months, and IMHO a lot of riders need a lot LESS encouragement to their "exhuberant" riding style (wheelies, passing on blind corners, speeding, dangerous overtaking - all with zero tolerance for error, let alone bad roads) not any justification of righteous indignation that they're being persecuted by being forced to follow the laws of the land...

Advice to the original poster - get a radar detector, and start saving for the fines anyway - the laser gun will likely still get you - then you can do your own thing and not have to care if other people condone your speeds. Might also pay to get a GPS with an overspeed warning, so you can set it to warn you **just below** the overspeed that'll give you enough demerits to put you unlicenced, given any previous "problems"... that way you'll still have one last chance (unless you want to ride unlicenced & uninsured and sod everyone else?)

Good riding, all.

[Grubber]

a cow doesn't lie in ambush to jump you on purpose..........
The brainwashing has apparently worked well on some "bikers"on this forum......speeding is naughty and bad and deserves a fine...
Bet you were the telling the teacher type.....
Next time I stop to help broken down biker or cager, I will ask about speeding/warning attitudes first , since
it appears that some of you on here are so full of yourselves that you don't need help....
or are way beyond help..... sad
Telling the teacher type??? Surely they would be the ones doing the U turn and letting cop know fast biker on his way. All grownups here now i presume, so therefore the quote below stands.


WTF happened to personal responsibility?

That's right. It's always someone elses fault, duh!

Well done young man!!!! Take a prize.

[Laxi]

Lol !

"Nobody aided me in my law breaking".

The fuckin pricks !
bling sent! though ya forgot the bit about go f**k yourselfs :rofl:


OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves

or the generation that believes if your consisiously breaking the law then your ready to accept responsibility for it.
NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence, so you're actualy bitching about people not breaking a law to aid you in breaking a law:blink:

[meteor]

Thats what bikers do...look out for each other ..Had a similar experience myself in the Waikato...guy on a Goldwing returned my wave... but 200m further down was Plod and his ray gun.

Righto... mental note... don't trust anyone who waves!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am sure that you would not wish to argue that the police are only interested in handing out tickets.



Slightly OT, but my business partner got a ticket last week. Po po was on Harper Avenue, and hidden behind a parked car. 62 in a 50. If a genteel, middle aged, very respectable and responsible gentleman can be heard to make statements such as "just bloody revenue collection" and "what road safety imperative was served here?" then I suggest that their efforts could be better spent elsewhere. But of course the police have no quotas (so the timing at just prior to the end of the week/month) meant nothing, and are only interested in safety, hence ticketing a vehicle driven by someone who could obviously pay, and would be unlikely to unleash any fury on the pleecemin concerned. Unlike, say, getting an unregistered, unwarranted piece of crap riding on its springs and inhabited by gang members off the road in Linwood.

[HenryDorsetCase]

NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence,

Please cite some authority for this proposition.

[Okey Dokey]

It isn't always obvious what other people on bikes are signalling. Waving/abusing/warning/whatever.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What we have here is a fundamental disagreement. There is no magic in speed. there just isnt. People get fixated on it because its so easily measurable and therefore easy to label. Oooooh 99 is safe but 101 is not.

What a load of crap. If I want to pootle alon g at 90, I will, if I want to go a bit quicker, I do that too. But I make my own decision about what I want to do, in the circumstances as I see them. Far out, thats what being a motorbike rider is about innit? Wild eyed loner on the last bike out of nowhere city, freedom etc? With freedom comes responsibility. Im happy to take responsibility for what I do. And did. Last time I got ticketed (122 in a 100) I stumped up didnt argue and even had a nice chat with the po po because he reminded me that I had failed to identify a road hazard. The road hazard being, obviously, the po po with a radar gun.

Get a life you bunch of sanctimonious pricks!

[Oakie]

Please cite some authority for this proposition.

It used to carry a charge something along the lines of 'behaviour likely to cause a distraction to other motorists'. Never heard of anyone being charged with it though.

[Oakie]

As an aside, my boss was telling me this morning that they went for a drive to Akaroa on Sunday. Saw a biker coming towards them a few hundred metres away and then noticed the 4WD behind them pull out to pass which eventually forced the biker to move to the side of the road to accommodate the end of the 4WDers passing manouevre. At that very moment Mr Plod leaps from his place of concealment up the road and waves down the 4WDer with a very stern look on his face. Just so you know that the cops aren't necessarily against us.

[mashman]

It used to carry a charge something along the lines of 'behaviour likely to cause a distraction to other motorists'. Never heard of anyone being charged with it though.

I guess: aiding and abetting

[Str8 Jacket]

Well done young man!!!! Take a prize.

Thanks lady.....

[Molly]

What this comes down to is: Should bikers warn each other of oncoming speed traps? Nothing else.

OK, it's a different story when it's a booze bus (pissed drivers deserve all they get) or the speed trap is outside a school (where it's a safety matter and anybody speeding is a prick) compared to a stretch of country road where it's easy pickings and more about revenue gathering than safety. Also, as it happens I wasn't pissing along and risking other road users' lives at some breakneck speed, but, that said, there isn't one of us that hasn't slipped over the limit when out enjoying a quiet country road. In that situation you'd appreciate a warning from another road user. In the mean time quit your sanctimonious bullshit and start to consider looking out for each other.

Oh, and finally, if I'd have been pinged I'd have been pissed off but would've paid the bill and accepted it.

[Str8 Jacket]

So are we going to instigate a 'special signal' to show others that you are not pissed, just speeding so its OK to warn me about something I should be looking out for myself?
At the end of the day you got caught, we all do at some stage and at some stage you have to take responsibility for yourself....

[The Everlasting]

That sucks,I would always give a warning if there's cops ahead!!

..and i would expect the same in return,if I'm in the cage I'll flash my lights.

[Molly]

So are we going to instigate a 'special signal' to show others that you are not pissed, just speeding so its OK to warn me about something I should be looking out for myself?
At the end of the day you got caught, we all do at some stage and at some stage you have to take responsibility for yourself....

I do take responsibility for myself. That doesn't detract from the argument that there are times when it's appropriate to look out for and warn each other. What part of that is so hard to understand? Are you saying you would NEVER look out for another biker and help them out in such a way: that there are NEVER times when that's appropriate? Yes or no?

[Str8 Jacket]

I do take responsibility for myself.

No you don't. If you did then this thread would never had eventuated...

[Ixion]

Yes, there is a hazard - the arraogant basterd of the oncoming bike that thinks the road is their reserved racetrack?



What abou the original post, or any other, implies any sort of race track behaviour? Any why do you catorgorise every other rider as an "arrogant bastard" ?



And as far as entrapment goes - there's no guarantee that the "speed 'trap'" will be visible anyway... try buying a radar detector and seeing where they hide; try to outfox a laser gun when the cop has discretion to NOT ping vehicles they consider to be not at risk, but sample those they do.

Best suggestion - if he wants to "play" tag with PC Plod in the world of illegal speeds, get a radar detector - better still, go to more track days?



You appear confused. Why do you regard speedinf as acceptable if the rider has a radar detector, but not other wise ?





Les, this really saddens me. I ride daily, do about 200kms a week on average... I will "tip my hat" to other road users - always have - but I won't warn of police stop points etc unless I consider them to be either road hazard in themselves (bad positioning) or creating one (backlog). They are there to protect me as well as everyone else, and you want their help in crashes/emergencies as well - you take the good with the bad. That you don't consider me "staunch" enough for NOT condoning the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him" really makes me wonder what you want for BRONZ? Certainly makes me wonder why I should bother joining, and how anti-bike elements are going to use this attitude against all bikers if BRONZ is ever seen as the national "mouthpiece"?



Again, you are putting your own extreme and unjustofoed construction on matters. What in this thread has any relation to the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him". This is a straw man that you have created out of thin air on no grounds whatsoever. You appear to regard any other rider as an enemy . Why are you so hostile to other riders?

I rather suspect that you may be paret of the reaosn why an organisation such as BRONZ is necessary.




I'm sorry - been getting back further into touring & group rides over the last 6 months, and IMHO a lot of riders need a lot LESS encouragement to their "exhuberant" riding style (wheelies, passing on blind corners, speeding, dangerous overtaking - all with zero tolerance for error, let alone bad roads) not any justification of righteous indignation that they're being persecuted by being forced to follow the laws of the land...

Advice to the original poster - get a radar detector, and start saving for the fines anyway - the laser gun will likely still get you - then you can do your own thing and not have to care if other people condone your speeds. Might also pay to get a GPS with an overspeed warning, so you can set it to warn you **just below** the overspeed that'll give you enough demerits to put you unlicenced, given any previous "problems"... that way you'll still have one last chance (unless you want to ride unlicenced & uninsured and sod everyone else?)

Good riding, all.

Again - why do you regard speeding if protected by a radar detectror as acceptable, but not otherwise.

ANd why, if you never speed, do you need such a powerful motorcycle?

[Ixion]

..
NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence, so you're actualy bitching about people not breaking a law to aid you in breaking a law:blink:

I know of no such law. Please cite your authority for a claim which you appear to have made up from thin air.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

I'm with you 100% there!

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you're speeding you're obviously not giving two f&#cks about the other vehicles on the road.

You serious?

[Ixion]

True!

Those codes were established when there were only a few of us about and the roads were as bad as the bikes we rode!

As conditions and equipment improve we have to suffer the attitudes of the less dedicated, such is the price of "progress"!

There are precious few of the old school left, alas. Once, in the late 1990s, the number of bikes on the road was declining so fast that I feared that before long I would be left alone, the last solitary biker. I was relieved when number started building up again some years ago. But now, I am not so sure.

"Bikers" who pass by another biker , broken down at the road side. "Bikers" who will not warn others of hazards ahead. "Bikers" who sneer at others , because they are not wearing the latest and most trendy 'gear'. No bikers they. Perhaps it would have been better if that downward trend had continued, at least the last bikers would have been bikers not posers.

[Ixion]

No, I kind of think the expectation you seem to have that everyone else is there to warn you of impending speed traps is an example of really quite selfish behaviour.

If you are speeding YOU are the one breaking the law, while I'm not one to judge (and I'm not in a position to do so!) I would like to point out that such acts can be construed as not giving two fucks about other road users.

What if next time it isn't a speed trap but is a cow on a blind bend?

So all of a sudden a person is not decent for failing in their duties as your personal police warning?

So then , you would likewise not attempt to warn the oncoming rider of the hazard (the dead cow)? And , likewise, sneer when the rider hits the cow?

[Ixion]

Bloody hell, people get upset cos they don't get waved at. I'd put money on it that if someone didn't get waved at, instead of thinking "Shit I better slow down, something ahead!" They'll be thinking "That bastard didn't wave at me! What a cunt!"

Unless we come up with a set of specific waves for certain upcoming conditions I think we should all take responsibility for our own riding.

If anyone sees a red GL145 flying around Christchurch and Rangiora, feel free not to warn me of upcoming hazards such as speed traps. I'll take the ticket and I promise not to moan about it. If there's other hazards about I'll deal with those too by keeping my eyes open and watching the road ahead of me.

The convention of signals to warn of hazards (or their absence) is well established and has been documenteted here more than once.

[Crasherfromwayback]

All of the full of themselves wankers on this site dribbling on about how Molly shouldn't be speeding etc are tossbags. Full of shit tossbags at that. And they missed the point. Not what I'd ever call 'bikers'.

[Str8 Jacket]

All of the full of themselves wankers on this site dribbling on about how Molly shouldn't be speeding etc are tossbags. Full of shit tossbags at that. And they missed the point. Not what I'd ever call 'bikers'.

Aw settle mate. I always warn other bikers about cops and speed cameras etc. All I am saying is that you cannot blame other people for not warning you that there is a cop ahead. I speed often and have often not been warned about a cop up ahead. There is no way in hell I blame any other biker for not warning me about them when I get a ticket. I chose to speed I will 'man up' and take the ticket!!
What I get fucked off about is this attitude of "waaaaaaaaaaah"! Sometimes you just need to take personal responsibility.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aw settle mate. I always warn other bikers about cops and speed cameras etc. All I am saying is that you cannot blame other people for not warning you that there is a cop ahead. I speed often and have often not been warned about a cop up ahead. There is no way in hell I blame any other biker for not warning me about them when I get a ticket. I chose to speed I will 'man up' and take the ticket!!
What I get fucked off about is this attitude of "waaaaaaaaaaah"! Sometimes you just need to take personal responsibility.

Good for you Helen...but I still think you (and many others) missed the point. A biker should look out for a fellow biker in any way they can. If Molly is dawdling along at 110 kph and gets a speeding ticket...sure it's Molly's fault. But so what? What possible harm was Molly doing to other road users...and why wouldn't we as fellow bikers want to save Molly the $90.00 (or whatever it would be) ticket?, when it's only blatant revenue gathering when the fuckers should be catching criminals?

[The Everlasting]

Good for you Helen...but I still think you (and many others) missed the point. A biker should look out for a fellow biker in any way they can. If Molly is dawdling along at 110 kph and gets a speeding ticket...sure it's Molly's fault. But so what? What possible harm was Molly doing to other road users...and why wouldn't we as fellow bikers want to save Molly the $90.00 (or whatever it would be) ticket?, when it's only blatant revenue gathering when the fuckers should be catching criminals?

Could not have said it better myself,sometimes you can actually be going around 110-115 for a while without realising it,and a warning from a fellow biker will make you slow down,and avoid that speeding ticket!!

[Str8 Jacket]

Good for you Helen...but I still think you (and many others) missed the point. A biker should look out for a fellow biker in any way they can. If Molly is dawdling along at 110 kph and gets a speeding ticket...sure it's Molly's fault. But so what? What possible harm was Molly doing to other road users...and why wouldn't we as fellow bikers want to save Molly the $90.00 (or whatever it would be) ticket?, when it's only blatant revenue gathering when the fuckers should be catching criminals?

Yes but when it happens to me I dont blame the many motorcyclists that passed me going the other way.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

When I do exceed the speed limit I don't call the waaaaaambulance when I get ticketed, nor would I pack a sad at other motorists for failing to warn me.

Nicely said. If I had room, that'd be going in my sig. :laugh:

The main reason pigs give out speeding tickets is to improve safety on the roads.
Before speed cameras were allowed anywhere, they were only placed in areas were there had been fatalities. Hence, hazardous parts of the road.
If it came down to a vote, I'd vote no signaling other motorists of speed traps. I don't anyway. And I reckon you'll find over half of all motorists will agree.
The majority of us speed. Some more than others. If you get busted, wear it and soldier on.
If you want to have a we cry about it, by all means do so. But when you go on a public forum and "Wa wa wa you cunts" :crybaby: you just make yourself look like an immature piece of meecrob. And you didn't even get a ticket anyway!
Take a page from the book of Chopper. Any page. Every page in that book has the phrase.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

Could not have said it better myself,sometimes you can actually be going around 110-115 for a while without realising it,and a warning from a fellow biker will make you slow down,and avoid that speeding ticket!!

Poor Poor excuse.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

If Molly is dawdling along at 110 kph and gets a speeding ticket...sure it's Molly's fault. But so what? What possible harm was Molly doing to other road users...and why wouldn't we as fellow bikers want to save Molly the $90.00 (or whatever it would be) ticket?, when it's only blatant revenue gathering when the fuckers should be catching criminals?

You must be kidding? You think nobody else is in danger of a speeding motorcycle?
And without revenue, how do we pay the pigs to catch these alleged criminals?

[MIXONE]

I warn all motorists if I see a cop or a speed camera.I guess I'm just old skool like Ixion etc.

[Str8 Jacket]

I warn all motorists if I see a cop or a speed camera.I guess I'm just old skool like Ixion etc.

Yes, but who do you blame when *you* get a ticket?

[SPman]

Around these parts, everyone flashes their lights to warn of speed cameras/police presence, whatever - cars, bikes, 4WD's, and, that's as it should be!

I suppose those who disagree with this, call speed cameras, "safety cameras" !!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

You must be kidding? You think nobody else is in danger of a speeding motorcycle?
And without revenue, how do we pay the pigs to catch these alleged criminals?

The difference between 100 and 110 won't save your ass mate. I gather you've never in your life EVER exceeded the speed limit? If you have...fuck up and fuck off.

Taxes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes but when it happens to me I dont blame the many motorcyclists that passed me going the other way.

Maybe you don't blame them Helen..but I bet you wished they'd warned you and saved you the bucks!

[Str8 Jacket]

Maybe you don't blame them Helen..but I bet you wished they'd warned you and saved you the bucks!

Nah, I just wish I hadn't got caught. Much like everyone else I am guessing! ;)

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

The difference between 100 and 110 won't save your ass mate. I gather you've never in your life EVER exceeded the speed limit? If you have...fuck up and fuck off.

Taxes.

Nah I'd rather stay here and wind you up some more.
Take a chill pill fag!
The faster you go, the bigger the mess.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah I'd rather stay here and wind you up some more.
Take a chill pill fag!
The faster you go, the bigger the mess.

You're not winding me up Lover Boy...infact you're providing me with great entertainment. And I think the mess is more than likely all over your pillow.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

You're not winding me up Lover Boy...infact you're providing me with great entertainment. And I think the mess is more than likely all over your pillow.

Sweet! I hoped I was entertaining someone.
My mess doesn't end up on my pillow. I usually squirt it all over your mums face.

[PrincessBandit]

The difference between 100 and 110 won't save your ass mate. I gather you've never in your life EVER exceeded the speed limit? If you have...fuck up and fuck off.

Taxes.

Yeah, but unlike other taxes they're ones you can avoid being burdened with.

[GOONR]

Sweet! I hoped I was entertaining someone.
My mess doesn't end up on my pillow. I usually squirt it all over your mums face.

You still at school?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sweet! I hoped I was entertaining someone.
My mess doesn't end up on my pillow. I usually squirt it all over your mums face.

My mother doesn't 'do' pimple faced teen aged virgins. Talking of mothers...does yours know you're on her computer when you should be doing your homework?

[Molly]

No you don't. If you did then this thread would never had eventuated...

Answer the question. Tell us that you'd never help out another road user. Just answer the question. Yes or no?

[Str8 Jacket]

Answer the question. Tell us that you'd never help out another road user. Just answer the question. Yes or no?

I've helped out many road users you twat. In fact just the other night I had to do a mercy dash to help a broken down biker. I also was at the front of the Weds night ride warning people behind me when the cops were up ahead.

And as mentioned previously I always warn other riders when there are cops up ahead.

What I dont do is blame anyone else for my own mistakes.

[Molly]

Nicely said. If I had room, that'd be going in my sig. :laugh:

The main reason pigs give out speeding tickets is to improve safety on the roads.
Before speed cameras were allowed anywhere, they were only placed in areas were there had been fatalities. Hence, hazardous parts of the road.
If it came down to a vote, I'd vote no signaling other motorists of speed traps. I don't anyway. And I reckon you'll find over half of all motorists will agree.
The majority of us speed. Some more than others. If you get busted, wear it and soldier on.
If you want to have a we cry about it, by all means do so. But when you go on a public forum and "Wa wa wa you cunts" :crybaby: you just make yourself look like an immature piece of meecrob. And you didn't even get a ticket anyway!
Take a page from the book of Chopper. Any page. Every page in that book has the phrase.

You want a face-to-face to discuss this? PM me.

[MIXONE]

Yes, but who do you blame when *you* get a ticket?

It's always the nut on the end of the throttle!
I got pinged a couple of weeks back and tried blaming the strong tail wind.I guess the coppers have heard them all by now.

[Molly]

I've helped out many road users you twat. In fact just the other night I had to do a mercy dash to help a broken down biker. I also was at the front of the Weds night ride warning people behind me when the cops were up ahead.

And as mentioned previously I always warn other riders when there are cops up ahead.

What I dont do is blame anyone else for my own mistakes.

And neither did I. I don't understand why you're struggling with this. Sounds like you'd have warned the oncoming bikes (as I would) and that you'd therefore expect the same courtesy? Christ...

[Str8 Jacket]

It's always the nut on the end of the throttle!
I got pinged a couple of weeks back and tried blaming the strong tail wind.I guess the coppers have heard them all by now.

Aye! I have tried many excuses; I was busting for a pee, I was busting for a pooh, I was late for a gym class, my speedo was out, etc etc I have never tried blaming the fact that someone didn't warn me. I must try that next time!! :laugh:

[Str8 Jacket]

And neither did I. I don't understand why you're struggling with this.

I think you're the one struggling mate....

[Molly]

Aye! I have tried many excuses; I was busting for a pee, I was busting for a pooh, I was late for a gym class, my speedo was out, etc etc I have never tried blaming the fact that someone didn't warn me. I must try that next time!! :laugh:

AND NEITHER DID I! I give up. Some people are just hard of understanding.

[Str8 Jacket]

AND NEITHER DID I! I give up. Some people are just hard of understanding.

They really are aren't they.... *sigh*

[Jerms]

Ok, so I have been reading for 6 pages now...will someone please tell us all what the signal is (while I'm on my bike) for warning another rider that there's a cop ahead...!?

[GOONR]

Ok, so I have been reading for 6 pages now...will someone please tell us all what the signal is (while I'm on my bike) for warning another rider that there's a cop ahead...!?

It's simple, wave with both hands whilst sticking out your right foot. :blink:

[red mermaid]

Riding with your headlight on.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

My mother doesn't 'do' pimple faced teen aged virgins. Talking of mothers...does yours know you're on her computer when you should be doing your homework?

As far as you know she doesn't. ;)

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

Dam double post

[Molly]

Well, this has been fun. Lots of people posting replies to postings they haven't read properly. Doesn't take long for it to all turn to bullshit. Anyway, I've better things to do.

If anybody wants to catch up face-to-face to discuss the finer points, we've a regular ride organised through the forum at: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113562-What-about-a-regular-weeknight-ride-meet-(Ch-ch)

Otherwise, ride safe and try not to think with your mouth.

Molly.

[smoky]

Why do we have a speed limit?
Honestly, why; I mean the idea, the spirit in which the law was scribed and adopted, was so we can all travel around and get to where we're wanting to get to in an orderly fashion, with out endangering others.

the rules were made to enforce the rights of others and protect road users, pedestrians and so on.
However our pathetic nanny state has trained and incentivised neolithic power hungry pricks and given them some false sense of moral crusade to save us from our selves. It's all part of controlling and repressing the masses to conform under a blanket of socialistic moral ideology. The traffic police have lost sight of the spirit of the law, have forgotten they are servants of the public, and become a tool of the power mongers, they police and entrap way past the spirit of the law to a level that brings scorn, and a feeling of miss-aligned justice. Especially considering the number of outstanding crimes, un-investigated crimes, police corruption, and revenue gathering tactics. The wankers who practice such things as 'fishing' at the end of passing lanes, change of speed zones, free flowing motorway traffic ........ bla bla bla
They turn a blind eye to the real causes, to the real problems on the roads and continue to defend their pathtic blind policies.

The sooner some of you wankers on here wake up to the repression and delusion of safety you hold on to the better;
Speed kills? But think about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue. Riding today after all the rain here - I have noticed how many lifestyle blocks have poorly designed driveways where all the dirt and gravel is washed of their drive onto the road, a problem for traffic - do you think they give a toss about it?
Instead they put more and more double yellows/no overtaking lines on the roads, expand 70 & 80 K speed limits out further and further, and pester more motorists - ranting about speed kills.

[maxf]

What abou the original post, or any other, implies any sort of race track behaviour? Any why do you catorgorise every other rider as an "arrogant bastard" ?

Because (a) the original poster appeared arrogant IMHO in assuming that all other riders should follow their code and warn them. Also, keep to the point - I don't categorise "every other rider", just those that get angered by me not taking from them their personal responsibility in their riding.


You appear confused. Why do you regard speedinf as acceptable if the rider has a radar detector, but not other wise ?

I don't, and didn't say this... I pointed out that even if they want to speed, the detector will likely end up being useless anyway (the comment on the laser pulsing). Again, if Molly wants to ride at speeds at which he's worried about tickets, then my humble advice would be to have a detector and save the distraction of his anger at others for not signalling for concentrating better on the ride....



Again, you are putting your own extreme and unjustofoed construction on matters.
...
You appear to regard any other rider as an enemy . Why are you so hostile to other riders?

ROFLMAO here - that's got to be the pot calling the kettle black, mate.



I rather suspect that you may be paret of the reaosn why an organisation such as BRONZ is necessary.


Oh dear. Well, that's $20 saved... if my advocating riders use personal responsibility and respect for other road users (and the laws in effect) is why BRONZ needs to exist, then we obviously agree on something - that our views on "bikers" and "rights" are poles apart.



Again - why do you regard speeding if protected by a radar detectror as acceptable, but not otherwise.

Again - again - see comment above. Why do you keep reinforcing your own twist on anything anyone says that doesn't agree with your argument?


ANd why, if you never speed, do you need such a powerful motorcycle?

Again off topic? Isn't an Uberfarter V a bit too cryptic for you, too?
Cheapest bike I could afford with ABS; required around Chch with buses dripping diesel. Wouldn't consider 100hp for 350kgs too powerful. Also with active cruise, so the power doesn't go to my head. Permission to ride now, headmaster?

Do take care on the road, you never know who's doing their own thing out there - following their rights, y'know?

[smoky]

Again off topic? Isn't an Uberfarter V a bit too cryptic for you, too?
So very much not off topic - every time you puritanical dweebs post on here giving people shit about speeding; people in the real world know right away what kind of person you are - Hypocrites are pathetic


Cheapest bike I could afford with ABS; required around Chch with buses dripping diesel......

Really? ABS helps you does it? required around ChCh huh? That gives most of us some insight into your world
:rofl:

[Oakie]

...will someone please tell us all what the signal is (while I'm on my bike) for warning another rider that there's a cop ahead...!?

Hand above head and rotating (like flashing red/blues)

[Mikkel]

Good for you Helen...but I still think you (and many others) missed the point. A biker should look out for a fellow biker in any way they can. If Molly is dawdling along at 110 kph and gets a speeding ticket...sure it's Molly's fault. But so what? What possible harm was Molly doing to other road users...and why wouldn't we as fellow bikers want to save Molly the $90.00 (or whatever it would be) ticket?, when it's only blatant revenue gathering when the fuckers should be catching criminals?

The real issue, in regards to getting a ridiculous speeding ticket, has nothing to do with bikers (failing) to warn each other of speed traps. It has all to do with ridiculous policing and revenue gathering. There is a very real problem when people have to consider the police an actual road hazard - and the problem isn't always that people are wanting to go too fast!


Why do we have a speed limit?
Honestly, why; I mean the idea, the spirit in which the law was scribed and adopted, was so we can all travel around and get to where we're wanting to get to in an orderly fashion, with out endangering others.

the rules were made to enforce the rights of others and protect road users, pedestrians and so on.
However our pathetic nanny state has trained and incentivised neolithic power hungry pricks and given them some false sense of moral crusade to save us from our selves. It's all part of controlling and repressing the masses to conform under a blanket of socialistic moral ideology. The traffic police have lost sight of the spirit of the law, have forgotten they are servants of the public, and become a tool of the power mongers, they police and entrap way past the spirit of the law to a level that brings scorn, and a feeling of miss-aligned justice. Especially considering the number of outstanding crimes, un-investigated crimes, police corruption, and revenue gathering tactics. The wankers who practice such things as 'fishing' at the end of passing lanes, change of speed zones, free flowing motorway traffic ........ bla bla bla
They turn a blind eye to the real causes, to the real problems on the roads and continue to defend their pathtic blind policies.

The sooner some of you wankers on here wake up to the repression and delusion of safety you hold on to the better;
Speed kills? But think about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue. Riding today after all the rain here - I have noticed how many lifestyle blocks have poorly designed driveways where all the dirt and gravel is washed of their drive onto the road, a problem for traffic - do you think they give a toss about it?
Instead they put more and more double yellows/no overtaking lines on the roads, expand 70 & 80 K speed limits out further and further, and pester more motorists - ranting about speed kills.

You are correct. The real issue is that, these days, the law is being interpreted as a carte blanche to hand out fines and jail terms instead of its actual purpose. The first and only purpose of the law is to protect the citizens against unlawful and accidental damage to themselves or their property. It is a tool, the purpose of which is, to visit just punishment upon the wicked. It is not an excuse to dictate to people how they should live their lives, nor is it intended to facilitate revenue gathering.

People who are in fact engaging in unreasonably risky activities - as such, endangering others or their property - deserve all the punishment that they may receive. Freedom comes with responsibility - that is how it has always been.

[maxf]

Well, this has been fun. Lots of people posting replies to postings they haven't read properly. Doesn't take long for it to all turn to bullshit. Anyway, I've better things to do.

If anybody wants to catch up face-to-face to discuss the finer points, we've a regular ride organised through the forum at: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113562-What-about-a-regular-weeknight-ride-meet-(Ch-ch)

Otherwise, ride safe and try not to think with your mouth.

Molly.

Agree with that - I've usually been doing the WNR, so if you want to turn up I'll try to give you someone to talk to... also got the GPS if you want an exact speed check (mine was 8% out)... dunno if it would be of interest, your call.

Keep the rubber rolling.

[smoky]

People who are in fact engaging in unreasonably risky activities - as such, endangering others or their property - deserve all the punishment that they may receive. Freedom comes with responsibility - that is how it has always been.

I would not totally agree with that; I don't think they deserve ALL the punishment that they receive, but the punishment should fit the crime and serve as a deterrent to further errant behavior.

Unlike fining the crap out of beneficiaries for driving unregistered cars with no drivers licence, and while the fines mount up the continue to drive, drunk drivers killing people and only getting 6 months suspension of licence...... bla bla bla

[onearmedbandit]

I signal other bikes, heck I even let cagers know, I do it because as a young child (25+yrs ago) I asked my father one day why cars where flashing their headlights at us, and he explained the 'code'. I still do it today, out of habit and aware that it is so easy to creep above the limit. If someone doesn't do it back to me, no big deal, not everyone thinks the same as I do.

As far as being charged with alerting others to a speed trap, I'm sure there was a case going back at least 20yrs now where the police tried charging an elderly chap with 'obstructing police' by sitting up the road with a sign alerting drivers to the speed trap further up the road. I remmber the judge dismissing the case and asking the police why they would want to charge someone for i]helping to lower the speed travelled through the area.[/i].

[Berries]

This one ?

http://www.fppc.co.nz/RS1.jpg

[Miscreant]

If you're speeding you're obviously not giving two f&#cks about the other vehicles on the road.

How do you figure that?
Obviously the speed adds have worked a treat for you and removed your ability to think for yourself.

[yachtie10]

Its a sad day when people cant discuss an issue without being called a whinger

I will signal other road users cops ahead and I would hope others will return the favour some day

for those who wont its your right, but coming on here and being proud of it is pretty sad

[yachtie10]

And molly I agree with you about Str8 Jacket
but haven't you learned arguing with a women is pointless

[Str8 Jacket]

And molly I agree with you about Str8 Jacket
but haven't you learned arguing with a women is pointless

I have a fresh box of tissues here. If you PM me your address I shall post them too you.

[PrincessBandit]

.... just ONE biker took the trouble to warn me about the speed trap I was about to hit...

So, a big thanks to that rider (Ducati I think) and a huge GET F***ED to the rest of them.
So was the "trap" simply a cop with a laser/ camera or one of the following: (in smoky's post)...

Why do we have a speed limit?
Honestly, why; I mean the idea, the spirit in which the law was scribed and adopted, was so we can all travel around and get to where we're wanting to get to in an orderly fashion, with out endangering others.

the rules were made to enforce the rights of others and protect road users, pedestrians and so on.
However our pathetic nanny state has trained and incentivised neolithic power hungry pricks and given them some false sense of moral crusade to save us from our selves. It's all part of controlling and repressing the masses to conform under a blanket of socialistic moral ideology. The traffic police have lost sight of the spirit of the law, have forgotten they are servants of the public, and become a tool of the power mongers, they police and entrap way past the spirit of the law to a level that brings scorn, and a feeling of miss-aligned justice. Especially considering the number of outstanding crimes, un-investigated crimes, police corruption, and revenue gathering tactics. The wankers who practice such things as 'fishing' at the end of passing lanes, change of speed zones, free flowing motorway traffic ........ bla bla bla
They turn a blind eye to the real causes, to the real problems on the roads and continue to defend their pathtic blind policies.

The sooner some of you wankers on here wake up to the repression and delusion of safety you hold on to the better;
Speed kills? But think about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue. Riding today after all the rain here - I have noticed how many lifestyle blocks have poorly designed driveways where all the dirt and gravel is washed of their drive onto the road, a problem for traffic - do you think they give a toss about it?
Instead they put more and more double yellows/no overtaking lines on the roads, expand 70 & 80 K speed limits out further and further, and pester more motorists - ranting about speed kills.
Now those are what I call "traps". Btw, other good points there smoky in the paragraph above.

.... I asked my father one day why cars where flashing their headlights at us, and he explained the 'code'.
Sorry, but that made me lol - Pirates of the Carburetor perhaps? The code my boy, aye, the code...

Its a sad day when people cant discuss an issue without being called a whinger
........................

for those who wont its your right, but coming on here and being proud of it is pretty sad

I agree completely with your first sentence, I don't with the last. Of course it's my right to "signal or not" when I'm driving or riding. Quite frankly if I choose to speed I don't concern myself with whether or not someone else will save my arse - that's for me to do (or pay up). I am proud of the way I ride and the things I have learnt since getting on two wheels; it has made me a better car driver as well. So. LOUD AND PROUD! (in caps, just in case you missed it).

[shrub]

but it's the problem that gets the biggest push because it's easy to identify "offenders", easy to police and easy to collect buckets of dosh from.

Meanwhile the biggest cause of crashes, driver inattention, continues unabated and ignored.

BTW, I regularly get flashed about tax traps, usually by cars.

[Berries]

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

Can you post a link, I can’t find it at Whitcoulls.

[PrincessBandit]

Oh, just to clarify, of course I would warn other road users of danger on the road such as a washout, fallen debris, an accident etc.

[Mikkel]

I would not totally agree with that; I don't think they deserve ALL the punishment that they receive, but the punishment should fit the crime and serve as a deterrent to further errant behavior.

Ok, maybe I need to clarify. To me the crime has not so much to do with what damage that may or may not occur as a result - it has merely to do with behaviour which reflects a blatant disregard, a complete and utter lack of respect, for other people, their health, their loved ones and their property. People who behave in such a manner are deserving of a long fall with a short stop. However, it is not my position to judge and meter out punishment - nor would I ever want it to be.

Even if we did away with that despicable attitude, shit will still happen. However, I've always been happy to forgive and move on from accidents and misunderstandings - provided that everyone involved face up to their responsibilities. So far I've been fortunate enough not to have to deal with any, excuse the metaphor, runners.

[smoky]

......However, it is not my position to judge and meter out punishment - nor would I ever want it to be.
I'd have a go at it - lets have some common sense for a change


Even if we did away with that despicable attitude, shit will still happen. However, I've always been happy to forgive and move on from accidents and misunderstandings - provided that everyone involved face up to their responsibilities.

There's another point - a couple of vehicles collide/crash have an accident, the cops turn up, generally some one was in the wrong, is feeling rather upset and embarrassed, or even injured, has lost their vehicle or bike - I have never quite understood why the police feel the need to then issue an infringement notice! It's just pissing people off, the poor bastard is embarrassed, learnt their lesson, lost their no claims bonus and has to pay one or more excesses for insurance (if they had any) - but our police have this F###in wanky policy of issuing a ticket????? Bunch of tossers

[Mikkel]

There's another point - a couple of vehicles collide/crash have an accident, the cops turn up, generally some one was in the wrong, is feeling rather upset and embarrassed, or even injured, has lost their vehicle or bike - I have never quite understood why the police feel the need to then issue an infringement notice! It's just pissing people off, the poor bastard is embarrassed, learnt their lesson, lost their no claims bonus and has to pay one or more excesses for insurance (if they had any) - but our police have this F###in wanky policy of issuing a ticket????? Bunch of tossers

I agree completely. If no-one is hurt and no-one is being unreasonable - no reason to call in the fuzz. If the other fella is unreasonable and starts to demand acceptance of liability or some other shit like that, well - then it's a different matter. If anyone is hurt - significantly - and you need an ambulance at the scene, then there's no way around it I'm afraid.

Just leave it with the insurance companies to sort out. Not having to spend your time dealing with the details of shit like that is one of the services you are paying for. I do suppose that if an officer writes out a notice, that will make the case less muddy if liability is contested at a later stage.

[Big Dave]

>>why the police feel the need to then issue an infringement notice!<<

Because the moron deserves it.

[yachtie10]

I have a fresh box of tissues here. If you PM me your address I shall post them too you.

gee thats almost as clever as "whatever"
but you go ahead and have the last word

[smoky]

Because the moron deserves it.

Depends - a friend who came off in the wet, lost his front wheel, no one around, didn't hit anyone else, just bad luck and a rough road in the wet, the bike was totalled, he was injured a little, ambo called, cop turns up - starts trying to find a reason to issue a ticket - after a few months they dropped the case, but only after their own accident investigator told them it was more likely the poor condition of the road was the main contributor.

[Big Dave]

Aren't we were talking about the 'Morans' who run into other people's cars in their car. All biker are genius.

[SPman]

You are correct. The real issue is that, these days, the law is being interpreted as a carte blanche to hand out fines and jail terms instead of its actual purpose. The first and only purpose of the law is to protect the citizens against unlawful and accidental damage to themselves or their property. It is a tool, the purpose of which is, to visit just punishment upon the wicked. It is not an excuse to dictate to people how they should live their lives, nor is it intended to facilitate revenue gathering.
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There is a saying - "Laws are written for the guidance of wise men and the slavish obedience of fools!"
Guess the fools are in charge.........

[Mikkel]

Guess the fools are in charge.........

Yep - the difference between democracy (a good idea) and democrazy (a reality-impaired implementation of a good idea).

[Thani-B]

I was warned of cops by two bikers on Saturday. One "whirled" his hand by his head and the other flashed his lights. I dropped my speed the 5km/h it needed to be at the speed limit and I didn't see either cop that the bikers were warning me about.

[awayatc]

those are the ones that get you...........

[sondela]

I always try and warn bikers of speed traps if I'm in the cage or on the bike, it just seems like a "do as you would be done by" thing ... be nice and other ppl are nice back..

[DMNTD]

What sort of farktard wouldn't warn another? :scratch:

[smoky]

What sort of farktard wouldn't warn another? :scratch:

The of kind puritanical retards who also rave on at everyone about 'speed kills' and act all higher than thou

[red mermaid]

The of kind puritanical retards who also rave on at everyone about 'speed kills' and act all higher than thou

It does and I have seen plenty of examples.

[DMNTD]

It does and I have seen plenty of examples.

I'd agree if you made mention that inappropriate speed can be,and is, a factor in many many accidents...

[The Stranger]

What sort of farktard wouldn't warn another? :scratch:

Weasels and rat finks.

[smoky]

It does and I have seen plenty of examples.


I'd agree if you made mention that inappropriate speed can be,and is, a factor in many many accidents...

The problem with just focusing on speed - and those on here who fool themselves that if they go slow they'll be safe, is; you're swallowing a bullshit bureaucratic ideology that's flawed, it requires you turn a blind eye to the real causes, to the real problems on the roads and continue to defend the police and their pathtic blind policies. It also can give you a false sense of security thinking if you go slow you won't kill yourself - when really there needs to be a hell of a lot more awareness about how to improve rider ability, how and when to brake, tyre safety, is your bike in safe condition, how many have their bike suspension set up or checked for them, learn about road positioning, how to correct lack of traction......... instead we sell the 'slow down' message as the 'cure all'.

I repeat what I've said earlier; "The sooner some of you retards on here wake up to the repression and delusion of safety you hold on to the better;
Speed kills? But think about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue. Go out for a ride after it's rained and notice how many lifestyle blocks have poorly designed driveways where all the dirt and gravel is washed of their drive onto the road, a problem for traffic - do you think they give a toss about it?
Instead they put more and more double yellows/no overtaking lines on the roads, expand 70 & 80 K speed limits out further and further, and pester more motorists - ranting about speed kills."

And you like sheep, putting your faith in their message thinking it will keep you safe, back them up on these forums.

I was on two rides last year where bikers died - road condition and riding beyond their ability were the main contributors, not speed
one was loose shit on the road left from road resurfacing on a corner, the other was over cooking a slow corner - lack of experience saw her apply the brake and head across the other side of the road into on coming traffic
Another person I know was killed when a milk tanker completely blocked the road while pulling out of a drive - 20 meters or so the other side of a blind rise in the road - wouldn't of mattered what speed the rider was doing. We are suggesting a law change to prevent any large vehicle pulling across a country road - turning right out of a farm gate. But do you think anyone is listening!

from 30 years plus of riding - it is incorrect braking that seems to kill people more often than not
Speed contributes to the level of carnage, I agree, but it shouldn't be the sole focus

While the Police continue to ignore real issues and over police the public, of whom they are suppose to serve, I will show them the contempt they deserve - I will and do signal to other motorists

[PrincessBandit]

Weasels and rat finks.

Oooooh oooooh, can I be a weasel? I think they're cute. Hang on , I might be confusing that with ferret...

[red mermaid]

I was on two rides last year where bikers died - road condition and riding beyond their ability were the main contributors, not speed
one was loose shit on the road left from road resurfacing on a corner, the other was over cooking a slow corner - lack of experience saw her apply the brake and head across the other side of the road into on coming traffic


I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

[smoky]

I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

If they covered themselves in cotton wool and built a cage around their bikes, if they had employed a point man with a flag to walk in front of them - they would both be still alive as well

Don't be a fukwit

[peasea]

I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

Maybe if they'd taken the bus?????????

[peasea]

Oooooh oooooh, can I be a weasel? I think they're cute. Hang on , I might be confusing that with ferret...

There was a cop in Wellington we called 'The Ferret'. He'd turn you over and go through every damned thing; ashtrays, the glovebox, your pockets, your wallet, you name it. He was a slice of shite. It took him a few years to catch me and even then it was the lamest bust ever; a few dead pot plants. What a sinner I was. He seemed happy though and the search of the flat came to a halt............just in time. If he'd found anything else things in my life would have been a whole lot different. A 'cultivation' conviction I can handle.

[red mermaid]

Ok, you've called me silly names, and avoided the question, which is pathetic in a way but shows you have no counter arguement.

So now answer my original question...I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.


If they covered themselves in cotton wool and built a cage around their bikes, if they had employed a point man with a flag to walk in front of them - they would both be still alive as well

Don't be a fukwit


Maybe if they'd taken the bus?????????

[peasea]

Ok, you've called me silly names, and avoided the question, which is pathetic in a way but shows you have no counter arguement.

So now answer my original question...I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

Do you work for the politically correct Serious Crash boffins or someone like that?
In some cases, if the rider had been going slower he might have fallen off!

You sound like a brainwashed copper.

[Ixion]

Ok, you've called me silly names, and avoided the question, which is pathetic in a way but shows you have no counter arguement.

So now answer my original question...I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

If they had been stopped their chances would ahve been excellent. Your argument is crooked.

In the cases cited , in one at least (and maybe both), it is improbable in the extreme that the rider was speeding. Certainly, had they been going slower they might have managed better. But since they were not breaking the speed limit , your argument that these cases prove that breaking the speed limit is dangerous is totally fallacious.

And in fact shows the illogic of that speed limit. In cars , it may now be true (though I doubt it) that a crash at 100 kph is always going to be surviveable. Though if you really believe that I invite you to put it to the test with yourself as guinea pig.

But on bikes it is emphatically not true. Crash at 100kph and you like as not die (or , maybe not. bike crashes are strange and unpredictable). What is predictable is that to guarantee survival in the event of a crash you must reduce the speed limit to no more than 30kph.

The cases cited, in fact, show that your argument that you are safe so long as you do not break the speed limit is pure bull shit.

And show that the important thing for survival is to be able to correctly judge the appropriate and manageable speed (NOT a "safe speed" - no speed is safe on a motorcycle). If the rider cannot manage this judgement at under 100kph he or she will sooner or later crash. Despite NEVER speeding. If he or she can manage to correctly judge appropriate speed at < 100kph, then he or she will probably also judge correctly at > 100kph. And not crash. And vice versa. The rider who cannot correctly judge at > 100kph is almost certain to be unable to do so at < 100kph. And will crash , shibbolethic delusions of safty in "never speeding" not withstanding.

It's all about getting the judgement call right. Miscall it, speeding or not, and you crash. Get it right, speeding or not, and you don't (not from speed causes, anyway).

That judgement will vary from bike to bike, rider to rider, day to day, road to road. It can never be set by a cop or a bureaucrat.

[peasea]

Ok, you've called me silly names, and avoided the question, which is pathetic in a way but shows you have no counter arguement.

So now answer my original question...I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

Your arrogance and spelling give you away, copper.:Police:
"arguement".....?.....:rofl::rofl::rofl::nya:

[Oakie]

Oooooh oooooh, can I be a weasel? I think they're cute. Hang on , I might be confusing that with ferret...

I understand. They're weasely mistaken .... although if you're thinking of stoats, then weasels are weasely distinguished as stoats are stoatally different.

[Shadows]

I guess: aiding and abetting

Pffft.

You have a speed detector on your bike so you know such an outrageous "crime" as exceeding the posted speed limit is being committed, do you?

When was signalling somebody to be wary of the speed he is travelling at actually helping him to break the law anyway? It has quite the opposite effect.

[Shadows]

By the way - regardless of what I'm driving or riding I always flash my lights at bikers if they are approaching a speed trap. If you don't then you are nothing but a cunt.

[terbang]

What sort of farktard wouldn't warn another? :scratch:

Wannabe biker fucktards?

[cruza]

there are definately nice bikers, and some arrogant arses!!!
was coming home from a rally this morning, and some of the stupid f**kers overtaking me (on a 225 so wasn't too hard) on blind corners - some of them weren't mucking around either... gotta wonder how some of them are still alive. i certainly don't want to watch a head on crash happen right in front of me - about just as much as i'd want to be in one

Pretty shit riding when ya pass on a blind corner trying to keep up with ya mates who had already cut in front of rummie and forced space behind slow cars, then ride beside her on the wrong side of the road , and move across into her space cause of oncoming traffic, farking retard. Of course We were going a really slow 95-100km.

[cruza]

By the way - regardless of what I'm driving or riding I ALWAYS flash my lights at bikers if they are approaching a speed trap. If you don't then you are nothing but a cunt.

Couldn't agree more. When I'm working I have to draw a line , but still always warn bikers, as normally I know from CB chatter where H/P cars are. When I'm in the car/bike , always make the effort.
There are times when you see a dickhead who needs pulling up, and smile as he goes past.

[smoky]

Ok, you've called me silly names, and avoided the question, which is pathetic in a way but shows you have no counter arguement.
You don't read very well do you? You posted a question that i had previously covered in my post, and if you can't work out the relevance of my answer - then that's your problem; Do you think 100Klm/hr is a magical speed, that anything over that you risk carnage, but if you do 100 or less you don't? surely you're not that stupid?

If they covered themselves in cotton wool and built a cage around their bikes, if they had employed a point man with a flag to walk in front of them - they would both be still alive as well



So now answer my original question...I put it to you that in both of these cases, if the rider had been going slower their survivability chances would have been higher.

And just for you - since you couldn't read it your self;

Speed contributes to the level of carnage, I agree, but it shouldn't be the sole focus

...... those on here who fool themselves that if they go slow they'll be safe, is; .....It can give you a false sense of security thinking if you go slow you won't kill yourself - when really there needs to be a hell of a lot more awareness about how to improve rider ability, how and when to brake, tyre safety, is your bike in safe condition, how many have their bike suspension set up or checked for them, learn about road positioning, how to correct lack of traction......... instead we sell the 'slow down' message as the 'cure all'.

[shrub]

That judgement will vary from bike to bike, rider to rider, day to day, road to road. It can never be set by a cop or a bureaucrat.

Excellently put - a very well worded post, thank you.

[smoky]

If they had been stopped their chances would ahve been excellent. Your argument is crooked.
The cases cited, in fact, show that your argument that you are safe so long as you do not break the speed limit is pure bull shit.

And show that the important thing for survival is to be able to correctly judge the appropriate and manageable speed (NOT a "safe speed" - no speed is safe on a motorcycle). If the rider cannot manage this judgement at under 100kph he or she will sooner or later crash. Despite NEVER speeding. If he or she can manage to correctly judge appropriate speed at < 100kph, then he or she will probably also judge correctly at > 100kph. And not crash. And vice versa. The rider who cannot correctly judge at > 100kph is almost certain to be unable to do so at < 100kph. And will crash , shibbolethic delusions of safty in "never speeding" not withstanding.

It's all about getting the judgement call right. Miscall it, speeding or not, and you crash. Get it right, speeding or not, and you don't (not from speed causes, anyway).

That judgement will vary from bike to bike, rider to rider, day to day, road to road. It can never be set by a cop or a bureaucrat.

That there is a post from someone who understands how to maximise their chances of staying on his bike, and more likely to live.
Good post dude

My trap is over confidence - even at legal speeds accidents can happen thru over confidence - cockieness

[red mermaid]

Its ok, you were safe, because speed doesn't kill.



Pretty shit riding when ya pass on a blind corner trying to keep up with ya mates who had already cut in front of rummie and forced space behind slow cars, then ride beside her on the wrong side of the road , and move across into her space cause of oncoming traffic, farking retard. Of course We were going a really slow 95-100km.

[DMNTD]

Its ok, you were safe, because speed doesn't kill.

...but it's a shocking habit!

[Tone165]

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

That's what I'm on about also...Thanx..well said!