They are not all bad cops

[3umph]

Why do we always have a big rant about the bad cops... they are definatly the minority but always seem to get the biggest and most vocal posts....

I got copped on the way to Woodstock this year on the Old West Coats Rd... Ipod blasting, nothing on the road so just cruising along and creeping up all the time....

then the old red led started flashing in my eye so hard on the breaks.... dam the red and blue come on on the mufti car.... Bugger, wondering what he pinged me for... will I be walking? is it a big fine??? or will I get off with a warning??? what ever it is it is well overdue...

I stopped and the cop had to continue driving up to turn around behind me... last time I got pulled up on a bike I got one hell of a tune up from the cop... mind you I was a hell of a lot younger then..

by the time he got to me I had my lid and gloves off and just started digging out my licence (hoping I was going to get it back)

To my surprise he was very friendly and very chatty.. he informed me that I was clocked at 119km/h (phew I thought), no mention of me slowing or when he first saw me that I was going faster, he did mention they have a 10km/h tolerance and I then thought to my self maybe I may get off with a warning.... he got my details and back to the car to run me and the bike through....

all clean to report and handed me the ticket... $120 and 20 demerits...

We then had about a 5-10 minute chat about bikes and some of the chases that had happened some ending good and some not so good...

I left thinking what a good guy he was... pleasant and not the rude obnoxious cops that you usually hear about...

At the end of the day they are only doing a job and they all are not the sort that the rants on here go on about...

I'm a speeder... I got coped... and I thanked him for a job well done...

[pc220]

Good on ya mate. Good to hear someone take it on the chin instead of whinging on about the asshole cop who dished out the ticket. At the end of the day they are doing a job that %99.9 are not willing to even consider.

[Grasshopperus]

Funnily enough, I also had a positive experience with a police officer today after getting a warning about speed.

They're just normal folks who have to deal with an incredible amount of bullshit in dealing with the general populace.

We should have national hug-a-cop day or something.

[Spearfish]

Its going to be interesting how long this thread goes.
If the cop had given you the same ticket and you were seeking sympathy.............

[shafty]

:sunny: Good post Dude!

[terbang]

A friends Daughter and her mates went out to the pub and had one or two too many. Stumbled out of the pub acting rowdy and the likes and got into their car. Cops sitting across the road watched all this and as she drove out of the carpark, they nabbed them and she got done for DIC. Fair enough, silly twit should know better. Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but wouldn't it have been better for them (cops) to have confronted silly drunk twats and pointed out the consequence of what they were just about to do. They would have shat themselves and certainly would have taken the hint.
Both approaches, watch them get in the car and then nick them or putting the hard word on them before they drove would have either way stopped a drunk driver. So why the exercise in entrapment in preference to a little bit of preventative maintenance?

[CookMySock]

Why do we always have a big rant about the bad cops... they are definatly the minority but always seem to get the biggest and most vocal posts. [....] I'm a speeder... I got coped... and I thanked him for a job well done.Yup ya just pays ya speeding tax and move on. Anyone who can afford that just pays it.

Thats not the problem.

The problems are, roughly ;

Cops being involved in car crashes and using their experience and police resources to weasel out of paying up.

Cops knocking bikers off, and using etc etc as above.

Cops doing dangerous shit on the road and using police resources to, ala rinse and repeat as above.

Cops making up new laws ad-hoc (must stop for three seconds at stop sign, must put feet down etc) and purporting to enforce the law with them, when it's clearly bullshit.

Cops randomly stopping bikers and insisting said biker rode down this and that road at alleged dangerous speeds etc etc, with three other po po cars pulling up and saying "yeah thats him" and writing him a mountainous ticket for it and then lying in court about it.

Heard enough?

Thats the problem.

Steve

[CookMySock]

Cops sitting across the road watched all this and as she drove out of the carpark, they nabbed them and she got done for DIC. [...] wouldn't it have been better for them (cops) to have confronted silly drunk twats and pointed out the consequence of what they were just about to do. They would have shat themselves and certainly would have taken the hint. Nah thats a foolish and dangerous thing to do. Think of your own daughter travelling in the opposite direction...

Very few things are as dangerous as driving really pissed. They aren't "silly drunk twats" - they are dangerous criminals. Theres a world of difference.

Steve

[awayatc]

problem here is we are finding it acceptable to get a speeding ticket for 19 kms or so over the limit on a country road.............
as long as the cop is "friendly".......
something wrong when we start thanking the Speed Nazi's for giving us a fine

[Grubber]

Yup ya just pays ya speeding tax and move on. Anyone who can afford that just pays it.

Thats not the problem.

The problems are, roughly ;

Cops being involved in car crashes and using their experience and police resources to weasel out of paying up.

Cops knocking bikers off, and using etc etc as above.

Cops doing dangerous shit on the road and using police resources to, ala rinse and repeat as above.

Cops making up new laws ad-hoc (must stop for three seconds at stop sign, must put feet down etc) and purporting to enforce the law with them, when it's clearly bullshit.

Cops randomly stopping bikers and insisting said biker rode down this and that road at alleged dangerous speeds etc etc, with three other po po cars pulling up and saying "yeah thats him" and writing him a mountainous ticket for it and then lying in court about it.

Heard enough?

Thats the problem.

Steve

Jeez mate....Ya so full of shit. Like that happens every day does it. I don't think so.

[CookMySock]

Jeez mate....Ya so full of shit. Like that happens every day does it. I don't think so.Er your derogatory mouth is shooting itself off again. Does it do that often?

No one said it happens every day. When it does happen, it shouldn't. Even the police agree that it shouldn't. Read here from a police officer saying the same thing ;
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117486-Bullshit-speeding-ticket-from-arrogant-cop-Complaint?p=1129624123#post1129624123

Steve

[Genie]

problem here is we are finding it acceptable to get a speeding ticket for 19 kms or so over the limit on a country road.............
as long as the cop is "friendly".......
something wrong when we start thanking the Speed Nazi's for giving us a fine

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!

[awayatc]

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!

Yes little miss do goodie.....
please don't tell the teacher....

[3umph]

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!

so right or accept the consequences....

[Genie]

:clap:I can assure you I'm far from being Little Miss Do-Gooder, however I am good at what I do.

[3umph]

Yup ya just pays ya speeding tax and move on. Anyone who can afford that just pays it.

Thats not the problem.

The problems are, roughly ;

Cops being involved in car crashes and using their experience and police resources to weasel out of paying up.

Cops knocking bikers off, and using etc etc as above.

Cops doing dangerous shit on the road and using police resources to, ala rinse and repeat as above.

Cops making up new laws ad-hoc (must stop for three seconds at stop sign, must put feet down etc) and purporting to enforce the law with them, when it's clearly bullshit.

Cops randomly stopping bikers and insisting said biker rode down this and that road at alleged dangerous speeds etc etc, with three other po po cars pulling up and saying "yeah thats him" and writing him a mountainous ticket for it and then lying in court about it.

Heard enough?

Thats the problem.

Steve

And this would happen how many time compared to all the stuff done buy the book??? f all... it's just we hear about it all the time when it does

[awayatc]

so right or accept the consequences....

the two of you will have such a great time .....
but nobody left to tell you what to do

[pc220]

Hey DB gotta wonder why you even bothered calling the police when there was a scary man on your section.Seen as you have such a low regard for them. Or did you put on your meek and mild I dont have a keyboard to hid behind face that day.

[Bikemad]

i got pinged just before cheviot comin home from the BURT a couple of years ago..........127 passin cars on passin lanes,nice sunny day etc..............i made a lame attempt at humour and clemency sayin...."aww come on...its been a great trip so far...you dont wanna ruin it by giving me a ticket do you......."
He did.....but wrote it dowm to 119 ks saving me 15 demerit points...........I too thanked him for a fair deal i thought.Then had a chat for ten minutes about bikes etc.
A decent bloke doing an otherwise thankless task

[mashman]

Me too, pinged on the way back from the vincent county rally a few years ago. Those long stretches of road by the vineyards outside of Blenheim, no traffic, the 1000 yard stare of a tired fella almost at the ferry and a mufti coming in the opposite direction. Boing lights, aaaahhhh 135, pull over. No he asked me how quickly i was going (gotta think that's a trick question). I said "125?"and he agreed in a slightly reluctant tone... he was a fuckin good fella, we talked when i got off the bike, talked after the ticket and i dare venture that if he had been in the car himself he MAY have let me off with it, as he was in no hurry to take his pad out! But hey, it coulda been much worse.

[Bikemad]

wolfie smith...........geez that takes me back......wonder if theres someepisodes on you tube

[peasea]

The police are our friends..........:hug:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[peasea]

I'm a speeder... I got coped... and I thanked him for a job well done...

Did he thank you for your contribution to the Consolidated Fund? (No discretion being exercised there eh?)

Of course he was nice to you, he was emptying your wallet and yes, that's his job. You say in your story that there was nothing on the road, so where's the danger in rolling along at 119kph?

Travelling at that insane pace you'll kill us all, you know.

[peasea]

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!

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[Bikemad]

should read...........Adam Ant....cowboy faggot

[marty]

A friends Daughter and her mates went out to the pub and had one or two too many. Stumbled out of the pub acting rowdy and the likes and got into their car. Cops sitting across the road watched all this and as she drove out of the carpark, they nabbed them and she got done for DIC. Fair enough, silly twit should know better. Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but wouldn't it have been better for them (cops) to have confronted silly drunk twats and pointed out the consequence of what they were just about to do. They would have shat themselves and certainly would have taken the hint.
Both approaches, watch them get in the car and then nick them or putting the hard word on them before they drove would have either way stopped a drunk driver. So why the exercise in entrapment in preference to a little bit of preventative maintenance?

From experience, that might work 1% of the time. The other 99%, the driver will just say 'oh we are waiting for our sober driver' and the cop can do nothing. In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent. the cop might as well walk into the bar and say 'don't drink and drive' for all the effect that the carpark discussion will have. now i know the result of letting someone drive off and missing them, but when it comes to reasoning with people that have been drinking - the punitive instead of proactive message is the one that gets through.

[AD345]

The coppers can't win for losing (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10623450)

I know why they don't arm the NZ police

the temptation to mow down the sanctimonious fuckwits like this one would be irresistible


(oh yes - that means that if you agree with Mr MacGregor , you're a sanctimonious fuckwit too)

[Mikkel]

the two of you will have such a great time .....
but nobody left to tell you what to do

Indeed, no reason to think for yourself once you've instated authorities that are itching to do it for you. Does away with personal responsibility to a degree as well, which is excellent. So much easier to elicit sympathy for one's shortcomings if you can blame someone else, right?

My working hypothesis is that the steady stream of celebrity news and soy-milk lattes is slowly, but surely, turning people's brains into mush.

You are free to do what we tell you:
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[Genie]

The coppers can't win for losing (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10623450)

I know why they don't arm the NZ police

the temptation to mow down the sanctimonious fuckwits like this one would be irresistible


(oh yes - that means that if you agree with Mr MacGregor , you're a sanctimonious fuckwit too)

Who is Mr MacGregor and does he have a lovely garden?????

[Grubber]

Er your derogatory mouth is shooting itself off again. Does it do that often?

No one said it happens every day. When it does happen, it shouldn't. Even the police agree that it shouldn't. Read here from a police officer saying the same thing ;
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117486-Bullshit-speeding-ticket-from-arrogant-cop-Complaint?p=1129624123#post1129624123

Steve

Your right..it shouldn't. We often spend our time at over 100kph and we shouldn't, but we do. When i get caught i take the fine with a smile and remain couteous , as i would with any person i meet. I have never ever had any problem with them in 30+ years of riding. On the other hand if you want to develop an attitude with them...ahhh well, good luck to ya i say. Not sure that arriving with said attitude is going to get ya too far right from the get go.

[Grubber]

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!
Pay up if ya don't. We all know the rules!

And this would happen how many time compared to all the stuff done buy the book??? f all... it's just we hear about it all the time when it does
So true....and we only hear about it from fellas like DB.

Hey DB gotta wonder why you even bothered calling the police when there was a scary man on your section.Seen as you have such a low regard for them. Or did you put on your meek and mild I dont have a keyboard to hid behind face that day.
I wonder how difficult it would be for him to rely on police in his time of need knowing how much he despises them.

i got pinged just before cheviot comin home from the BURT a couple of years ago..........127 passin cars on passin lanes,nice sunny day etc..............i made a lame attempt at humour and clemency sayin...."aww come on...its been a great trip so far...you dont wanna ruin it by giving me a ticket do you......."
He did.....but wrote it dowm to 119 ks saving me 15 demerit points...........I too thanked him for a fair deal i thought.Then had a chat for ten minutes about bikes etc.
A decent bloke doing an otherwise thankless task
They not that bad really eh?

Me too, pinged on the way back from the vincent county rally a few years ago. Those long stretches of road by the vineyards outside of Blenheim, no traffic, the 1000 yard stare of a tired fella almost at the ferry and a mufti coming in the opposite direction. Boing lights, aaaahhhh 135, pull over. No he asked me how quickly i was going (gotta think that's a trick question). I said "125?"and he agreed in a slightly reluctant tone... he was a fuckin good fella, we talked when i got off the bike, talked after the ticket and i dare venture that if he had been in the car himself he MAY have let me off with it, as he was in no hurry to take his pad out! But hey, it coulda been much worse.
WOW! Another "not bad really" story. So where are all these heathen coppers we seem to hear about so often.

[Edbear]

Funnily enough, I also had a positive experience with a police officer today after getting a warning about speed.

They're just normal folks who have to deal with an incredible amount of bullshit in dealing with the general populace.

We should have national hug-a-cop day or something.

I agree! There was this really tall slim blond in a shop I was in the other day. She was very pretty and smiled at me as she left with her shorter male partner. I felt like giving her a hug and commending her on her efforts to keep us safe, but I thought she may misinterpret my intentions and beat the living daylights out of me instead... :laugh:


problem here is we are finding it acceptable to get a speeding ticket for 19 kms or so over the limit on a country road.............
as long as the cop is "friendly".......
something wrong when we start thanking the Speed Nazi's for giving us a fine

There's something wrong with your reasoning...


From experience, that might work 1% of the time. The other 99%, the driver will just say 'oh we are waiting for our sober driver' and the cop can do nothing. In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent. the cop might as well walk into the bar and say 'don't drink and drive' for all the effect that the carpark discussion will have. now i know the result of letting someone drive off and missing them, but when it comes to reasoning with people that have been drinking - the punitive instead of proactive message is the one that gets through.

Sadly you are right. These idiots know they shouldn't be driving but they couldn't care less.

To all the whingers. How would you do it? Why not do away with the speed limit all together since so many are good drivers/riders with good judgement and don't need to be told how fast to travel? Why not have exemptions for the good drivers/riders so you don't have to obey the law?

There are places you can speed legally and show everyone just how good you are and get your thrills without having Grandad in his Corolla pull out in front of you.

But because it costs a fee, you'd rather break the law anytime you please and whinge when you suffer the consequences which are very well known and warned of. How many bike accidents lately are attributed to speed? Notice most of the fatalities are where the biker has been speeding and lost control? These dead people no doubt considered they were good riders and could handle it... Just like you...

There are countries that have higher speed limits you could move there. Personally, the standard of driving/riding in this country, and I've been on group rides, is generally appalling and my only wonder is that the road toll isn't three times what it is!

[3umph]

Did he thank you for your contribution to the Consolidated Fund? (No discretion being exercised there eh?)

Of course he was nice to you, he was emptying your wallet and yes, that's his job. You say in your story that there was nothing on the road, so where's the danger in rolling along at 119kph?

Travelling at that insane pace you'll kill us all, you know.

In fact I was traveling faster but was clocked at 119kph under brakes.... hey speed does not kill... its the impact at the end that does...

[3umph]

Did he thank you for your contribution to the Consolidated Fund? (No discretion being exercised there eh?)

Of course he was nice to you, he was emptying your wallet and yes, that's his job.

A bikeshop emptied more of my wallet doing stuff that I did not ask for and I ended up contributing to there profit margin as well... whats the difference

[PrincessBandit]

Funnily enough,........We should have national hug-a-cop day or something.
Your thoughts scumdog? We'd love to hug you!

Yes little miss do goodie.....
I thought that was my title, but I'm happy to share.

I agree! There was this really tall slim blond in a shop I was in the other day. She was very pretty and smiled at me as she left with her shorter male partner. I felt like giving her a hug and commending her on her efforts to keep us safe, but I thought she may misinterpret my intentions and beat the living daylights out of me instead... :laugh:
That would probably depend on whether you were offering her sweeties at the same time and a ride...:shutup:

[Indoo]

. So why the exercise in entrapment in preference to a little bit of preventative maintenance?

I can't see how on earth that could even remotely be considered entrapment. If the Police had given her the alcohol, make her drink it, gave her the car keys, point her in its direction and opened the door for her you might have had a point. And old fashioned would be her accepting the consequences for her actions, her and her family blaming the Police for her actions is a very modern phenomenon.

[Kinje]

From experience, that might work 1% of the time. The other 99%, the driver will just say 'oh we are waiting for our sober driver' and the cop can do nothing. In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent. the cop might as well walk into the bar and say 'don't drink and drive' for all the effect that the carpark discussion will have. now i know the result of letting someone drive off and missing them, but when it comes to reasoning with people that have been drinking - the punitive instead of proactive message is the one that gets through.

I'm not sure how the case turned out, but what about the case in Wellington of police charging a women who walked into the station saying 'I shouldn't be driving'?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3121117/Police-assumed-too-much-in-drink-driving-case

[huff3r]

To all the whingers. How would you do it? Why not do away with the speed limit all together since so many are good drivers/riders with good judgement and don't need to be told how fast to travel? Why not have exemptions for the good drivers/riders so you don't have to obey the law?

There are places you can speed legally and show everyone just how good you are and get your thrills without having Grandad in his Corolla pull out in front of you.

But because it costs a fee, you'd rather break the law anytime you please and whinge when you suffer the consequences which are very well known and warned of. How many bike accidents lately are attributed to speed? Notice most of the fatalities are where the biker has been speeding and lost control? These dead people no doubt considered they were good riders and could handle it... Just like you...

There are countries that have higher speed limits you could move there. Personally, the standard of driving/riding in this country, and I've been on group rides, is generally appalling and my only wonder is that the road toll isn't three times what it is!

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

[AD345]

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

Think this through a minute. The imposition of speed limits is, for the most part, completely arbitrary. This is evidencec by the ease with which they were changed pre and post the oil shocks of the '70s (remember the blanket 80kmh open road speed limit?) and also by the latest moves mooted to rate all our roads similar to what is done iin some aussie states (which will likely lead to a whole lot of Karangaheke Gorge type limts...........but thats a whole nother post).

So - with all that in mind, where do you determine the guilt should lie in your hypothetical "If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding"?. The rider because they were exceeding the posted speed limit? There is no science behind that limit and it could quite easily be changed up or down by political whim.

When are you speeding?

What is speeding?

Most people, upon thinking about it, would say that 'speeding" is going to fast for the conditions, as evidenced by there being an accident in the first place.

Even ignoring the myriad alternate explanations that must inevitably lead to the reverse being true, riding to the conditions could mean exceeding the posted (arbitrary) speed limit.

respect for rules is one thing - blind adherance is another.

Become an educated citizen not a slave to propaganda

[pc220]

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

Because this is the age of ' all the rights and no responsibility" thanks alot PC brigade.

[huff3r]

respect for rules is one thing - blind adherance is another.

Become an educated citizen not a slave to propaganda

I dunno about you, but i dont see following laws as being a slave to propaganda. By your reasoning then if i make an educated decision that beating someone up who threatens me is ok, then i should do it? It is not blind adherance, because i can see reason and logic in the idea of a speed limit. Many studies have proved that one of the greatest dangers on the road is speed DIFFERENCES between vehicles, i.e a vehicle travelling considerably faster/slower than the others presents a major hazard, either through causing others to have to overtake dangerously/overtaking dangerously themselves, or even causing an accident coming round a bend and spotting a vehicle travelling potentially 100km slower than themselves! The speed limit is the greatest factor in helping to equalise the speed that the majority of vehicles on the road travel at, and therefore i believe it should be respected. Not saying i follow it all the time, but if i get caught i KNOW it is MY fault.

Slave? Not I.

[AD345]

I dunno about you, but i dont see following laws as being a slave to propaganda. By your reasoning then if i make an educated decision that beating someone up who threatens me is ok, then i should do it? It is not blind adherance, because i can see reason and logic in the idea of a speed limit. Many studies have proved that one of the greatest dangers on the road is speed DIFFERENCES between vehicles, i.e a vehicle travelling considerably faster/slower than the others presents a major hazard, either through causing others to have to overtake dangerously/overtaking dangerously themselves, or even causing an accident coming round a bend and spotting a vehicle travelling potentially 100km slower than themselves! The speed limit is the greatest factor in helping to equalise the speed that the majority of vehicles on the road travel at, and therefore i believe it should be respected. Not saying i follow it all the time, but if i get caught i KNOW it is MY fault.

Slave? Not I.

Fair points all

I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning on all points but at least you have put some thought into your position and that is all anyone could ask for

[peasea]

A bikeshop emptied more of my wallet doing stuff that I did not ask for and I ended up contributing to there profit margin as well... whats the difference

Probably the only difference is; you might (just might) get your money back from the bike shop if you pushed the issue. If you didn't ask for the work and haven't told you it needed doing (and you agreed to them doing it) they shouldn't do it.

[Spearfish]

One reason why cops cant be more discretionary is if you have a large stack of *555 calls against your plates in the same day.

Will it be a good thing when traffic cars are fitted with evidential video cameras?

[3umph]

Probably the only difference is; you might (just might) get your money back from the bike shop if you pushed the issue. If you didn't ask for the work and haven't told you it needed doing (and you agreed to them doing it) they shouldn't do it.

I got some reduction but but overall f all... that was mainly to me saying I was not paying for the oil and filter change as it was writtin in the w/shop diary not to
I did not ask for the new brakepads, changing of brake fluid, lubing my brand new chain or them stripping a rocker cover bolt so it had a leak so they said I needed a new rockercover gasket but when they installed that it still leaked so worked out the bolt was stripped so it had to he helicoiled meaning my original should of been ok....funny thing is I know if I strip a bolt... would of thought a mechanic would also of known...
All I got when I picked the bike was oh well it needed to be done etc etc...

it went in for valve shims, plugs, balance throtle bodies, tune up and replace the fuel filter and I got everything + heaps of extras and no fuel filter change all for well over twice the price I hand been expecting from a price enquirey I did before finally booking it in for the job.... after talking to the shop owner later on I did get another $70 off but it still was over twice I expected... I definatly wont go there again...

I was speeding so I got a fine for exceeding the posted limit so expected a fine which I got... did not get overcharged and I was offered a friendly service

[Edbear]

Your thoughts scumdog? We'd love to hug you!

I thought that was my title, but I'm happy to share.

That would probably depend on whether you were offering her sweeties at the same time and a ride...:shutup:

Well I did smile back sweetly...

[ellipsis]

I got pinged by a young dude cop doing 145k, I thought that it would be silly to just stop and as he was coming towards me in a line of traffic I pissed off even quicker,I was bloody miles away , home and hosed, I thought, came round a corner into a stream of horse floats all pulling out of an event and going my way. No way was I going to get past them safely, so I aborted flight , pulled over and waited , well over a minute for this cop to turn up. He got out of his car and had a fucking smile from ear to ear. Thought it was a wolf smile, but it wasn't , it was a "Fuck ,that was fun smile"

He told me he had never driven a car so fast before on the job and that even tho his radar stopped me at 145 he reckoned 120 would do, not even a mention of maybe 175--180. I dont give a fuck what he was like in real life, but at that moment he was cool and got a big smile from me too....Does not mean to say that they are all a bunch of cunts. a whole lot are, but we wind them up a fair bit too.... they definitely pick on m/c riders more than cages on my stretch tho....a lot of the times with good cause...if you cant do the time , dont do the crime...

[spajohn]

I had a similar experience heading to the ferry terminal in Picton last summer. I was about 15kms over, but the cop wasn't lecturing about it, just very matter of fact, commented that he had lost a few points himself while he rode and we had bit of a chat about the K. We parted with him saying "Not to worry mate, it's not that serious" and gave me the ticket and said to ride safely. Fair cop (pun intended!) but there was no need to be one of these power tripping mo'fo's, which he wasn't. All good.

[3umph]

Contry to a few peoples beliefs you can see they are not all bad... and not all there to shove a batten up your arse...

They do a job (and a cunt of a job at that at times) and MOST do it well and fair

[Thani-B]

Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but wouldn't it have been better for them (cops) to have confronted silly drunk twats and pointed out the consequence of what they were just about to do. They would have shat themselves and certainly would have taken the hint.

I disagree with that. It's easy enough to say "No honest officer I wont do it again", but actually having no licence for 6 months is definitely going to work more effectively as an incentive to not do it again.


In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent.

I know someone who was done for DIC in similar circumstances. They weren't in the car when the cops arrived, but because the keys were in the ignition and they had driven the car, loss of licence for 6 months.


I'm not sure how the case turned out, but what about the case in Wellington of police charging a women who walked into the station saying 'I shouldn't be driving'?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3121117/Police-assumed-too-much-in-drink-driving-case

She's kept her licence. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10622501

[marty]

As I said - it sometimes is enough - sometimes it isn't. depends on what's said, seen and reported.

[peasea]

I got some reduction but but overall f all... that was mainly to me saying I was not paying for the oil and filter change as it was writtin in the w/shop diary not to
I did not ask for the new brakepads, changing of brake fluid, lubing my brand new chain or them stripping a rocker cover bolt so it had a leak so they said I needed a new rockercover gasket but when they installed that it still leaked so worked out the bolt was stripped so it had to he helicoiled meaning my original should of been ok....funny thing is I know if I strip a bolt... would of thought a mechanic would also of known...
All I got when I picked the bike was oh well it needed to be done etc etc...

it went in for valve shims, plugs, balance throtle bodies, tune up and replace the fuel filter and I got everything + heaps of extras and no fuel filter change all for well over twice the price I hand been expecting from a price enquirey I did before finally booking it in for the job.... after talking to the shop owner later on I did get another $70 off but it still was over twice I expected... I definatly wont go there again...

I was speeding so I got a fine for exceeding the posted limit so expected a fine which I got... did not get overcharged and I was offered a friendly service

You're fuckin' jokin'?
If had done that to a customer when I had my own shop I would have been dragged over the coals. I'm experienced in running workshops and you just don't do that to people. If the machine needs extra work you inform the wner BEFORE you go ahead.

I am actually having trouble believeing your tale, but I do. I have no reason to think you'd lie.

Any (ANY) workshop that does unauthorised repairs should NOT be paid.

[GOONR]

You're fuckin' jokin'?
If had done that to a customer when I had my own shop I would have been dragged over the coals. I'm experienced in running workshops and you just don't do that to people. If the machine needs extra work you inform the wner BEFORE you go ahead.

I am actually having trouble believeing your tale, but I do. I have no reason to think you'd lie.

Any (ANY) workshop that does unauthorised repairs should NOT be paid.

I agree, I used to have a bmw, quite old but still in fairly good nick. Took it to a local guy that specialised in bmw for a service after he gave me a quote. When I went to pick it up the price had doubled, he had done this that and the other without letting me know. Did I pay what he was asking, did I fuck!! We had an argument, but at the end of the day I got my car out of the workshop for the price we had agreed.

[peasea]

I agree, I used to have a bmw, quite old but still in fairly good nick. Took it to a local guy that specialised in bmw for a service after he gave me a quote. When I went to pick it up the price had doubled, he had done this that and the other without letting me know. Did I pay what he was asking, did I fuck!! We had an argument, but at the end of the day I got my car out of the workshop for the price we had agreed.

Good on ya. I used to run my own shop, no way would I do anything that wasn't agreed on. If I couldn't contact the owner, nothing happened.

[Tank]

Yup ya just pays ya speeding tax and move on. Anyone who can afford that just pays it.

Thats not the problem.

The problems are, roughly ;

Cops being involved in car crashes and using their experience and police resources to weasel out of paying up.

Cops knocking bikers off, and using etc etc as above.

Cops doing dangerous shit on the road and using police resources to, ala rinse and repeat as above.

Cops making up new laws ad-hoc (must stop for three seconds at stop sign, must put feet down etc) and purporting to enforce the law with them, when it's clearly bullshit.

Cops randomly stopping bikers and insisting said biker rode down this and that road at alleged dangerous speeds etc etc, with three other po po cars pulling up and saying "yeah thats him" and writing him a mountainous ticket for it and then lying in court about it.

Heard enough?

Thats the problem.

Steve

Actually - it seems that this kind of thing happens to you more than others. Im thinking its more to do with the person getting the ticket - not the fella writing it.

[3umph]

You're fuckin' jokin'?
If had done that to a customer when I had my own shop I would have been dragged over the coals. I'm experienced in running workshops and you just don't do that to people. If the machine needs extra work you inform the wner BEFORE you go ahead.

I am actually having trouble believeing your tale, but I do. I have no reason to think you'd lie.

Any (ANY) workshop that does unauthorised repairs should NOT be paid.

No not joking at all....even after complaining to the boss and going to see him... got $70 back for labour of them doing shit but not the parts....

But then I tell everyone about the shit service and what happend and not recomend them at all....
so as far as I'm concerned that will hurt them a lot more then refunding me...

And this was a shop that is a dealer... if you see what I ride and where im from then that will tell you who it was

[fireliv]

Good on ya 3umph for just taking the ticket as well. Unlike on the other thread thats doing the rounds at the moment, you accepted it and paid the ticket, not blamed someone else for not prewarning you about the cop in the first place (may not have been possible in your situation though). Yup there a definately a lot of good cops out there- pity that people/media just focus on the bad ones.

[peasea]

No not joking at all....even after complaining to the boss and going to see him... got $70 back for labour of them doing shit but not the parts....

But then I tell everyone about the shit service and what happend and not recomend them at all....
so as far as I'm concerned that will hurt them a lot more then refunding me...

And this was a shop that is a dealer... if you see what I ride and where im from then that will tell you who it was

They need taking to Consumer Affairs, the MTA, whatever. The fact remains, if you did NOT authorise the work, they can get fucked.

I say you name them.

[3umph]

They need taking to Consumer Affairs, the MTA, whatever. The fact remains, if you did NOT authorise the work, they can get fucked.

I say you name them.

I'm sure I brought it up after it happened on here... In the past year I have steered a few people away from them for repairs and sales of bikes... and I will continue doing it and telling people what happened when we are disussing bikes....

And the work was done over a year ago now...

[3umph]

Good on ya 3umph for just taking the ticket as well. Unlike on the other thread thats doing the rounds at the moment, you accepted it and paid the ticket, not blamed someone else for not prewarning you about the cop in the first place (may not have been possible in your situation though). Yup there a definately a lot of good cops out there- pity that people/media just focus on the bad ones.

Have not payed for it.... maybe I should ask for donations..... nah fuck it i'll just pay it

[KAWA Z]

all clean to report and handed me the ticket... $120 and 20 demerits...

We then had about a 5-10 minute chat about bikes and some of the chases that had happened some ending good and some not so good...


Geeez, when I read this one ! You might as well kissed his feet and thanked him for booking you ! Never read some schizo shit like that before ! The porker was out there to get you and he got you, so you go on chattering along with him for ages later ??? Sorry mate, my personality profile doesn't match that ! I would have taken it with pride and would have taken off as fast as I could because I don't wanna get "Swine Flu" !
They're NOT out there to make friends with ya, they're out there to book ya, demerit and bleed the $ from ya so they get the merit and the $ and nothing else but that !
Do you also ride with light blue or even pink goggles on ?

[terbang]

Dangerous

Yeah I do realise that my own daughter could be coming the other way. But often silly drunk twats just need a bit of preventative guidance to help them grow up and become much more responsible citizens.
My own daughter did her share of silly twat things when younger, got a bit of guidance and a couple of breaks from our law enforcers to lead her to where she is now. Holding a professional aviators certificate, a future and as a result is a very responsible young lady.
A criminal record would not have allowed that to have happened. You can either educate, or you can legislate.

[pc220]

all clean to report and handed me the ticket... $120 and 20 demerits...

We then had about a 5-10 minute chat about bikes and some of the chases that had happened some ending good and some not so good...


Geeez, when I read this one ! You might as well kissed his feet and thanked him for booking you ! Never read some schizo shit like that before ! The porker was out there to get you and he got you, so you go on chattering along with him for ages later ??? Sorry mate, my personality profile doesn't match that ! I would have taken it with pride and would have taken off as fast as I could because I don't wanna get "Swine Flu" !
They're NOT out there to make friends with ya, they're out there to book ya, demerit and bleed the $ from ya so they get the merit and the $ and nothing else but that !
Do you also ride with light blue or even pink goggles on ?
Gee you are a real badass mofo aye.And when someone steals your badass stead, who ya gonna go crying to ?.....

[yod]

Geeez, when I read this one ! You might as well kissed his feet and thanked him for booking you ! Never read some schizo shit like that before ! The porker was out there to get you and he got you, so you go on chattering along with him for ages later ??? Sorry mate, my personality profile doesn't match that ! I would have taken it with pride and would have taken off as fast as I could because I don't wanna get "Swine Flu" !
They're NOT out there to make friends with ya, they're out there to book ya, demerit and bleed the $ from ya so they get the merit and the $ and nothing else but that !
Do you also ride with light blue or even pink goggles on ?

oh ffs....

you're 12, right?

[3umph]

all clean to report and handed me the ticket... $120 and 20 demerits...

We then had about a 5-10 minute chat about bikes and some of the chases that had happened some ending good and some not so good...


Geeez, when I read this one ! You might as well kissed his feet and thanked him for booking you ! Never read some schizo shit like that before ! The porker was out there to get you and he got you, so you go on chattering along with him for ages later ??? Sorry mate, my personality profile doesn't match that ! I would have taken it with pride and would have taken off as fast as I could because I don't wanna get "Swine Flu" !
They're NOT out there to make friends with ya, they're out there to book ya, demerit and bleed the $ from ya so they get the merit and the $ and nothing else but that !
Do you also ride with light blue or even pink goggles on ?
Was he out to get me... no he was not... he was not the highway patroll but an officer returning from a job and thought i was going to fast...

I did accept the ticket and no did not kiss his feet... I respect he has a job to do and TBH one I would not like to do...
Who said they are there to make friend... not me but whats wrong with having a conversation.... and guess what it was about bikes.....
FFS are police not aloud to have a life either...

Its attitude like yours that when you get pulled up or the police are around give the police more reason to be harder or have an attitude back...

[KAWA Z]

@ 3 umph
Just saw where you live mate ! Good old ChCh, where cops are still nice people ! Good on yer ! I live in the greater Auckland area and sadly, cops here aren't !
They declared bikers as their favorite prey to gather brownie points and the rest, riding here is like runniing the gauntlet and their constant and obvious presence really puts a damper on a day out on two wheels. Sure, there's a few hoons around here who need to be put into their spot, but the rest of us is paying the price.
I don't count myself to that category, I've been ridin for 35 years mate ! But my aversion against bacon is there and it's just ! At least for me !

[3umph]

There are hoons everywhere that need to be put in there place... just look at all the news stories about the chch boyracers...

Some like the police... some do not...some are good cops some are not, but in the end who do you call if your bike or cage is stolen, or your house is robbed... or someone you know is raped...or, or, or and the list goes on...

They are doing there job... some good and some well rather questionable at times... that happens in all jobs... I myself would not want to do there job... going to murder and accident scenes scraping body parts up... I dont care how good you are it has to affect them some how...

Also when people have have been pulled up who knows what the officers last job was or the attitude of the last person he/she has pulled up... that may have a big bearing on how they respond to you or treat you... even tho it shouldn't it does happen...

This topic was mainly to show that not all people stopped from the police do not have bad experiences.... like the ones we always hear about...
I just thought I would post up my experience and that it was not the he made this up or did me for something I did not do... just a policeman doing his job... he was friendly and a normal person, not smug or obnoxious... yeas he did relieve me of some money and put some demerits on my licence, but hell I was speeding and I know the consequences when I get caught.

[PuppetMaster]

some are good cops some are not

Some are rapists. Sounds like you got lucky and this one ownly raped your wallet.

[3umph]

Some are rapists. Sounds like you got lucky and this one ownly raped your wallet.

There are rapists in all communities... some caught and some not...

I dont class it as being raped of my money... as I have said I chose to speed...I played the game and I got caught so I pay my dues...

[Tink]

blipping thru this thread I have come to the simple thoughts of.... hell if your 18 or 60.... it don't matter, a 60 yr old can get angry at the copper... and the 18 yr old goes whatever, I did the crime I pay the fine.... or vice versa... for me I like the fact the fine was accepted and he moved on... I would prob spit the dummy at myself for speeding and then getting caught.... but still pay the fine. Curiously tho the people that got done for DIC in this thread... I would prefer keys off them before they entered car, to save one life is better than paying a fine for DIC...and hope like hell they don't do it again... TUI.

[KiWiP]

Toodling home from work, drongo pulls out right in front of me I have to swing out round him (two lanes so ok and did have time to check space) give a bit of a blip on the throttle to 'fly past' so go over 50. When I pull in I see copper has pulled into traffic from somewhere. 'Crap' how much did I do wrong/did he see?
He follows for a few K of which along the way I have a family wagon pull out in front of me so have to emergency brake, Copper luckily doesn't rear end me and my nuts are only a little retracted. A quick cough to get the boys back in place and we're underway again. Up to a transit lane and I pull over into it and drop to 48kmh hoping he'll get bored and sod off. He does, but as he crawls past me I look across and he's got the biggest smile on his face and waving like crazy. then off he goes. I laughed because he obviousley loved putting the shitters up little learners like me.