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Sniper
8th May 2005, 08:22
Ok guys, Ive had it.
Just reading about some of the newbies on the site and also chatting to a few and they all seem to think that binning is funny. Ok, well if they think injuring themselves is funny well fuck em. I know my first bin was scary as shit ans it was due to someone hitting me, not me fooling around.
A bit of common sense guys and you can avoid all those doctors bills and repair bills. I only say this out of courtesy and respect of Flyin/Sam and the greatest man I ever knew, my father!
Dad passed away on Friday on his 50th birthday. For his own birthday present he went out and bought a BMW RS100 which I got the phone call and pictures about 45mins before the crash. Dad had been riding for years and knew dangers and how to get out of the, unfortunatly kangaroo's dont share the same general knowledge and one hopped out in front of him. This was all witnessed by my mum and my 14 year old sister as the were following him into town (Alice Springs, NT, Australia). I can only imagine what they are going through.
So to all you little fuckwits out there who think binning is funny, to you I say grow a fucken brain and use it!!! Its not funny and great people get hurt and even die!
RIP Dad, I will always remember you! Thanks for teaching me how to ride and how to drive a car. Thanks for all the life skills you offered me and for raising me to be the proud rider I am today. Dad I salute you because it was you who put me in the right mindset for the army and for pushing me during my selection training to be the best. I will never forget the life you led and the great lessons you taught me. RIP Dad
jazbug5
8th May 2005, 08:32
Mate, I don't know what to say- well, there is nothing to say, except sorry. It sounds like he was a wonderful guy.
So sorry that you have lost him so soon.
As for the newbies crashing? Isn't this just bravado trying to downplay it for reasons of fear and embarrassment..?
Antallica
8th May 2005, 08:35
Sorry to hear it me old mate. I'm glad he got one last ride.
May he RIP.
A bit more seriousness is needed for most learners as they perform their trial and error, as others may be or know someone who is experiencing the after effects of a major bin. Might pay to keep it among friends or low key perhaps so to not offend the real victims.
I'm really sorry to hear about your dad sniper.
I totally agree with you, binning is not funny, in my first bin I was just lucky I was going about 45km/h and not 100km/h.
Gixxer 4 ever
8th May 2005, 08:57
Sorry to hear this Sniper. Take care buddy. It was good you had such a great Father and still have some family. :niceone: Feel the pain but remember the good times. Rest in Peace Mr Sniper you moulded a great kid.
surfchick
8th May 2005, 08:58
sniper- you take care.
jesus that's terrible.
Sniper
8th May 2005, 09:01
I find the best way to deal with the sadness is to get angry and god do I hate kangaroo's, do we have any in New zealand that I can shoot!!!
James Deuce
8th May 2005, 09:04
I find the best way to deal with the sadness is to get angry and god do I hate kangaroo's, do we have any in New zealand that I can shoot!!!
Now there's an idea. The Wellington Zoo looks a bit shabby. I'm sure it could do with a clean out.
Really sorry to hear this mate. Take care, and take 10 deep breaths before you go Roo Postal. That way you'll be nice and calm, and won't use so many rounds.
Paul in NZ
8th May 2005, 09:06
Ah - dammit....
Thats not good. Truely sorry to hear that. Sincere condolences to you and yours....
Paul in NZ
Gixxer 4 ever
8th May 2005, 09:11
I find the best way to deal with the sadness is to get angry and god do I hate kangaroo's, do we have any in New zealand that I can shoot!!!
NO but you have a good attitude to life. Getting the anger out is a hard learnt lesson and many people don't know how to do it with out damaging stuff and people around them. I think you can teach a few some stuff. Take care....Tell you what if I see one I will shoot it for ya.......
Condolences for you and your family. Really sorry to hear what happened, hope you are alright.
But yes I do share the same viewpoint about the recent "haha first bin" threads, don't see what is funny about crashing. It should be, damn, I stuffed up and had a crash, now I know what happens in a crash and I am a better rider for it. We all make mistakes and misjudge things sometimes, but who cares, get over it and take it like a man, admit you stuffed up.
jimbo600
8th May 2005, 09:16
Bloody hell mate. What a terrible loss. Had my old man die a few years back and it damn well hurts.
Sorry mate.
dangerous
8th May 2005, 09:16
Dad passed away on Friday on his 50th birthday.
Fuk man.....................
thats a serious kick in the guts for your family and you, so sorry mate..... best wishs to the family, will take a while to get over too, my Dad died 6months ago, and I still havent got my head around it aye.
I find the best way to deal with the sadness is to get angry and god do I hate kangaroo's, do we have any in New zealand that I can shoot!!!
No Roos but down this way there are wallabys running wild....... but then mate, I bet the Roo dident plan on its day ending like that aye :no: :ride:
Badcat
8th May 2005, 09:17
sniper - i lost my dad 18 months ago.
you certainly have my sympathy.Mine died a mess in a dreary hospital - all his dignity, strength and personality stripped away.
i hope you're OK dude.
i know that losing my parents has been devastating to me, but i've gained a little strength and been made aware of the love of my family and friends.
of course i have no idea what you're going through, i just hope that you feel a little comforted that your friends here are thinking of you.
ken
Ms Piggy
8th May 2005, 09:56
My thoughts are with you and your family.
There has been so much tradgedy lately. I hope it makes us all take more care out there.
Sniper, I am really sorry to hear about your loss... loosing your father is most probably one of the hardest things that can happen to a person :( well for me it was anyway.
Stay strong, find happiness in the love and togetherness you shared.
Take care.
Joanne
GROOMER
8th May 2005, 10:09
Hey dude, I don't personally know you, or obviously your family, but its obviously a huge loss in anyones views. Really sorry to hear that mate. Just remember....if you're feeling the anger coming out again, stay away from your bike ay....thats the worst time to ride.
Keep safe.
Adam
Sensei
8th May 2005, 10:19
Condolences to you & you Family & friends . I only hope that all these Tragedys will stop happening soon . But life does go on , sometimes in ways that don't make alot of since to us at the Time . Sorry to hear this news .
riffer
8th May 2005, 10:21
My most sincere condolences Sniper. My parents are very much alive, and I don't look forward to them eventually passing away.
Life (and death) is a funny thing. Don't try and make sense of it - there isn't any that we can understand. And that's probably as it should be.
I'll be thinking of you. Kia kaha.
That sucks man. My condolences on your sad loss. I suspect that kangaroos are like cows . Wander out (hop out) in front of you, then freakin' stop and stare at you , with that 'duhhh' look. It's a good many years now since I lost my father but it is still a sad memory.
Ghost Lemur
8th May 2005, 10:27
Sorry to hear about your Dad sniper. :(
Hope your mum and sister are holding up.
Are you going over to be with them?
Sounds like your dad was an amazing guy and was extremely happy with his new baby. I know it doesn't help but I do like to think that a life ended doing something you love is more worthwhile than 10 lives that are never lived. Doesn't help the pain the loved ones left behind feel.
If there's anything we can do, don't be too proud to ask.
inlinefour
8th May 2005, 10:27
There are enough dickheads on the road without having young dumb arses thinking that crapping off a bike is cool. I'd have to say that you have not crapped off hard enough if your dumb enough to be thinking this! I don't think individuals should be allowed to own a motorcycle if they have this sort of attitude. My rego is expensive enough thanks, pull your head in and give your neck a rest!!!!!!! :mad:
So sorry to hear about the loss of your father Sniper. My sympathies are with you and your family & friends at this time.
Matthew
So sorry to hear that Sniper.
My condolences to you and your family.
enigma51
8th May 2005, 11:06
Sorry to hear about your dad sniper condolences to you and your family
Ramius
8th May 2005, 11:08
Well, there is not a lot I can add here which has not already been said, except to say that my sympathies are with you and your family.
StoneChucker
8th May 2005, 11:20
Stuart, I'm truly sorry to hear about this. My dad is the same age, and I can't even imagine it. Know that all of us here, are here for you if you need an ear, hand or anything else.
From what I've read, and from meeting you, your dad has done a fine job in raising a decent man, in his own light I suspect. Your dad sounds like a good man, who is obviously already missed.
Stay strong.
Dave.
I'm very sorry to read of your loss Sniper. My Mother died after a long illness so I didn't experience the anger you are going through, but it did take a long time to come to terms with.
I have felt for a while that people on this site don't take crashing seriously enough. Perhaps it is from watching SBK and MotoGP where people stand up and walk away from +200km/h crashes without a scratch? The road is much less forgiving and much less predictable.
Coyote
8th May 2005, 11:24
Bloody hell, feel for ya man
I'm lucky my few bins have been on the track, and not too serious, and they were definately not funny
Take care Sniper. Sorry to hear about your loss, and my best wishes go out to you and your family. Try and conentrate on the good times if you can. :niceone:
As for the yung uns bumping their gums about the fun of binning - It's a testosterone thing. The same lethal hormone that makes boi racers hoon.
They'll soon stop finding it funny when their insurance bills and excess go through the roof, loose a friend or someone they know, or hurt/main themselves or worse.
My thoughts are with you buddy.
Sorry for your loss, Sniper.
I'm always weiry about 'roos when I go bush, but tin tops in the city are just about more scary.
Marty
Coyote
8th May 2005, 11:30
As for the yung uns bumping their gums about the fun of binning - It's a testosterone thing. The same lethal hormone that makes boi racers hoon.
They should have more track days for guys like this. I'm relatively conservative on the road because I'm able to race around often on the dirt or on the track, Boi racers should have a chance to be high and mighty on the track instead of running people over on the road
Sniper
8th May 2005, 11:32
Thanks guys, the support I get, even if its not in person is a great help.
From what I've read, and from meeting you, your dad has done a fine job in raising a decent man, in his own light I suspect. Your dad sounds like a good man, who is obviously already missed.
Well put SC. I am reminded of the saying "the apple dosent fall far from the tree"
My condolences to you and your family Sniper.
soundbeltfarm
8th May 2005, 12:07
sincere condolences mate.
may your father RIP .
be strong mate.
karl
Sparky Bills
8th May 2005, 12:09
Man, that terrible news.
Hang in there buddy!
We are here if ya need us. :niceone:
Hey sniper, sorry to hear mate. If your still around in wellington give us a holler and we can catch up for a drink. I too lost a family member earlier this year, and had only recently moved to wellington so know how tough it is to be away from your friends and family at this time.
On anothoer note, im sure the guys who did crash and laugh about it on this site had no intention of crashing, and no intention of pissing anyone off. It was most likely just their way of dealing with it, and staying positive?
Hope your ok dude.
scumdog
8th May 2005, 12:21
Man, what a blow!! My condolences, little I can say that will help.
He was still young (younger than myself) and what a tragic way to go.
Beemer
8th May 2005, 12:25
That's really sad news Sniper, 50 is way too young to die no matter what the circumstances. My heart goes out to you and also your mother and sister, what a thing to witness.
As for binning it, that is one thing I never want to experience thank you! I have come off a dirt bike at low speed and that hurt enough; I have no desire to do it on the open road at high speed. I think many younger riders think they are invincible and they do see riders come off on the track and think that resembles real life. Well, it doesn't - in real life there are cars, trucks, power poles, brick walls, cliffs, gullies and livestock. The accidents on the track don't normally involve head-on collisions with any of the above, and although they are often at high speed, most of the injuries involve broken bones and wrecked bikes, not wrecked lives.
Anyone who has had a bad crash or witnessed one would no doubt put these guys right about the effect it has on everyone. The older I get, the older I want to get, and binning it is one thing I'll happily go without!
Hell man, thats real bad news - my sincere condolences. As SD said, still young (younger than myself - me too).
While nothing we can say can make it any better, at least he was doing something he enjoyed. It makes it even harder that you are here and your Mum and Sister are there...
Take care man.
That's shitty Sniper.
My condolences and best wishes to you and your family.
Hitcher
8th May 2005, 13:35
Sad news, Sniper.
inlinefour
8th May 2005, 14:27
Its allways hard loosing someone important...
So sorry to read of your loss, Sniper. If it's any consolation, it sounds like your Dad was one to live life to the fullest - when it is time to 'check out', it is the things that we could have but didn't do that we regret.
RiderInBlack
8th May 2005, 14:54
Really sad to hearing that your Dad's death.
Does remind us that even experinced riders can get caught out.
As for laughing about having crashed, I think ZXR250_NZ hit it on the nail
On anothoer note, im sure the guys who did crash and laugh about it on this site had no intention of crashing, and no intention of pissing anyone off. It was most likely just their way of dealing with it, and staying positive?Laughter can be away of emotionally dealing with life's near misses. Often you are laughing at your own stupidity. It's about controlling your fears. Too much fear is as bad as not enough. If you take life's near misses too seriously you end-up a nervious wreck, too afraid to do anything. On the other hand, if you take them too lighty, they with adventually catch you out. Life is about finding the balance.
Sorry to hear about it mate. Hope you and your family are getting thorugh it ok and are surrounded by supporting folk.
vifferman
8th May 2005, 15:02
So sorry to hear about your Dad.
My thoughts are with you.
-Ian.
Sorry to hear more sad news on here. 50 is way to young to die.
Condolences to you Sniper and your family
justsomeguy
8th May 2005, 15:59
Sorry to hear about your loss Sniper.....try and relax......sorry.....
As for the juvenile delinquents....... they aren't happy they fell off...... they are just trying to look at the brightside, be optimistic and move on with their life; happy that it was what it was.
Otherwise, some of them may never have ridden again due to them being unable to get over the circumstances.
Looks like a bad patch for all of us.....
one of the things i always struggle with - why do the good guys go first?
hope you can get over there asap to support your family
between bikers falling off and pilots falling out of the sky it's been a sobering week...
it's been a sobering week...
I know Marty... I'm starting not to know what to say anymore, it seems to be challenging times for so many people.
Makes me think of my mate Wkids saying "You are never promised tomorrow", so I reckon let the people that count know that you love them, and make the most of everyday.
Be safe out there guys... :ride:
Jamezo
8th May 2005, 17:50
damn, what are the odds.... sorry man.
though I am glad this thread wasn't about Brian Tamaki...
Coyote
8th May 2005, 18:17
though I am glad this thread wasn't about Brian Tamaki...
And it's not going to turn into one, isn't it?
StoneChucker
8th May 2005, 18:23
though I am glad this thread wasn't about Brian Tamaki...
I don't get it? Aside from there being a type/grammar error in that (imho), this isn't the place for that (again, imho)...
Maybe I just don't get it :no:
I find the best way to deal with the sadness is to get angry and god do I hate kangaroo's, do we have any in New zealand that I can shoot!!!
I THINK YOU CAN SHOOT WALLABYS WITH A PERMIT ON KAWAU ISLAND
Indiana_Jones
8th May 2005, 18:51
People like crashing? :confused:
-Indy
Jamezo
8th May 2005, 19:28
I don't get it? Aside from there being a type/grammar error in that (imho), this isn't the place for that (again, imho)...
Maybe I just don't get it :no:
enough is enough?
I feel unloved... :cold:
They should have more track days for guys like this.
Don't talk to me about f'in track days. :mad:
...Just reading about some of the newbies on the site and also chatting to a few and they all seem to think that binning is funny...
Hey Sniper,
My condolences to you and your family. We hear about these "he bought a new bike and 1 day later..." stories, but I for one have never known someone who it actually happened to.
As to some of the comments on the site, yes bins are serious, but I think some of the comments posted up here are more a form of therapy than piss-taking. This weekend, I was on the newbie run and Ricksta came off right in front of me on a fairly slow corner. As we went into it, I thought to myself "Hell, he's a bit upright and he might not make it". I had already started my turn and was headed to the apex when he hit the gravel and slid down into a ditch. Shock aside, I kept to my line, got through the corner then slowed, stopped did a u-turn and went back where a few others had already stopped. Now at this time, I was shaking a bit as I didn't know how he was. This changed to relief, then anger (that he could put us through this) then all the way round to humour in the space of a few minutes.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if someone jokes about a bin where no-one got hurt, they're probably trying to let of steam and reduce the stress. I for one, am glad that I joked about Rickstas bin otherwise that corner would have won and I'm not sure if I'd be confident riding that road again.
StoneChucker
8th May 2005, 22:40
enough is enough?
I feel unloved... :cold:
OHHHHHH :whistle: Sorry, but I did say maybe I just don't get it, and I didn't :msn-wink:
I'm with you now :yes:
250learna
8th May 2005, 23:14
First of all sorry bout your dad, may he RIP.
I have riden my m8s bikes on an odd ocasion for a year or two now, but i have only goten my licence a month ago and a bike bout 2 weeks before than, and i gota tell you i dont know how someone can be excited about falling off.I have not done it yet perhaps because im to scared of doing so, so i am testing my limits at my own leisure and staying within my limit...
was close to having an accident two days ago tho because some lady was giving me way as i was turning and tehn decided to take her foot of the break, i twisted the wrist to avoid being hit and heded for the cerb, then breaks... and just managed to stop in time, scary stuff
im a safe rider :ride:
I'm sorry to hear your story, I think its ok for the rider to laugh about minor incidents that are their fault as this is just part of the acceptance proccess larger crashes are nothing to be laughed about its just not funny at all, I have not being able to laugh at any of mine except the one where I crashed the ZZR the last time before I gave up on it, as that was just my fault.
Just how I feel sorry if it insults you
Madmax
8th May 2005, 23:26
will allways remember when my dad went,
He came to NZ though SA had a lot of good tails
to tell.
he worked for bectell?
I was bought up in gove round the gulf of carp,(2-10)
and now have some tails of my own to tell.
crazy place to live and i still hate roos, water buffs,
sea snakes, ETC
scumdog
9th May 2005, 08:18
I THINK YOU CAN SHOOT WALLABYS WITH A PERMIT ON KAWAU ISLAND
You can shoot them with a rifle near Waimate........
Lou Girardin
9th May 2005, 08:22
My condolences Sniper, and as for the rest of your post, absolutely right! I've never enjoyed a bin, although I laughed about them later. But that was just bravado.
Lou Girardin
9th May 2005, 08:25
You can shoot them with a rifle near Waimate........
Yeah, but have you seen what a permit does to them? Talk about exit wounds.
Sorry to hear that Sniper.
ManDownUnder
9th May 2005, 10:41
Sniper - condolences to you, family and all who knew him.
Sounds like your Mum and sister will need you close by at the moment too... I can't imagine what they've gone through seeing the accident happen...
Can't do any more than this - just know we're all thinking of you at the mo.
MDU
Sniper
9th May 2005, 11:44
Thanks for all the kind words and condolenses guys. I really appriciate them. I gues at this tim I just need to concentrate on getting my head down and working cause if I think too much about it, I get a wee bit angry that it happened and I couldnt be there to help him.
Sorry, enough of the sob story.
James Deuce
9th May 2005, 11:48
Thanks for all the kind words and condolenses guys. I really appriciate them. I gues at this tim I just need to concentrate on getting my head down and working cause if I think too much about it, I get a wee bit angry that it happened and I couldnt be there to help him.
Sorry, enough of the sob story.
There's never enough of that particular sob story mate.
Keep talking or the anger becomes all consuming. It's called a grieving process for a reason. Keep sharing - we don't mind at all.
madboy
9th May 2005, 14:01
Sniper, only just read this thread. My condolences to you and your family in this difficult time.
You can shoot them with a rifle near Waimate........
I CANT BELIEVE YOUR TRYING TO BE FUNNY IN THIS THREAD
meister
9th May 2005, 18:55
'scuse my ignorance Sniper and co, what's "binning"? and i'm not trying to be funny...
Sutage
9th May 2005, 19:21
binning is falling off
sorry to hear about your father
but me and ricksta just had small ones, plus we learnt from them and noone was hurt so hope it wasnt directed at us !
The Tazman
9th May 2005, 19:37
Ok guys, Ive had it.
Just reading about some of the newbies on the site and also chatting to a few and they all seem to think that binning is funny. Ok, well if they think injuring themselves is funny well fuck em. I know my first bin was scary as shit ans it was due to someone hitting me, not me fooling around.
A bit of common sense guys and you can avoid all those doctors bills and repair bills. I only say this out of courtesy and respect of Flyin/Sam and the greatest man I ever knew, my father!
Dad passed away on Friday on his 50th birthday. For his own birthday present he went out and bought a BMW RS100 which I got the phone call and pictures about 45mins before the crash. Dad had been riding for years and knew dangers and how to get out of the, unfortunatly kangaroo's dont share the same general knowledge and one hopped out in front of him. This was all witnessed by my mum and my 14 year old sister as the were following him into town (Alice Springs, NT, Australia). I can only imagine what they are going through.
So to all you little fuckwits out there who think binning is funny, to you I say grow a fucken brain and use it!!! Its not funny and great people get hurt and even die!
RIP Dad, I will always remember you! Thanks for teaching me how to ride and how to drive a car. Thanks for all the life skills you offered me and for raising me to be the proud rider I am today. Dad I salute you because it was you who put me in the right mindset for the army and for pushing me during my selection training to be the best. I will never forget the life you led and the great lessons you taught me. RIP Dad
Oh Shite I am sorry to hear this Sniper. I lost my dad a few years back now he was a little older at 61, it stinks. My thoughts are with you.
As for all you newbies and youngsters there is a saying that you can not put an old head on young shoulders. Untill you start listening to the more experienced riders you WILL keep injuring yourselves and dying!!!!!!
You all seem to forget that they were once your age and inside still are (well most of them) but they carry some life experiences with it!!
Start listening to them and you will have more fun!!!!!!
Taz
pillion
9th May 2005, 22:10
Sorry to hear of your recent loss. My thoughts are with you and your family at this time. I lost my father when I was just 4 years old - so I never really knew him at all.
Take care
scumdog
9th May 2005, 23:49
I CANT BELIEVE YOUR TRYING TO BE FUNNY IN THIS THREAD
Neither can I... but I was so :bleh: to you!!!!
And I still have the utmost sympathy and concern for Mr Sniper and his bereavement and that of his family at the shocking tragic loss.
binning is falling off
sorry to hear about your father
but me and ricksta just had small ones, plus we learnt from them and noone was hurt so hope it wasnt directed at us !
No, nothing is intended by anyone towards you or anybody in particular.
But [just a minute while Nana puts on her hat and adjusts her support stockings], do remember that it was luck that noone was hurt. It would only have needed a car coming the other way at the wrong moment for someone to be *very* hurt. That's why there is no such thing as a "little" bin, though he consequences may be little if you are lucky [Noone lectures like Nana. Can you see the gently wagging finger ?]
Remember , black squishy bits down, pink squishy bits up , always. And SLOW DOWN
(no disrespect to you or your father Mr Sniper_CBR, and I know that sometimes, as in his case, speed is not the issue. And I don't mean to hijack the thread.)
And we are all very glad that no-one was hurt, and pleased that you have learnt from the incidents (by the way, *what* have you learnt ?)
Ride safe, have fun! :ride: :ride:
Gah, I'm starting to sound like the :Police: , and I don't even get paid for it. Or get a cool BMW oilhead to ride.
Sniper
10th May 2005, 08:49
(no disrespect to you or your father Mr Sniper_CBR, and I know that sometimes, as in his case, speed is not the issue. And I don't mean to hijack the thread.)
None taken Ixion, I can see what you are trying to say and I respect your comments.
Stu
Motoracer
10th May 2005, 12:49
Very sorry to hear that Stu.
RIP to your father.
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