Rant: filtering

[R-Soul]

*rant* Here is some advice for newbies and experienced riders: If you are not going to be filtering down teh middle of teh lanes betwene cars, then dont ride there!!! FFS if you dont want to filter, a rider behind you may still want to.

When you stay on or close to the middle line, it leaves the riders behind you in doubt, and they dont know if they can go past or not, or if you will pull out suddenly and start filtering. so be considerate, show some intent, and indicate and move over far to the left.

[CookMySock]

When you stay on or close to the middle line, it leaves the riders behind you in doubt, and they dont know if they can go past or not, or if you will pull out suddenly and start filtering.If you don't think it's safe, then it probably isn't. Don't go. If you feel impatient and frustrated about that, then fucking deal with it.

This comes up on KB all the time. "Noob, get the fuck outa my way while I'm filtering."

Well its not their problem, it's yours.

Steve

[98tls]

:wacko:Been living in paradise so long id forgotten what its like to ride/live in a city,thanks for reminding me how lucky i am,only filtering i bother with is through the still out back.;)

[The Everlasting]

Should be common sense really!! :doh:

[98tls]

Should be common sense really!! :doh:

Auckland and common sense:rofl::rofl:Sounds like a fucking Tui ad.

[The Everlasting]

Haha..:p

There are some aucklanders that use it..:rofl:

[Genie]

Must be an Auckland thing, what is this filtering you be speaking off? sounds rather dodgy and I wonder is it legal?
Before anyone starts in giving me shit on ignorance I've only been on the bike two weeks so you can keep your smartarse comments to yourself...thank you.
One never learns unless one ask questions.

[Tryhard]

[QUOTE=Genie;1129635216]Must be an Auckland thing, what is this filtering you be speaking off? sounds rather dodgy and I wonder is it legal?

Lane splitting m8. I wouldnt risk it because I'm not good enough to react in an emergency. Yet!

[Genie]

right, thanks for that. Not really an issue down in sunny little Nelson.

[CookMySock]

sounds rather dodgy and I wonder is it legal?It feels dodgy too, slipping past stationary traffic like you are on a bicycle. It is half the reason why biking is fun. :niceone:

Splitting and filtering is quite clearly provided for in law, but it wouldn't take too much poor behaviour from bikers to provoke the govt into "clarifying" the issue.

Steve


Steve

[Flip]

It's a north island thing.

Don't do it down here much. Filtering is some thing we do to bad coffee.

I don't like doing it myself, well actually the bike has luggage and highway pegs so it is as wide as a small car. The other bike has a side car which limits my options.

[jeffs]

It's a north island thing.

Don't do it down here much. Filtering is some thing we do to bad coffee.

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Filtering would not be legal in Auckland, no wonder the police frown on it . That must be a South Island thing, We only drink real mens coffee, like

Skinny vanilla latte double shot fluffys.

[Slyer]

You guys say you don't filter?
I filter up to the front of traffic lights 9 times out of 10. Means I don't have to wait for the slow bastard in front of me to get up to 50.
Even if there's a single car I still do it. It's especailly important when at the last traffic lights before a 100kph zone, saves me having to pass them further up the road.
At a give way intersection I filter up to behind the front car and then go with it.
It's not all about the motorways, surely you have traffic lights and intersections in the south island?

[Genie]

Traffic lights and interesections.....uuuummmmm. Ice blocks and drinks - yummy

Of course we have them down here :lol: We not that far behind.
You have described the manoeuvre to this blonde very well, thankyou. Haven't done it on my beast as yet, but hell always do it on the treddly!

[Swoop]

People new to filtering need to be aware of their 6-o'clock area. Check mirrors regularly but maintain your focus ahead of you.
Same goes for harley riders attempting to filter in Auckland traffic.


To the chap on the brand new cbr1000, new leathers and virginal knee sliders who was obviously commuting to work... Being hunched down with your chest on the tank is not the wisest of filtering positions. Yes, you were spotted on the NW.

[Gone Burger]

So yes, I'm definately new to filtering. Have been riding 6 months and did it for the first time in Wellington traffic the other day. I was waiting for a comfortable moment. Thankfully, the bike infront of me was a large touring bike, and when he decided there was enough room for him, I zipped in behind him with my tiny wee bike. I was pretty stoaked actually.

I am always very aware of other riders who want to filter, even if I don't. Plenty of room to get past me. But I have realsied that in rush hour traffic crawling on the highway with a cold bike, stop start absolutely sucks! So quite keen to gain more confidence with the whole filtering skill.

What I would like to know though... is it legal? I know that "technically" you are supposed to only overtake on the right hand side of the lane, but theres near impossible with where people place their cars. I went passed an unmarked poilce car through the middle, ad could see him frowning at me greatly. Can they ticket you for doing this, even though so many people do? Sorry, I'm still learning.

Thanks for your help.

[Berries]

There are quite a few threads on the legality, here's a recent one - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117065-Interesting-road-rule

Just take it easy when following someone else. Because the bike in front will restrict your view you may not see the reason why they suddenly have to hit the brakes.

[R-Soul]

If you don't think it's safe, then it probably isn't. Don't go. If you feel impatient and frustrated about that, then fucking deal with it.

This comes up on KB all the time. "Noob, get the fuck outa my way while I'm filtering."

Well its not their problem, it's yours.

Steve

Yes I acknowledge it is my problem, but what is man if not a problem solver?
But its my problem because they are inconsiderate/unsure of proper biker etiquette. And it is exactly because I am cautious that it is my problem- I could just zoom through without caution, and probably scare them and maybe miss any possible dangers, with me becoming a danger to all. Instead I sit for ages behind them, revving hard and cautiously hooting, until I am absolutely sure that they have seen me.

But I should not have to. Its something that can be solved by eductaion of riders and especially noobs. HENCE: Here I am, ranting to all and sundry.

Its all about education, so get off my case.

[R-Soul]

So yes, I'm definately new to filtering. Have been riding 6 months and did it for the first time in Wellington traffic the other day. I was waiting for a comfortable moment. Thankfully, the bike infront of me was a large touring bike, and when he decided there was enough room for him, I zipped in behind him with my tiny wee bike. I was pretty stoaked actually.

I am always very aware of other riders who want to filter, even if I don't. Plenty of room to get past me. But I have realsied that in rush hour traffic crawling on the highway with a cold bike, stop start absolutely sucks! So quite keen to gain more confidence with the whole filtering skill.

What I would like to know though... is it legal? I know that "technically" you are supposed to only overtake on the right hand side of the lane, but theres near impossible with where people place their cars. I went passed an unmarked poilce car through the middle, ad could see him frowning at me greatly. Can they ticket you for doing this, even though so many people do? Sorry, I'm still learning.

Thanks for your help.

The thing to remember about filtering is that when cars are going fast, they can change direction very quickly. When they are stationary, they can also do it quickly, but tend not to. they usually edge out first, giving you some warning.

Thats why I prefer filtering really slowly through faster (i.e. 80kph) moving cars (about 10kph more than them to be able to scrub off speed quickly if they change lanes in front of you). And maybe slightly faster through stationary cars (but not much - maybe 20kph faster).

[R-Soul]

As to teh legality, cops I have actually asked about filtering have said that I can do it "as long as I keep things safe".

The basic rule of thumb here is that if you do reckless things and cause admin for cops, then they will cause admin for you.

[CookMySock]

But I should not have to. Its something that can be solved by eductaion of riders and especially noobs.Thats stiff titty. If you dont like it, TOO BAD. You are not in a position to force, er, educate, any person to do anything, just as you rightly insist I may not do it to you.

There are lots of things in my life I wish I could change by pushing someone else around until they see it my way, but the reality is, that is pure fantasy.

Give it up. You can't DO anything about it except change yourself, so the sooner you start, the better.

Steve

[R-Soul]

Give it up. You can't DO anything about it except change yourself, so the sooner you start, the better.
Steve

Actually, that is where you are wrong- I AM doing something about it as we speak...

And I have no compunctions about you trying to "educate" me (even though your point seem to be largely to be obtuse). I am always willing to listen to a point. It does not mean that I will take it to heart. And actually I do see a glimmer of a point in that not expecting anything form others will result in me being less frustrated. But it does not make a strong enough point to stop me from trying to educate others anyway.

PS I am not "pushing" anyone around - just explaining bike etiquette.

[spajohn]

"But its my problem because they are inconsiderate/unsure of proper biker etiquette."

"Instead I sit for ages behind them, revving hard and cautiously hooting, until I am absolutely sure that they have seen me."

I don't accept this logic. Lane splitting is done at your own risk...I see enough riders that do so with no consideration for other riders or cars, they are the ones being inconsiderate - most likely you are too by your revving and honking. If you don't like that you can't "filter" as much as you like...get over yourself. Leave your ego at home.

I'm not saying I don't lane split, but only when I can, and usually when traffic is stopped or only moving slowly.

As for as the questions on legality the Road Code on this says:
"don't ride between rows of traffic or try to squeeze past a stopped vehicle in the same lane."

Not sure if that mean's it is law though, as opposed to just advice, but I've never had a problem with the law over splitting.

[Berries]

As for as the questions on legality the Road Code on this says:
"don't ride between rows of traffic or try to squeeze past a stopped vehicle in the same lane."

Not sure if that mean's it is law though.

No it doesn't, it is just a riding tip. The Road Code is a whole lot of tips for riding/driving, or as they put it a "user-friendly guide to New Zealand’s traffic law and safe driving practices."

Where it says "must" it is pretty likely to be backed up by a legislated Rule, but much of it isn't.

[R-Soul]

So how am I being inconsiderate?

The thing is that they have clearly indicated that lane splitting is OK in principle (by doing it themselves) . So for them to turn around afterwards, and then turn into an obstacle in that lane for no good reason, making it impossible for others to use, is completely selfish and inconsidearate.

They are not overtaking, they are not lane splitting, and they will not be in any danger by moving over a bit to allow others to use what is clearly an acceptable format of riding to them.

Thats like a car driver driving slowly between passing lanes on country roads, but speeding up over the passing lanes so nobody can overtake them.

[R-Soul]

they are the ones being inconsiderate - most likely you are too by your revving and honking.

The revving/honking is not constant and ongoing, or intended to scare of intimidate anybody - it is merely a way to ensure that the person has actually seen you. But once they have, and insist on being selfish, i dont go on about it. I just look for alternate ways around them.

And its got nothing to do with "ego". Its got to do with logic and consideration for others.

[spajohn]

You clearly think you are a considerate rider...and maybe you are. As both a rider and a car driver I move to the left to let bikes etc past when I'm able...but if I had someone honking and revving behind me I would think you are a complete arse. As you say, you don't keep at it so maybe it's not the same thing.

All that said and done...you don't seem to have taken criticism from this forum too well either...

[The Pastor]

*rant* Here is some advice for newbies and experienced riders: If you are not going to be filtering down teh middle of teh lanes betwene cars, then dont ride there!!! FFS if you dont want to filter, a rider behind you may still want to.

When you stay on or close to the middle line, it leaves the riders behind you in doubt, and they dont know if they can go past or not, or if you will pull out suddenly and start filtering. so be considerate, show some intent, and indicate and move over far to the left.

Q_Q som moar

[Pascal]

The thing is that they have clearly indicated that lane splitting is OK in principle (by doing it themselves) . So for them to turn around afterwards, and then turn into an obstacle in that lane for no good reason, making it impossible for others to use, is completely selfish and inconsidearate.

I've been guilty of that. Whilst still in the early months of riding, I tended to follow more experienced riders when splitting through the commute. As my confidence built I tried it a few times myself, but one day caught myself in a position where I did not feel as if the gaps (In stationary traffic) were big enough for my skill on two wheels. With nowhere else to go I was forced to wait until the cars started moving again and could then slot into a gap.

Unfortunately that left a more experienced rider caught up behind me, but hopefully he had the patience to notice the big yellow L plate and understand that it was simply a novice learning and that they'd gone as far as they felt comfortable. These days I'm better at scanning ahead and spotting how large the spaces are ahead and where I might need to duck from the right of the lane to the left around a car that's left a big gap, etc. to make sure that I don't clutter up the bikers' highways.

Either way, yeah. I agree there is a certain amount of consideration in making sure you don't hold others up. Just as there is a certain amount of consideration in understanding that others won't always be able or willing to do what you will. It cuts both ways.

[flyingcrocodile46]

All that said and done...you don't seem to have taken criticism from this forum too well either...

That's a bit of a stretch.

[R-Soul]

You clearly think you are a considerate rider...and maybe you are. As both a rider and a car driver I move to the left to let bikes etc past when I'm able...but if I had someone honking and revving behind me I would think you are a complete arse. As you say, you don't keep at it so maybe it's not the same thing.

All that said and done...you don't seem to have taken criticism from this forum too well either...

I told you I dont sit there like an idiot honking all the time - just once to be sure that you know I am there. You gon on about it like I am having a road rage fit. I sit there pateintly, fuming. Thats all.

And I accept that sometimes other will not be prepared to go where I am. Just like I wont do what other will in other situations. But then I wont obstruct them from going about their business either.

[R-Soul]

Either way, yeah. I agree there is a certain amount of consideration in making sure you don't hold others up. Just as there is a certain amount of consideration in understanding that others won't always be able or willing to do what you will. It cuts both ways.

Well said - Thats all I am saying.

[R-Soul]

All that said and done...you don't seem to have taken criticism from this forum too well either...

Thats because all criticism has been based on an unfounded idea of my behviour.

I like to think of myself as a damn considerate rider. And more importantly one that shows intent.
I think that is what frustrated me the most about the incident - the uncertainty. If the rider in front had stayed in the middle, and not gone through, then I would have accepted that they were not confident enough to take the gap. Fair enough- I also lack confidence in some situations. We all do. I would have been happy to wait for them to be happy with the gap.

But it was the fact that they moved slightly to the side. Enough to show they had no intention of filtering (i.e. directly behind the corner of a car in front) , but not enough to really be out of the way, and forcing a tightish squeeze for me.

If you are not interested in going further then get out of the way completely. On a bike, more space is good, most space better.

[R-Soul]

Just remember that whatever situation you get yourself into, you must be thinking "worst case scenario". So what happens when here I am squeezing past an inconsiderate rider with not much space to steer in, and a car starts pulling out? (Note this is hypothetical - it did not happen). So there is no space for either of us to be moving to the side, counter steering or even making a wide arc!

Yes, you can argue I should not have tried to go past when they did not allow me space, but it is like trying to pass a slow car in an area that is not a passiing zone in the incionsiderate driver scenario I talked about below.

There is give and take from both sides.

[CookMySock]

So how am I being inconsiderate? You aren't. You are just saying that your feelings are other peoples' responsibility, when they're not. They're yours'.


So for them to turn around afterwards, and then turn into an obstacle in that lane for no good reason, making it impossible for others to use, is completely selfish and inconsidearate. Boo hoo hoo. Sometimes people are. There isn't anything you can do about it.

This isn't a motorcycling lesson. This is a life lesson.

Hum the following after me, to the tune of "mary had a little lamb"

O~ "There's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it."

See? You're fucked. Give it up. There really IS nothing you can DO about it. You CANNOT MAKE anyone DO anything. Add to that, you cannot make anyone SEE what you mean, you cannot MAKE anyone understand you.

The sooner you get used to the idea, the easier your whole life will be.


Steve

[Maha]

Dangerous Tips.....!
Where everyone else..........is wrong.

[Deano]

Dangerous Tips.....!
Where everyone else..........is wrong.

Mind that child, the one with his hand on his cone. LOL

[riffer]

Dangerous Tips.....!
Where everyone else..........is wrong.

So what's new? Watch out he may go running to the mods about your meanness Maha...

[Maha]

So what's new? Watch out he may go running to the mods about your meanness Maha...

Im not mean, that bloody Deano Fulla is harsh though...:sweatdrop

[flyingcrocodile46]

See? You're fucked. Give it up. There really IS nothing you can DO about it. You CANNOT MAKE anyone DO anything. Add to that, you cannot make anyone SEE what you mean, you cannot MAKE anyone understand you.

The sooner you get used to the idea, the easier your whole life will be.
Steve


I know you already know what a wanker you are, so I will restrict my response to pointing out how wrong you are.

He can make a difference and probably already has with this thread. It doesn't always take extremes (as below) to get a message accross. Not all are as thick as you appear to be.

About a year ago I had the pleasure of re-educating a yarpie tard who was part of a group of ex co-workers that I was having drinks with. He observed my crash hat and made the following comment "I hate the way you bikies ride up between the lanes while I am crawling along stuck in traffic on the motorway. When I see a bike coming up in my rear vision mirror I move across to close the gap so he cant pass"

I won't bother typing all the nasty shit that I shoveled on him, suffice to say that he was well warned of the consequences if I caught him doing that.

As luck would have it, it was only a few weeks later that he tried that exact maneuver on me. Fortunately it didn't delay me as the car in the next lane over reacted and veered over to avoid him:laugh: so I was able to scoot between them took my hand off the throttle and smashed his wing mirror:kick: (not recommended due to the hell wobble that is created... almost lost it)

I have twice seen him on the motorway since (while I was in a cage) and he actually moved to make room for a lane splitter on one occasion ;)

[Str8 Jacket]

Mind that child, the one with his hand on his cone. LOL

In my opinion that is an absolutely brilliant post! :D

You must alway's look out for children when filtering.

[CookMySock]

Dangerous Tips.....!
Where everyone else..........is wrong.Logic, well-formed ideas, considered opinion? Let's hear them.

Steve

[Maha]

In my opinion that is an absolutely brilliant post! :D

You must alway's look out for children when filtering.

Not alot of filtering to done be in Edgecome though I would have thought?
Still, I guess Neil Armstrong didnt know to much about the Moon until he got there.

[Deano]

In my opinion that is an absolutely brilliant post! :D

You must alway's look out for children when filtering.

Shit I forgot to say it was just my opinion.


Not alot of filtering to done in Edgecome though I would have thought?
Still, I guess Neil Armstrong didnt know to much about the Moon until he got there.

Actually, this post is more brilliant.

[Maha]

Logic, well-formed ideas, considered opinion? Let's hear them.

Steve

Logic: Would suggest that you would fail as a stand-up comic.
Well-Formed Ideas and Considered opinion?.......refer Logic.

[CookMySock]

Logic: Would suggest that you would fail as a stand-up comic.
Well-Formed Ideas and Considered opinion?.......refer Logic.That's not logic. Thats insult, deliberate evade the issue. You're struggling aren't you?

I win. Again.

Steve

[Maha]

That's not logic. Thats insult, deliberate evade the issue. You're struggling aren't you?

I win. Again.

Steve

No not an insult at all, unless you wish to view that way, which logically speaking, will again suggest that you struggle to see the failings in your ways.

Deuce.

Mark

[Slyer]

Can the mod's just add a permanent warning to DB's status or something?
I'd hate for anyone to actually listen to his advice, it seems to contradict common sense, common courtesy and coherent thought at every available opportunity.

Unlike quality trolls he lacks both class and humour. I believe the technical term is "Worthless Troll" or "Fucking Dickhead".

[Tank]

That's not logic. Thats insult, deliberate evade the issue. You're struggling aren't you?

I win. Again.

Steve

In my opinion that was not only logical but pretty accurate.
In my opinion you didnt win - nor can I actually think of any thread that you have. But hey with closing in on 300 red reps I guess you have to take anything you can get.
In my opinion your advise is often Dangerous - remember the great "should I give crash victims drugs" thread (if anyone wants to read it - its one of his more red repped threads - find it via his profile.

I believe (as in this is my opinion) you need to think before offering advise - seriously some newbie may read it and end up hurt. (But hey - I guess they deserve to get hurt right)


edit - sorry 312 Red reps at the moment - I wonder if that is a site record?

[R-Soul]

You aren't. You are just saying that your feelings are other peoples' responsibility, when they're not. They're yours'.

Boo hoo hoo. Sometimes people are. There isn't anything you can do about it.

This isn't a motorcycling lesson. This is a life lesson.

Hum the following after me, to the tune of "mary had a little lamb"

O~ "There's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it, there's nothing I can dooooo about it."

See? You're fucked. Give it up. There really IS nothing you can DO about it. You CANNOT MAKE anyone DO anything. Add to that, you cannot make anyone SEE what you mean, you cannot MAKE anyone understand you.

The sooner you get used to the idea, the easier your whole life will be.


Steve

I dont need life lessons from anybody, thank you.
And your singing is awful....


And I already told you that I am not trying to make anybody do anything. I am informing them of common etiquette, and letting them make their own decisions. And you will not MAKe me stop doing so.

[R-Soul]

That's not logic. Thats insult, deliberate evade the issue. You're struggling aren't you?

I win. Again.

Steve

The world is only changed one person at a time. OK maybe not you, but you dont want to change...

All the noobs and maybe some less retarded old folk will now maybe consider my thoughts next time they are having hesitations about filtering, and decide to be more considerate.
And there is nothing you can do about it.
I win.

[Pascal]

All the noobs and maybe some less retarded old folk will now maybe consider my thoughts next time they are having hesitations about filtering, and decide to be more considerate.

Plus you might pause to consider them as well. So again, you win ;)

[R-Soul]

Plus you might pause to consider them as well. So again, you win ;)

Its all just a big win for me...

[Swoop]

Dangerous Tips.....!
Where everyone else..........is wrong.
Just quoting this FACT again. Remember this when reading DB's postings on KB.

[Maha]

Just quoting this FACT again. Remember this when reading DB's postings on KB.

I had seen Dangerous Tips as a Tag so used it effectively on the forum.
If ya have something to say, say it, dont hide behind a Tag cos thats how they Roll in Edgecome. Yet another fact.

[FROSTY]

OP--In a nutshell --ITS YOUR PROBLEM. Its up to you as the overtaking rider to do so in a safe manner.