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I made a statement in another thread that "accidents are inevitable in motorcycling". I must confess that inevitable (unavoidable) was the wrong word to use, but it did get me thinking about what message I was trying to convey. The reality is that motorcycle accidents are common and that all of us who ride experience many close calls for one reason or another, sometimes ending up on the ground.
Most, if not all motorcyclists I have met and spoken to have had at least one accident during their riding experience. I questioned 3 riders (albeit retired) about this this afternoon and they all had their crash stories to tell! Up until last year I could have proudly lifted my head and said that I had never binned in my 20 years riding but that clean slate was soon dirtied with 2 bins within 3 months of each other, the 2nd resulting in a write-off and break from bikes altogether for 6 months! It's also very eye-opening to search through the KB threads to see just how many of us have binned over the last 12 months. One senior KB'er said these words to me once: "it's not a matter of if you bin it, but a matter of when?" :unsure:
So will you crash your motorcycle? I think it's more of a probability than a possibility, I believe the poll will demonstrate this. It is indeed "avoidable", but for how long? 1 month, 1 year, 10 years? I hope never!
Note: This message is meant to be a help not a hindrance. :ride:
Coyote
8th May 2005, 19:04
I've binned a number of times. Twice in Round one couple of weekends back, another 2 times in motard, and dozens of times on the dirt. Fortunately, I've been able to learn from the mistakes leading to these bins so I haven't done it on the road
Everyone should have a go riding on the dirt. You learn alot about throttle control, clutch control, reading slippery surfaces, etc. Damned good fun too
Waylander
8th May 2005, 19:08
Been in three bins so far almost writing off the honda. Will I be in another one? probably but knowing that helps me to keep my "eyes open" while riding so I can make the time between wrecks as long as possible.
woody68
8th May 2005, 19:12
I've been back riding for about 3 months kids and stuff you know,and i've had a couple of close calls already. :ride:
I've had three big bins in 20 years and still got 30 years riding in me so think there will be a couple more on the cards.
Experience tells me so.
I think your poll is a bit mixed up,so I won't vote on it - the poll is have you crashed....bit you are asking IF????
I am totaly opposed to the ''it's not a matter of if but when'' theory - YOU DON'T HAVE TO CRASH! I've had plenty of prangs,but that's my problem,I didn't care at the time,I still crash off road,and I don't care about that either - it's a state of mind....
Brian d marge
8th May 2005, 19:18
not so much now on the road ...ws a dispatch rider in london for a few years so used to bin it often
Now I potter on me Enfield ,,,so no not now its been years since I sent one sliding ...
BUT I race MX ...and every weekend over the handlebars I go!!!!!
The one before last ,,I came of a Jump and the guy infront squared off the corner ,,,...I tore the TOPs of the fork legs and the no plate AND a new set of Bar ...( they can get expensive !!)
I give the new wepon ...2 meetings before I abandon ship !! mid flight .....
Stephen :ride: :doctor:
I think your poll is a bit mixed up,so I won't vote on it - the poll is have you crashed....bit you are asking IF????Sorry I don't get you? I purposely added the word "road" in the title of the poll to exclude off-road bikes.
VasalineWarrior
8th May 2005, 19:26
Yeah only had one big off, but the ammount of close calls ive had must be into triple digits. Its a fact that i accept each time i hop on the bike that i may potentially have a fall, but hey life cant be lived from the living room eh?
justsomeguy
8th May 2005, 19:28
Well.......... me???...........:killingme enough said.....:whistle:
oldfart
8th May 2005, 19:30
Gravity will get you every time. Crashing m/cycles is inevitable.
Crashing m/cycles is inevitable.But is it really?
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin inevitabilis, from in- + evitabilis evitable
: incapable of being avoided or evaded
Waylander
8th May 2005, 19:36
It may not be inevitable but it is a fact that motorcyclists have to deal with. with all the crap on the roads today from sand or loose dirt to gravel and moronic cagers the odds of a wreck happening are quite good (well bad really but you know what I mean) Better to asume it will happen and prepare for it but still try to avoid it than otherwise.
P.S. Does anybody else keep thinking of agent Smith when they read this thread?
oldfart
8th May 2005, 19:36
yup, I haven't crashed since 79 when I dumped my pissed self & a mate on the road. This means my time is overdue. Crashing is to bikes what tomatoe sauce is to hot dogs
pommie girl
8th May 2005, 19:41
Inevitable might not be the right word for it, but consider this ... you can factor in your own abilities when you're out, but how can you possibly account, every single second of every single ride, for the vagaries and idiocies of those other people driving/riding around you?
Sorry I don't get you? I purposely added the word "road" in the title of the poll to exclude off-road bikes.
?????? oh,it's ZED,shoulda known.
I am one of the two who have not crashed. :Punk:
I would like to think that it is because I read the "signs" and avoid anything that threatens my upright stance on my bike. I have certainly had some very close calls such as a seeing the truck chrome wheel nuts spinning in my periphial vision as the said truck pulled into my spot, telling myself not to look (target focusing) and acclerate out of the situation.
But then I wonder how much of it is skill and how much of it is luck, like coming around a corner to find an oncoming vehicle had lost control and spun out, just before I got there.
Been riding for 30 years, off and on, and so far I have not had a crash on road. Mind you, I ride on the side of caution. Don't do wheelies or stoppies, deliberately that is, I know I have inadvertantly done some.
I have dropped my old bike several times but don't count that, or my off-roading incidents.
Here's hoping I have atleast another 30 years of riding ahead of me. Well, that is what I am riding for. One of my aims is to be riding on my 90th birthday.:Punk:
with all the crap on the roads today from sand or loose dirt to gravel
There is far less crap on the road these days than ever before,it's more often signposted than ever as well.25 yrs ago you needed a dirt bike to ride on the road.
Once on the road about 15 years ago when I was side swipped by a cage. That's quite enough thank you.
Mr Skid
8th May 2005, 20:19
?????? oh,it's ZED,shoulda known.
C'mon Motu, you know dirt bikes don't belong on *our* roads.
Come back when you get some decent width tires and some nice shiny plastic bits to break.
Two Smoker
8th May 2005, 20:26
I dont want to crash on the road again, and im trying very hard to avoid that at all costs... However on the track.... i plan to crash again... "if you dont crash your not going hard enough, if you crash too much your going to hard..." (relating to the track)
Never crashed a bike on the road (or a car for that matter) or injured myself.
Come off more times than I could count off road, and collected a few painfulnesses, but that's a different matter. Off road you're riding for a crash, but the environment is different.
I don't believe it's inevitable. I do think that it's hard to avoid. I've had a vast number of close calls, any one of which could have turned nasty. And I could well come off tomorrow night (could have tonight of a certain stupid old cow who turned across my path at 110kph outside Helensville had had her way! I just knew she was going to be trouble as soon as I saw her). As Mr Zed said, you can go 20 years unscathed , then *bang*
So it's not shameful to have come off. Sometimes shit happens and you just can't get around it. But I do think it should always be regarded as uncool. I don't like bins being flaunted like battle trophies, sends the young ones the wrong message.
Slow down ! (My God, am I starting to sound like Mr Scumdog ! :eek: ). Be paranoid! Assume that shit is on the other side of the corner or hill! Keep something in reserve!
Ride fast, ride safe, and keep the black squishy bits down, pink squishy bits up, always
I dont want to crash on the road again, and im trying very hard to avoid that at all costs... However on the track.... i plan to crash again... "if you dont crash your not going hard enough, if you crash too much your going to hard..." (relating to the track)
Yes, but the track is a different matter. On the track you are deliberately riding to the limit of your and your bike's capability. That's what the track is about. No-one should be doing that on the public road. I would crash on the track.
...how can you possibly account, every single second of every single ride, for the vagaries and idiocies of those other people driving/riding around you?Answer: You can't! So we have to be mindful of this and take extra care as motorcyclists. :blink:
As just about everyone i know says:
"If you can't even handle a push-bike how the hell are you going to handle a REAL bike..."
so yeah, i do think i will crash
Inevitable might not be the right word for it, but consider this ... you can factor in your own abilities when you're out, but how can you possibly account, every single second of every single ride, for the vagaries and idiocies of those other people driving/riding around you?
You can't , entirely, but you do develop a sort of survival sense after a while. And there are quite a few "tricks of the trade" that help you nip vagary and idiocy in the bud - or at least keep out of their way.
Waylander
8th May 2005, 23:11
It may not be inevitable but it is a fact that motorcyclists have to deal with. with all the crap on the roads today from sand or loose dirt to gravel and moronic cagers the odds of a wreck happening are quite good (well bad really but you know what I mean) Better to asume it will happen and prepare for it but still try to avoid it than otherwise.
P.S. Does anybody else keep thinking of agent Smith when they read this thread?
Hehehe
http://www.further-adventures.com/pics/smiths1.jpg
Waylander
8th May 2005, 23:16
Be gone troll!
*Done in Egor voice* Mmyes master...
*Done in Egor voice* Mmyes master...Lol, yes. Now "get the door Egor" and walk out of it! :D
I dont really understand this thread, never met a older biker that has not met the gravel/dirt..
Waylander
8th May 2005, 23:20
I dont really understand this thread, never met a older biker that has not met the gravel/dirt..
Well there are 4 of them thus far apparently. Unless someone is having delusions. I still don't understand your initial question Zed. Are you asking if we think we will have a wreck in the future or are you asking if we have wrecked in the past?
Not being rude but this is a real sill question to ask. Way to general.
I still don't understand your initial question Zed. Are you asking if we think we will have a wreck in the future or are you asking if we have wrecked in the past?The title of the thread is "will you crash" meaning future tense and the 3rd paragraph questions the future too. However, the poll covers past crashes.
You're the 2nd peep to admit confusion here? I'm confused by your confusion! :crazy:
Not being rude but this is a real sill question to ask. Way to general.That's fine, if you have nothing constructive to add you need say no more, because if you do it will be considered trolling. :wavey:
Waylander
8th May 2005, 23:31
The title of the thread is "will you crash" meaning future tense and the 3rd paragraph questions the future too. However, the poll covers past crashes.
You're the 2nd peep to admit confusion here? I'm confused by your confusion! :crazy:
Ok so the poll was for past wrecks and the actually post bit covered both. Ok that makes sense now.
I think if I really believed that crashing was inevitable then I wouldn't keep riding, and I certainly wouldn't take my wife as a pillion. It is possible to ride for extended periods without crashing and it mostly comes down to keeping something in reserve when riding on the road. I had 3 crashes on the road in my first year riding but managed to learn enough to avoid any more in the next 20+ years. It was simply good luck that none of those crashes resulted in serious injury.
I also think that having some off-road riding experience is a great help in learning bike control.
So is crashing inevitable? No, but the reality is that most riders will crash sooner or later due to inexperience or overconfidence. Maybe some, but very few, crashes could be considered unavoidable?
The title of the thread is "will you crash" meaning future tense and the 3rd paragraph questions the future too. However, the poll covers past crashes.
You're the 2nd peep to admit confusion here? I'm confused by your confusion! :crazy:
I think Mr Zed is trying to use the results of the poll (of historical crash statistics) to forecast (very approximately) the probability of a hypothetical biker crashing in the future.
For instance if the poll showed dozens of riders who could say " I have been riding for years and years and never crashed" then the hypothetical biker could think "Well, if they've all gone for years and years and not crashed, I don't see why I should not do likewise. So, if I am careful and lucky I may expect to ride for years without a crash"
Whereas if no-one at all can say "I have never crashed" (except "new" riders, who have not had time), then the hypothetical biker must think "I am almost certain to crash. If no-one else has avoided it it is unlikely that I shall"
But I may be totally wrong [shrug]
So is crashing inevitable? No, but the reality is that most riders will crash sooner or later due to inexperience or overconfidence. Maybe some, but very few, crashes could be considered unavoidable?Indeed! It's also all relative to how much riding you do, the conditions you ride in/don't ride in, whether you are riding alone or in a goup (where adrenaline is running high), and so many other variables that may or may not contribute to the circumstances resulting in an accident. Comes down to the choices we make a lot of times...you've made some sensible ones in the past 20 yrs MacD. :niceone:
So are trackday bins inevitable I wonder??
I think Mr Zed is trying to use the results of the poll (of historical crash statistics) to forecast (very approximately) the probability of a hypothetical biker crashing in the future.
Perhaps the the question should be "were your past crashes avoidable?" I would have to say with the benefit of hindsight that all my road crashes were avoidable (ie. not inevitable). The question is how can riders gain experience without crashing, as crashing seems to be a very blunt learning tool?
Waylander
8th May 2005, 23:44
Perhaps the the question should be "were your past crashes avoidable?" I would have to say with the benefit of hindsight that all my road crashes were avoidable (ie. not inevitable). The question is how can riders gain experience without crashing, as crashing seems to be a very blunt learning tool?
Hopefully never too blunt or too sharp though.
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So are trackday bins inevitable I wonder??
Probably. The whole purpose of a track day is to allow people to find their limit (or their bikes).
And, you only really know you've reached the limit when you go a little over it.
" I can take this corner at 120 and it's all OK "; "130 OK "; "140 OK"; "Oh shit - well now I know the limit is 140"
But crashing on the track can't be compared to crashing on the public road, for all sorts of obvious reasons.
I think Mr Zed is trying to use the results of the poll (of historical crash statistics) to forecast (very approximately) the probability of a hypothetical biker crashing in the future.
But I may be totally wrong [shrug]No, that's not the way I was thinking when I wrote that Ixion but it could just work?
I am keen on seeing how many experienced riders have never crashed and hearing their reasoning as to why not? Maybe I'll be able to glean some of their secrets to success! :pop:
Comes down to the choices we make a lot of times...you've made some sensible ones in the past 20 yrs MacD. :niceone:
Heh, I've also made a lot of dumb decisions too, it's just that I had enough luck/experience/skill to get away with them for a while. This thread is making me nervous though, talk about tempting fate... :sweatdrop
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I am keen on seeing how many experienced riders have never crashed and hearing their reasoning as to why not? Maybe I'll be able to glean some of their secrets to success! :pop:
Ride like a Nana!
Seriously
Ride like a Nana!
SeriouslyYes, that is one key, and there is a level of fun in doing that as I found out on the newbie ride yesterday. I'm more interested though in the keys to successful 'binlessness' in the higher levels of fun! :spudbn:
That's fine, if you have nothing constructive to add you need say no more, because if you do it will be considered trolling. :wavey:
Sorry the post wasnt intended for you, It was for waylander when he asked;
Are you asking if we think we will have a wreck in the future
...This thread is making me nervous though, talk about tempting fate... :sweatdropIt doesn't have to be that way. This is a 'reality check' discussion that's all! :ride:
Yes, that is one key, and there is a level of fun in doing that as I found out on the newbie ride yesterday. I'm more interested though in the keys to successful 'binlessness' in the higher levels of fun! :spudbn:
Well, in all seriousness, a fast nana.
It seems to me that there are four main types of incidents that cause people to crash
Intersection crashs.(you crossing some elses path, they crossing yours)
Too fast through a corner (bad judgement, bad surface, whatever)
Overtaking (you or someone else)
Hitting something on the road in front of you (obstacle, dog, debris, car pulls out etc)
And then the rare freaky ones of mechanical failure, flooded roads etc which are almost Acts of God.
Very few crashes ever occur because a bike is simply going fast in a straight line on its ownside of the road, with nothing in front of it.
I'd be pretty confident that most experienced riders could travel at 300+ kph indefinately in safety UNTIL they had to turn; or other traffic became involved; or they left their own side of the road; or they encountered an obstacle. It's almost simplistic when you think about it.
You yourself avoided bnning for 20 years. So you must have a pretty good idea how to deal with those hazards.
I guess paranoia when encountering other traffic : they WILL pull out in front of you. They WON'T give way.
Always go through a corner significantly slower than your maximum.If you are certain you can take it at 150, take it at 120. Certain you can swan round at 80? Go through at 70
Watch out for Ubiquitous Dog and the Interchangeable Mabels. Remember they will not be able to judge your speed if you are doing more than about 80. Mabel has never driven at more than 100kph, she has no idea how to judge the closing speed of someone doing twice that.
Stay on your own side of the road. Or at least make ABSOLUTELY certain nothing else is coming.
I suppose it can be summed up simply enough
SLOW DOWN and WATCH OUT.
Problem is most bikers don't really want to slowdown, they want to test their limits. And even the most vigilant watch will fail sometimes.
Then it is up to the biker gods.
So we may add BE LUCKY
SLOW DOWN : WATCH OUT: BE LUCKY.
Then when you get to the straight bit of road (with maybe some good predictable corners),with no other traffic around; and no sideroads, farmgates etc - FANG IT.
Don't know any more than that.
oldfart
9th May 2005, 20:57
now let me see 75% have crashed, 20% haven't but have been riding less than 10 years, pity the poll didn't have 1 year or less.
like I said before, gravity will always win "It is INEVITABLE"
Waylander
9th May 2005, 21:00
now let me see 75% have crashed, 20% haven't but have been riding less than 10 years, pity the poll didn't have 1 year or less.
like I said before, gravity will always win "It is INEVITABLE"
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/04/sprj.caf03.review.matrix/story.smith.jpg
Nothing is inevitable, only probable.
Jamezo
9th May 2005, 21:30
um, death? (and taxes...)
Waylander
9th May 2005, 21:52
um, death? (and taxes...)
Death maybe but give science a chance and as for taxes... government officials and big companies have been avoiding those for years.
Jamezo
9th May 2005, 22:35
Death maybe but give science a chance and as for taxes... government officials and big companies have been avoiding those for years.
aww, the writings of your own countryman are lost on you:
"In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes." - good ol' Benjamin Franklin
gamgee
9th May 2005, 22:46
does binning on a sheet of ice on a sj50 count, cause if it does that farken sucks, it wasn't my fault i did everything right, put both feet down to keep myself up, was sliding down the hill at maybe 20kmh then some guy on the side of the road grabbed the pack rack which caused the bike to swing round and tip over, didn't even get a scratch, the bike had a couple of little ones but that was about it, NEVER crashed on my proper bike
Mr Skid
9th May 2005, 23:02
does binning on a sheet of ice on a sj50 count, cause if it does that farken sucksI think anyone keen enough to try to ride a scoot on ice is a legend. :niceone:
Holy Roller
9th May 2005, 23:31
Usually been an excuse to upgrade...
Well this time anyway... got one heck of a lot of motorcycle for a reasonable amount of mulah
does binning on a sheet of ice on a sj50 count, cause if it does that farken sucks, it wasn't my fault i did everything right, put both feet down to keep myself up, was sliding down the hill at maybe 20kmh then some guy on the side of the road grabbed the pack rack which caused the bike to swing round and tip over, didn't even get a scratch, the bike had a couple of little ones but that was about it, NEVER crashed on my proper bike
No, I don't think that counts. it is like off road riding, or dropping the bike putting it on the centre stand. we're talking (well I am anyway), "real" crashes - the sort that *could* even if they didn't , lead to injury, ambulance, titanium, broken bikes. And where you the crash was "unlooked for" - which is the difference to off road/track, where a crash is sort of anticipated (I really really hope no-one here rides on the road anticipating to crash)
does binning on a sheet of ice on a sj50 count...Sorry but scooter accidents don't count! What on earth were you doing on a scooter in an Ice-Rink any way? See that's what I mean about the strange mentality of scooter riders!! :msn-wink: jk
skidz
11th June 2005, 23:25
Had many a misshap, but the biggist one had to be a head on I nearly walked away from. Must have been my lucky day. ( Only a broken arm & LEG.) :niceone:
No, I don't think that counts. it is like off road riding, or dropping the bike putting it on the centre stand. we're talking (well I am anyway), "real" crashes - the sort that *could* even if they didn't , lead to injury, ambulance, titanium, broken bikes. And where you the crash was "unlooked for" - which is the difference to off road/track, where a crash is sort of anticipated (I really really hope no-one here rides on the road anticipating to crash)
Well now I'm offended.
So my prangs aren't considered "real crashes".
It's quite obvious that I must try harder.
Technically I don’t call them ‘bins’ or ‘crashes’ because I’ve walked away from them un-scathed, even at over 100km.. And writing a bike off into a taxi.. :rofl:
loosebruce
12th June 2005, 22:44
I dont plan on crashing and i'm not really keen on chucking myself down the road, as fun as it is, it's farkin expensive. But shit happens plain and simple and so do mistakes, i accept that, and i will crash. With this i make sure when i ride eh faster than normal, i take all the precautions i can, full leathers, boots, lid etc and it all helps when that big off comes, been there done that.
Jantar
12th June 2005, 23:21
No, I don't think that counts. it is like off road riding, or dropping the bike putting it on the centre stand. we're talking (well I am anyway), "real" crashes - the sort that *could* even if they didn't , lead to injury, ambulance, titanium, broken bikes. And where you the crash was "unlooked for" - which is the difference to off road/track, where a crash is sort of anticipated (I really really hope no-one here rides on the road anticipating to crash)
So, like idb, i guess most of my crashes don't count either.
Crash #1. Head on with a car when a truck was coming towards me on my side of the road. I was on an NZeta, so that doesn't count. :whistle:
Crash #2. Came off in the gravel on the Waipori gorge road, on a T125. Gravel is a bit like off road, so that doesn't count. :whistle:
Crash #3. A tyre blow out on a fully loaded GT380. Mechanical failure, so that's like an act of god. :whistle:
Crash #4. A slide on black ice, on a gravel road. Controlled the slide, but then the rear hub of my GT750 split in two as the wheel gained grip once again. Ummm Gravel road, so thats like off road, Ice so thats an act of god, mecahnical failure - another act of god. Even though I was hospitalised, and off bikes for months, I guess that one certainly doesn't count. :whistle:
Well sorry, but any crash on a road is a crash. The reason doesn't change the fact that you came off.
Ixion
12th June 2005, 23:26
So, like idb, i guess most of my crashes don't count either.
Crash #1. Head on with a car when a truck was coming towards me on my side of the road. I was on an NZeta, so that doesn't count. :whistle:
Crash #2. Came off in the gravel on the Waipori gorge road, on a T125. Gravel is a bit like off road, so that doesn't count. :whistle:
Crash #3. A tyre blow out on a fully loaded GT380. Mechanical failure, so that's like an act of god. :whistle:
Crash #4. A slide on black ice, on a gravel road. Controlled the slide, but then the rear hub of my GT750 split in two as the wheel gained grip once again. Ummm Gravel road, so thats like off road, Ice so thats an act of god, mecahnical failure - another act of god. Even though I was hospitalised, and off bikes for months, I guess that one certainly doesn't count. :whistle:
Well sorry, but any crash on a road is a crash. The reason doesn't change the fact that you came off.
Nay, gravel road is still a public road. I meant off road as in like race track. Motocross, adventure riding such like. Acts of God still count. But I'd say that those at some very low speed (10kph) don't. Cos otherwise you'd have to count the bike falling off its stand as a crash, which is getting a bit silly. It's people getting hurt when they didn't elect to that we're talking about.
Bonez
13th June 2005, 17:36
1. Tight slippery wet road.
2. Sun in eyes and ran into a trailer
3. Cow shit.
4. Fell off the road at night after a few.
5. Car pulled in front of me.
6. Car ran into me.
7. 6 ft ditch on a gravel road.
Nothing for the last 6 or so years so must be due for another off. :eek5: Hmmm now that I think about it these all happened on a Honda............... :rofl:
Skyryder
13th June 2005, 20:35
The title of the thread is "will you crash" meaning future tense and the 3rd paragraph questions the future too. However, the poll covers past crashes.
You're the 2nd peep to admit confusion here? I'm confused by your confusion! :crazy:
I'm not confused. There is always the possibility that throwing you leg over the saddle will have dire consquences. However if you believe that you will crash in the future you will probably do so as your mindset allows the crash to be acceptable.
Skyryder
Drew
13th June 2005, 20:50
I'm not confused. There is always the possibility that throwing you leg over the saddle will have dire consquences. However if you believe that you will crash in the future you will probably do so as your mindset allows the crash to be acceptable.
Skyryder
So if you believe you are never going to die, thta is your mind set and it wont happen, WTF?
Shit happens, I crash more then anyone I know, but I certainly don't think I am gonna crash, ever time I get on my bike.
I ride like an arsehole most of the time, but have had most of my bins' when I was riding more sensibly. Go figure!
DingDong
13th June 2005, 20:56
eventually we all crash into/off/on something, It's like asking how many times have you fallen over when walking... we dont want to fall, but we do.
bear
15th June 2005, 11:40
Interesting that the options were for never if been riding for more than 10 years, but for less than 10 years = not yet.
Jabez
15th June 2005, 13:24
Been riding 25yrs, had 1 get off @ 100kph 20yrs ago (Pirelli tyres just let go, no other vehicle involved). Had lots of close calls though.
Just treat ALL other drivers as idiots & expect them to do dum things. :)
Skyryder
15th June 2005, 22:43
So if you believe you are never going to die, thta is your mind set and it wont happen, WTF?
Shit happens, I crash more then anyone I know, but I certainly don't think I am gonna crash, ever time I get on my bike.
I ride like an arsehole most of the time, but have had most of my bins' when I was riding more sensibly. Go figure!
So you're another one who can't read. Who said anything about dying............not me. Your analogy is just plain stupid. And at the risk of repeating myself I don't recall saying anyone is going to crash 'ever time' they get on a bike.
You state that you ride like an arsehole and yet most of your bins are when you are riding sensibly. Now that begs the question if you are riding sensibly why are you crashing? You don't agree with my hypothesis, so whats yours?
Rainbow Wizard
27th June 2005, 19:10
From another site:
I just recieved news from Greece that my ex husband's nephew was killed in a motorbike accident. He was travelling at 140kmh and was hit by a car he was overtaking. He was 21 and all I can think is what a damn waste.
Will young men ever learn about the effects of speed and recklessness?
and a reply, not by me....
ahem...I have been in charge of two-wheels and in excess of 210kph however...I have said this many times and I shall continue to do so...I spent 10 weeks doing part 1 of my UK bike test and 3 weeks on part 2. You get to learn a whole lot of control in that time. How to read the road. Signs to watch for, etc. I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate the training I have had. It is not speed it is inexperience and hormones! Also...a lot of people in Greece ride with no lid on. It DOES make a difference...as does part of a dead cow tailored to you.
Huntaway
27th June 2005, 20:40
Only one good bin. Heading towards a blind corner after just overtaking a car - and into a cow being herded the other way by a lone dick of a farmer. Had almost stopped but shouldered her hard in the arse as she suddenly ran across my bows. Shit all over me before jumping back into the paddock where she was supposed to be. Shit happens!
The car I'd just passed never stopped, but hats off to the guy in the ute behind me who did and followed behind (20 km) as I rode the broken CB750 home. Bloody sore for a week and insurance decided repairs would cost more than the bike.
Jackrat
27th June 2005, 21:47
Ok, yeah I've crashed a few times.
Am I going to again ? ,well the stat's say I will but, I say I'm going to do everything I can to avoid it.
The last time was 15 years and 6 bikes ago.
Since the last time my whole attitude to riding has changed a lot.
I've backed off a lot in terms of speed an where I will push things a bit.
Now days I have to have known the road for a while before I'll get up it.
I'm a lot more aware of what's going on around me an back off if I suspect even the slightest danger.Every thing gets a second look,every car is an instant suspect.Every cat,dog, horse,kid,intersection, is a trap ready to spring.Every situation is looked at with the worst case in mind.
I exspect the worst and consider it a bonus if it's not.
I know my worst enemy is ME.
Every prang I've had I can trace back to some thing I either did or did not do,so none of them were inevitable.
I could of died this sunday if I hadn't backed off just that little bit when I saw the truck coming over the brow.
He wasn't the danger but my reaction to him saved my bacon.
Paranoid ??? not me mate,they ARE out to get me.
They just don't know I know. :yes:
stunz
12th August 2005, 12:36
have dropped a couple in my time while parking, but never had to ditch the bike at speed and have never argued with the driver of another vehicle through their windscreen.
Admittedly, there have been a number of close calls, but thats just the nature of the beast. In my book, it comes down to rider ability/experience, loads of common sense and two fingers on the brake lever.
Of course, there should be less cars on the road over the next few years :clap: and more bikes :Punk: if this petrol price crap keeps going on. $1.43 here in Welly.
I love riding...
SARGE
12th August 2005, 13:08
with all the crap on the roads today from sand or loose dirt to gravel and moronic cagers the odds of a wreck happening are quite good
what hacks me off totally is the overabundance of Diesel Fuel on the @#$% CORNERS!!!.. cant these twats tighten the @#$ gascaps??.. makes me want to drop a match on the rainbow and follow the flames to the truck.. and then while the truckie is trying to douse the flames.. kick him in the cunt :kick:
Smorg
12th August 2005, 14:13
Remind me not to mess with you sarge
3 times ive come off so far
1. Side swiped by a silver volvo in takapuna (didnt stop keep an eye out for a silver volvo with yellow paint streaks down it side)
2. Cow shit on a corner out riverhead
3. Perving at chicks in mission bay not watching traffic :weird:
My bike's at Reflections after number 3!
oldrider
12th August 2005, 15:48
In answer to your poll, I have been riding motorcycles for 51yrs, does that make me a safe rider? if so what are the secrets? None, its just luck.
In that time I have had two good "road" crashes. The first when I was about 17/18yrs old. I hit a pile driving truck side on (off side cab door) and nearly cut it in half. There were 4 people inside. They received only minor injuries. We did not have all the flash gear available today, no crash hat, leathers gloves etc, just jeans work boots and an old air force surplus flying jacket. My old BSA 500ccB33 single was completely wrecked. I received head injuries in front and back and cut off my right ear. I had a gallon tin of red roof paint on the tank stand, that did not help the situation. It was at night (the truck had no lights on) I landed unconscious in the red paint and everyone thought it was blood! what a panic, a lady fainted and got taken to the hospital with me in the ambulance. The next day a compulsory stop was put up on the corner and I was charged for failing to stop ( but that's another story). The accident really was my fault (this is the first time I have ever said that) because I was showing off to a group of girls on the main street, racking up through the gears making as much noise as possible dragging my muffler shooting up Nelson street Petone with all the gas I could get out of it when the lights of the world switched off, BANG.
The next one was on the road to Cape Reinga light house (about 1993)when we (my wife and I ) canned off just because I refused to be intimidated by the road conditions at the time and was going too fast where I shouldn't have been going at all on that bike, in those conditions, CRASH. Honda ST1100 $8000:00 worth of damage and pride out the window.
Riding safely over a long time is just luck. You try your best but if you drop your guard or get too cocky the odds are stacked against you. That's the fun of it. As we used to say before birth control, do what the girls do and "risk it."
If I could claim a dollar for every inch of skin I've lost on gravel and off road I would be a millionaire, but does that make for a good safe rider, NO. The older you get the worse you get. The kids I see riding around today are bloody fantastic they leave us oldies for, well dead I suppose. Cheers John.
Pancakes
12th August 2005, 15:49
No off's but there is crazy crap all over the place. Half of Brighams Creek Rd has chunks and pats of clay all over. It comes from one drive leading away from a ploughed paddock and goes to an earthworks place, I recon the "boy racer" laws would cover this "dropping material on the road that causes loss of traction" or whatever it is. They wouldn't be hard to find either.
Smorg
12th August 2005, 15:54
Would be interesting to see how many blokes had stacked showing off or perving at the front bums (no offense at all intended)
John
12th August 2005, 16:13
Would be interesting to see how many blokes had stacked showing off or perving at the front bums (no offense at all intended)
nope your the only one.... :lol:
Dadpole
12th August 2005, 16:27
Would be interesting to see how many blokes had stacked showing off or perving at the front bums (no offense at all intended)
Guilty as charged your honour x 2
Smorg
12th August 2005, 16:28
Sweet im not the only one :clap: :clap:
Lou Girardin
12th August 2005, 16:46
what hacks me off totally is the overabundance of Diesel Fuel on the @#$% CORNERS!!!.. cant these twats tighten the @#$ gascaps??.. makes me want to drop a match on the rainbow and follow the flames to the truck.. and then while the truckie is trying to douse the flames.. kick him in the cunt :kick:
Like the diesel slick right along Newton Rd and down Khyber pass this morning?
They should find the prick and make him lick it up.
Smorg
12th August 2005, 16:49
Like the diesel slick right along Newton Rd and down Khyber pass this morning?
They should find the prick and make him lick it up.
HAHA or snort it like a real man :rofl: :rofl:
Gremlin
12th August 2005, 18:36
I hoped I wouldn't ever, then I had 2 in 3 days... :no:
both my fault, nobody else involved, minimal damage... just couldn't seem to leave the corners behind :wait:
HCW
13th August 2005, 17:30
Have crashed due to perving, showing off, going far to fast and drunkiness, Whats next?
mstriumph
14th August 2005, 01:46
OK - once in the dirt when i was arsing around on a strange bike and it cost me 3 ribs and the skin off my lower face - was totally my fault, but doesn't count here because it was dirt
once in south africa when a cage driver turned left from the centre of the road whilst indicating right .... luckily i had friends with me to show him the error of his ways - cost = a rib and some skin [me] various abrasions and a black eye [him]
once in england when i put a family friends bike thru the veggie garden and headfirst into a brick wall - i was seven at the time - cost = my pride [and the veggies didn't fare too well, neither]
once in central perth west australia -got cleaned up by a van speeding illegally in reverse up a one way street i was turning into - cost = torn clothes, smashed ankle and footpeg thru lower leg
once in benoni south africa when a car came out of an uncontrolled intersection in the rain without stopping - cost = i had to travel home on the bus with my coat tied round my middle to cover the fact that the arse was torn totally out of my jeans :oi-grr:
again in south africa when a pedestrian [whom i had OBSERVED looking both ways for traffic from the kerb] walked straight into my front wheel, thereby stalling it and causing me to describe a graceful arc over the handlebars, landing in the path of oncoming traffic with a dislocated knee. now - when i recovered conciousness two days later, my knee was back where it should be ---
police say that they had onlooker statements that it got that way thru my approaching the pedestrian concerned [who was apparantly sitting on the curb moaning and holding his leg], asking him sweetly which leg had been hurt ............ then kicking the sh3t out of it with MY injured leg. i can't remember a thing about any of it personally except the bike's front forks had been twisted out of alignment so the bastard obviously deserved watever he got.
that's about it ...... would be interested to hear everyone else's war stories?
Juan
14th August 2005, 02:44
Yes :violin:
avgas
6th November 2005, 11:57
should change the poll to:
"Did you learn from your crash" ;)
kro
6th November 2005, 12:11
I'm in the minority here.
Jackrat
6th November 2005, 13:10
should change the poll to:
"Did you learn from your crash" ;)
Obviously not.
Or so me mum says.
SPman
6th November 2005, 13:24
should change the poll to:
"Did you learn from your crash" ;)
Ummmmmmmmmmm.......
After last Sundays little effort..........
learned that it's real easy to make an error of judgement, no matter how long you been riding.....:o
BLACKYOSHI1000
12th December 2005, 17:52
CAME OFF ONCE HITT SOME BLACK ICE GOING TO WORK AT 6AM IN THE DARK COULD SAY WASNT MY FALT COULDNT SEE IT LMFAO
I WAS 15 IM NOW 43 AND RIDEN EVERY YEAR :bleh: HAVE BOUNCED OFF A FEW THING`S AND CAME CLOSE AGAIN ON SUNDAY 11TH TOOK A CAGE`S MIRROR OF ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD
WENT OFF THE HAIR PIN AT PUKE TO A FEW YEARS BACK PASSIN HALDANE UNDER BRAKE`S :doh:
THANK`S FOR THE THREAD ZED SOME GOOD READING
Goblin
12th December 2005, 19:57
My last bin was 29.07.95 when I was hit head-on by a dopey old prick who decided to turn right, into oncoming traffic. Before that I had crashed(on the road) a few times through my own stupidity, trying to keep up with the big boys. Since then I have fallen off many dirtbikes and probably will again. Would dearly love to get on a track and find the limit in a controlled environment.
ducatilover
12th December 2005, 23:36
hehehehe need i say anything?:killingme
Holy Roller
13th December 2005, 01:36
Been hit by a couple of drunks not seeing me
A couple of diesel spills one bent a loan bike broke off the handle bar.
Mud on roadworks resulting in a head on and $5000 to find when a student.
Throttle cable routed the wrong way after the shop fixed it resulting in stuck throttle wide open.
As a young un showing off to the girls
Yokai
13th December 2005, 09:41
When I first got my bike, my mate said "There's only 2 types of bikers... those who've had an accident and those who haven't YET"
It's pretty true - unfortunately on a bike we are less protected than in a car and we have to learn from our mistakes that are likely more costly. getting a corner wrong in a car and sliding it is recoverable. Getting a corner wrong on a bike and sliding it is gonna leave road-rash - both mistakes you learn from, but on a bike you have to heal too...
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