Radar K band

[TerminalAddict]

should I turn on K band now? :crazy:

Driving through town is pretty nuts with K band turned on.

thoughts? Suggestions? Etc?

I have Passport X50

[grusomhat]

No, maybe. Only K Band in use AFAIK is the mobile camera vans and your detection of these will depend on your radar detector. I leave it on so I know my radar is still on :) as it goes off just enough.

[captain_andrey]

I've always had it off on a bike. Camera vans cant take a photo of your plate from the front... and if you manage to pass one without seeing it you need your eyes checked.

[ckai]

I turned it on to get the camera vans but it gave my STI jack shit warning! Not enough time to scrub off any decent speed if needed and it just plan pisses you off in town. I turned it back off and kept my eyes open.

[crazyhorse]

Try a rubber band :killingme

[CookMySock]

I've always had it off on a bike. Camera vans cant take a photo of your plate from the front... and if you manage to pass one without seeing it you need your eyes checked.Yep. Turn K band off. You are better served to tune your eyes for K band and leave the detector to look after the much more hazardous and invisible Ka band. All fixed automatic cameras are in plain view, and three quarters of Ka band stuff is not, and it has an often very experienced operator behind it who with great levels of glee can pick you out some km away.

Steve

[3umph]

turn everything off except Ka band

[captain_andrey]

I have laser on, just so I know the exact moment when to give the cop the finger.

[CookMySock]

I have laser on, just so I know the exact moment when to give the cop the finger.I just use my passive laser reflector/blinder ;

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Steve

[MarkH]

You are better served to tune your eyes for K band and leave the detector to look after the much more hazardous and invisible Ka band. All fixed automatic cameras are in plain view

This doesn't alway work well in a car because sometimes when you see the van it is too late. However on a bike you have more time. If the van camera is facing you then you have no number plate in front for it to capture, if the van is facing the other way then you have until you pass the van before it can take a photo of your plate. Over half the time you will find the camera only takes a photo of the front of your bike.

[CookMySock]

This doesn't alway work well in a car because sometimes when you see the van it is too late.uh, whut? The camera shoots your picture on quite a large angle, which means you have to be mostly right on top of it. How far can you see with your eyes? Mostly I find it isn't a function of the eyes, rather the brain is switched into freewheel mode that does it.

The Ka band stalker can see you many kms away.



However on a bike you have more time. Ahh, going slower?



If the van camera is facing you then you have no number plate in front for it to capture, if the van is facing the other way then you have until you pass the van before it can take a photo of your plate. Over half the time you will find the camera only takes a photo of the front of your bike.Hrm, I'm tempted to argue "probability theory" there, but I would be right only half of the time. :laugh:

Put simply, the more speed camera fines you get, the better you get at seeing them. Funny that. ;)

Steve

[TerminalAddict]

I've always had it off on a bike. Camera vans cant take a photo of your plate from the front... and if you manage to pass one without seeing it you need your eyes checked.

I like this answer ;)

[Swoop]

Laser = on.
Ka = on.
K = on.

A detector is for detecting. This assists your situational awareness, particularly when the tax-collectors are doing their best to hide their vans...

[MarkH]

uh, whut? The camera shoots your picture on quite a large angle, which means you have to be mostly right on top of it. How far can you see with your eyes? Mostly I find it isn't a function of the eyes, rather the brain is switched into freewheel mode that does it.

You clearly don't pay enough attention if you have never noticed the speed camera vans parked in spots where you don't see them until you are right on top of them (so to speak). I got a ticket on the southern motorway where the van couldn't be seen until it was too late to slow down - they clearly pick spots where that happens.

On a bike this isn't an issue. On a two lane road where the camera van is taking photos of vehicles in either direction you will be safe from a ticket half the time, on a motorway where the camera van is only photos of traffic going in one direction you are safe every time. Therefore over half the time you don't get a ticket.

[Hahn]

Just on a side note...

Does anyone know if POP in use here?

[CookMySock]

You clearly don't pay enough attention if you have never noticed the speed camera vans parked in spots where you don't see them until you are right on top of them (so to speak). I got a ticket on the southern motorway where the van couldn't be seen until it was too late to slow down - they clearly pick spots where that happens.um, dood, I think it's you who needs to pay more attention if you can't see speed camera vans. Seriously you can see them a long time before they can see you. Perhaps you need a few more fines. :niceone:

Steve

[Arronduke]

I turn K off... use my eyes and it seems to work.

[MarkH]

um, dood, I think it's you who needs to pay more attention if you can't see speed camera vans. Seriously you can see them a long time before they can see you. Perhaps you need a few more fines. :niceone:

How can you see a van behind a tree a long time before they can see you? Did you not get that was what I was talking about? There are trees all along the sides of the motorway and they park the van in between a couple of trees so that you can't see them until they are about to take a photo - I'm talking less that a second from when you can see them until they take the picture. If you haven't seen any speed camera vehicles 'hiding' like that then you probably passed them without noticing they were there - I seriously doubt that the behavior I see in Auckland isn't repeated elsewhere.

I haven't had any fines for a while though because I sold my car.

[scumdog]

"Just because ya can't see the danger doesn't mean it ain't there" That applied when sabre-tooths were around and applies with lots of thing to this day.

(Try overtaking on blind crests often enough and the 'danger' will get you one day....)

[grusomhat]

How can you see a van behind a tree a long time before they can see you? Did you not get that was what I was talking about? There are trees all along the sides of the motorway and they park the van in between a couple of trees so that you can't see them until they are about to take a photo - I'm talking less that a second from when you can see them until they take the picture. If you haven't seen any speed camera vehicles 'hiding' like that then you probably passed them without noticing they were there - I seriously doubt that the behavior I see in Auckland isn't repeated elsewhere.

I haven't had any fines for a while though because I sold my car.

Any if you pay those fines then you are a sucker. The cops aren't allowed to be hidden unless they are targetting a specific person.

[Southmotian]

It was a couple of years ago but I emailed NZ Police and they confirmed all x and k had been phased out, KA and laser were in use and they were looking to trial POP-KA. I'd just turn x & k off and you should be good.

Things must have changed with camera vans because when I used a detector regularly (up until about a year ago) they were all KA, just very weak and highly directional KA.

I have x50 too, best bang for buck I reckon:clap:

[CookMySock]

How can you see a van behind a tree a long time before they can see you?After ten or twenty thousand hours driving, you get the hang of it, and after forty thousand hours you can smell them. ;)

Steve

[TerminalAddict]

I'm happily ignoring all the bullshit in this thread ;) .. bah STFU

I read somewhere (maybe all knowing ixion ?!?!?) that the vans were now using K band.

I turned K band on today, and have now turned it off .....
In town (with a screamer) it is embarrassingly annoying. so K band gets turned off again :)

[MarkH]

Any if you pay those fines then you are a sucker. The cops aren't allowed to be hidden unless they are targetting a specific person.

Is this true or just something you made up? I have often seen the speed camera vehicles parked like that - and I don't know if you could claim they were hidden when they parked in plain sight, just not visible until you were within a hundred metres or so of them.

[roogazza]

Laser = on.
Ka = on.
K = on.

A detector is for detecting.

That's what i have switched on. Athough vans are now on K band you can still locate them, signal is less.
For those with V1 , make sure you have the latest software installed, this can be checked via the manual. Gaz.

ps or if you are like Dangerousbastard, you can rely on your cryptonite !

[CookMySock]

ps or if you are like Dangerousbastard, you can rely on your cryptonite !It isn't that. The problem is if you leave K band on, it cries wolf all the time and you get used to not reacting. Half of the problem with detectors is, responding quickly to them, so for me leaving K band on makes the problem worse.

Steve

[pzkpfw]

Drones... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3306026/Fake-speed-radars-used-to-fool-motorists ?

[grusomhat]

Is this true or just something you made up? I have often seen the speed camera vehicles parked like that - and I don't know if you could claim they were hidden when they parked in plain sight, just not visible until you were within a hundred metres or so of them.

There was a bit more to it that I first said, and I guess the definition of "overt" is up to debate however here's the guidelines


# All speed measuring devices are to be operated in an overt manner. Hidden or camouflaged deployment is not to be used unless there is a specific operation targeting offending consisting of:
# Sustained loss of traction; or
# Engaging in an unauthorised street or drag race; or
# Dangerous or reckless driving.
# The operation cannot effectively or safely be conducted using overt means.
# Such operations must be recorded by way of written operation order and pre-approved in writing by the district road policing manager.

Source: http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/services/road-policing/Speed-enforcement.pdf

[Pixie]

Yep. Turn K band off. You are better served to tune your eyes for K band and leave the detector to look after the much more hazardous and invisible Ka band. All fixed automatic cameras are in plain view, and three quarters of Ka band stuff is not, and it has an often very experienced operator behind it who with great levels of glee can pick you out some km away.

Steve

Fixed cameras don't use microwave

[MarkH]

There was a bit more to it that I first said, and I guess the definition of "overt" is up to debate

That's the thing - the speed camera vehicles are positioned in plain sight - you tend to see them as you go passed. I believe at one time they used a camera that was practically out of sight - you would be lucky to see the lens in the bushes (or whatever). But to be 'overt' do they have to have the speed camera visible for more than x distance before you get to it? Or does it just have to be plainly seen as you go passed it?

[CookMySock]

Fixed cameras don't use microwaveX/K/Ka are all 10-34GHz microwave bands. It's just terminology though.

@MarkH, ANY vehicle parked on the side of the road is fair game, and stay out of the left lane where you can.

Steve

[grusomhat]

That's the thing - the speed camera vehicles are positioned in plain sight - you tend to see them as you go passed. I believe at one time they used a camera that was practically out of sight - you would be lucky to see the lens in the bushes (or whatever). But to be 'overt' do they have to have the speed camera visible for more than x distance before you get to it? Or does it just have to be plainly seen as you go passed it?
I guess technically all camera vans are being used in an overt manner. I would assume though that if you can't see the van until you are next to it then it's not being used in an overt manner. I take back my original statement, camera vans are fair game keep an eye out and don't speed down long straights.

X/K/Ka are all 10-34GHz microwave bands. It's just terminology though.

@MarkH, ANY vehicle parked on the side of the road is fair game, and stay out of the left lane where you can.

Steve

The fixed cameras use inductive loops don't they? They definitely aren't radar.

[MarkH]

X/K/Ka are all 10-34GHz microwave bands. It's just terminology though.

@MarkH, ANY vehicle parked on the side of the road is fair game, and stay out of the left lane where you can.

The last ticket I got (back when I drove a car) I was in the right lane out of 3 - staying out of the left lane didn't do shit for me! Changing from 4 wheels to 2 definitely did the job though - speed cameras just aren't the same problem when you have no number plate on the front of your vehicle!

I am cautious about ANY vehicle on the side of the road - but as I mentioned in my first post on this matter - the speed camera vehicle could NOT be seen until it was about to take the picture. It was on the grass at the side of the motorway, nestled in between the trees and bushes - totally unable to be seen until you had less than a second to slow down if you were traveling over 110kph, if you were traveling under 110kph then it really didn't matter.

BTW
Pixie is right - fixed camera DON'T use microwave! They use the loop under the road as grusomhat said - you can see the lines in the road where the loop is.

[CookMySock]

Ah I see what you mean. I did not know that.

Staying in the right lane just gives you more time to see cars parked on the left in gaps.

I think bikers should not be plowing through speed cameras at horrific speeds just coz they can. If you don't watch it, you will have to have rego's on our windscreen.

Steve

[MarkH]

I think bikers should not be plowing through speed cameras at horrific speeds just coz they can. If you don't watch it, you will have to have rego's on our windscreen.

I definitely agree with this - if bikers scream passed the cameras and can't be ticketed then someone will look at what can be changed to make sure that speeding bikers get the tickets - and this will be used for all speeding bikers, not just the insanely fast ones.

[dipshit]

if bikers scream passed the cameras and can't be ticketed then someone will look at what can be changed to make sure that speeding bikers get the tickets.

You mean like a photo database they are compiling by pulling motorcyclists over and taking a photo of them on their bike..???

[Pixie]

X/K/Ka are all 10-34GHz microwave bands. It's just terminology though.

@MarkH, ANY vehicle parked on the side of the road is fair game, and stay out of the left lane where you can.

Steve

"Sigh"Let me explain in easily understood terms: Fixed cameras use sensors in the road to detect vehicles and their speeds,not X/K/Ka EHF,SHF,UHF,VHF,HF,LF,VLF, or any radio waves at all,non,nil ,nada not a bean

[pritch]

It's not like it's one way or the other, all other options excluded.

I can't be bothered with all the false warnings when using the K band locally. In a few weeks though I'm riding over to Hawkes Bay. I have no idea where all the school zones are twixt here and there, so I think it might be wise to turn the K band on for the trip. Shouldn't be too much trouble to turn it off again when I get home. Horses for courses and all that...