MR Motorcycles Waeranga Ride

[noobi]

Sunday February 14th Waeranga

Signposted from SH1 Te Kauwhata and SH2 Maramarua

Starts at Waipuna road Waeranga.
Rolling farmland with bulldozed tracks
Seperate kids loop
In association with Waeranga School
Adult $30
Under 16 $20
Family concession $70

http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/images/trailrideseries09-10.pdf


Scott, will this track be on the other side of the road to last year? and a similar track to the one held 2 years ago with the big hill that goes along the pines near the start ?

[oldguy]

This will be me this weekend, could be a wet one,:woohoo:

[krad_nz]

We'll be there. Should be a good one!

[flyingcr250]

im coming.........is that Spanish shopping trolley gunna be problem free this weekend dale?:Pokey:

[scott411]

it should be over the road from last year,
will confirm later in the week

[noobi]

is that Spanish shopping trolley gunna be problem free this weekend dale?:Pokey:

not making any promises :Pokey:

[scott411]

map to get there



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[RJM]

Thought I might have had to give this a miss but Cyclespot reckon they'll have my wheel repaired by Friday. It shall be interesting to see how the numbers compare to the first two rides - it is Valentines day after all.

How does this ride compare to Glen Murray & Paparimu? I'm still very much a beginner, I enjoyed Paparimu but didn't enjoy being stuck on the big clay hill for an hour.

[SpikedPunch]

It shall be interesting to see how the numbers compare to the first two rides - it is Valentines day after all.

And what is more romantical than a dirty bike ride with your loved one? :innocent:
(And by loved one, I mean bike, of course. :eek:)

[oldskool]

And what is more romantical than a dirty bike ride with your loved one? :innocent:
(And by loved one, I mean bike, of course. :eek:)
Yes I think I heard somewhere Krad the town bike will be there :crazy:

Looking forward to this one, loose sprocket nuts and all!

[laserracer]

Yes I think I heard somewhere Krad the town bike will be there :crazy:

Looking forward to this one, loose sprocket nuts and all!

You have loose ..NUTS ?..That cant be good

[Crisis management]

How does this ride compare to Glen Murray & Paparimu? I'm still very much a beginner, I enjoyed Paparimu but didn't enjoy being stuck on the big clay hill for an hour.

I can't comment on the comparison but I would expect similar terrain with some bits you will find challenging......thats why you go isn't....to learn?

These are family rides and are aimed at providing a ride to suit the majority of the trail riding population from learners to competent riders, make sure you stick to the B loop and get competent on that, if there are hard bits, stop and watch some others and learn how they get around the obstacle...ask questions, people will always try and help.

Make sure your bike is well prepared, has decent tyres and set at a suitable pressure (8-12psi?) then get out there and enjoy yourself.

[oldskool]

You have loose ..NUTS ?..That cant be good

Yeah it's the 3rd time they've come loose now! Loctite doesn't seem to work. This time round the nuts stayed on for 4 weeks. This time I lost 2 bolts, bent two, dented the swingarm.. this is not good.


Originally Posted by RJM
How does this ride compare to Glen Murray & Paparimu? I'm still very much a beginner, I enjoyed Paparimu but didn't enjoy being stuck on the big clay hill for an hour.

Did them last year and the GM and Paps this year. Comparing, I'd say last years Waeranga was hillier otherwise a very similar ride. If you enjoyed GM and Paps you'll enjoy Waeranga. Having said that Waeranga ride this year appears to be located across the road - which I haven't done.

[RJM]

Sounds like I'll cope if I stick to the B loop then. Have really enjoyed the first two rounds. Not bad for only owning a bike for 3 months.

Just have to see if my mate can get a leave pass or I'll be riding solo - perks of single life.

[Jinxycat]

Yeah it's the 3rd time they've come loose now! Loctite doesn't seem to work. This time round the nuts stayed on for 4 weeks. This time I lost 2 bolts, bent two, dented the swingarm.. this is not good.

i keep mine in a bag, could be your problem, lol, you could loose them for good being valentines day and all:bye:

[oldskool]

Sounds like I'll cope if I stick to the B loop then. Have really enjoyed the first two rounds. Not bad for only owning a bike for 3 months.

Just have to see if my mate can get a leave pass or I'll be riding solo - perks of single life.

I'll look out for you. I'll be towing a 3 bike trailer with a Blue/Silver RVR. At this stage there'll be a KTM and a Suzuki DR125 on it. Might have a RM80 and possibly a YZF450 as well.


i keep mine in a bag, could be your problem, lol, you could loose them for good being valentines day and all

And I thought it mighta been the special blend of loctite I used...too creamy

[flyingcr250]

could be wet this weekend.......................interesting

[laserracer]

I'll look out for you. I'll be towing a 3 bike trailer with a Blue/Silver RVR. At this stage there'll be a KTM and a Suzuki DR125 on it. Might have a RM80 and possibly a YZF450 as well.



And I thought it mighta been the special blend of loctite I used...too creamy

4 bikes 3 bike trailer whats that about ....mmmm it can never be to creamy .. mate of mine who desert races ktm 250f in the good ole U.S. of A reakons the red loctite is the go HE ALSO SAID TO GENTLY PLAY WITH YOUR NUTS BEFORE RIDING

[krad_nz]

Yes I think I heard somewhere Krad the town bike will be there :crazy:

Looking forward to this one, loose sprocket nuts and all!

Aye! I would prefer my name was kept out of conversations involving your loose nuts. ;)

[Jinxycat]

wow this thred has really livened up since "old drool" started talking about his nuts

[laserracer]

wow this thred has really livened up since "old drool" started talking about his nuts

Yeah that "old fool"cracks me up .......or was that im on crack and im an oldfool

[Jinxycat]

maybe he could whip them out on sunday and we could all gather round and give opinions LOL,

that is if he still has them for wanting to ride on valentines day

[oldskool]

maybe he could whip them out on sunday and we could all gather round and give opinions LOL,

that is if he still has them for wanting to ride on valentines day
This 'old tool' will be there. Vals day is for unmarried men meaning to impress, not old fool tools who have long left school.

[Jinxycat]

This 'old tool' will be there. Vals day is for unmarried men meaning to impress, not old fool tools who have long left school.

your a gem mate

[RJM]

Just had the baw news from Cyclespot, Honda kindly sent the wrong spokes so I won't be going anywhere bike related this weekend.

Not sure if I'll head to Wairamarama on the 28th either as there are about 4 different rides to choose from on the Sunday.

[2fitty]

how long will it take to get there from auckland, does any1 now?

[oldguy]

If it takes you an hour your lost.

[scott411]

hey Guys, just a bit of a warning about the ride tomorrow, we have not been able to put in a 5km easy loop this time, so we will have the mini track and the main loop which is 27km approx, the main loop is a bit more techincal than we really wanted with a couple of quite hard hills we can not avoid due to some restrictions with land, so basically i am saying if you have someone with you that is very learner and they want to try the big loop for the first time, this is not the ride for them.

thanks and i will see you there

Scott
Mr Motorcycles

[flyingcr250]

hey Guys, just a bit of a warning about the ride tomorrow, we have not been able to put in a 5km easy loop this time, so we will have the mini track and the main loop which is 27km approx, the main loop is a bit more techincal than we really wanted with a couple of quite hard hills we can not avoid due to some restrictions with land, so basically i am saying if you have someone with you that is very learner and they want to try the big loop for the first time, this is not the ride for them.

thanks and i will see you there

Scott
Mr Motorcycles

sounds interesting......

[Reckless]

how long will it take to get there from auckland, does any1 now?

About 1 hour 37 mins according to AA maps from my place in Howick!

Looks like Oldschool may be out with his hub?

OK So who is actually going???

[Jinxycat]

my self and poggy, cant wait, are the KB ers going to group somewhere?

hey oldskool u need some locktite? and no im not trying to be funny for once

[oldskool]

About 1 hour 37 mins according to AA maps from my place in Howick!

Looks like Oldschool may be out with his hub?

OK So who is actually going???

Yeah I'll have to bail from this one. Real bummer.

[2fitty]

hey Guys, just a bit of a warning about the ride tomorrow, we have not been able to put in a 5km easy loop this time, so we will have the mini track and the main loop which is 27km approx, the main loop is a bit more techincal than we really wanted with a couple of quite hard hills we can not avoid due to some restrictions with land, so basically i am saying if you have someone with you that is very learner and they want to try the big loop for the first time, this is not the ride for them.

thanks and i will see you there
Scott
Mr Motorcycles

Are we talking hard and technical for a novice or for a chris birch. am not too keen to spend all day tryn to get up the first hill.

[xen]

Sounds good, will be there :)

[noobi]

ill be there, riding the gasgas with different coloured barkbusters

[SpikedPunch]

We'll be there, those hills sounds exciting/challenging. I'll be on the RM with leopard spots. Krad on the KDX with blingy gold gas cap.

[flyingcr250]

im def going, just fixed the oil leak in my bike:woohoo:

[Chia]

I'll be there! :woohoo:

[green machine]

Yep,i'll be there with the usual suspects

[oldskool]

Yeah bugger it I'm going too! I've done the Glenn Murray and the Paparimu this year, wanna try and do them all..or at least be there!
Leaving Birkenhead probably around 8:30ish, 1 bike on a 3 bike trailer should anyone need a lift.

[hamd0g]

500 bikes... a couple of quite hard hills we can not avoid... its raining atm... hmmmmm. I'd better put a front grab strap on... 3rd lap will be interesting after 1500 bikes just carved up the hills....

[oldskool]

Meeting up with the Jinxed Cat at BP Papakura at 9:10am. Anyone else wanna meet up for a convoy?

[westie]

Heading down tomorrow bout 8 with a few. Mostly girls

[xen]

Meeting up with the Jinxed Cat at BP Papakura at 9:10am. Anyone else wanna meet up for a convoy?

ye should be able to get there by then

[oldskool]

cool, with any luck we'll bump into noobs at the top of the bombays too

[flyingcr250]

ye should be able to get there by then

ha ha ha whatever!

[xen]

ha ha ha whatever!

lol fuker :P

[Reckless]

OK do we want to meet on the way. I'm nigel no mates tomorrow as My riding buddies are fishing and my son is overseas!!
Waste of time telling anyone what your bike looks like from experience once your there you can't find anyone.
I would also beat there's no phone coverage their either!

We usually meet at the BP papakura but because a few of you guys are from Drury and Waiuku way, what about the BP Bombay.
Its an hour from the BP at Bombay (the Mill road one) So say meet there at 8.15am get there 9.15 to give us time to gear up before the start??

Who's in!

Oh and Btw I have a grey mazda proceed ute a blue gazebo and I'll fly the Dirt division flag off the ute in the carpark (this is exactly what they where made for).

Edit: Ah shit you guys posted while I was doin something else??

[Reckless]

Heading down tomorrow bout 8 with a few. Mostly girls

OH shit I'm goin with Westie!!!!!

[K6K]

I'll be there tomorrow.

[flyingcr250]

looks like a big group going

[noobi]

cool, with any luck we'll bump into noobs at the top of the bombays too

were leaving the uku at 8, it wont take us that long to get to bombay. just have to meet in the carpark.
i dont think it takes an hour from the bombays...

[Jinxycat]

im meeting oldskool at papakura services, looking forward to meeting some KB rs

[Reckless]

were leaving the uku at 8, it wont take us that long to get to bombay. just have to meet in the carpark.
i dont think it takes an hour from the bombays...

Are you aiming to meet oldschool, noobi? or leaving earlier we could meet you at the BP bombay Mill road.
we could Try and talk oldschool into getting up a bit earlier. He won't be there and ready to ride till about 11am and I need all the rest I can get between loops LOL!!

[noobi]

Are you aiming to meet oldschool, noobi? or leaving earlier we could meet you at the BP bombay Mill road.
we could Try and talk oldschool into getting up a bit earlier. He won't be there and ready to ride till about 11am and I need all the rest I can get between loops LOL!!

i wasnt planing on it, not on the drive there anyway, always go over for a chat at some point during the day
if we leave waiuku at 8, then we would probably be at the bombay BP around 8:30? we could meet you there mr no mates

[Reckless]

ok Noobi usually have heaps of riding buddies but my usuals are not going my boy is overseas and Cheese Rupe and them don't look like they are going to this one? Actually don't mind riding on my own specially out the sandpit so I can work on my shit at my own speed LOL!!! But a Mr moto ride is more fun with company!
I've sent you a pm for your number!!

[flyingcr250]

i ride by myself all the time

[oldguy]

you scared me off now scott.

[noobi]

i ride by myself all the time

except for the times that you dont...

[green machine]

hey Guys, just a bit of a warning about the ride tomorrow, we have not been able to put in a 5km easy loop this time, so we will have the mini track and the main loop which is 27km approx, the main loop is a bit more techincal than we really wanted with a couple of quite hard hills we can not avoid due to some restrictions with land, so basically i am saying if you have someone with you that is very learner and they want to try the big loop for the first time, this is not the ride for them.

thanks and i will see you there

Scott
Mr Motorcycles

Uphills or downhills????i'm not too keen on the latter

[Jinxycat]

Uphills or downhills????i'm not too keen on the latter

if you go up a big hill you need to go down and vica versa, youll be ok gravity is your friend

[Chia]

Heading down tomorrow bout 8 with a few. Mostly girls

See you in the morning....hope you're ready for a girlie day with lots of giggling...!
Green machine will keep my eye out for u and the boys, be good to catch up again.

[green machine]

if you go up a big hill you need to go down and vica versa, youll be ok gravity is your friend

Haha i realise that....tho a steep uphill doesn't always mean a steep downhill,the trail may meander around for a bit if you get my drift.....i HATE steep downhills,even more in the wet

[flyingcr250]

Haha i realise that....tho a steep uphill doesn't always mean a steep downhill,the trail may meander around for a bit if you get my drift.....i HATE steep downhills,even more in the wet

just go with the flow, if that means sliding down a hill on your face then so be it. ha ha ha;)

[green machine]

Yeah no worries Chia....will be with the crew i was with at The Farm with.......i'll keep a lazy eye out for you guys as well

[oldskool]

just go with the flow, if that means sliding down a hill on your face then so be it. ha ha ha;)

just don't lock bars with me on your way down!

[green machine]

just go with the flow, if that means sliding down a hill on your face then so be it. ha ha ha;)

Yea man i can live with that,it's the going over the handlebars i'm gunshy of.......not sure if the healed up collarbone is ready for another one of those................geez i sound like a girl!!!!!

[SpikedPunch]

Yea man i can live with that,it's the going over the handlebars i'm gunshy of.......not sure if the healed up collarbone is ready for another one of those................geez i sound like a girl!!!!!

You don't sound like a girl, I don't see any girls complaining :innocent:

[flyingcr250]

You don't sound like a girl, I don't see any girls complaining :innocent:

ba ha ha ha

[green machine]

You don't sound like a girl, I don't see any girls complaining :innocent:

Haha well ya got me there......there is no comeback for that one

[westie]

ok Noobi usually have heaps of riding buddies but my usuals are not going my boy is overseas and Cheese Rupe and them don't look like they are going to this one? Actually don't mind riding on my own specially out the sandpit so I can work on my shit at my own speed LOL!!! But a Mr moto ride is more fun with company!
I've sent you a pm for your number!!

We'll be in the red toyota hilux with airfaom on it. Will be stopping at the bp auto bahn bout 845

[flyingcr250]

awesome ride, was slippery as a mother f***er on the first loop, dried out on the second loop, and by my 5th loop it was very dusty in places, met up with a few kbers. good day out

[scott411]

561 riders today, sorry about the late start with having to reroute the track, but it made it a lot better,

and then the helicopter, a lot of people got to see the best piece of helicopter flying i have ever seen, to place one wheel on a knob at the bottom of a gully so we could load someone in, those Westpac flyers are something else, thanks to everyone that helped out and waited patiently for us to clear everything,

if anyone has video or photos of it the pilot would love to see them, email me them at scott@mrmotorcycles.co.nz or post them on here,

Scott

[oldguy]

yeah mate that was an awesome bit of flying I wish I had a camera, was an awesome ride mate I managed to flip the bike twice, only bent lever and dented pride, but all in all a great day.

Will do the Westpac charity ride (Road) again this year. to support them.

[oldskool]

561 riders today, sorry about the late start with having to reroute the track, but it made it a lot better,

and then the helicopter, a lot of people got to see the best piece of helicopter flying i have ever seen, to place one wheel on a knob at the bottom of a gully so we could load someone in, those Westpac flyers are something else, thanks to everyone that helped out and waited patiently for us to clear everything,

if anyone has video or photos of it the pilot would love to see them, email me them at scott@mrmotorcycles.co.nz or post them on here,

Scott

Only video footage of it I have is looking across the valley up at it when it was taking off...and it was a speck on my wide angle :weep:

[hamd0g]

same problem with the photos i got........

[oldskool]

same problem with the photos i got........

how did the ones come out at the river crossing?

[westie]

Nice slippery ride.
Those westpac guys are unbeleivable. I was cringing watching them land to pick up the poor fella. Top gun pilot
That green quad looked stuffed down the bottom of the hill too.

[flyingcr250]

i saw that green quad too, man that guy was a fair way down the hill, i only saw the helicopter from the carpark.

[green machine]

There were two guys on some grunty sounding Kawasaki quads riding like maniacs....ran me off the trail passing where there wasn't room,one of the lads said it was one of those two that came a cropper,you can almost spot the people that are gonna get hurt ......for the record my dislike of going down steep hills is still alive and well after a runaway crash at that first steep hill......

[hamd0g]

how did the ones come out at the river crossing?http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196310
not too bad ive got an album of the pics that wernt blurry...

[oldskool]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196310
not too bad ive got an album of the pics that wernt blurry...

sweet, can I grab a few images to prove to my daughter that it was best she missed this one out

[hamd0g]

More pics of today...


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196316
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196315
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196314
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=196311

[2fitty]

gutted, missed this 1, mate pussed out last min, anyone take any more pics? Are there any rides on this weekend

[Reckless]

Was a really good ride! For the first time I felt I needed a bit more out of the little Ktm! It felt a bloody flat all day!
Its going fine but I'm gonna have to jet it a bit less rich, give the power valve a quarter of a turn, and maybe have to lash out for a $30 dollar plug instead of an $8 dollar one!

Ah well my new riding buddies where great! Xen, Oldschool, Hamdog and jinxcy met up at the BP and we traveled down together.
We put the Gazebo and KB flag up on the ute and Climintie, Flying Cr and Noobi found us as well! great bunch, great day! Thanks lads.

There was nothing to hard there scott, good track mate!! I actually made it up all the hills without arsing off once for a change!
Finally getting the hang of, less throttle = more grip LOL!! Hard to teach an old dog new tricks Aye!!
We didn't get a final loop in as the waiting time was a bit long on some of the bits others found a bit technical, that first traffic jamb was a monster, but it is a trail ride so thats all good!!
I guess you guys decided to close it down when the river bank got so rutted very few could make it LOL!! That was my only blue of the day ended up with my butt in the river!

Cheers scott great day!!

Ah well thats my ride report! Cheers all!
Btw Geenmachine it was me that tooted at you when you where waiting in the way out I recognized the ute from your description!

[oldguy]

There were two guys on some grunty sounding Kawasaki quads riding like maniacs....ran me off the trail passing where there wasn't room,one of the lads said it was one of those two that came a cropper,you can almost spot the people that are gonna get hurt ......for the record my dislike of going down steep hills is still alive and well after a runaway crash at that first steep hill......

they came ripping passed me, at the start where you droped down into the first little bush, just squeezed me out the way.

I had an incident free first loop, second loop was going well, alot faster,all the way up to that bad accident:doctor:, was all good from there till I hit the river crossing, didn't have enough momentum and got stuck :doh: had to drag the bike back into the creek, and run at it again.
I was stuffed after that, as you head up through the bush and out at the top you go down the steep hill throught the gate and up steep wooped out hill thats where I flipped it, had to roll back down to the gate to restart the bike, had another crack got almost to the top and flipped it again:doh:

[green machine]

Well ya tooted at someone Reckless but i don't think it was me :)....i was in my mates boy racer looking Subaru(mid life crises i think).....didn't enjoy the ride,or more to the point i didn't enjoy my bike....i've come to the conclusion after a broken collarbone,getting thrown down a steep hill today and basically fighting to control it every time i ride it that the 450 is tooooo much bike for me so i'm getting rid of it

[oldguy]

mate I love the WR, in those wet slippery conditions it was awesome great engine braking down good power going uuuuuuuuup

[clmintie]

Nearly didn't go to this ride as we spent Saturday with KTMboy on his adventure ride. Woke up at 6.30 to heavy rain so rolled over till 8.30, when Sophie demanded I get up and take her riding..... First loop was a bit of a challenge for her, but she made it up and down all the hills completely on her own, passing a lot of horizontal "better" riders in the process. The track was simply stella in the afternoon, and while Sophie is still a bit tentative on the steeper down hills, she fair flew up all the uphills and has really got the hang of using the clutch to control drive, while keeping the revs up... VERY proud Dad........ AND she's already cleaned her bike and riding gear......

So, thanks to KTMboy for a sneak preview of his new adventure ride on Saturday and to Scott411 for an awesome Sunday.. Two beaut days riding..... Life IS good....

[Reckless]

Well ya tooted at someone Reckless but i don't think it was me :).. it

Oh I saw a red ute with Air Something?? on it lol!! Might have been airfoam? oh well I might have another friend??? LOL!!


....i've come to the conclusion after a broken collarbone,getting thrown down a steep hill today and basically fighting to control it every time i ride it that the 450 is tooooo much bike for me so i'm getting rid of it

I went through exatly the same thing with the Cr250 ( good bike in the right hands) similar horsepower to a 450 4T (49-51 horsepower ish). I was always tentitve on the gas and it would get away from me every now and then. After many years of karting (I know 2 smokers pretty well) therefore a 2Smoker it had to be, so I could do all my own work. I've only been riding trials/MX for 3 years or so and with the japs going out of 2smokers that only really left an 03 Ktm in my price bracket. I looked at the 250 and 300, then discovered the 200 had a 125 size frame with good torque and horse power. The 250/300 share the 300 frame and the 125/200 the 125 frame. If I was going to step down might as well go the whole hog so I went for the smaller chassis (125 size) with the 200cc 42 horse smoker in it for torque. Bought a 03 200exc then another for to replace my sons CR125, then a good deal on the 08 came up. As you can probably tell I bloody love the thing! Good enough for my fat tired old arse! LOL!!
You should have come and found us I don't mind swapping for a loop??

I am not saying you should get a Ktm by any means as a Wr or a 250 4T would be good as well, but ride them all then choose!

Really just saying I was in the same boat as you and going smaller made me enjoy the sport so much more and at my age/experiance winning isn't an option so it worked out good! Do it mate big cc's on the side didn't make me fasterer! LOL!!! you won't regret it!

[oldskool]

As you can probably tell I bloody love the thing! Good enough for my fat tired old arse! LOL!!
You should have come and found us I don't mind swapping for a loop??



I'll post some footage of you tomorrow and everyone will see how well you ride the bloody thing! :Punk:

[Reckless]

I'll post some footage of you tomorrow and everyone will see how well you ride the bloody thing! :Punk:

I hate it when I see pics of me (never seen any vid) I always reckon I look like im having a shit rather than piloting an MX bike LOL!!!
My body position is always wrong. I must do a broxy coarse one day???

[barty5]

Come on have a cup a concrete

[scott411]

i just spoke to Ian's wife, Ian was the poor chap helicoptered out, he has a few broken ribs and a punctured lung,but should be relesed this afternoon, he was not on the green quad that was at the bottom of the gully, that happened while we were attending to him, it is quite impressive how high quads can bounce,

while we are talking about injuries, i would like to thank the medics from the Pukekohe Motorcycle Club for helping us out with 5 of the 6 rides this year, we had two advanced paramedics and a qualified anthetist there on sunday, which means pain releif and the level of care was much higher this year. thanks

[Reckless]

Good the hear he will be ok!

We saw a quad guy loose it. Not a big loose but went off on a corner then rolled down the bank. Then the bloody quad came and rolled over him!
How come they always seem to hit the rider?? BLOODY DANGEROUS things I reckon!

Anyway thanks from us all for the ride Mate! Cheers!

[xen]

Woa he was lucky, that was a real big fall. Quads are goddamn dangerous. Cool riding with kbers that creek crossing was fun lol

[Jinxycat]

the creek was entertainment in its self, watching the people in front stuck in the ruts or falling over, i thought i was doing really well till i went to got on the bike in the car park and totaly toppled over in front of every one, if that wasnt bad enough oldskool got it on video, LOL

[oldskool]

the creek was entertainment in its self, watching the people in front stuck in the ruts or falling over, i thought i was doing really well till i went to got on the bike in the car park and totaly toppled over in front of every one, if that wasnt bad enough oldskool got it on video, LOL
You mean this?
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[hamd0g]

Haahah classic... id be blaming that on the busted up leg.....

[hamd0g]

Not sure if this is right or not??? but here goes...

River Crossing Vid Waerenga 2010....



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[krad_nz]

Cheers for the vid. Log jams like that look frustrating.

Looks easy enough to get up the bank as long as you had a bit of speed? Arm chair critic :P

[green machine]

Oh I saw a red ute with Air Something?? on it lol!! Might have been airfoam? oh well I might have another friend??? LOL!!



I went through exatly the same thing with the Cr250 ( good bike in the right hands) similar horsepower to a 450 4T (49-51 horsepower ish). I was always tentitve on the gas and it would get away from me every now and then. After many years of karting (I know 2 smokers pretty well) therefore a 2Smoker it had to be, so I could do all my own work. I've only been riding trials/MX for 3 years or so and with the japs going out of 2smokers that only really left an 03 Ktm in my price bracket. I looked at the 250 and 300, then discovered the 200 had a 125 size frame with good torque and horse power. The 250/300 share the 300 frame and the 125/200 the 125 frame. If I was going to step down might as well go the whole hog so I went for the smaller chassis (125 size) with the 200cc 42 horse smoker in it for torque. Bought a 03 200exc then another for to replace my sons CR125, then a good deal on the 08 came up. As you can probably tell I bloody love the thing! Good enough for my fat tired old arse! LOL!!
You should have come and found us I don't mind swapping for a loop??

I am not saying you should get a Ktm by any means as a Wr or a 250 4T would be good as well, but ride them all then choose!

Really just saying I was in the same boat as you and going smaller made me enjoy the sport so much more and at my age/experiance winning isn't an option so it worked out good! Do it mate big cc's on the side didn't make me fasterer! LOL!!! you won't regret it!

I think the Airfoam ute was Westie,Chia etc,wise words about the bike mate,i myself have only been riding for 3 years and went from a KXF250 to my current ride which i think was a f**kup of epic proportions,i just don't have the experience or riding skill to control it.I was just hitting my straps on the 250 and jumped the gun getting the big banger....i'll sort something out cause riding dirtbikes is toooo much fun to give it up!!

[xen]

Hahahaa cool vids

hamdog you copy the embed code from youtube and paste it in message box without doing anything to it.

Ya those ruts were getting pretty deep by the end of it but some guys did just cane up em

[green machine]

Come on have a cup a concrete

Your not the first experienced rider to say that Barty,the boys said that as well,unfortunatly you along with my riding mates will be nowhere in site when i'm struggling my arse off,wondering if i'm riding a bike or a bucking bronco

[barty5]

yah just give it more gas

[chop]

Your not the first experienced rider to say that Barty,the boys said that as well,unfortunatly you along with my riding mates will be nowhere in site when i'm struggling my arse off,wondering if i'm riding a bike or a bucking bronco

I sat at the creek and waited for an hour or so for some friends. Spent a lot of time helping others at the creek, filled the rut a few times with ferns to give people a bit more traction,and lifted alot of bikes out. I may have give you lift green machine? it pays to remember your roots at these things and give others a hand sometimes after all its not a race. i really enjoyed my day and was a good change to have a cruisey ride

[green machine]

Yeah mate you did help me,i had a crack at the left hand crossing and stalled the Green Beast ,they are heavy when your shagged,you were having a sit down and came to my rescue....cheers for that,and as you saw,none of the 5 guys i came with were anywhere to be seen,haha

[Ride it till the red]

Your not the first experienced rider to say that Barty,the boys said that as well,unfortunatly you along with my riding mates will be nowhere in site when i'm struggling my arse off,wondering if i'm riding a bike or a bucking bronco

You say "bucking bronco".... what do you mean by this?
I only ask as the bucking almost makes me think of suspension? Set up wrong perhaps? How much do you weigh?
I'm 19 and well under 6 foot and weigh in at approx 65 kilo..... I know my RMZ has far more power than I or most other people can handle, but it is at the turn of MY wrist...
I also know that I would be quicker in most places on a 250 as it would be alot more nimble. But the explosive power of the big bore is just too addictive...
I plan to look seriously into the KTM 350's when they are around as a step forward in speed. If this doesn't eventuate for me I'll be looking at an injected 250 with 290 kit and a pipe.... But not before putting in a bunch more hours on the big bore as training, it's certainly more of a workout to ride and the quicker I get on this through the trees the quicker I know I'll be on something lighter.

All I'm saying is think a little more about the 450 before you flick it and lose a bunch of cash (presuming you bought it new) just coz it gave you a scare or two.

[chop]

Yeah mate you did help me,i had a crack at the left hand crossing and stalled the Green Beast ,they are heavy when your shagged,you were having a sit down and came to my rescue....cheers for that,and as you saw,none of the 5 guys i came with were anywhere to be seen,haha

haha no danger, they get a tad heavy when your shagged. I doubt you were the only one left to wallow. The MR marshalls were there 2nd time round and did a top job. its always a mish trying to help people who have no energy left and mud laddened bikes! glad i could help ya

[green machine]

You say "bucking bronco".... what do you mean by this?
I only ask as the bucking almost makes me think of suspension? Set up wrong perhaps? How much do you weigh?
I'm 19 and well under 6 foot and weigh in at approx 65 kilo..... I know my RMZ has far more power than I or most other people can handle, but it is at the turn of MY wrist...
I also know that I would be quicker in most places on a 250 as it would be alot more nimble. But the explosive power of the big bore is just too addictive...
I plan to look seriously into the KTM 350's when they are around as a step forward in speed. If this doesn't eventuate for me I'll be looking at an injected 250 with 290 kit and a pipe.... But not before putting in a bunch more hours on the big bore as training, it's certainly more of a workout to ride and the quicker I get on this through the trees the quicker I know I'll be on something lighter.

All I'm saying is think a little more about the 450 before you flick it and lose a bunch of cash (presuming you bought it new) just coz it gave you a scare or two.

Valid points mate,but i'm a late bloomer at this riding caper,started at 38....41 now,i started after my mates nagged me to get a bike,now i'm hooked,was loving the 250f but got caught up in the hype and manly banter and thought "i can handle a 450",it has become obvious that i can't.....

[Ktmboy]

Where was the river??

[Reckless]

Where was the river??

Ha it was just a little stream Mate but the opposite bank bank got rutted out with all the bikes!
Not many could make it up as the ruts jammed the pegs.
I thought I'm gonna give this shit and push it through under power!
So I gave it shit then the front wheel was pointing at the sky as it pivoted on the back wheel jambed in the rut.
Then I was on my arse in the river LOL!!! I managed to push the front wheel back over so it was jambed right way up in the rut! At least I didn't have to crawl out from under it in the water LOL!!!
Bugger the only time I didn't make something all day had to be in front of 100 other bikers waiting their turn! LOL!!!
Ah well if you don't have a sense of humor in this game your stuffed Aye!!!

[telliman]

haha, wats worst than a log jam waiting to cross the river? a log jam trying to go down the river! lol

[oldskool]

Sound is crap so turn volume right down....I'll replace the unbreakable but broken housing for it one of these days!

Here's part of the ride that was dry.

Around 10 minutes into it yawl be treated to a Quad bouncin down a steep hill.

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[krad_nz]

Wow looks like it was a mint ride!

[Reckless]

Got up and waiting for my son to come back from overseas so had a few minutes to kill b4 he arrives home.


Wow looks like it was a mint ride!

Yeh mate it wasn't to bad, That was the second loop so the traffic jambs where less, Well? till we got to the chopper where everyone had to stop.
I had a quick look at the speedo on one of those paddocks was doin 110Kph, dunno if we went faster or not but that was what was showing when i remembered to look LOL!!
That bloody quad rolled right over the guy, bugger those for a joke. He looked a bit sore but there where plenty of guys going to help so we went on!
From the impression I got all the carnage was quads through out the day.

As I said before the bike was a quite flat in its power, really rich, black plug, (my fault) so its in bits now, seat off tail section off, carby stripped.

Btw Does anyone know a good place I can get 162 & 160 main jets for a 38mm Keihin carb. 6mm x 10mm long. They want $20 bucks each locally!! bugger that!

[scott411]

got them in stock reckless, and $12 each

[Reckless]

got them in stock reckless, and $12 each

Thanks scott but a guy I buy Some Z1r bits off in Whitford has them and thats local from Howick so I'll just grab them from there.
$12 bucks is a shit load better deal then the shop here keep up the good work for us mate! Cheers!

[scott411]

my guess is Mr Saunders that you buy your Z1 parts for, we stock a full range of mikuni and Keihen jets for popular mx models, give us a yell if you need anything else

[Reckless]

Na mate Alec from SME. Who is Mr Suanders? PM me his Contact always good to have another option for rare bike bits.

[scott411]

Same man, SME + Saunders Motorcycle Epuipment

[Reckless]

Sound is crap so turn volume right down....I'll replace the unbreakable but broken housing for it one of these days!

Here's part of the ride that was dry.

Around 10 minutes into it yawl be treated to a Quad bouncin down a steep hill.

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Oh by the away thanks for the vid and the effort to edit etc Oldschool!
Pity about the sound' nice to have heard the bikes, where you giving the big 350 a few revs LOL!!!

[oldskool]

Oh by the away thanks for the vid and the effort to edit etc Oldschool!
Pity about the sound' nice to have heard the bikes, where you giving the big 350 a few revs LOL!!!

Yeah the housing is a waterproof polycarbonate enclosure, for audible sound to record it needs a sensitive high gain mic, because the clasp that clamps the enclosure shut is broke more sound can enter and the mic overloads. I'll tape some sticky over the mic next time.
Gearing on the old girl is too tall, I'll try a front sprocket with one less tooth. Maybe then I'll keep up with yah on the sprints!

[IIIRII]

not smaller front ...
bigger rear

[hamd0g]

its a lot cheaper to do the front... around $20.... one tooth less at the front is equal to approx three teeth more at rear. if you already have a 13 on the front id go bigger at the rear as the tighter curve of the smaller diameter 12 tooth sprocket can wear your chain quicker. well thats what ive read somewhere anyway..

[green machine]

So what does 1 going 1 tooth up on the front equate to?

[hamd0g]

will have the opposite effect.... as if you were going down 3 at the back... higher top end speed...but less torque, so takes a bit longer to get there...

maybe not less torqe but the gears will be slightly longer, giving the feeling of less torque imo.

[Reckless]

yeh like typical Enduro mod for the Cr 250 was to go from a 13 front to a 14 The motor delivered enough torque to handle this and it mediated a lot of the sting out of the bike. Ie it made it more enduro baised. Although a good rider like B000M (who has raced a lot) can handle it people like me and Cheese preferred the less savage power hit of the 14 front for forest riding, and climbing muddy inclines etc.

I think you get the drift now?

Btw they say it is better to do the 3 teeth change on the rear as going smaller in the front (if this is the preference) wears the chain more. Depends on what you want to do with your wheel base length as well of coarse. Handling is a thing some forget when they stuff around with gearing? You might decide to add a link to your chain to keep the rear in the same place if you make the rear sprocket bigger???


So what does 1 going 1 tooth up on the front equate to?


The above might be worth considering for you Green machine have a search or talk to the Kawasaki boys and see if it something they do to mild out the 450 (Not sure if they do this sorta thing on 4 strokes). Scott ( Mr Motocycles) should be able to tell you as I have no clue but its worth $20 bucks for a new front sprocket to give it a go??

[green machine]

Yeah Reckless,that's the train of thought i'm following,been talking to Scotty today about some options,i'm gonna try a 14t front sprocket along with a G2 Throttle Cam System,i've had the bike re-mapped,tho it can be tweaked a bit more apparently....i'll lose too much money if i downgrade so i'm just gonna try a few things to make it a bit more user friendly

[flyingcr250]

Yeah Reckless,that's the train of thought i'm following,been talking to Scotty today about some options,i'm gonna try a 14t front sprocket along with a G2 Throttle Cam System,i've had the bike re-mapped,tho it can be tweaked a bit more apparently....i'll lose too much money if i downgrade so i'm just gonna try a few things to make it a bit more user friendly

burn it, at least then it'll be that beautiful shade of orange.......lol

[noobi]

put a flywheel weight on it...
worked really well on a mates yzf450, the bike was a bit spastic before hand, now its very controlable and a accidental grab at the throttle doesnt mean a backflip

[green machine]

If it was Orange i wouldn't be having trouble with too much power...........:chase: that's a bunch of KTM Riders,hahaha

[green machine]

Looked into that(FWW),they don't do them for the 09 Kxf,gota put in a steel clutch basket......i'll just try 1 thing at a time,i'll get there in the end

[noobi]

oh ok. that sucks.
With my mates yzf, you have to buy a whole new GYTR heavy flywheel as there isnt enough room in the case to put a weight on top, id say thats the same deal with your kxf.

Scott, ill bring you a cd with the helicopter rescue on it tomorrow, if your around the shop. I was over by the fence so the quality isnt amazing, but you can clearly see whats happening, even have you asking for the video on camera....lol

[Ktmboy]

Oh by the away thanks for the vid and the effort to edit etc Oldschool!
Pity about the sound' nice to have heard the bikes, where you giving the big 350 a few revs LOL!!!

Good work guys. Hopefully time will allow us to ride one of these rides one day soon.

[oldguy]

If it was Orange i wouldn't be having trouble with too much power...........:chase: that's a bunch of KTM Riders,hahaha

mate you doing the good time scrambles, thats just the thing for the big bike, help build you confidence, did you do any of the maize paddock MX last year?

[Reckless]

Good work guys. Hopefully time will allow us to ride one of these rides one day soon.

Love to have you Mate!

Oldschool, Even with a helmet vid it was very hard to tell how steep those descents where.

Ah well next meet ?? scrambles or Moto ride???

[Crisis management]

along with a G2 Throttle Cam System,

The G2 is a bit pricey so leave that till last, adjusting the throttle cam makes a big difference (it did on my 990) but you can also do it yourself with a file or Dremel tool in about 5 minutes.......not as adjustable as the G2 system but $200 cheaper, just buy a spare throttle tube so you can revert to original if you need to.

[CRF119]

I cant beleve you are going to all that effort to slow a bike down.......

Nice vid :) Mite have to head up that way for a ride sometime

[IIIRII]

Unfortunatly its not quite as simple as going from a 14 t to a 13 t on the front as the 13 t will make it a lot more prone to wanting to lift the front.
Having actually owned the bike .....

[Ride it till the red]

Unfortunatly its not quite as simple as going from a 14 t to a 13 t on the front as the 13 t will make it a lot more prone to wanting to lift the front.
Having actually owned the bike .....

Would this not be the case either way? I'd expect that to be the result of lowering the gearing no matter which way it was done? Or is there something about changing it at the rear that does it differently?

[scott411]

I spoke to Ian the man helicoptered out last night, he has 9 broken ribs, and had a collapsed and punchured lunge,

[barty5]

ouch my one or cracked ones last year at the 2 man where bad enough.

[buffstar]

I spoke to Ian the man helicoptered out last night, he has 9 broken ribs, and had a collapsed and punchured lunge,

Ouch!! poor guy!! he has my profound sympathy. I didnt know this was a relatively common accident? I've heard of lots of ppl breaking collarbones but the puntured lung/rib thing is just NASTY. Seriously nine broken ribs?!! WTF thats just crazy. How did that happen? - surely not an extinguisher?
Poor dude, please pass on my best wishes if you talk to him again.

[Reckless]

I spoke to Ian the man helicoptered out last night, he has 9 broken ribs, and had a collapsed and punchured lunge,

Was he all the way down in that gully Scott wasn't he? Did he come of a bike or quad scott?

Then you saw another quad bouncing all the way down into the gully didn't you??

[scott411]

he came off a two wheeler and bounced a long way down a steep hill, was prob 100 metres below the track, and to who how steep it was, you could not see him from the track above,

while we were sitting there helping him, a quad came off the track into the same gully, he was prob 1/2 a km before where ian came off but it was a good veiw seeing the quad roll down the hill, the quad rider did not injure himself

[raglanash]

I spoke to Ian the man helicoptered out last night, he has 9 broken ribs, and had a collapsed and punchured lunge,

Poor bastard, he trumps my 6 + lung, did he break any of his spinal processes ?? I smacked 7 of those off as well. I feel his pain, absolutley nothing you can do about it but lie still, the most frustrating injury ever.
Thank god for drugs and the discovery channel, takes about 3 months to get back onto the bike. This time of year it's like falling onto concrete.
Get well soon Ian! You will ride again!

Hows the girl who landed on the extinguisher going? Was that you buffstar?

[Ktmboy]

Thats what happens when kids get onto the computer when parents fail to log out. Little shit!

[barty5]

interesting but sorry not interested

[Reckless]

im gay i like men

WTF!!! mate you having a breakdown???

Sheep as well by the look of the aviator??LOL!!

[oldskool]

im gay i like men

Really! You hid it quite well. How long have you known?

[green machine]

I cant beleve you are going to all that effort to slow a bike down.......

Nice vid :) Mite have to head up that way for a ride sometime

Well as i said i jumped the gun getting a 450,it'll cost 2 much to go back to a 250,so i'm looking for ways to take out some of the instant power that FI creates,so i can enjoy it more,we aren't all superstar riders.................see not that hard to believe

[green machine]

Cheers man,yeah i think i'm gonna flag the G2...........Ouch on the 9 broken ribs,must be a nightmare moving around

[Ktmboy]

Really! You hid it quite well. How long have you known?

Kids eh. Warning to parents. Remember to log out. Little prick.

[Jinxycat]

Kids eh. Warning to parents. Remember to log out. Little prick.

ha ha, that'll learn you, lol

you had oldskool excited then

[Reckless]

Kids eh. Warning to parents. Remember to log out. Little prick.

Yeh right blame it on the kids!! Coming out on KB you do it style Bro! (or should that be sis?)


hehe he got you good though!! LOL!!!

[Reckless]

Have you deleted the post you naughty boy! We could just keep quoting it LOL!!! :spanking::buggerd:


im gay i like men

[Jinxycat]

Have you deleted the post you naughty boy! We could just keep quoting it LOL!!! :spanking::buggerd:

or add it to our signitures, lol

[SpikedPunch]

Ahaha, I need to go do that to my Dad on his windsurfing forums. Good one, jr :laugh:

[Reckless]

or add it to our signature, lol

Haa tried that but I have more than four lines so it didn't work!!

I might be paying more at the sandpit if I'm not careful LOL!!! or getting a season pass for shutting up LOL!!!!

[oldguy]

Well as i said i jumped the gun getting a 450,it'll cost 2 much to go back to a 250,so i'm looking for ways to take out some of the instant power that FI creates,so i can enjoy it more,we aren't all superstar riders.................see not that hard to believe

you could go with the KLX , CRFX, WR or the New RMX450Z remember you are trying to trail ride a full on MX bike.

[Jinxycat]

Haa tried that but I have more than four lines so it didn't work!!

I might be paying more at the sandpit if I'm not careful LOL!!! or getting a season pass for shutting up LOL!!!!

like this, lol

[Ktmboy]

Make the most out of it Homies. I've a long memory. Ha ha. Its still ok to smack kids...isn't it?

[Jinxycat]

Make the most out of it Homies. I've a long memory. Ha ha. Its still ok to smack kids...isn't it?
phone books don't leave marks............err so 'im told that is

[Reckless]

Make him write it a thousand times so he can get his capitals and punctuation right.

Here like this
I'm gay! I like men!! LOL!!LOL!!

[Reckless]

Make him write it a thousand times so he can get his capitals and punctuation right.

Here like this
I'm gay! I like men!! LOL!!LOL!!

[Reckless]

oh damn a double post how did that happen??? :whistle:

[Jinxycat]

Make him write it a thousand times so he can get his capitals and punctuation right.

Here like this LOL!!LOL!!:laugh: ha ha ha ha

[Midget200]

Kids eh. Warning to parents. Remember to log out. Little prick.

LMAO! Go Logan!!! Backs against the walls guys at the Scramble! Go KTM Girl! Now I know why you want a wet t-shirt competition, you want to be the major attraction.

[barty5]

And just when i thought you where going to get your bike all decked out in pink

[buffstar]

Poor bastard, he trumps my 6 + lung, did he break any of his spinal processes ?? I smacked 7 of those off as well. I feel his pain, absolutley nothing you can do about it but lie still, the most frustrating injury ever.
Thank god for drugs and the discovery channel, takes about 3 months to get back onto the bike. This time of year it's like falling onto concrete.
Get well soon Ian! You will ride again!

Hows the girl who landed on the extinguisher going? Was that you buffstar?

Yep that was me, going all good this end. Still hurts to sneeze and I need a trip to the Osteopath BUT I got on my bike yesterday out at the sandpit with a girlfriend and had a great time!! :banana: Not particularly fast tho (funnily enuf) scared meself afew times but meh, you get that.



Thats what happens when kids get onto the computer when parents fail to log out. Little shit!

LOL LOL LOL. Cheeky little toad. Gotta luv him. (dont forget I've seen you in your 'village ppl' chaps and dont necessarily believe it was the boy with that post) :clap:

[chop]

Kids eh. Warning to parents. Remember to log out. Little prick.

hahahahahahaha GOLD!!!!

[scott411]

video of the westpac pick up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Wvcirk-m8

thanks Noobi,

[IIIRII]

Would this not be the case either way? I'd expect that to be the result of lowering the gearing no matter which way it was done? Or is there something about changing it at the rear that does it differently?

NO Its how the power is delivered
Think of it like this if you can
with a 13 t front / assume the back wheel is locked....the bike will climb up the chain easier than it would with a 14 or 15 t front ...
The FINAL ratio between the front and rear may change but thats only going to alter top speed in each gear.

[Ride it till the red]

NO Its how the power is delivered
Think of it like this if you can
with a 13 t front / assume the back wheel is locked....the bike will climb up the chain easier than it would with a 14 or 15 t front ...
The FINAL ratio between the front and rear may change but thats only going to alter top speed in each gear.

Now you've really got me thinking!

I can see what your saying but I would have still thought that the engine (and therefore the shaft that the front sprocket is mounted to) would still drive the wheel (being where the resistance is) in the same way if the final drive ratio was the same no matter what combination of sprockets was used to acheive this.

I don't doubt your knowledge as I've seen many intelligent posts from you in the past I'm just not seeing the difference, I'm extremely interested in the idea behind it though as I'm looking to get more top end speed out of my RMZ but certainly don't want to lose any more of the explosive wheelstand out of corner power than I need to....

Don't shoot me if this post is a mess, it would have been better a few beers back... Maybe

[oldskool]

NO Its how the power is delivered
Think of it like this if you can
with a 13 t front / assume the back wheel is locked....the bike will climb up the chain easier than it would with a 14 or 15 t front ...
The FINAL ratio between the front and rear may change but thats only going to alter top speed in each gear.

Assuming the rear wheel is locked, either way the engine will still stall. Maybe a little more possibility to stretch the chain with a smaller front sprocket.

Other factors could be factored into this debate. The cost of a $40 front sprocket over a $120 rear sprocket is a good argument. The clearance between the rear sprocket and the chain guide is another. The requirement to lengthen the chain length could be thrown in. Whether an increase of 2.5 teeth is acceptable or whether you'd want just a 1 rear tooth increase could be another argument.

I'll stick to changing the front sprocket and making that front wheel pop up easier! Done.

[Reckless]

Unfortunatly its not quite as simple as going from a 14 t to a 13 t on the front as the 13 t will make it a lot more prone to wanting to lift the front.
Having actually owned the bike .....

no matter how the gearing change is done and the effects on the drive (ie stress on the sprockets). And I think IIIRII theories are correct! ( more on that later).
The effect on the bike will be the same no matter how you change the gearing. You will get more low down grunt! Is this a good thing if your not an expert rider my opinion NO.
You end up fighting the bike more when you don't need to Ie on slippery slopes, in the trees and it will charge ahead out of corners etc. It will be like a bull at a gate! If you want this sort of power delivery go for it but if you want tractable torque stick with the bigger front. Simple as that! Just because you have more instant power doesn't mean you will be faster, you have to be good enough to hit those berms hard and fast so your ride is flowing not losing your momentum in wheel spin and outa control power! You will turn it into an MX bike rather than a enduro bike with this approach. I for one went through this with the CR it was a brilliant bike in the hands of a better rider but for me no where near as predictable or controllable. Up to you but be careful you don't end up with a savage beast your fighting all the time.

Now to IIIRII theories? Putting a 13 on the front IMHO will put more pressure on the rear sprocket. Most people do it this way but I reckon the better way is to do it via the rear and increase the length of the chain to maintain wheelbase length. It is well noted on the net this puts a lot less strain on the drive components. Also if you shorten the wheelbase you will have to fight harder to keep the front on the ground compounding the aggressive gearing. It will also reduce the turning radius of the front sprocket wearing the chain more (from what I have read).

So its up to you, you have our opinion on the effects. Personally I wouldn't do it. The change your talking about would slow me down in all areas other than an open blast along a paddock or a road section!

Just my 2c???

[Crisis management]

The change your talking about would slow me down in all areas other than an open blast along a paddock or a road section!

Just my 2c???

I may have misunderstood the original question but I think green machine is talking about gearing the bike up, ie. a larger front sprocket or smaller rear.....if so this will tame the beast down and lose that agressive bite.

[Reckless]

old girl is too tall, I'll try a front sprocket with one less tooth. Maybe then I'll keep up with yah on the sprints!


Unfortunatly its not quite as simple as going from a 14 t to a 13 t on the front as the 13 t will make it a lot more prone to wanting to lift the front.
Having actually owned the bike .....


Would this not be the case either way? I'd expect that to be the result of lowering the gearing no matter which way it was done? Or is there something about changing it at the rear that does it differently?


I may have misunderstood the original question but I think green machine is talking about gearing the bike up, ie. a larger front sprocket or smaller rear.....if so this will tame the beast down and lose that agressive bite.

Na Crisis, I was commenting on Oldschools Ktm 350. Your correct about Greenmachine. There are two guys doin opposite things. LOL!! I haven't ridden Oldschools bike but I think for him going down in the front will make it much more of a handful on the muddy climbs, after riding with him last sunday.
He's after more grunt to overtake my little 2hundy LOL!! I should keep quiet and let him do it but fairs fair!

Just my 2c though even if he tries it its only a front sprocket LOL!!

PS I added a quote to clear up the confusion Sorry mate!

[IIIRII]

Ok lets assume we want more top speed
The current ratio between the output shaft and the rear wheel is 14 48 so 48/14 = 3.42 :1
Lets assume this gives 100kph @ 8000 rpm.
You want more top speed you need a lower ratio maybe 15 48 so 48 /15 = 3.2:1 which will give about 5% more top end.
When you lower the top speed by raising the final ratio 13/48 3.7:1 theres more than one way of doinf this .
You can run 13/48 or 14/52 or 15/56 or being sill but still demonstrating what i mean 25/92 these all give the same TOP speed @ the same given RPM.
But like I said before, the way the engine can deliver the power (torque) to the wheel is very different , if you think of the sprocket being a lever , the engine will move the lever with a lot less effort the shorter it is. (smaller radius sprocket) therefore it will initiall move the bike much more reactivley than with a longer lever and it will be more controlable and more progressive.

[IIIRII]

Ok so you cant edit your own post, shot kiwibiker...
So what Im saying is Im not disputing the cost difference, but I am saying theres a huge difference in
the various effects from altering ratios.
A smaller front will make it a lot snappier in wet or slow stuff and it will make it a lot more prone to wanting to lift the front.

[oldskool]

Na Crisis, I was commenting on Oldschools Ktm 350. Your correct about Greenmachine. There are two guys doin opposite things. LOL!! I haven't ridden Oldschools bike but I think for him going down in the front will make it much more of a handful on the muddy climbs, after riding with him last sunday.
!

Jeez theres a lot of overthinking goin on here! That slippery hill caught me out because I had to stop 1/3 of the way up because a rider had broadsided across my path. In retrospect if I had slid back down to the bottom and taken it again it would have been much easier than trying to attempt it again from where I had stopped. Momentum was the key there. The next loop around without a traffic jam it was an easy climb.
In tight stuff the bike does seem to feel it needs to be revving higher than it is, because it tends to lug a lot (uh oh here we go, open up the fan the clutch debate). Anyway moot point I prefer a bike that wants to pop the front wheel and this one does feel a bit *tame (*edit* heavy on the front wheel). Good to hear it can with a minor change of gearing.

[Crisis management]

Good to hear it can with a minor change of gearing.

Gearing is a huge difference, one in the front transforms a bike and you should try it, it's cheap and educational (not taking the piss). At the end of the day you need a bike that provides traction & power as you like to use it and the only way to find out is to try it. Go for it.

[oldskool]

I found dropping a front tooth on my old KX125 made it climb hills easier, I could control the front wheel over logs better and it hit the pipe quicker. Before that the thing was a dog.
With my sons RM, with a larger front sprocket it had no torque, when you revved the crap outa it to go forward, there was nothing then came the wheelie. Losing a tooth in the front and it is easier to start off and climbs hills a lot easier without the fear of a wheelie. So theres the other spectrum to the debate. Hmm I wonder why trials bikes are so tame (controllable)?

[Reckless]

Jeez theres a lot of overthinking goin on here! That slippery hill caught me out because I had to stop 1/3 of the way up because a rider had broadsided across my path.
Sorry Oldshool I wasn't pointing to any one event, or critising your riding, that hill was a mess with other riders everywhere and I could have very very easliy been in the same boat. Sometimes its luck of the draw on those rides, my opinions where an overall observation. And yes you may be correct in my overthinking this issue as I didn't ride your bike. It's just that it seemed to already deliver really good power, in fact when I was following you you roosted me heaps without even trying to (or where you LOL!!) and I think that going to a 13 front may be the wrong move.


Anyway moot point I prefer a bike that wants to pop the front wheel and this one does feel a bit tame. Good to hear it can with a minor change of gearing.
Yep if thats the way you prefer the bike you should try it and agreed its only a front sprocket you easily can take off if you want to go back!
Can I ride it with the 14 on first though?? LOL!!!

Sorry mate if anything I said could have been taken the wrong way.
Cheers!

[husky]

Yeah mate you did help me,i had a crack at the left hand crossing and stalled the Green Beast ,they are heavy when your shagged,you were having a sit down and came to my rescue....cheers for that,and as you saw,none of the 5 guys i came with were anywhere to be seen,haha

Devo we were all back in the carpark by then!!

[oldskool]

Sorry mate if anything I said could have been taken the wrong way.
Cheers!

haha no I wasn't getting too prickly...was I?...haha. No seriously the bike is cool for open hill riding, try it out at the sandpit, like say The Finisher, and you'll be thinkin twice about the gearing. Plenty of bottom end and tall gearing makes for plenty of rear wheel rotation at low revs. I don't think reducing a tooth up front is going to turn it into a firebreathing 2T beasty, it has quite a broad tame powerband, and I ain't gonna be flipping it left right and centre because of it.
There was a bit of confusion goin on with greenies KXF450 which IS a fire breathing 4T MX and my very rider friendly 4T Enduro.

No offense taken mon!

[Reckless]

haha no I wasn't getting too prickly...was I?...haha. No offense taken mon!

Na mate but I just wanted to make it clear as the written word is easily misconstrued? (is that a word?) LOL!

[Ride it till the red]

Ok lets assume we want more top speed
The current ratio between the output shaft and the rear wheel is 14 48 so 48/14 = 3.42 :1
Lets assume this gives 100kph @ 8000 rpm.
You want more top speed you need a lower ratio maybe 15 48 so 48 /15 = 3.2:1 which will give about 5% more top end.
When you lower the top speed by raising the final ratio 13/48 3.7:1 theres more than one way of doinf this .
You can run 13/48 or 14/52 or 15/56 or being sill but still demonstrating what i mean 25/92 these all give the same TOP speed @ the same given RPM.
But like I said before, the way the engine can deliver the power (torque) to the wheel is very different , if you think of the sprocket being a lever , the engine will move the lever with a lot less effort the shorter it is. (smaller radius sprocket) therefore it will initiall move the bike much more reactivley than with a longer lever and it will be more controlable and more progressive.


But the engine isn't pushing on a lever it's turning the countershaft.....
And whatever combination of sprockets you use the resistance to the countershaft will be the same at the same final drive ratio, as you've shown above indicated with top speed.....
I can't see how acheiving the ratio differently would make any difference myself (apart from increased chain wear with smaller front sprockets), despite googling to try and find something to support your theory.

I'll be going 1 tooth up on the front next week in search of more top speed, I'd say my bike should have enough power that the loss isn't an issue but if it is maybe I'll try doing it your way just as an experiment

[krad_nz]

Interesting thread guys.

RITTR I think you and IIIRII are both saying the same thing differently. If the gearing is the same, then is the load on the countershaft the same too? I'd say yes.

If I add an extra tooth on the front sprocket then I'm pushing more chain around per rotation. The chain connects to our load, the rear wheel as we all know. If the chain is now moving faster than standard due to an extra tooth on the front then we're presenting more load to the motor for a given RPM compared to the standard ratio's at the same RPM. So basically the rear wheel turns further for the same RPM. This is all good assuming the motor has the torque to pull it off.

If you then increase the # of teeth on the rear sprocket too, effectively reducing the load, then you are back where you started. Of course you now have a longer chain and bigger sprockets which means more rotating mass etc.

[oldskool]

Interesting thread guys.

RITTR I think you and IIIRII are both saying the same thing differently. If the gearing is the same, then is the load on the countershaft the same too? I'd say yes.



Well what I am visualising after reading Glenns analogy is if you had an imaginary lever running on a tangent off the rear sprocket and an imaginary lever running on a tangent off the front sprocket and you use your finger to push one or the other and according to Glenn there is a difference. From what I gather he is saying the rear sprocket lever would have more finesse and control turning the 18" rear wheel than if you pushed the imaginary lever on the front sprocket to turn the same 18" wheel. What I have difficulty in accepting is the rear wheel is firmly attached to the rear sprocket and is still 18" in diameter.

[D dub]

Na Crisis, I was commenting on Old Schools Ktm 350. Your correct about Green Machine. There are two guys doing opposite things. LOL!! I haven't ridden Old Schools bike but I think for him going down in the front will make it much more of a handful on the muddy climbs, after riding with him last sunday.
He's after more grunt to overtake my little 2hundy LOL!! I should keep quiet and let him do it but fairs fair!

Just my 2c though even if he tries it its only a front sprocket LOL!!

PS I added a quote to clear up the confusion Sorry mate!

I used to have one of these and they are not to be confused with the twin over head cam motors in the modern 250 four strokes, they are very tame and need the lower gearing to bring them to life! I use to run 13/52 with good results and zero negative effects!!!
Other than having to change gear a bit moor often but it made the bike a lot easier to ride in all conditions!!!

[IIIRII]

Its called a mechanical advantage,
Ill try one more analogy
Option 1 I have an electric motor with a 50mm pulley on it and a benchsaw which has lets say 200mm diameter.
Option 2 I have an electric motor with a 100mm pulley on it and a 150 (or whatever, but the same ratio) on the saw.

I turn the electric motor on ....(same hp motor on both options)
Which option will initially move the saw blade quicker ....?

[green machine]

There was a bit of confusion goin on with greenies KXF450 which IS a fire breathing 4T MX and my very rider friendly 4T Enduro
Well lads....for the record i've just been testing the bike in the paddock with a 14t front sprocket and i regret to inform you all that the KX is still a firebreathing beast......i wouldn't say it tamed anything down....so i'm gonna take a couple of cement pills and take her out for a strop at Port Waikato and try and dominate her....hahaha,Cheers for the input

[krad_nz]

Its called a mechanical advantage,
Ill try one more analogy
Option 1 I have an electric motor with a 50mm pulley on it and a benchsaw which has lets say 200mm diameter.
Option 2 I have an electric motor with a 100mm pulley on it and a 150 (or whatever, but the same ratio) on the saw.

I turn the electric motor on ....(same hp motor on both options)
Which option will initially move the saw blade quicker ....?

In your example it should be 50 mm & 200mm vs 100mm & 400mm.
The mechanical advantage aka gear ratio is the same. A 100mm & 150mm system would run slower though. Assuming the saw blade is at the 150mm end.

Or am I missing something here? :)

Unless you're describing taking up the initial slack in the system? In which case the saw at the end of the 100mm system would be the faster of the two given the same amount of slack in each.

[Ride it till the red]

Interesting thread guys.

RITTR I think you and IIIRII are both saying the same thing differently. If the gearing is the same, then is the load on the countershaft the same too? I'd say yes.

If I add an extra tooth on the front sprocket then I'm pushing more chain around per rotation. The chain connects to our load, the rear wheel as we all know. If the chain is now moving faster than standard due to an extra tooth on the front then we're presenting more load to the motor for a given RPM compared to the standard ratio's at the same RPM. So basically the rear wheel turns further for the same RPM. This is all good assuming the motor has the torque to pull it off.


Yeah mate we all agree on your main paragraph, but I agree with your first sentence where as he does not.
He's saying that there is a difference depending on whether you make the gearing change at the rear or the front. I'm very interested to try and understand how and why although it's just not coming to me currently.



Its called a mechanical advantage,
Ill try one more analogy
Option 1 I have an electric motor with a 50mm pulley on it and a benchsaw which has lets say 200mm diameter.
Option 2 I have an electric motor with a 100mm pulley on it and a 150 (or whatever, but the same ratio) on the saw.

I turn the electric motor on ....(same hp motor on both options)
Which option will initially move the saw blade quicker ....?

Might have to call it quits on this one mate, don't seem to be getting anywhere and we're just confusing others too haha

I see what your saying but just don't think it would make a difference, would be interested to see it in practise tho. Might be a little over my head on the applied physics side of things.

Cheers anyway, good reason to spend more time playing with the bike i guess!

[westie]

Not sure about the fancy calculations but.
Smaller front sprcket and or bigger rear = more wheelies
Larger front sprocket and or smaller rear = more top speed

[telliman]

just go ride a mointain bike, you;ll figure it out!

[Jinxycat]

just go ride a mointain bike, you;ll figure it out!

simple advice but very true

[scott411]

from the herald today

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10627480

not to bad for the herald, was expecting something way more dramtised than it was, was a couple of pics in the paper today, showed the track went the other way, but only one mistake from the herald, which is better than most