Non-chemical or alternative pain relief?

[blackdog]

so heres the problem.

i managed to do some damage to my forearm with a fillet knife.

it severed both arteries, tendons and nerves.

5 hrs in theatre, 3 days in icu, 46 stitches, and a cast now up to my shoulder. they reckon it will be about 12 wks for recovery.

now, im chewing through the codiene at quite a rate for the pain, and for the actual injury site this seems to be working quite nicely

the problem is my fingers.

no feeling in them wotsoeva due to severed nerves (stick em with a pin and i wouldnt know it unless i'd seen it) but they hurt like a bitch! it might just be in my head, but it doesn't make it any less painful. i liken it to sticking your fingers in a deep frier.

anyone got any ideas? doc reckons the nerves can grow back at about 1mm per day, and they have about 30mm to make up.

not riding my bike is hell, and 1 handed typing is a pain in the arse as well

[onearmedbandit]

Mind over matter. My pain level is on average 7-8 out of 10 24hrs a day, spikes in excess of 10 literally hundreds of times a day (I need to readjust my pain scale lol), and I stopped taking all medication over 8yrs ago. I use a combination of mental processes to keep it under control, such as realisation (that I'm damn lucky to be where I am today), employing the pain to be a boost (if I can overcome this pain in any given situation and retain my cool then I can overcome anything), and actually mentally overcoming the pain by releasing my mind from fighting it.

It isn't easy, it can be very taxing, but the bigger the pain rush (I'm talking pain like my flesh is being torn from the bone, that there are spikes in my arm tearing it apart internally, that my hand is being crushed by an enormous force, that my palm is grasping a hot blade, my flesh feeling raw on my palm, my elbow and forearm being crushed in a vice, feeelings of my shoulder wanting to burst from internal pressure, to sometimes feelings of molten metal pumping through my veins ( an intense burning pulsating pain).) the bigger the release. It's like a drug.

So try to not fight the pain, it isn't going anywhere, you can't run away from it. Don't give in to the pain as such, just let it do its thing and wash over you. If you save the mental energy of fighting the pain (it's impossible btw) then you have more energy for dealing with it.

All this has taken a fair bit of time to adjust to of cours, whether you can adapt in the time required to do this is up to you. My pain thresehold has risen dramatically as well, enabling me to do with my base pain better.

Good luck with it all, be thankfull it's not worse, and keep yor spirits up. Live is a wonderful thing full of highs and lows, and if it wasn't for the lows the highs wouldn't feel nearly as good.

[steve_t]

Dude! That sux! Hope it comes right soon! Are u not allowed other pain relief medication besides codeine?

[Genie]

So try to not fight the pain, it isn't going anywhere, you can't run away from it. Don't give in to the pain as such, just let it do its thing and wash over you. If you save the mental energy of fighting the pain (it's impossible btw) then you have more energy for dealing with it.


Not that I have any comprehension of your level of pain, but this is how I did giving birth 5 times (2 for 1 last time).

Best of luck to both of you, it's never nice to get hurt and Mr Onearmedbandit, very sorry to hear that you are crap at pole dancing.

[Elysium]

May I reccomend the Necromonger technique of "One pain lessens another"
http://www.movie-infos.net/data/media/139/tcor9.jpg

On a serious note my right hand caught an infection about last week and has inflamed my Eczema badly that my fingers and hand are lightly swollen, bleeding, puss and the works. Now it had an annoying arche that would wake me time from time during the night and found the common Nurofen worked for me at times. Just maybe take about two or three tabs for your situation?

[blackdog]

tx 4 takn the time oab.

its alot to absorb, and i can defnitely relate to your symptoms (molten pulsating etc)

howd u stop from going stir crazy?

[p.dath]

Way out of my area of knowledge, but see if you can find a distraction. You need to stop thinking about it.

TV, radio. I read about one person on hear that found listening to white noise helped (get a radio, and deliberately tune if "off" a station). Perhaps try reading a book that has complex subject matter or study for something.
Maybe work the other hemisphere, and try ark work, or something creative (obviously with your one good hand).

[blackdog]

Dude! That sux! Hope it comes right soon! Are u not allowed other pain relief medication besides codeine?

tramadol aswell, but even the morphine in hosp made very little difference

[blackdog]

(obviously with your one good hand).

thats wot the missus suggested :rofl:

[blackdog]

May I reccomend the Necromonger technique of "One pain lessens another"
http://www.movie-infos.net/data/media/139/tcor9.jpg

On a serious note my right hand caught an infection about last week and has inflamed my Eczema badly that my fingers and hand are lightly swollen, bleeding, puss and the works. Now it had an annoying arche that would wake me time from time during the night and found the common Nurofen worked for me at times. Just maybe take about two or three tans for your situation?

cheers elysium

yea im also on voltaren (an nsaid like nurofen) and amitol (supposedly for the nerve pain) as well as aspirin (blood thinner) and antibiotics,

when i walk, i rattle!

[onearmedbandit]

tx 4 takn the time oab.

its alot to absorb, and i can defnitely relate to your symptoms (molten pulsating etc)

howd u stop from going stir crazy?

No problem, I've become a it of an expert in pain management. That's the key word, because quite often it's not about relief but management.

How do I stop from going crazy? My situation is a bit different, it was life changing. I am thankful I had the accident (1997) because if it hadn't happened my life would've taken a different path, I wouldn't have my two beautiful daughters, I wouldn't have my fantastic partner, I wouldn't have my current bike, I wouldn't have all the great things in my life that I do have. Maybe things would've been better, maybe worse, but most definitely different. So the pain is a small price to pay, I have no regrets, no resentment.

Another point is I always remind myself how damn lucky I am, fuck I'm alive, I can walk, talk, ride, everything. There are so many people in worse off situations than myself, who am I to have self-pity or allow myself to cop out. At least I don't have to find my food from a dump, dodge bombs, be persecuted for my beliefs (or lack there of), suffer any of the atrocities that millions of others suffer everyday. I'm one of the lucky ones, we all are, we all have nothing to complain about.

Positive attitude, that keeps you from going crazy.

[duckonin]

TBS we do not all heal the same way pain is just that and no bloody thinking about anything even a good root is not going to help, you would need to have a packet of viagra ...hang in there time will do it's job suck on any pain relief you can, had the same prob as you when I put the axe right through the back of my hand taking out tendons and all...It took a looooong time to come right but it did..

I love listerning to those that have done no more in life than stub their toe HUH.....Most doc's and surgeons come into this catergory also..

[blackdog]

cheers again oab, all stuff im going to make a conscious effort to remember. i spect the physio is going to be fairly gruelling as well, its good to have this sorta stuff to reflect on

[blackdog]

TBS we do not all heal the same way pain is just that and no bloody thinking about anything even a good root is not going to help, you would need to have a packet of viagra ...hang in there time will do it's job suck on any pain relief you can, had the same prob as you when I put the axe right through the back of my hand taking out tendons and all...It took a looooong time to come right but it did..

I love listerning to those that have done no more in life than stub their toe HUH.....Most doc's and surgeons come into this catergory also..

did u get all ur movement back in the end? i dread the thought of having to ride a dn-01 or mana coz i cant operate a clutch.....

cant say enuff good stuff about the surgeons and hosp staff, they were amazing

[mashman]

Ask for better drugs! Unlucky man, must hurt like an absolute bastard... unattached nerves banging around the inside of the body sounds like it could be very painful.

[mashman]

and 1 handed typing is a pain in the arse as well

and i'd really get that looked at too ;)

[CookMySock]

You dick. Dunno if Lorazepam will do it, but ask your doc for a trial of it. Two 1mg tabs will be enough to tell you if it will help.

Resist the tamptation to be a smartass when taking Lorazepam, coz you will feel like you can leap tall buildings in one single bound, batman!! And don't overdose on it either coz you will be out like a light. Google it before taking it I think.

HTH,
Steve

[steve_t]

If the morphine at the hospital wasn't helping, you'll need something mind altering. Tramadol made me high as a kite but obviously your pain level is so severe that you need something stronger. You might need to check out something like hypnosis or self-hypnosis.

[mashman]

temazipan is supposed to be pretty good...

[onearmedbandit]

did u get all ur movement back in the end? i dread the thought of having to ride a dn-01 or mana coz i cant operate a clutch.....

cant say enuff good stuff about the surgeons and hosp staff, they were amazing

Pah, worried about not operating a clutch, childs play! If the worst does happen then I'll show you how you can still ride just the same with only one hand.

[blackdog]

Pah, worried about not operating a clutch, childs play! If the worst does happen then I'll show you how you can still ride just the same with only one hand.

dude u da man :lol:

[steve_t]

You dick. Dunno if Lorazepam will do it, but ask your doc for a trial of it. Two 1mg tabs will be enough to tell you if it will help.


Unfortunately, benzodiazepines interact with opiate drugs like codeine, tramadol, morphine to make them less effective. I guess it's not a problem if you're heavily sedated and out of it ;)

[The Stranger]

Mind over matter. My pain level is on average 7-8 out of 10 24hrs a day, spikes in excess of 10 literally hundreds of times a day (I need to readjust my pain scale lol), and I stopped taking all medication over 8yrs ago. I use a combination of mental processes to keep it under control, such as realisation (that I'm damn lucky to be where I am today), employing the pain to be a boost (if I can overcome this pain in any given situation and retain my cool then I can overcome anything), and actually mentally overcoming the pain by releasing my mind from fighting it.

It isn't easy, it can be very taxing, but the bigger the pain rush (I'm talking pain like my flesh is being torn from the bone, that there are spikes in my arm tearing it apart internally, that my hand is being crushed by an enormous force, that my palm is grasping a hot blade, my flesh feeling raw on my palm, my elbow and forearm being crushed in a vice, feeelings of my shoulder wanting to burst from internal pressure, to sometimes feelings of molten metal pumping through my veins ( an intense burning pulsating pain).) the bigger the release. It's like a drug.

So try to not fight the pain, it isn't going anywhere, you can't run away from it. Don't give in to the pain as such, just let it do its thing and wash over you. If you save the mental energy of fighting the pain (it's impossible btw) then you have more energy for dealing with it.

All this has taken a fair bit of time to adjust to of cours, whether you can adapt in the time required to do this is up to you. My pain thresehold has risen dramatically as well, enabling me to do with my base pain better.

Good luck with it all, be thankfull it's not worse, and keep yor spirits up. Live is a wonderful thing full of highs and lows, and if it wasn't for the lows the highs wouldn't feel nearly as good.

+1
Only had about 51/2yrs of it, but it's not so easy with a torn diaphragm, collapsed lung, twisted stomach and your bowel and liver in your chest cavity - where your right lung should be. Just another hypochondriac.
It gets easier to handle, after a few years I would wake up and go yes! there it is, I know I'm alive. Just had to relax and enjoy it, there was no other option.

Can't say I missed it once they put me back together properly though.

[SMOKEU]

Drink some good alcohol and toke up a nice fat J. You'll be feeling great within seconds.

[Mr Merde]

I spent 5 months in hospital in the UK with an operation gone wrong on my spine.

Pain was agonising.

They had me on massive ammounts of tramadol which just knocked me into gaga land.

I refused morhine as it made me very sick.

Hospital then prescribed medical grade grass.

Worked a treat and made hospital food taste great.

I cant condone someone using the drug here as it is illegal but for me it worked.

When I couldnt smoke it I took it as an infusion.

[Warr]

tramadol aswell, but even the morphine in hosp made very little difference
BkStg, your injuries and pain are way beyond anything I have dealt with.
My experience was ....
Broken & dislocated right wrist, set in cast. Shatted 5th metacarple with 3 pins in left hand.
Ribs, shoulder blade collar bone etc etc.
Daytime I didnt have alot of pain issues HOWEVER night time my hands felt like they were in a deep frier. And sleep was becomming a Real problem.
Finally I asked the Doc what was the Max doasge for Tramadol.
So patten became.
No Tramadol all day. Sleep time 1 x 50MG & couple of spoonfuls of Yoghurt. If still awake in 1 hour another tramadol 1x50MG and yoghurt, if still awake ... etc
I never got past taking 3 or 4 and never got close to Max.
But the sleep got sorted and therefore the healing.
Tramadole was a bit pricy but claimed it back on the ACC. I found it really good, but expect to be throwing up the next day if you dont take it with something :)

Good healing mate and good sleeping .. sounds like you have bit of a journey ahead :)

[allycatz]

I had similar sensations with nerve damage after caesar section. Voltaren emugel helped. I didnt have to load up on any more pain relief (was on codeine also). PS watch the codeine, it can cause constipation. Alternate days on Panadeine or Panadol with codeine works good as you keep the pain releif levels up without losing the effectiveness of the codeine

[Mr Merde]

BkStg, your injuries and pain are way beyond anything I have dealt with.
My experience was ....
Broken & dislocated right wrist, set in cast. Shatted 5th metacarple with 3 pins in left hand.
Ribs, shoulder blade collar bone etc etc.
Daytime I didnt have alot of pain issues HOWEVER night time my hands felt like they were in a deep frier. And sleep was becomming a Real problem.
Finally I asked the Doc what was the Max doasge for Tramadol.
So patten became.
No Tramadol all day. Sleep time 1 x 50MG & couple of spoonfuls of Yoghurt. If still away in 1 hour another tramadol 1x50MG and yoghurt, if still awake ... etc
I never got past taking 3 or 4 and never got close to Max.
But the sleep got sorted and therefore the healing.
Tramadole was a bit pricy but claimed it back from on the ACC. I found it really good, but expect to be throwing up the next day if you dont take it with something :)

Good healing mate and good sleeping .. sounds like you have bit of a journey ahead :)

I woke up in the morning and had a 200mg Tramadol capsule. 4 times during the day I had 100mg capsules and before going to bed I had another 200mg capsule.

800mg a day. I was not living in this world most of the time until I got the medical smoking weed and dumped the Tramadol

[Str8 Jacket]

I spent 5 months in hospital in the UK with an operation gone wrong on my spine.

Pain was agonising.

They had me on massive ammounts of tramadol which just knocked me into gaga land.

I refused morhine as it made me very sick.

Hospital then prescribed medical grade grass.

Worked a treat and made hospital food taste great.

I cant condone someone using the drug here as it is illegal but for me it worked.

When I couldnt smoke it I took it as an infusion.

Check it out.... ;)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3317457/Cannabis-ok-for-medicinal-use-Law-Commission

[blackdog]

I had similar sensations with nerve damage after caesar section. Voltaren emugel helped. I didnt have to load up on any more pain relief (was on codeine also). PS watch the codeine, it can cause constipation. Alternate days on Panadeine or Panadol with codeine works good as you keep the pain releif levels up without losing the effectiveness of the codeine

already broken out the laxatives

[Matey]

Sorry to hear about the accident. I think onearmedbandit is absolutely right when he talked about pain management and also using the psychological approach, (Codeine will bring its own side effects that can be miserable to deal with too). There are techniques around guided visualisation that many people with chronic pain find helpful, I would imagine there are websites that will give some specifics regarding how it can work. Give your physio a grilling on pain management too, they should have a few clues.

[blackdog]

Drink some good alcohol and toke up a nice fat J. You'll be feeling great within seconds.



Hospital then prescribed medical grade grass.


an approach that im fairly keen to investigate further, unfortunately i have issues surrounding procurement (transport and actually having a trustworthy source)

also esp. if it makes the wifes food taste better ;)

[SMOKEU]

an approach that im fairly keen to investigate further, unfortunately i have issues surrounding procurement (transport and actually having a trustworthy source)

also esp. if it makes the wifes food taste better ;)

It's not what you know, it's who you know. Dress in some scruffy looking clothing and approach the local hood rats; that should ensure the regular supply of your medication. It may be of questionable quality, however.

[CookMySock]

unfortunately i have issues surrounding procurement (transport and actually having a trustworthy source) also esp. if it makes the wifes food taste better ;)Now that you have mentioned it here I doubt whether you have problems getting any, and trust me it makes everything about your wife taste better, especially if you share it with her. :niceone:

Steve

[SixPackBack]

Good luck with the pain management theblackstig. Pills and concoctions do not always have much affect, and those that do can lose effectiveness due to tolerance. Codiene and Tramadol bounce off me , and my Dr has all bought given up on effective pain control [an indicator that professional pain management help is often very poor]. Remaining pain management medicines dull the mind and body so badly that quality of life is virtually nil.

Alternative methods of pain control see the patient entering an esoteric world. Vitamin D, magnesium injections, de-tox, acpuncture, hema veiw and a whole host of 'alternatives' may provide relief, or may just relieve the wallet.

Fighting pain kills the spirit and makes not only yourself but those around you miserable. For me a 'D day' is set after which removal from the gene pool takes place. Your own pitiful existence is thankfully over and loved ones [with the help of life insurance] are free to carry on.

[Ratti]

My husband died last year of a nasty cancer called multiple myeloma. The main efect it has is to degrade the calcium in bones. His spine was like a dried XLO cloth, and was breaking just about every time he moved. Pain comes no where even close to describing what he went through in the last few weeks. I feel so much for you who live with that degree of pain every day.

The only other things i can think of is maybe a TENS machine? Might not be appropriate for your situation, but worth a look.
There used to be a clinic in Palmerston North that specialised in managment of pain. She taught breathing and visualisation techniques to let the pain flow rather than fighting it. I dont know if its still going, but there was a docter at the hospital there that referred people to her.


There is some really good advice posted here, and some that IMO is of dubious value. Anything is worth a shot tho if it improves your quality of life. Best wishes for your eventual recovery.

[SixPackBack]

Another method of control to consider would be http://www.exitinternational.com/ probably not relevant to the starter of this thread, but there will be those people who would not be prepared to live through a life of chronic pain.

[steve_t]

Acupuncture and TENS are two options that are very worthwhile investigating IMO :niceone: Good suggestions!

[golfmade]

Had to look up TENS to know what it means. Get that done now and then here in Taiwan actually. They start you out with acupuncture and then do the TENS. First time I was a bit un-nerved (pardon the pun) as it felt a bit odd but did help. Then again, I doubt I was in the kind of pain you are, but it's worth trying.

If you're in the vibe to try more alternative things check out cupping. If you've got a place there that does acupuncture and TENS they most likely also do cupping. When I get it done they use glass lids and just a suction, no fire. You'll end up with some nasty looking bruises on your back but especially in summer time I've noticed it helps improve my blood flow and I feel less hot.

[onearmedbandit]

TENS didn't work for me unfortunately, all I got was lots of shocks lol.

[AllanB]

So I arrived here ready to make a witty comment regarding a doobie and started reading the responses.

Fark me if I haven't got the proverbial lump in my throat. Certainly put my hemorrhoids into perspective!

Kudos to the honest and open replies, now I have to go off and do something manly to get rid of this gay throat lump ...........

[T.W.R]

i spect the physio is going to be fairly gruelling as well

That's where it all begins :yes:

What you're dealing with now is just healing, getting things operational again is a different story.
18mths of physio meant for some interesting times for me :pinch:
Like OAB I'm the result of a left arm motorcyle injury....though not paralysied but close with only about 35deg of movement in my left arm ( roughly 70deg from full extension to 75deg from full contraction).
Did a 70km/h landing with my left elbow taking the full impact, compund multiple fracture of the Ulna head & shaft and severe dislocation of the Radial head and radial nerve palsey (they removed the ulna head & rebuilt it and then fitted it back into my arm at the 2nd operation)
After 7 individual operations, 3 sets of metalware, & 2 bone grafts I'm at the point where the specialist only has options of a cadaveric elbow ( out of another peeps), an artificial elbow ( would have 4 replacements by the time I was in my late 50s then it'd have be fused in place), or fuse it in place now :pinch:
Even spent a period of 4mths where I'd have to go for blood tests every 2nd week just to check that the meds weren't screwing up my liver function.
As it is my elbow isn't fixed the ROM hasn't changed......It does bend OK for what it is but it sounds like I'm grinding stones in the joint, it continually aches relentlessly not matter what I do for it, phantom pain comes & goes. It's misshapen and the bicep muscle has withered.
Had the majority of prescription pain relief meds & plenty of other options as well......they're all temporary and the pain is always consistant. But after 15yrs of living with it it's the way things are for me.
Just take it on the chin and in time it's secondary; don't let it dominate you, dominate it ;) the mind is a pretty powerful tool and all forms of pain relief are only dulling what bits are telling your mind.

[golfmade]

TENS didn't work for me unfortunately, all I got was lots of shocks lol.

I personally don't think TENS would do anything for serious damage such as accidents you and blackstig have been in.

[steve_t]

I personally don't think TENS would do anything for serious damage such as accidents you and blackstig have been in.

TENS may be useful as a supplement to the drugs, not a replacement for them :niceone:

[SixPackBack]

I personally don't think TENS would do anything for serious damage such as accidents you and blackstig have been in.

TENS can do wonders no matter what, when or how the injury. Most injured folk try a gamut of cures in order to find the best that suits them. For me Tramadol, Codiene, Paratripyiliene, Pyhsio, Chiro, Acupuncture, TENS had less affect than a heated wheat bag.

[ynot slow]

I am definately advocate of mind over matter,so much so that after having the epidermal in for 5 days the pain wasn't too bad,then after removal using panadol every 4 hours(and thinking that aint much strength wise)the pain team said take it(pain relief)and it keeps a lid on the pain till you feel stronger.This enabled me to tell myself you bloody wuss if a spasm came and breathe through the pain,seemed to work,also whilst having chemo using similar thinking re after effects etc.

Last time after release I was prescribed morphine based tablets for 5 or so days and pain tablets,mostly took the heavy tablets at night to enable sleep as ribs were spread to remove part of lung etc.

[Mikkel]

Some damage?!? :eek:

I'm a bit curious, exactly how did you manage to do that using a fillet knife? Was it you operating the knife? You aren't the four-year old toddler who fell into a washing machine (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/3320902/Boy-impaled-in-freak-dishwasher-accident) I take it...
I mean, I've managed to cut myself every now and again... but the arteries, nerves and tendons?

Crikey, I hope you'll heal up properly!


Pah, worried about not operating a clutch, childs play! If the worst does happen then I'll show you how you can still ride just the same with only one hand.

He's not kidding either. Keeping your balance while doing stoppies with one hand is quite impressive!


Another method of control to consider would be http://www.exitinternational.com/ probably not relevant to the starter of this thread, but there will be those people who would not be prepared to live through a life of chronic pain.



Please, do not go international!


Had the majority of prescription pain relief meds & plenty of other options as well......they're all temporary and the pain is always consistant. But after 15yrs of living with it it's the way things are for me.

And you still ride motorcycles... :yes:

Thankfully I have never had to deal with injury on that scale, but I suppose it does comes down to whether you are able to say "fuck it, I won't let it limit me anymore than it absolutely has to" and then making good on that sentiment. Some are able to do that, others aren't. However, I doubt that you'll know for sure which kind of person you are until you are in that situation.

[T.W.R]

And you still ride motorcycles... :yes:



;) Riding motorcycles is the easy part.... though I mainly ride one handed.
Technically speaking the arm is still broken as it is...... on paper it's called a non-union of the ulna shaft & permanent dislocation of the radial head ( the elbow articulates at the elbow joint and at the non-union of the shaft).
You just got to keep on keeping on especially when operations are at the point where you're planted in front of a team of 12 medical specialists and they sit there scratching their heads doing the "WTF do we do with that" (last operation was like exactly that :pinch: )

[CookMySock]

So I arrived here ready to make a witty comment regarding a doobie and started reading the responses.

Fark me if I haven't got the proverbial lump in my throat. Certainly put my hemorrhoids into perspective!

Kudos to the honest and open replies, now I have to go off and do something manly to get rid of this gay throat lump ...........It certainly makes it real clear why we should be more careful - not just on bikes, but in day to day life. I bet there is not one of these seriously injured people who does not wish he could turn the clock back.

Take care out there.

Steve

[Mikkel]

You just got to keep on keeping on especially when operations are at the point where you're planted in front of a team of 12 medical specialists and they sit there scratching their heads doing the "WTF do we do with that" (last operation was like exactly that :pinch: )

I hope they won't put 12 surgeons on the same operation though! Too many chefs and all that...

[T.W.R]

I bet there is not one of these seriously injured people who does not wish he could turn the clock back.

Steve

mmmm nah you'd bet wrong :oi-grr:


I hope they won't put 12 surgeons on the same operation though! Too many chefs and all that...

:eek: hope there wasn't...only remember there were two and the other theatre staff in there when I was wheeled in. They only cleaned out some bone debris & shaped the back of the elbow joint a bit because they'd come to the conclusion that anything too major would be detrimental to what movement the elbow had

[onearmedbandit]

I bet there is not one of these seriously injured people who does not wish he could turn the clock back.



Steve

And you'd be wrong. If you read my post earlier in the thread you'll see I'm actually thankful for the accident. Why would one want to live with that sort of mentality anyway? I can't turn back time, can only live in the present.

[Madmax]

After 3 years of ops on my wrist they took out the proximal row of bones so now i have a constant
bone on bone grinding,
K rod in my left femur,
Plate and pins/screws in lower leg/foot,
Had trouble sleeping for years until my doc gave me NOZINAN
can sleep 10 hours now no problems

[blackdog]

After 3 years of ops on my wrist they took out the proximal row of bones so now i have a constant
bone on bone grinding,
K rod in my left femur,
Plate and pins/screws in lower leg/foot,
Had trouble sleeping for years until my doc gave me NOZINAN
can sleep 10 hours now no problems

glad to hear u getting the sleep.

i'm currently only getting 3-4 hrs a night, doctors again on thursday, i will be insisting on at least some valium