Round 4 AMCC Champs 7 March

[prettybillie]

Well it's almost that time again. Round 4 of the AMCC Champs is on Sunday 7 March.

After the awesome two day meet we had last time we are looking forward to seeing you all there again.

The entry forms are at www.amcc.co.nz

So.........who's in?????

[Danger Dave]

I'll be there, can't wait to ride puke again :woohoo:

[Toast]

Will be there! :D Getting a bigger front sprocket then hopefully in to the 60's! :D

[woodyracer]

I'll be there, can't wait to ride puke again :woohoo:

why?? ahhahah

Ill be on the slideline being the flag marshel.....put one a good show for me!

[Kiwi Graham]

Nope not me even though the mighty R1 should be ready by then.
I'll be criss crossing the South Island on the even mightier 14 with her indoors for company.
Have a good meet guys and gals.

Will be there for the April round.

[kittytamer]

Entry went in last week, so I'll be there!

[NinjaBoy]

Entry went in last week, so I'll be there!

F2 I hope !

[Rob Taylor]

Paul Dobbs will be there again on the KTL Ducati's...

[FZRSuper]

Yes will be there too - subject to successful engine rebuild...:eek5:

[prettybillie]

So my friends with a week out - thought I better remind you of the run of the day.

Sign on and scrutineering will be from 8am to 930 without exceptions. Riders have been turned away for not being there on time!!!!!

Riders breif will be at 945 and the sighting and tyre scrub session will be on the track at 1015.

We had an awesome two days last round and this round will be just as exciting.

Don't forget those of you who want to go for a practice squirt around Puke, there is an ART day there on the Saturday. Visit the AMCC website for details.

[prettybillie]

There is only 5 sleeps to go!!!!

[Toast]

What's the cost for enter on the day? Can't find it on entry form

[prettybillie]

$130 on the day. There will be a heap of people camping at the track on the Sunday night as we have an ART Day on the Saturday, so if you have to travel - bring a tent with you and stay with everyone else!!!!

[Toast]

.Thanks! :)

[cmoore]

so who was it that crashed on the home straight??..senior post classic i think...and the riderless bike ran into the unmovable flaggy with the chequered flag out?......

[dave o]

graham lance, number 16 on a fzr1000

[Toast]

Shit, I missed that one! Was it exiting from the hill? The guy ok?

[Toast]

And well run meeting, AMCC, thanks! :niceone:

What a stunning day for racing, a shame that there weren't more out there!

[dave o]

Shit, I missed that one! Was it exiting from the hill? The guy ok?

i was on the dummy grid. turned around as he was sliding on the grass, the bike wobbled its way down the straight from near the bridge and went into the wall just at the pit exit/where the marshall was standing.
he broke his thumb. apparently he hit the start of the rumble strip and there was a bit of a height difference between the grass and the strip. took a chunk of his front wheel out (75mmx50mm section missing) and his back rim has a huge bend in it too. not sure if thats from hitting the wall or the strip though.

[White trash]

Unfortunately, the thread starter (and flaggie) was collected by the riderless bike.

Tough old bitch that she is, she's mostly fine. I see physiotherapy in her future though :)

[cmoore]

thanks dave o, i couldn't for the life of me work out how he did it...mind you i couldn't work out why the marshall just stood there!!....the bike ran on it's own for 50-75m.....and hit the barrier at the flags...then hit the marshall.....she just stood and watched.....it was like one of those slow motion train wrecks.....im glad he is ok, he took a bit of a tumble...

[cmoore]

for all you guys who did race, thanks, i have marshalled a few times out there and this was my first time just having a wander and watching...it was very cool, it is a shame more people don't go to watch. I found everyone i talked to very freindly and interesting. some of the racing was a bit confusing with the mix of classes....and the first post classic senior race was being led by number 28 with one lap to go... and then niumber 15 won......i still don't know what happened to #28....

[yungatart]

Unfortunately, the thread starter (and flaggie) was collected by the riderless bike.



A number of PMCC marshalls willl not marshall at AMCC events any more, because we were expected to put ourselves in the firing line, by marshalling trackside rather than in the flag point.
I hate to say we told you so, but we told you so. A dangerous practice that only confirms my (and others) initial misgivings.

[dave o]

does anyone have any photos from the weekend? either art day or the sunday?
cheers, dave

[cmoore]

Im not sure what you mean, the Puki flagging points are very safe and the marshalls are generally very good?, i just assume like all vollunteer groups they are a bunch of well meaning people doing their best, my only comment would be more training...i don't know that any amount of training would have helped on sunday...she just froze.....i don't think she should be in that position....although im sure she would say she is fine...

[malcy25]

A number of PMCC marshalls willl not marshall at AMCC events any more, because we were expected to put ourselves in the firing line, by marshalling trackside rather than in the flag point.
I hate to say we told you so, but we told you so. A dangerous practice that only confirms my (and others) initial misgivings.

1) So you saw what happened then?
2) having ridden at so many events at Pukekohe I stopped counting a number of years ago, I must have missed something? So tell me exactly where are the flag marshall stations which are NOT protected by guard rails etc? I don't recall any in the 100 laps I did this weekend and at the speed I get accused of travelling at, I get plenty of viewing time....

Dave O: www.highside.co.nz for Sat photos. No sure on Sunday's event.

[Gremlin]

yungatart has an axe to grind, that's all. That marshal just needs more time at normal points, so her first reactions aren't to freeze. Number one factor I tell all new marshals, your own safety is top priority.

[sinfull]

yungatart has an axe to grind, that's all. That marshal just needs more time at normal points, so her first reactions aren't to freeze. Number one factor I tell all new marshals, your own safety is top priority.
Sorry Gremlin, Tart has a valid point there ! they wont marshall for AMCC because they're expected to stand in positions that put them in the firing line !

She and others made this point some time ago and what happens, a flaggy gets mowed down by riderless bike ! I mean what the fuck is that shit ? No one should be in a position that they have to jump out of the way if the shit goes down !
Learn not to freeze ???
If puke doesn't have flaggy points where the flaggies are protected while they do their job, then some should be built, not teach the flaggies to jump !

Hope ya aint too battered up there Billie

[yungatart]

Sorry Gremlin, Tart has a valid point there ! they wont marshall for AMCC because they're expected to stand in positions that put them in the firing line !

She and others made this point some time ago and what happens, a flaggy gets mowed down by riderless bike ! I mean what the fuck is that shit ? No one should be in a position that they have to jump out of the way if the shit goes down !
Learn not to freeze ???
If puke doesn't have flaggy points where the flaggies are protected while they do their job, then some should be built, not teach the flaggies to jump !

Hope ya aint too battered up there Billie

My thoughts exactly, Sinfull. I guess having my own safety as a toip priority, then that of my husband and fellow flaggies, gives me an axe to grind, then bring it on! Grind my axe I will! That is an accident that need never have happened, all because some folk don't listen to others who have been in the game much longer!

[Toot Toot]

The flag points at Pukekohe are at V8 Supercar standard, the concrete bunker "foxholes" surrounded by steel mesh on the "incoming" side. I wasnt at this meetng but cant understand how someone got hit? Did the bike fly up over the concrete bunker??? Or was the flaggie not using them?

[cmoore]

The marshal hit by the bike was standing on the track waving the chequered flag.......the crash happened 50-75m before the start finish line........the bike flipped and then landed back on the track and ran riderless towards the start finish line and hit the fence next to the marshal, bounced off and then fell over on her feet/legs….she was very lucky. She then ran across the track to see if the rider was ok….?

[MSTRS]

The marshal hit by the bike was standing on the track waving the chequered flag.......


Well there you go. Who would have thought such a thing possible...
And before anyone says something like 'That's the way we've always done it at Puke' (I have no idea...just guessing) it shouldn't matter what track it is. There is a right way and a wrong way, amply illustrated by this incident.

[Peter Smith]

for all you guys who did race, thanks, i have marshalled a few times out there and this was my first time just having a wander and watching...it was very cool, it is a shame more people don't go to watch. I found everyone i talked to very freindly and interesting. some of the racing was a bit confusing with the mix of classes....and the first post classic senior race was being led by number 28 with one lap to go... and then niumber 15 won......i still don't know what happened to #28....

I am #28. I was given the white flag twice, when I came up over the hill the yellow flags were waving but there wasn't a checkered flag for me just marshals walking across the track.:shit::shit::shit:

By the way, my bike blew the 10amp ignition fuse in the last race, not a blown motor as mentioned by the dubious comentator. :shutup: First DNF in 2 years.:yes:

[Peter Smith]

A big thanks to the AMCC for running a great meeting. :Punk::yes:

[prettybillie]

Let me put a few things to rest here.

My injuries were my fault. I was standing well out on the start / finish line with the red flag out - not on the track at all - concerned the riders coming full tit over the hill were going to be in trouble as the bike was still upright on two wheels. I decided where to stand and take full responsibility for it. My thoughts were this could be a very dangerous accident if those riders don't see the red flag! There was no chequered flag out!

This was nothing to do with the Puke track or the AMCC - totally a decision that I made to make sure riders are safe. I was standing out of the way of the bike, however it changed direction at the last second. Please do not take attack on either AMCC or the Puke track as I take full responsibility for what happened, but my opinion was if I didn't stand somewhere where the red flag was going to be seen immediately over the hill, it could have been worse.

Hey but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story by any means!

[Rob Taylor]

This was a well run event,Thanks amcc.We will be at Rd 5 .....As Prettybillie said ,is how it went down.... But dont let the bull shit stop now,its nearly over ya head!!!!

[Peter Smith]

Let me put a few things to rest here.

My injuries were my fault. I was standing well out on the start / finish line with the red flag out - not on the track at all - concerned the riders coming full tit over the hill were going to be in trouble as the bike was still upright on two wheels. I decided where to stand and take full responsibility for it. My thoughts were this could be a very dangerous accident if those riders don't see the red flag! There was no chequered flag out!

This was nothing to do with the Puke track or the AMCC - totally a decision that I made to make sure riders are safe. I was standing out of the way of the bike, however it changed direction at the last second. Please do not take attack on either AMCC or the Puke track as I take full responsibility for what happened, but my opinion was if I didn't stand somewhere where the red flag was going to be seen immediately over the hill, it could have been worse.

Hey but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story by any means!

Get well soon sweety, I don't fancy some bloke touching me up on the dummy grid.:sick::sick:

[Gremlin]

Nice to err... meet you Peter... not the way you probably wanted, but I was the marshal that talked to you, asked you to go to the inside of the track etc. Sounds like you at least found the problem quickly :)

[Biggles08]

...it was very cool, it is a shame more people don't go to watch.

Maybe there should be free entry to club rounds for spectators...just a 'left field' thought. No other club in NZ charges spectators for club rounds and seem to get good crowd support.... :-)

[Dreama]

Thumbs up AMCC ... it was a great meeting. First one I've got to for a couple of years now and loved it. Great weather, great atmosphere and awesome racing. I was unaware of any of the stuff that went on as alluded to in this thread, but I applaud all the officals, marshalls and helpers for their fantastic efforts and committment in putting on these meetings and allowing the rest of us juvinials to play on the race track.
Looking forward to round 5.

[MSTRS]

... I decided where to stand and take full responsibility for it. ...

Your experience should have now taught you why doing such a thing is not recommended. Freak accidents can, and do, happen and an exposed marshal is at huge risk. Everything we do as marshals must have this risk factored in, and appropriate measures taken to minimise that risk.
My issue in all of this is what happened at Taupo...being told to stand directly trackside...telling you why I wouldn't...and then being ignored (until I swore a blind streak...). Now you know why.
As I said before, I don't know Puke, never been there, but I am confused... A bike has gone down, presumably just over a little hill and out of sight of approaching bikes. How does a flaggie get hit by that bike, if the flaggie is between it and those approaching bikes?

[Peter Smith]

Nice to err... meet you Peter... not the way you probably wanted, but I was the marshal that talked to you, asked you to go to the inside of the track etc. Sounds like you at least found the problem quickly :)
Hi Gremlin,
Thanks for your help.
I really apreciate you guys and girls who give up your weekends so nutters like me can take our bikes out for a thrash.:niceone:
Are you going to Hampton this weekend? Call in and say hi, if your gonna be there.

[cmoore]

im fairly sure of what i saw!!, but it doesn't really matter, I am happy you are ok, ! certainly don't think i was talking crap and i believe i said the marshaling at Puki is very good...since i have done it there a number of times...to the riders...yeah the marshals do give up a day (and more) to ensure the safety of the riders..and i know personally that it would be cool to see more of the riders, even a wave on the run to the pits would be nice!!

[glice]

Was there anyone taking photos?

[k1w160]

Just got told about this thread today at Hampton Downs, so now is a good time to get the facts out.

I was coming over the hill on the last lap and decided to try a passing move on the outside of the rider in front of me as I could carry a lot more speed over the top that he did.
Unfortunatley he drifted wide and as my wheel was already on the outside of his rear wheel the only option was to roll off and let it run wide (otherwise I would have taken his back wheel out and we both would be down). I hit the beginning of the concrete strip on the outside which has a depression in the dirt due to cars running over that area and as a result it was like hitting a curb at 155kph.
I saw the piece of wheel fly off and the handle bars were vibrating wildly - it was very obvious that I was a passenger on an out of control bike. It took about one second to decide that grass was softer than the track and I bailed out (unknown to me - the back wheel was also flat die to a bent and fractured rin and split tyre - also a result of the impact).

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With out 100kgs of rider and gear on top of it, the bike regainedsome stability and carried on.

20:20 hindsite is a wonderful thing, but I would do the same thing again as the other possibilities of bodies and bikes all over the track could have been the outcome if I had tried to ride it out.
Today I heard soeone saying that the front wheel was faulty - nope, it just got whacked at 155kph by a solid object and cried enough.


Pure racing incident, nobodies fault .but mine (that's one racing crash in 14 years), and I'll be back next season.
Injuries - a sprained thumb and a buggered helmet where I bounced off the armco, and a few bruises.

All the best

Graham