More bullying

[Ratti]

this time at secondary school.
Mr13 got dealt to by pair of boys in his form. Knocked out, bruised face/temple, kicked in guts and knee. HAd to stop my day and take him to AnE to get him checked. He's home now with mild concussion, vision has settled to normal and he has just had a bit to eat. Im picking he'll be ok, but it's still a head injury so Im keeping an eye on him.

Fortunatly school is onto it and Im happy they are going to do the right thing. ie stand the boys down for a short time and then do what they are calling a restorative action on the boys part.

Meetings with parents of kids and me then I get to have my say to the boys.

so, had a brief and pointed set of words with them as they were getting marched into the office, but what sorts of things should i be saying when I get my chance next week? Im too angry to say anything sensible right now, but should be calmer by then.
Suggestions?

[Oakie]

Just go in with a few other leather clad 'supporters' and stare menacingly at the little shits for the duration. No words necessary. Alternatively just say that you and your supporters would like to have a private chat with the boys and can we be left alone for 5 minutes.

[PrincessBandit]

I think you'll find that the words will come to you over the next few days as things cool off. My method of anything confrontational is to imagine various scenarios in my head, things I'd say, then mentally cull unhelpful stuff, add things that come later (all the good lines come after the event usually!)

You'll be pretty sorted I'd think if you just mull over possible interactions. Write things down; cross them out, add to them - just like preparing a speech!

Sorry to hear about your fella's altercation. Some little toerags out there in the school system, and often schools are hogtied when wanting to deal with volatile situations.

[Ocean1]

If the Police don't know about it already make sure they do. Anyone using the word "restoritive" isn't helping you, your kid or the apprentice criminals in question.

At 15 or so it's already too late for the criminals, but at least you can let them know what shape their future is going to be.

[wbks]

Depends what he did to get the hiding in the first place...

[slofox]

My immediate reaction would be somewhat over the top as well Ratti...but maybe you could warn them that your friend "Mr Tombolino" will come and visit them..."he likes to breaka da leg..."

On a more serious note, what can you say? They probably think they are shit hot and invulnerable. They may well have support for their attitudes from quite a large peer group and maybe from home as well. Dunno really - I think it depends on the kids when it comes down to it. But I would leave them in no doubt at all that I was pretty pissed with them and would not forget in a hurry...

It is truly a hard thing to deal with.

[phill-k]

If you want to get to the truth - lay a complaint with the police

[Edbear]

If the Police don't know about it already make sure they do. Anyone using the word "restoritive" isn't helping you, your kid or the apprentice criminals in question.

At 15 or so it's already too late for the criminals, but at least you can let them know what shape their future is going to be.

Sad to say, I agree with this. Certainly report it to the Police if you haven't already.

[Ratti]

it was unprovoked. A continuation of bullying that had been going on at the intermediate they were at last year.

The shits in question go around hassling everyone, thugs in training methinks. The final straw was today, my son got shoved, snapped, shoved him back and then the other one piled in and they got stuck in. There were a number of kids watching who saw very similar events and the stories are close enough that its pretty obvious who is at fault.

I was offered the choice of going to the police, but I'd like to wait and suss out the parents first. If they are ordinary folk like me then I can cut them a little slack- this time.

I do like the idea of rolling up with my riding gear on, but really? Who wants to be known in the school as' the kid with the biker mum'. It'd be a bit hard on my son. Riding is my choice of recreation and I see no reason to inflict it on the kids. especially Mr13 who is adamant that 'riding is for girls'

[woodyracer]

fuck mate, at my school you suspened for hittign soemoen in the face... pretyty slack school if they 'suspend' for hurting a perosn that bad...those fuckers sohudl be kicked out....

[Maha]

fuck mate, at my school you suspened for hittign soemoen in the face... pretyty slack school if they 'suspend' for hurting a perosn that bad...those fuckers sohudl be kicked out....

Firstly..........'soemoen'? dont single out islanders
And 2ndly...wass wiff your spilling dud?

[Edbear]

it was unprovoked. A continuation of bullying that had been going on at the intermediate they were at last year.

The shits in question go around hassling everyone, thugs in training methinks. The final straw was today, my son got shoved, snapped, shoved him back and then the other one piled in and they got stuck in. There were a number of kids watching who saw very similar events and the stories are close enough that its pretty obvious who is at fault.

I was offered the choice of going to the police, but I'd like to wait and suss out the parents first. If they are ordinary folk like me then I can cut them a little slack- this time.

I do like the idea of rolling up with my riding gear on, but really? Who wants to be known in the school as' the kid with the biker mum'. It'd be a bit hard on my son. Riding is my choice of recreation and I see no reason to inflict it on the kids. especially Mr13 who is adamant that 'riding is for girls'

I think you have answererd the question. They won't stop unless they are stopped and their parents will be ineffective even if they profess to disapprove. Expect the complaint that they cannot do anything with the boys as "the boys won't listen to them".

You're not doing them any favours by not reporting it to the Police.

[Ratti]

He can spell jsut fine, its his typoing is crap

[Ratti]

thanks Edbear, in my heart I know you're right.

Will do the deed tomorrow. Get the names from the school and pootle on down to our friendly copshop.

[JimO]

Depends what he did to get the hiding in the first place...

bullshit..2 on to 1 not on

[Ratti]

They all big boys too, not the weedy wee third form boys I recall from my school days.

[jamessmith]

put mr13 into some sort of contact sport.. ie boxing. :)

not very pc, but it works... i know :)

[Trudes]

Another good reason to home school.

[golfmade]

Sorry to hear, life can be a real pain in the arse some times eh?

As others have stated they probably already at that stage in life where they think they're all that and they're too smart and cool to listen to anyone, especially adults. You can do your best to tell them how you feel about the situation but sadly won't probably do much, now. And I agree that if you're going to say something write it down like you would a speech and prepare, and don't feel silly if you need to read from a sheet or note card to let them and the school and/or the police how you feel.

Best of luck, and aye perhaps some type of contact/defense sport might help, wouldn't necessarily guarantee can defend oneself in a fight but at least know how to handle yourself as well as gives ya confidence and all that jazz.

Please keep us updated.

[Skyryder]

First point of call is the police and lay a complaint of assault. As for the school doing the right thing that sounds like doing the right thing for the student and not the staff member concerned.

The school may call it ‘restorative action’ but in fact it is sitting round the table with all the support that the boys can muster while they make excuses for the behavour and try and get your partner to forgive them. If you want my ‘suggestion’ have nothing to do with it. Get your partner to contact the teacher board rep and lay it on the line. The students are to be ‘excluded’ that’s the new buzz word for expelled. I’d be inclined to contact the Union rep in the school and get them involved too.

The school board has a legal obligation to ensure the safety of their staff. Any thing less than an expulsion where serious violence is concerned is in my opinion a gross derelection of their responsibility to their employees.

Skyryder

[Ocean1]

Will do the deed tomorrow. Get the names from the school and pootle on down to our friendly copshop.

Good call.

Plenty of time to offer compasion AFTER you've whomped their arses.

[woodyracer]

Firstly..........'soemoen'? dont single out islanders
And 2ndly...wass wiff your spilling dud?

im not singleing out islander you old goat, i just fucked up my spelling abit........ dont jump ot conclusions

[marty]

A police investigation needs to run concurrent to the school one. You are wasting your time waiting to see what the other parents do. You need Police photography to take studio photos, and a doctor to document the injuries in a way that they can be produced as evidence.


In my school (I'm BOT chair) this type of behaviour would guarantee a 7-day suspension, followed by an exclusion - no question at all.

[firefighter]

Another good reason to home school.

Creating introverts......?

Two of my two cousins were home-schooled. They're weird. It does'nt happen to all home-schoolers but all I have met that were home-schooled are a bit weird.

Plus they're limited to the knowledge of their parents. Lecture notes are'nt enough. Especially at secondary level.

Besides, they'll never live it down if they end up in a job like mine! (did you have a crush on your teacher?was your teacher hot?ever get sent to the principal etcetc)

[Ixion]

I detest bullying more than most things. But concussion goes beyond mere bullying. Either call in the cops and lay charges, or enlist half a dozen Welly riders to sort them out. The school is effectively condoning the behaviour.

[wbks]

bullshit..2 on to 1 not onObviously this case is excluded, but you know as well as me there are a few people who deserve as much


Another good reason to home school.what the fuck...

Damn... I remember when I got into fights in year 9 and maybe a busted lip or a black eye came into it, but kicking someone on the ground and going 2-1 is a little more than "boys being boys", so I hope the school treats it that way.

[Trudes]

what the fuck...

Damn... I remember when I got into fights in year 9 and maybe a busted lip or a black eye came into it, but kicking someone on the ground and going 2-1 is a little more than "boys being boys", so I hope the school treats it that way.


Creating introverts......?

Two of my two cousins were home-schooled. They're weird. It does'nt happen to all home-schoolers but all I have met that were home-schooled are a bit weird.

Plus they're limited to the knowledge of their parents. Lecture notes are'nt enough. Especially at secondary level.

Besides, they'll never live it down if they end up in a job like mine! (did you have a crush on your teacher?was your teacher hot?ever get sent to the principal etcetc)
Ahemmmmm.... I did not say I agree with home schooling, just playing devil's advocate. I do think that those who have been considering it would see cases like this as another good reason to do it. I believe in "The School of Hard Knocks", but bullying does suck, and mainstream school can be very difficult for kids who are 'different' already.

[McJim]

The more worrying thing is how the bullying affects the bullied. I was bullied at school (the result of parents that moved around a lot so I was always the new face with no mates) and it has made me a really twisted individual. Instead of being confrontational I tend to wait between 5-10 years and then get even ensuring that my victim never knows who caused his problem. Apparently this is not very PC but it helps me move on from being bullied. :2thumbsup:

[Trudes]

I recommend revenge..... best served cold and smelling of 6 day old fish :innocent:

[SMOKEU]

Those violent thugs are probably happy that they're getting a holiday from school, even if it's in the form of suspension. Definately get the police involved, and insist on getting photography done ASAP. The cop dealing with the case should then give you their business card with an event number written on the back. If you don't hear back from the cop within a couple of weeks, call them and quote the event number. Easy as.

[Smifffy]

Don't ride in if you don't want to, but have some of your support people ride in. Sit through the restorative, listening to them trying to weasel their way out taking responsibility, apologising profusely, and promising never to do it again, all the while avoiding eye contact. Say your piece with the expectation that they will not be listening to a word you say. Ask open ended questions.

Have a couple of the biggest and hairiest supporters wait outside, be seen talking to them as you leave. Have a couple of others, of any size follow the miscreants on their bikes when they leave, visors down (Irridium of course) or shades on :)

Ride past from time to time. Use their address for your next Tag-o-rama pic.

Of course none of this should even be considered - especially if it would cause teenage embarrassment to Mr 13.

Whatever you decide to do - Good Luck!!

[oldrider]

I detest bullying more than most things. But concussion goes beyond mere bullying. Either call in the cops and lay charges, or enlist half a dozen Welly riders to sort them out. The school is effectively condoning the behaviour.

Make it a bit of both, then send them to Tonga for a bit of real justice! :spanking:

[Ratti]

Thanks bikers...you're awesome. Unfortunatly I dont have a partner. he died a year ago next week. Its been a prick of a day what with getting papers into court to try and keep our home then dealing with this.

It all gets a bit much

ok, so police, photos, large hairy smelly biker mates outside the school. ( need volunteers for that one, dont know anyone here in the Hutt )

Im onto it.

Son has stopped shaking and started to think the bruise is kinda cool. Boys!

thanks again everyone.

[CookMySock]

If they are ordinary folk like me then I can cut them a little slack- this time.DON'T. Take it to the police right away. You are pissing into the wind thinking the school will do anything, and the kid will be just hoping you do nothing.

My kid is just starting karate classes, and he's starting to fill out like his massive uncles. The same thing happened to him last year. It won't happen again, unless they don't like the shape of their face.

Steve

[Genestho]

Sorry for your son there, on top of an already harrowing day, Ratti.

I agree with everyone here, log a job with Police, at least it's there for future reference too. Particularly both with the history and now this concussion. Bit concerning.
IMO Restorative chit chat is nothing but a warm fuzzy feeling that shows the school, parents and kids are all working together doing something - and hey, the parents may be nice, but not have a handle on their kids, that would suck for them, but you have to protect your son.
These kids need a harsher scare than what the School can offer. And of course before it all goes too much further for your son. Good Luck :)

[howdamnhard]

Sad to say, I agree with this. Certainly report it to the Police if you haven't already.

What he said, if it's been going on for so long a little talk,ain't gonna be much of a deterrent.

[tinkeltoes]

this time at secondary school.
Mr13 got dealt to by pair of boys in his form. Knocked out, bruised face/temple, kicked in guts and knee. HAd to stop my day and take him to AnE to get him checked. He's home now with mild concussion, vision has settled to normal and he has just had a bit to eat. Im picking he'll be ok, but it's still a head injury so Im keeping an eye on him.

Fortunatly school is onto it and Im happy they are going to do the right thing. ie stand the boys down for a short time and then do what they are calling a restorative action on the boys part.

Meetings with parents of kids and me then I get to have my say to the boys.

so, had a brief and pointed set of words with them as they were getting marched into the office, but what sorts of things should i be saying when I get my chance next week? Im too angry to say anything sensible right now, but should be calmer by then.
Suggestions?

The fact that you are going to go and "stand up" for the poor kid is just going to get him beaten up even more.

Telll you son to harden the fuck up and give it back to them.

Or do you want a poof for a child.

[Edbear]

Thanks bikers...you're awesome. Unfortunatly I dont have a partner. he died a year ago next week. Its been a prick of a day what with getting papers into court to try and keep our home then dealing with this.

It all gets a bit much

ok, so police, photos, large hairy smelly biker mates outside the school. ( need volunteers for that one, dont know anyone here in the Hutt )

Im onto it.

Son has stopped shaking and started to think the bruise is kinda cool. Boys!

thanks again everyone.

Sorry to hear of your loss. Solo parenting is the hardest job and you need to be pretty tough, esp with teenage sons!

[BoristheBiter]

Not that i am promoting it (maybe i am with this post) but there was a couple of guys that would go around picking on kids at school thinking they where the big man.
they carried on into collage and had a go at me one day and when i was walking away they hit me on the back of the head and laughed while i was down. nothing was done so i waited untill one of them was along (a month or so later) and king hit him and while he was down i put the boot in.
They never picked on me or anyone else again.
I was suspended for 1 week but it was so worth it.

The system today will do nothing to stop any of what is going on.
It should be picked up early and changed.

Sorry Ratti but i think that there will be nothing done. at the least they should have been suspended and the fact they weren't shows what will happen next.

[Tank]

Mr13 got dealt to by pair of boys in his form. Knocked out, bruised face/temple, kicked in guts and knee. HAd to stop my day and take him to AnE to get him checked. He's home now with mild concussion, vision has settled to normal and he has just had a bit to eat. Im picking he'll be ok, but it's still a head injury so Im keeping an eye on him.



The fact that you are going to go and "stand up" for the poor kid is just going to get him beaten up even more.

Telll you son to harden the fuck up and give it back to them.

Or do you want a poof for a child.

Tinkletoes - you might have missed the important bits - the 13old was knocked out and had concussion - this is not a case of just being called a rude name. Serious attacks like that by asshole 13yos needs to be addressed - and it needs to be done properly. Will that make the kid a poof - no, and its a fuck load better than having a kid who next time dosnt get so lucky with the head injury and ends up in a wheelchair.


DON'T. Take it to the police right away. You are pissing into the wind thinking the school will do anything, and the kid will be just hoping you do nothing.

My kid is just starting karate classes, and he's starting to fill out like his massive uncles. The same thing happened to him last year. It won't happen again, unless they don't like the shape of their face.

Steve

We used to call it 'green belt syndrome' kid goes to katate for a couple of years and believes that means he can fight. normally ends up bashed by kids who have never done a class in their life. very LOL.

Still - he can always take your nunchucks huh?

And whats with the advise of calling the police this time - reading your other post you would think you were against that - which DB are we talking to today/

[MSTRS]

Little shits like this understand one thing. The power of a (figurative) stick. Confront them with a bigger stick. Police. Hit squad. You choose.

[duckonin]

fuck mate, at my school you suspened for hittign soemoen in the face... pretyty slack school if they 'suspend' for hurting a perosn that bad...those fuckers sohudl be kicked out....

Leave the TXTing out so some of us can understand your garbled crapp...

[Tank]

Little shits like this understand one thing. The power of a (figurative) stick. Confront them with a bigger stick. Police. Hit squad. You choose.

When you have nobody else to turn to

http://moproblems.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/the-a-team.jpg

[Tank]

Leave the TXTing out so some of us can understand your garbled crapp...

OMG LOL thts GD.

[EJK]

What Would Jesus Do?

[Tank]

What Would Jesus Do?

what would he do?

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/teabaggen4545/Whatwouldjesusdo.png

[jim.cox]

Mr 13 needs to know how to stand-up fopr himself

The bullying will just continue till he does

I'd suggest taking up a martial art

And as for the perps in question - I'd beat the puss out them - but them I'm not very PC - failing that do get the coppers in - press charges for assualt

[Slyer]

My intermediate had a bunch of awesome guys that made all bully's lives hell. Counter-bullying is very effective.
I was a little weenie kid but I never got beaten up. :bleh:

[Genestho]

I got bullied in 3rd form, as did heaps of girls - by 5th form Maori girls at College, called themselves "da mob" after a couple of good lunchtime punchups, including throwing a desk at one of them in class (a follower) after bashing me over the head with a rather large text book (just about dropped me to my knees), I wasn't ever bullied again for the rest of my stay, but then I was never knocked out, so.... school has always had bullies, but I think it's how it dealt with now that's different and no good.
There were CONSEQUENCES!

[jahrasti]

As other people have said, your child should learn some sort of contact sport.

Boxing is very good and I did it for years growing up however I would suggest some sort of MMA that encompasses both striking and grappling.

Learning something like this is more than just being able to defend himself (which is pretty important) it will teach confidence.

The confidence that your son will gain will follow him through his whole life. I will point out that you must control the confidence as it can become arogence and then other problems will occur.

Karate and some of those types of martial arts are shit. You need to learn a system that will teach him to both punch and take a punch as some of those systems don't teach full contact.

Learning to take a punch is effective as it will teach you son to keep cool and that you can be hit and with a good guard you wont even feel it.

If your son has the confidence that he could wipe the floor with the person in his face he may just walk away as he nothing to prove. In the case provided I don't think walking away would help as I beleive that sometimes force must be meet with force.

Remember that bullying doesn't stop at school. It happens in the adult world, alot of the types that assaulted your son hang out in social scenario's looking for people to prey on. it happens more and more often in town.

[CookMySock]

Karate and some of those types of martial arts are shit. You need to learn a system that will teach him to both punch and take a punchUhh, whut? Those were the first two things karate taught my kid, as well as how to deliver a kick.

Next is the balance to tech him - what he CAN fix by hitting, and what he cannot. That will be the tricky one, and worse still, it will be left completely up to you. Lots of people think they can fix anything by hitting, or by belittling, or targetting in other ways, but these are just different forms of the same violence, Tank.

Steve

[Swoop]

they carried on into collage
Collage? Were they art students?

[BoristheBiter]

Collage? Were they art students?

yep they would made up of PVA glue, macaroni and bits of old magazines.

[BoristheBiter]

Uhh, whut? Those were the first two things karate taught my kid, as well as how to deliver a kick.

Next is the balance to tech him - what he CAN fix by hitting, and what he cannot. That will be the tricky one, and worse still, it will be left completely up to you. Lots of people think they can fix anything by hitting, or by belittling, or targetting in other ways, but these are just different forms of the same violence, Tank.

Steve

OK who has hacked DB's account.
we know its not you beacuse you forgot to add "in my opinion".
or do you just have post traumatic thread disorder by not remembering what you have written in the past, i.e."if someone is stupid enough to fuck themselves up that bad in a bike crash then they deserve everything they get".

[Tank]

Lots of people think they can fix anything by hitting, or by belittling, or targetting in other ways, but these are just different forms of the same violence, Tank.

Steve

You cannot fix everything by hitting etc - but it does tend to work on the mouth breathers that cannot understand commonsense and logic. You just have to pick your audience and use a lever that works for them, DB.

horses for courses and all that.

[Ratti]

Tinkltoes, fuck off. Your post was full of shit and I dont need it.
My son was defending himself from one boy when the second boy dived in and started punching him in the head.
I am taking in comments from the rest of you and slowly putting it in place.
Am seriously considering the validity of some arguments.
The boys have already been stood down under some section of the some act... There is a process that has to be followed and that is all the school can do.

cheers

[Smifffy]

Tinkltoes, fuck off. Your post was full of shit and I dont need it.

The boys have already been stood down under some section of the some act... There is a process that has to be followed and that is all the school can do.



How is son doing today?

[Ratti]

He's gone to school. Went to sleep early last night, but was coherent in speech and so on.
I doubt there will be lasting damage to anything but his pride.

Fortunatly he has a very strong sense of self and wont bow down to peer pressure. I am intending to show him this thread when he gets home after school and let him have a think on the variety of responses that have been posted. We'll have a talk about what he wants to do next.

Thanks for checking in Smiffy. Whoever says bikers are rotters don't kno the same folk I do. ( cept for 1or 2 exceptions )

[Jonno.]

I'd have to agree that a lot of karate is more of a sport and confidence exercise then that of any real value in a fight.
In a fight they're not going to count to three and wave a flag before the fight starts and you're not going to be facing someone equal to you.

Something like ju jitsu/thai kick boxing is better imo. Kung fu can be good. As with anything you need a reputable place of practice.

Other then that. Go to the cops while it's still fresh.
Also fighting dirty is often over looked. You don't like the other people otherwise you wouldn't be fighting, there's no honor in fighting.
Leave them infertile.

[MSTRS]

The kid simply needs to learn to stand up for himself mom complaining to the prinicipal or the police aint going to help

Not first in class in comprehension? Never mind, maybe simple numbers is more your thing...2 on 1 doesn't hand the win to 1.
Granted, our victim might find the opportunity to get 1 of the bully's alone - sounds like he could cope with that.

[Ixion]

Couple of considerations;

First is that it's already two to one. And bullies being what they are, if that's not enough, they'll escalate to three, four, whatever to one. "Stand up for yourself" is one thing when it's a fair fight. Many to one, is just a hiding (literally) to nothing.

Second, this isn't old school (pun not intended) playground fight, with a bloody nose , black eye and split lip. Concussion and putting the boot in is a nasty step beyond that

Third, is that the school is not only failing Master Ratti. it's failing the bullies as well. If they aren't pulled up short and hard at this stage, they're going to take away the lesson that bullying works, that causing pain is fun. Read any newspaper to see what sort of people they'll develop into. The short term gratification of hurting people is paid for by a long term lifetime of alienation and brutality. Until eventually they end up in prison or run into an even bigger bully and end up dead or worse. They need taking in hand for their own sakes.

[jim.cox]

They need taking in hand for their own sakes.

Bring back the stocks

A couple of days wearing the public displeasure and ridicule will do far more than any "restorative justice" bullshit

[Ratti]

well said Ixion.
I have encouraged both my sons to walk away from bullshit, but if someone takes a swing..hit back, hit hard then run.

Tinkltoes, take your dislike of DB to a different thread. this is not the appropriate place for it.

[tinkeltoes]

Not first in class in comprehension? Never mind, maybe simple numbers is more your thing...2 on 1 doesn't hand the win to 1.
Granted, our victim might find the opportunity to get 1 of the bully's alone - sounds like he could cope with that.

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac

[Smifffy]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write.

That's where real poofters come from....

People tend to find it much easier to express themselves when using proper grammar ;)

[MSTRS]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac:slap: I said comprehension, not grammar. Comprehension = understanding. Often, grammar helps comprehension, but in your case it appears as tho both are mutually exclusive. Oooops - I mean missing.
:dodge:

[Ferkletastic]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac

I'm curious: How old are you?

[Edbear]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac

Stoopid teacher...!

[Ratti]

Guys, I agree with your posts...please, start a different one where we can whine about lack of understanding and grammatical ability..

cheers fellas. I appreciate the time you are taking out of your day to spend in this thread.

[MSTRS]

Maybe he could try a quarter viagra. Would increase the range. Or sit for the performance?

[MSTRS]

Guys, I agree with your posts...please, start a different one where we can whine about lack of understanding and grammatical ability..

Tis ok - we'll move on to beer and waving soon...

[imdying]

Nobody ever again messes with the kid who spent a week on suspension because he kept smashing another kids head with a chair till he was dragged away kicking and screaming. If he's going to do it, he needs to do it before he's 16... Just saying...

[Ratti]

beer? did someone say beer???

now there is a subject that truly deserves its own thread

[Ratti]

WOuld the widowed KB'r who posted bling about this thread please pm me? I cant see who you are on the bling page but would love to bend the ear of a woman who understands how it is for us.

[Tank]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac

Lousy English - crap post - Likes to "Dance" (thus the name twinkletoes).

You all know who this is - Dean aka youngbiker16.

rumbled again.

[jahrasti]

Uhh, whut? Those were the first two things karate taught my kid, as well as how to deliver a kick.

Next is the balance to tech him - what he CAN fix by hitting, and what he cannot. That will be the tricky one, and worse still, it will be left completely up to you. Lots of people think they can fix anything by hitting, or by belittling, or targetting in other ways, but these are just different forms of the same violence, Tank.

Steve

He may have been showen how to punch but doesn't meen he can do it correctly. Kakushin is one of the Karate systems that uses full contact and is known for it's kicking ability but not so much the upperbody. Alot of professional fighters have babbled in boxing to impove their hands.

First example off the top of my head is Ray SEFO.

No system is perfect how ever modern incarnations are incorporating the best of everything into one ass kicking Bruce LEE smoking Jet LEE beating Chuck NORRIS pounding system.

[FROSTY]

In no way justifying the actions of said bullies but your master 13 aint exactly a lil fella. I suspect a "shove" from him woulda sent ME into orbit.
What the heck is it about this time of year?kids snappy as all heck

[Tank]

Alot of professional fighters have babbled in boxing to impove their hands.

First example off the top of my head is Ray SEFO.


Ray hasnt 'dabbled' in boxing - he boxes professionally and has always had boxing trainers. Even back in the day his coach was Lolo (who trained Shane Cameron for all that was worth) - but he always concentrated on good hands.

Once sparred with him - was suitable outclassed - looks like he hits hard, but actually hits harder than it looks.

Fucken worst 9 minutes I can remember.

[Ratti]

I dont want to read any more bull about getting my son to beat the other boys. Go make your own thread to discuss the best way to do that.

I encourage self defence, but a 'name' for being tough is bullshit.

My son is already 6foot tall at 13, he has the typical pattern of being a gentle giant that small pricks who want to 'prove' themselves against pick on. he doesnt want to fight - why should he have to?

You're right Frosty, the thought of a shove from him should be enough to put off the average 13 yo..but these two boys are out to prove themselves tough. My son is only one that they pick on in an attempt to do so. They are also not small lads. About my height but already more heavily muscled than my son. One on one it would have been a fair fight and I may not be as pissed off as I am..its the pack fight onto one that has got my whiskers prickled and fangs bared

ps..was bloody great to see you yesterday dude!

[jahrasti]

I dont want to read any more bull about getting my son to beat the other boys. Go make your own thread to discuss the best way to do that.

I encourage self defence, but a 'name' for being tough is bullshit.

My son is already 6foot tall at 13, he has the typical pattern of being a gentle giant that small pricks who want to 'prove' themselves against pick on. he doesnt want to fight - why should he have to?

No one is saying that your son has to beat up other boys. We are saying that he needs the tools to look after himself.

Why should he have to? Because unfortunately it is the big bad world and some people like to inflict misery.

[Smifffy]

No system is perfect how ever modern incarnations are incorporating the best of everything into one ass kicking Bruce LEE smoking Jet LEE beating Chuck NORRIS pounding system.

This is one of the best ways to pick a good dojo - avoid any that say they "incorporate the best of everything" like the plague. It takes most of a lifetime to even get to see the best of any true martial art, let alone become proficient in it.

Anyone who claims to be proficient in the "best" of any art is either lying or stupid, and you don't want them as a teacher.

[jahrasti]

Ray hasnt 'dabbled' in boxing - he boxes professionally and has always had boxing trainers. Even back in the day his coach was Lolo (who trained Shane Cameron for all that was worth) - but he always concentrated on good hands.

Once sparred with him - was suitable outclassed - looks like he hits hard, but actually hits harder than it looks.

Fucken worst 9 minutes I can remember.

That was my point except I am to lazy to type my whole point across. So thanks for finishing it off.

[FROSTY]

Best advice for your son nratti-same advice I gave my son--wherever possible walk away.
Im sorry to say this though but sometimes there really is no choice but to stand your ground the choices sometimes are--stand there -take a beating.fight back take a beating anyways.

[Tank]

No one is saying that your son has to beat up other boys. We are saying that he needs the tools to look after himself.

Why should he have to? Because unfortunately it is the big bad world and some people like to inflict misery.

Sorry,

My 2c for what it is worth. Fighting is the totally worse thing he (or anyone) can do.

Even if they win - they can lose, often a lot more than just a hiding. Someone can hit their head, whatever.

Really - the 'baddies' need to be made accountable for their actions. Can your son do it - no. Can the teachers - more so, but really no.

Your son was hurt - and it could have been a lot, lot worse. And a consussion is not far away from a potentially serious injury.

Give it to the people who are best equiped to handle it - the police. In the meantime it also teaches your son about fixing problems the right way.

Sorry this got off track - and I really hope that your son gets it worked out. As I said in my rep comment - things lile this can impact young 'uns for the rest of their life - so get it sorted as quickly as you can.

good luck !

[FROSTY]

What can i say we didnt learn grammar in school my teacher always said that its more important that i come to school and express myself than learn to read and write. some of us just aint cut out to be the next emenim or to pac
Just a heads up here--You I'm sure are aware of what happens if senior mods discover a person operating under a nomme de plume? You do know if a complaint is laid they can check back on the posters ISP doncha?-Before posting anything you woulda read the forum rules.

[jahrasti]

This is one of the best ways to pick a good dojo - avoid any that say they "incorporate the best of everything" like the plague. It takes most of a lifetime to even get to see the best of any true martial art, let alone become proficient in it.

Anyone who claims to be proficient in the "best" of any art is either lying or stupid, and you don't want them as a teacher.

With out getting off topic again. I did not type 'anyone' as I at no point referred to an individual being the master.

Have a look at MMA fighters, they are now mostly very well rounded fighters in the ring. You could mabee say jack of all trades master of none.

It is not uncommon for people to learn a couple of different styles at once. I always wanted to learn jujitsu who knows I still might however I may brake my hip in the process.

[yungatart]

Sorry to hear about your son, Ratti.
I work in a high school, and whilst bullying still happens, there is no way this would happen at my school!

When you meet with the culprits, they will apologise (it is expected). Be sure to not accept their apology straight away
Make them suffer a little. Classic line...don't waste your time on 'sorry' just don't do it again!

I also think you should go to the Police, extra insurance, if you like.
Look after your lad....concussion/head injury can be nasty.

[jim.cox]

Best advice for your son nratti-same advice I gave my son--wherever possible walk away.
Im sorry to say this though but sometimes there really is no choice but to stand your ground the choices sometimes are--stand there -take a beating.fight back take a beating anyways.

Got to disagree, Frosty

Walk away: and the bullying will just continue - certainally did in my case

It only stops when you stand up for yourself - again my expereince

[Number One]

Sorry to hear about your boy - there are some bloody awful little shits out there!


If the Police don't know about it already make sure they do.

I would echo what Mr O has said. My girlfriends 14 year old got bashed a couple of months back by some little fucktards. He was carted off in an ambulance unconscious and the hospital was quite freaked about the size of the swelling on his head where the little shits had kicked him repeatedly while he was down. This took place out of school grounds and a member of the public intergvened and called the ambulance...but still the cops were not involved!!!! UNTIL my girlfriend got onto them. At first they were all blaise about it and took the assailants words for it that it was 'just a minor school boys scuffle and disagreement' :rolleyes: She kicked up a stink and got the hospital records down to the cop shop and gave them a really hard time about it. FFS it's assault already! The little shits shouldn't just get a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket and wee telling off from you and the school - it's a violent offence for god sake!

:lol: can ya tell this heats me up?!

Anyway the good news is that they got these little shits actions 'officially recorded' (so next time they do something dodgy they atleast don't come off as first time offenders....cos none of them were before they took to my friends son) and they have had to fork out for a replacement cellphone (which was damaged and broken in the attack) and they have been removed from the one class he had to be in with them and they had to pay him a little bit of money to 'atone' MY ARSE poor buggers personality has changed a fair bit and the head injury has him up and down like a yo yo too.

Good luck!

[Ratti]

Why do I keep hearing a song in my head today?

All together now...

Promise me son not to do the things Ive done
walk away from trouble if you can.
It wont mean you're weak
if you turn the other cheek.
I hope you're old enough to understand,
Son you don't have to fight to be a man.

and we all know how the song finishes....

[motleycbt125]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you guys he isnt "Twinkletoes" he was at rugby practice in the morning, neither would he make a fool out of himself calling him that name. I will request the head of site to track down the IP adress of the user in question and the existing user who created this fraud account will be punished accordingly.

[Number One]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you guys he isnt "Twinkletoes" he was at rugby practice in the morning, neither would he make a fool out of himself calling him that name. I will request the head of site to track down the IP adress of the user in question and the existing user who created this fraud account will be punished accordingly.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooo

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb .... you know the rest ;)

[Stirts]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you.........

My mum told me to tell you to ......HTFU!!!

[yungatart]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you guys he isnt "Twinkletoes" he was at rugby practice in the morning, neither would he make a fool out of himself calling him that name. I will request the head of site to track down the IP adress of the user in question and the existing user who created this fraud account will be punished accordingly.

Oh, gawd....you mean there's two of you????????

[enigma51]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you guys he isnt "Twinkletoes" he was at rugby practice in the morning, neither would he make a fool out of himself calling him that name. I will request the head of site to track down the IP adress of the user in question and the existing user who created this fraud account will be punished accordingly.

Apparently its me ??????????

I hardly log into kb these days.

But as the lady said earlier.... off topic

[Pixie]

this time at secondary school.
Mr13 got dealt to by pair of boys in his form. Knocked out, bruised face/temple, kicked in guts and knee. HAd to stop my day and take him to AnE to get him checked. He's home now with mild concussion, vision has settled to normal and he has just had a bit to eat. Im picking he'll be ok, but it's still a head injury so Im keeping an eye on him.

Fortunatly school is onto it and Im happy they are going to do the right thing. ie stand the boys down for a short time and then do what they are calling a restorative action on the boys part.



Meetings with parents of kids and me then I get to have my say to the boys.

so, had a brief and pointed set of words with them as they were getting marched into the office, but what sorts of things should i be saying when I get my chance next week? Im too angry to say anything sensible right now, but should be calmer by then.
Suggestions?

Don't say anything.They will be expecting that sort of slap on the wrist.
Instead, swing a sack full of doorknobs into their faces.They won't expect that.
You will get into trouble,but it will be so satisfying and will have a beneficial effect.
Bullies need to experience getting fucked up,it will be good for them.

[imdying]

I dont want to read any more bull about getting my son to beat the other boys.Yes, you should let them kill him next time, that will be far more satisfying :wacko:

Make no mistake, if they're hitting him in the head to give him a concussion, then they're hitting him hard enough to kill him. Better them than him I say, but he's your son and I'm sure merely being the bigger man will work out really well with teenage boys :laugh:

[Ratti]

if you read the posts you will see he actually WAS trying to defend himself from one of the boys. the damage was done when the other one jumped in to'assist' his mate. being bigger doesnt help when its 2 on 1.

I wil continue to maintain that self defence is necessary, but dont swing first.

[imdying]

if you read the posts you will see he actually WAS trying to defend himself from one of the boys. the damage was done when the other one jumped in to'assist' his mate. being bigger doesnt help when its 2 on 1.

I wil continue to maintain that self defence is necessary, but dont swing first.Yeah, but if you read mine, you'd see I'm an advocate for him never giving them a chance to assist each other. Self defence is great, but if he swings first in the right way, it'll be the only time he ever has to.

[Tank]

Im Deans brother and he told me to tell you guys he isnt "Twinkletoes" he was at rugby practice in the morning,

How would Dean even know about it - he said he wasnt coming back.....oh I see - he was tricking - he still luffs us.


neither would he make a fool out of himself

That is really funny - have you read his post? It is possible that he has made a more of a fool out of himself than any other member of KB - ever.


I will request the head of site to track down the IP adress of the user in question and the existing user who created this fraud account will be punished accordingly.

If its not Dean / Youngbiker16 - then how do you know its a fraud account? Why should they be punished?

[Ratti]

Yeah, but if you read mine, you'd see I'm an advocate for him never giving them a chance to assist each other. Self defence is great, but if he swings first in the right way, it'll be the only time he ever has to.

I fully support your right to hold that opinion.

circumstances for my family are really rough right now. let me explain.
1.we are facing the first anniversary of my husbands death
2.have spent last 12 months fighting to be able to stay in our home.
3.found out we have to sell and divide the money with his adult sons. this means we will have to leave all our supports and move to another town.
4. then comes the assault on my son


Quite frankly, i dont need to hear your opinion again. I am prepared to give you some leeway and assume that you are posting in an attempt to help. I will tell you very clearly, I dont agree with you and you are adding to my distress by continuing to post in this thread. I'd appreciate you just leaving now and finding a thread where you will be able to offer help.

[Tank]

circumstances for my family are really rough right now. let me explain.
1.we are facing the first anniversary of my husbands death
2.have spent last 12 months fighting to be able to stay in our home.
3.found out we have to sell and divide the money with his adult sons. this means we will have to leave all our supports and move to another town.
4. then comes the assault on my son.

I know that this thread started about you looking for help for your son and his wellbeing. Plenty has been said (some good / some bad) about ideas on what to do with that.

again - I recommend going to the police - not just because they can do something about it - it also takes one more thing off your plate.

I cannot imaging how hard things must be - So remember to look after yourself also.

[MSTRS]

Sorry to hear that you are the victim of another form of bullying.
Distasteful though it is, your son's case is better dealt with by employing one or other form of 'bigger stick'. And his bullies will have reason to think twice in the future.

[Ratti]

THank you for your support. that is exactly what I have done. I dont have the energy or ability to deal with this.
Police are aware of one of the boys, the one who dived in to help. Oddly enough they are also aware of other members of his family.
Are we suprised at this??

[Tank]

Are we suprised at this??

Sadly not - shit breeds shit.

[motleycbt125]

I have a nosey through threads and found some false blame on him so I told him when he got home from school. He doesent come on anymore positive thing is the computer is free to use in the house.
I've lived with him for a fair while enough to know he wouldnt ever call himself "twinkletoes" be it real life or internet be it troll or non troll and to the sincere people on here you know that too.

Ka Kite ano
:stoogie:

[Number One]

I have a nosey through threads and found some false blame on him so I told him when he got home from school. He doesent come on anymore positive thing is the computer is free to use in the house.
I've lived with him for a fair while enough to know he wouldnt ever call himself "twinkletoes" be it real life or internet be it troll or non troll and to the sincere people on here you know that too.

Ka Kite ano
:stoogie:

Get over it already - this thread wasn't even about Dean however just like SkidMark we end up having to hear about him anyway :rolleyes: :yawn:

[Ratti]

Thanks Number One...was about to post the same comment.

[Edbear]

Thanks Number One...was about to post the same comment.

You have to expect all sorts of posts on KB. Just ignore what irks you and concentrate on the intelligent one's.... like me f'rinstance.... :cool:

[Number One]

You have to expect all sorts of posts on KB. Just ignore what irks you and concentrate on the intelligent one's.... like me f'rinstance.... :cool:

Intelligent and humble - geepers! Are you taken already?

And you are welcome Ratti

[ckai]

Thanks Number One...was about to post the same comment.

Ratti, has this been sorted or still in the process?

I was fortunate enough to be one of the bigger kids at school but I still managed to get picked on. I was neither geeky or anything. On the contrary actually. I put it down to not actually sticking up for myself because I've always hated confrontation. One kid was a short fat kid who at the age of 20 when I bumped into him again, tried the verbal crap again! Long story short, I stood there, dropped jaw, laughed and said "Dude, what the fuck? Grow up", apologised to the guy I was talking to then walked away. Once a bully always a bully ah?

It's cetainly a hard one to deal with but I did noticed that a lot of the "tough guys" I saw growing up, when they got a talking to from parents, they didn't give a rats ass.

Ganging up is one of the most cowardess (sp?) things and it just makes me wanna even the numbers and see what happens. And I hate confrontation.

If the cops already know about one of them, what are they planning on doing? What have they done in the past? Something tells me shit ain't working and something different has to be done. Stupidity is doing the same shit expecting a different result.

I saw a big group of "concerned" bikers should be employed to suggest future disciplinary action to the lads if it continues ;)

[BoristheBiter]

You have to expect all sorts of posts on KB. Just ignore what irks you and concentrate on the intelligent one's.... like me f'rinstance.... :cool:

i don't know, some times you have something good to say.

Oh sorry you ment him :doh:

[Edbear]

Intelligent and humble - geepers! Are you taken already?

And you are welcome Ratti

If I wasn't quite so modest, I'd be near perfect...

[Ratti]

Usual story, because of their age there is little th cops can do.

fair enough, but the paper trail has started and my contribution will aid someone else to make a decision.

lad has been suspended from school til next week. nice day to be goofing off, but again, there is a process that has to be adhered to. Im sure it wont be long and he'll be roaming the streets looking for something to do, maybe then I can call on some nice, helmet wearing folk to come for a visit?

O and I get to have my say to the snots on monday. damn it I will wear my riding gear, and maybe my Alice Cooper concert Tshirt....the only other black t's I have have got chickens on them...not quite the look.lol

I do ignore the trash as a rule, am majorly pissed with a lot of things and not as willing to tolerate crap as I usually am.

[MSTRS]

...
O and I get to have my say to the snots on monday..... not as willing to tolerate crap as I usually am.

Lock and load, young lady...and give them both barrels. You DO NOT and NEVER have to tolerate crap (unless it suits some purpose to do so)

[yungatart]

Good on you, love.
Don't be too gracious when you meet them, in fact, don't be gracious at all...they don't deserve it!

[PrincessBandit]

Get over it already - this thread wasn't even about Dean however just like SkidMark we end up having to hear about him anyway :rolleyes: :yawn:

Hahahaha, can't be arsed looking back through to see who brought Dean's name into the mix. Someone loads the gun and waits for someone else to fire it...(and eventually someone does, that damned person called "someone").

[Ratti]

lol I have this vision of being asked to leave the room and being told off by the principal for what I had to say
oddlyenough it wont be the first time. Im a nice Aunty Ratti..but dont back a rat into a corner and dont piss one off

[avgas]

You should say the following:

I feel sorry for you.
I feel sorry for you future wife, your future kids......the years of future stupidity you both show.
And that makes me feel sorry for my family.
Here is hoping you both commit suicide and save the world from your bullshit.

Then walk out

[Insanity_rules]

Theres plenty of us hairy smelly bikers in the hutt, I'd volunteer but off on business trip Monday. Bullys are a curse.

[Ratti]

see you monday at 1pm..my house..be there, be unwashed and be hairy..and growl. lots of growling

[golfmade]

I'd be there if I could, someone has to take my place for me to teach 'em a lesson they won't soon forget :angry2:

[ynot slow]

Does your son play a team sport?Rugby,league or soccer,and hopefully the other tossers do,a simple thing is maybe sort it out on the field lol,that way he has back up as well,and usually goes unpunished(well maybe yellow card).
Have a mate of my brother who is similar to your son,he is 6'6" and solid,a gentle giant,and is 48yrs now,about 11yrs ago the brother and his mate were up town getting a feed after a work piss up.A couple of little toss pots were giving the tall guy grief,he just ignored them,then the little toss pot tries swinging at the tall guy,who just held the punchee away from himself,all that happened was arms swinging and hitting fresh air,much to the little wankers dismay and laughter from a couple more hoons.Would've been funny except my brother was on his own and about 100mts from his place when he was king hit,being pretty pissed he went home and slept it off,woke up next morning and off to A&E,ended up with ruptured spleen(suspected)and severe internal bruising.

[Ratti]

Son is not interested in sport. he is a bookworm, terribly shortsighted.

[Mom]

I was bullied at school by a bunch of females, I tried ignoring them, then I used to tell them to fuck off! My parents told me that sticks and stones would hurt my bones blah blah. After taking the fuck off route they used to challenge me to fights on the netball courts. I ignored them and as a result used to get my head slammed in my locker, my books stolen out of my locker and flushed, getting shoved into walls, tripped up, you name it. The verbal shit was intense. I HATED school as a result.

I made a friend, a senior at the school, that I confided in about what was happening. We played in a band together otherwise I would have been invisible to her at school. She drove a Mini. One day we were driving along and spotted the main bully walking down the road. After I confirmed that it was, my friend revved up the car, mounted the footpath and attempted to run this chick over (not really, but I would not have wanted to be the runner) This chick eventually ran down a driveway. My fiend stopped, wound down the window and told this chick if anything else happened to me at school, the next time she would not stop. I never got bullied again.

I dont condone that behaviour. I came from a vulnerable home. I am grateful for that older girl doing what she did.

One of my kids was bullied at school. After asking the school to keep an eye out and nothing actually happening I rang the parents of this kid and went to pay a visit. It got sorted.

Dont let your boy down here mate. This went far and away past bullying, this was brutal thuggery, it needs to be dealt with by the professionals.

[Fatt Max]

I was bullied at school by a bunch of females, I tried ignoring them, then I used to tell them to fuck off! My parents told me that sticks and stones would hurt my bones blah blah. After taking the fuck off route they used to challenge me to fights on the netball courts. I ignored them and as a result used to get my head slammed in my locker, my books stolen out of my locker and flushed, getting shoved into walls, tripped up, you name it. The verbal shit was intense. I HATED school as a result.

I made a friend, a senior at the school, that I confided in about what was happening. We played in a band together otherwise I would have been invisible to her at school. She drove a Mini. One day we were driving along and spotted the main bully walking down the road. After I confirmed that it was, my friend revved up the car, mounted the footpath and attempted to run this chick over (not really, but I would not have wanted to be the runner) This chick eventually ran down a driveway. My fiend stopped, wound down the window and told this chick if anything else happened to me at school, the next time she would not stop. I never got bullied again.

I dont condone that behaviour. I came from a vulnerable home. I am grateful for that older girl doing what she did.

One of my kids was bullied at school. After asking the school to keep an eye out and nothing actually happening I rang the parents of this kid and went to pay a visit. It got sorted.

Dont let your boy down here mate. This went far and away past bullying, this was brutal thuggery, it needs to be dealt with by the professionals.

I was bullied at school fecking big time. I could handle myself but these bastards were 3-4 years above me and took exception to the fact that I played in the school rock band at 11 years old and giot more 'female' attention then they did. I took a few slaps off them but always gave it back as best I could. In the end, they backed off and ot was all sweet.

These bastards though, as Mom says, are thugs. They need sorting on an offical front. I know it's tempting to round them up and beat the shit out of them but our PC riddled society wont allow that unfortunatley and would never take your side if you did. Stick with it mate...11

[Ratti]

I'm heartbroken FM, here I am thinking that you were a virgin to adulation...and that Foxzee and me were the first

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117959-For-women-of-a-certain-age?p=1129656096#post1129656096

[Ronin]

What Would Jesus Do?

Tell his daddy?

[tinkeltoes]

Tell his daddy?

He would have turned the other cheek ........ just like a poof

[Smifffy]

Hope the meeting went ok for you both. Do you think there will be any changes?

Cheers
Smifffy

[Ratti]

Hi Ya Smifffy
I wasnt allowed to say the things I wanted to say, so I went ahead and said them anyway. lol. sod it, was going to be my only chance.
The boys have agreed to stay at least arms length away from each other and to not say anything. The school actually seems pretty on to it to be fair. They are going to keep a close eye on the situation and make sure it doesnt get away. We shall see.

And the youth aid cop at our local is going to be involved for a while so Im hoping that might be a wake up call for them as well.

I'm ready to drop active involvment with the issue and watch to see what develops. In the meantime, son is looking forward to doing the sound at the sports day tomorrow and for the performances the bands and drama group put on. He knows what he likes to do and has dived in to do it. All good (ish)
Thanks for your support. Son chortled and Hmmmd through the posts last night, picking out the ideas he liked best.

cheers

[Trudes]

Good stuff Ratti, hope it stays settled.

[Number One]

Aww good. To little Ratti - don't let the bastards grind ya down ;)

[peasea]

If you want to get to the truth - lay a complaint with the police

You have GOT to be taking the piss.

[RT527]

Creating introverts......?

Two of my two cousins were home-schooled. They're weird. It does'nt happen to all home-schoolers but all I have met that were home-schooled are a bit weird.

Plus they're limited to the knowledge of their parents. Lecture notes are'nt enough. Especially at secondary level.

Besides, they'll never live it down if they end up in a job like mine! (did you have a crush on your teacher?was your teacher hot?ever get sent to the principal etcetc)

You Work ???? !