Pro-twins

[woodyracer]

Hae is there an age limit on this class?, ive emailed mzn but thye too lsow, tohgith oyu guys might know,

Im 15, so is it 16 or something?, also how do you come aobut getting a licence exception if it is 16?

Thanks -Max

[JayRacer37]

Hae is there an age limit on this class?, ive emailed mzn but thye too lsow, tohgith oyu guys might know,

Im 15, so is it 16 or something?, also how do you come aobut getting a licence exception if it is 16?

Thanks -Max

As far as I know any compition above 150SS age limit is 15. So if your old man has the $$$, at 15 and a week you could be riding a SBK...

[neil_cb125t]

As far as I know any compition above 150SS age limit is 15. So if your old man has the $$$, at 15 and a week you could be riding a SBK...
hi Jay

hows the nats going dude - just about to start the strip down pre 2011 nats

chappy

[Foxzee]

Hae is there an age limit on this class?, ive emailed mzn but thye too lsow, tohgith oyu guys might know,

Im 15, so is it 16 or something?, also how do you come aobut getting a licence exception if it is 16?

Thanks -Max
Hey Max....
Send me a PM with your email addy and I will send info through to you..........

Cheers
Dee:)
VP Racing
VMCC

[woodyracer]

As far as I know any compition above 150SS age limit is 15. So if your old man has the $$$, at 15 and a week you could be riding a SBK...

im not plannig not plannign on kiling myself.....ahaha, just looking at a 05 gt650,

[Foxzee]

im not plannig not plannign on kiling myself.....ahaha, just looking at a 05 gt650,

Well that's a good start there woody...I'll send you through the info as soon as I can....have just got your PM....

Dee:)

[woodyracer]

Well that's a good start there woody...I'll send you through the info as soon as I can....have just got your PM....

Dee:)

thanks man.

[Billy]

thanks man.

Thanks man WTF ?????

Time too ask your dad about the birds and bees me thinks LOL

[woodyracer]

Thanks man WTF ?????

Time too ask your dad about the birds and bees me thinks LOL

hahahhah, didnt look at gender thing..hahah,

[JayRacer37]

hi Jay

hows the nats going dude - just about to start the strip down pre 2011 nats

chappy

Giving yourself plenty of rebuild time huh!?!?!?

So far so good. Leaving Friday to head to Pie-land/roa. Yum yum ;)

[Foxzee]

Thanks man WTF ?????

Time too ask your dad about the birds and bees me thinks LOL

Well I always let them get away with one little mistake Billy...that's his for the season.....lol;)

[neil_cb125t]

yeah i was going to do PMCC series but blew a head gasket last round - decided to save a bit extra and rebuild her. hopefully a little more developement too..........;-)

Missing pie a roa dammit too =!! its stupidy awesome that track is!!

[Foxzee]

yeah i was going to do PMCC series but blew a head gasket last round - decided to save a bit extra and rebuild her. hopefully a little more developement too..........;-)

Missing pie a roa dammit too =!! its stupidy awesome that track is!!

Hey Chap the man!:)

Going to give ya a tinkle re nat's......how you feel about riding a quad for me......

Hahaha 2 up lunchtime entertainment....
kidding really..........

Dee:)

[quickbuck]

Giving yourself plenty of rebuild time huh!?!?!?


Yeah... apparently his Mechanic is very slow..... Can't even get a bike painted!!!
How's this for thread jacking??

Anyway, all the best with Pierower Jay....

Oh, and Max, good on you for looking to step up... But remember that sometimes it is better to work on the cornering speed rather than compensate with more power......

[quickbuck]

Hey Chap the man!:)

Going to give ya a tinkle re nat's......how you feel about riding a quad for me......

Hahaha 2 up lunchtime entertainment....
kidding really..........

Dee:)
If he doesn't I will.......
SERIOUSLY!

[woodyracer]

Yeah... apparently his Mechanic is very slow..... Can't even get a bike painted!!!
How's this for thread jacking??

Anyway, all the best with Pierower Jay....

Oh, and Max, good on you for looking to step up... But remember that sometimes it is better to work on the cornering speed rather than compensate with more power......

yea i know, but i dont want to limit myself to ss150 bikes, im big enough and strong enough to handel one so why not?
Im not haivgn much fun on the krr150.....its too slow, sure oyu learn cornering but, so does a 650.......i still ride a bucket aswel

Thanks for your support. -Max

[Foxzee]

If he doesn't I will.......
SERIOUSLY!

Hey if you want to help out....PM me.........

Be good to see you there and out there if you wanna lend a hand...........

[quickbuck]

yea i know, but i dont want to limit myself to ss150 bikes, im big enough and strong enough to handel one so why not?
Im not haivgn much fun on the krr150.....its too slow, sure oyu learn cornering but, so does a 650.......i still ride a bucket aswel

Thanks for your support. -Max

Fair enough Max, as you were, carry on.,,,,

Good to hear you still have a Bucket to let loose on.... I mean, to continue to use the art of maintaining momentum.

Not doubting your strength to go to a pro twin at all.... Just that I hear all to often (and I must admit it is from noob road riders) "My 250 is slow and gutless, I NEED a Six Hundred!"
Truth in that case is the last thing they need is a 600! They will just get to the accident faster.....

Anyhow, go hard on your desire for the Pro Twin.

[woodyracer]

Fair enough Max, as you were, carry on.,,,,

Good to hear you still have a Bucket to let loose on.... I mean, to continue to use the art of maintaining momentum.

Not doubting your strength to go to a pro twin at all.... Just that I hear all to often (and I must admit it is from noob road riders) "My 250 is slow and gutless, I NEED a Six Hundred!"
Truth in that case is the last thing they need is a 600! They will just get to the accident faster.....

Anyhow, go hard on your desire for the Pro Twin.

i agree, ive ridden the 250 hyosung racebike..and that wasnt a hand-full so the 650 should be perfect keep me on my feet!

[Str8 Jacket]

Mr Max, where the hell do you get all your money from?

[woodyracer]

Mr Max, where the hell do you get all your money from?

is that any of your bussiness??, i supose all the moto acadamy boys pay $7000 of their own money aye??........

[Str8 Jacket]

is that any of your bussiness??, i supose all the moto acadamy boys pay $7000 of their own money aye??........

I was being sarcastic.... what I meant was that its going to cost a hell of alot more to move up to protwins when you could still get so much out of SS150....

Settle! ;)

And yes, I know of a couple who have had to pay their own way!

[woodyracer]

I was being sarcastic.... what I meant was that its going to cost a hell of alot more to move up to protwins when you could still get so much out of SS150....

Settle! ;)

And yes, I know of a couple who have had to pay their own way!

To be honest, ive ridden a 250 twin race bike and it was so much fun i felt like i was in heaven...and a 650 is even better than that......my 150 is realy boring.....it dosnt keep me o nmy toes......and it dosnt let me use my riding abiltiy to its full.... i will never be able ot ride it fast......i prefer my cbr125 even though its 20hp less.......

Im settled i just get sick of people saying "who paying for it" and then i see people my age with 125gp bikes ect.......im only looking at gettign a 05 hyosug 650.....they are pretty cheap.....

[Str8 Jacket]

To be honest, ive ridden a 250 twin race bike and it was so much fun i felt like i was in heaven...and a 650 is even better than that......my 150 is realy boring.....it dosnt keep me o nmy toes......and it dosnt let me use my riding abiltiy to its full.... i will never be able ot ride it fast......i prefer my cbr125 even though its 20hp less.......

Im settled i just get sick of people saying "who paying for it" and then i see people my age with 125gp bikes ect.......im only looking at gettign a 05 hyosug 650.....they are pretty cheap.....

Dont ever care about what people are saying to or about you. What you have to think about is what you want out of life. At the end of the day only you know. The comment regarding little bikes, corner speed and riding technique are valid if you ever want to be a "spectacular rider"!

[woodyracer]

Dont ever care about what people are saying to or about you. What you have to think about is what you want out of life. At the end of the day only you know. The comment regarding little bikes, corner speed and riding technique are valid if you ever want to be a "spectacular rider"!

99% of people are supportive.....the 1%ers are the people who have never meet me and talked to me....... i love racing buckets, and ill keep my bucket until i cant race no-more, but i do want ot get the "big' felling, also the numbersi ss150 are very small, so racing isnt tight.....

Thanks -Max

[lostinflyz]

To be honest, ive ridden a 250 twin race bike and it was so much fun i felt like i was in heaven...and a 650 is even better than that......my 150 is realy boring.....it dosnt keep me o nmy toes......and it dosnt let me use my riding abiltiy to its full.... i will never be able ot ride it fast......i prefer my cbr125 even though its 20hp less.......

Im settled i just get sick of people saying "who paying for it" and then i see people my age with 125gp bikes ect.......im only looking at gettign a 05 hyosug 650.....they are pretty cheap.....

have a good talk to jay about the hyo man. I know hes sponsored but i spent a bit of time up his pipe at teratonga and to be fair, the bike was slow, particularly in a straight line. And this is coming from a guy on a pretty well stock 400. esp considering a slightly earlier SV (last of the carbies im guessing) is likely to be similarly priced and parts alot more readyily about.

you'll have to be smart about the 650 tho, a 125 is likely to teach you things alot more obviously than the 650 ever will. Commuter vs hard core race bike and all that.

monies money. It grows on trees. (in a round about way it does.) if you wanna do it, youll find a way to pay for it.

[woodyracer]

have a good talk to jay about the hyo man. I know hes sponsored but i spent a bit of time up his pipe at teratonga and to be fair, the bike was slow, particularly in a straight line. And this is coming from a guy on a pretty well stock 400. esp considering a slightly earlier SV (last of the carbies im guessing) is likely to be similarly priced and parts alot more readyily about.

you'll have to be smart about the 650 tho, a 125 is likely to teach you things alot more obviously than the 650 ever will. Commuter vs hard core race bike and all that.



monies money. It grows on trees. (in a round about way it does.) if you wanna do it, youll find a way to pay for it.

I dono, it mgiht be down on power, but maybe it was slow because the bike hasnt been tested enough? im not plannign on winning the nationals.....i dont need a bike like that......125gp is too hard hard......even keith biddle suggest 650's.....so it looks like ill go down this path.....

[xr-rider]

max. do ss150s for at least 1 season. going to the 400 has been a big step up for me. the age is 16+ for anything other than a 150 but mnz have told me that you can get a senior licence at 15 which will let you race more than a 150

[woodyracer]

max. do ss150s for at least 1 season. going to the 400 has been a big step up for me. the age is 16+ for anything other than a 150 but mnz have told me that you can get a senior licence at 15 which will let you race more than a 150

na, ive ridden big bikes, my ss150 is not right for me, i jsut dont like it, In fact im riding my cbr125 instead of the KRR in the nats because at least ive got decent tires and i feel comfortable on it.

[oyster]

I dono, it mgiht be down on power, but maybe it was slow because the bike hasnt been tested enough? im not plannign on winning the nationals.....i dont need a bike like that......125gp is too hard hard......even keith biddle suggest 650's.....so it looks like ill go down this path.....

I've been coaching 13 t0 17 year olds for about 7 years now and the ones that learned all they can on a 150 before progressing to 125GP or pro twin do quite well. Of the ones who haven't completed this
"apprenticeship" about nine out of ten fail big time. And it hurt, the pocket, body and most importantly,
the confidence. Woody, if you've got the money for a pro twin, you've got the money to travel about
and put yourself through some tough and skill developing Streetstock competition this year. You're only
15, plenty of time yet. Get yourself down south so you can race with your peers (about 40 of them)
and see if you can win the Sport Fotoz Cup 2010. If you win that, then we ALL know you're ready.
Sounds ridiculous? No, not really, many Aucklanders commute to the SI for Streetstock. Avalon did,
ask her what it's like, and how important it was for her.
Ask your club for support, La Salle Carr (Classic Register) got it to travel down here in January
for the nationals Streetstock support class. He learnt a HUGE amount.

[xr-rider]

i am not attacking you here, i just don't want to see you make a costly mistake. you may think you are ready for a pro twin but after watching you at the TRRS and pacific club round at manfield i don't think you are ready. wait until you are of a similar pace of tyler and ryan firn. once you reach there speed you will be ready. you may not realise ti but the 150s teach you heaps about corner speed and other race craft

[k14]

I've been coaching 13 t0 17 year olds for about 7 years now and the ones that learned all they can on a 150 before progressing to 125GP or pro twin do quite well. Of the ones who haven't completed this
"apprenticeship" about nine out of ten fail big time. And it hurt, the pocket, body and most importantly,
the confidence. Woody, if you've got the money for a pro twin, you've got the money to travel about
and put yourself through some tough and skill developing Streetstock competition this year. You're only
15, plenty of time yet. Get yourself down south so you can race with your peers (about 40 of them)
and see if you can win the Sport Fotoz Cup 2010. If you win that, then we ALL know you're ready.
Sounds ridiculous? No, not really, many Aucklanders commute to the SI for Streetstock. Avalon did,
ask her what it's like, and how important it was for her.
Ask your club for support, La Salle Carr (Classic Register) got it to travel down here in January
for the nationals Streetstock support class. He learnt a HUGE amount.
Totally agree with that. If you are wanting to do well and be at the pointy end you have to do the hard yards first. Racing in 150's and then 125GP is the only way (imo) to get to be a well rounded rider. If you jump straight onto a pro twin all you will do is be disappointed. Riding in 150s for another few years along with buckets will teach you the skills you need to do well on the bigger bikes when you decide you are good enough to move up.

[SWERVE]

I agree DONT go hopping on a 650 too early. I let Ants loose on the SV & 675 which he rode very well during last season and we had someone who was ready to buy him a 600/1000 (i kid you not).He to thought he might be "too good" for ss150............. untill he did the nats....now he is chomping at the bit to ride the RG next year and have a "learning year" onthe SV (and it will be)
Take advice from oyster..come and race the guys & girls down here if ya want convincing.

[woodyracer]

i am not attacking you here, i just don't want to see you make a costly mistake. you may think you are ready for a pro twin but after watching you at the TRRS and pacific club round at manfield i don't think you are ready. wait until you are of a similar pace of tyler and ryan firn. once you reach there speed you will be ready. you may not realise ti but the 150s teach you heaps about corner speed and other race craft

well im just as fast as the firns when we race buckets........as i said before i dont feel comfotable on the ss150 bike......

For some reason this thread a turned into? should i go ot pro-twins?, id rather ride my cbr125 in ss150 for a whole season then on my krr...... also i cant do another season, because i cant get to manfeild to the winter series.

[Str8 Jacket]

. also i cant do another season, because i cant get to manfeild to the winter series.

Why?
<plusten>

[woodyracer]

Why?
<plusten>

parents too busy......its 5.30 hours from auckland.....id rather jsut ride buckets throguth the winter, then ride pukekehe,hampton downs,taupo in the summer.....

[Str8 Jacket]

parents too busy......its 5.30 hours from auckland.....id rather jsut ride buckets throguth the winter, then ride pukekehe,hampton downs,taupo in the summer.....

Fair enough. Thought about asking someone for a lift? There are normally a few from Akld that come down. Also, not having a dig here but the cost of one winter series on the SS150 bike, plus petrol entry fees etc will still cost you less than the price of just buyng pro-twin bike without including the cost of tyres etc etc...

Have you ever tried an RG150? They are a much bigger bike and you may feel better racing one of those than the KR. You could sell your KR for much more than what you'd buy an RG and then you could use the 'savings' to race a whole series on the RG and learn a shit load!

[woodyracer]

Fair enough. Thought about asking someone for a lift? There are normally a few from Akld that come down. Also, not having a dig here but the cost of one winter series on the SS150 bike, plus petrol entry fees etc will still cost you less than the price of just buyng pro-twin bike without including the cost of tyres etc etc...

Have you ever tried an RG150? They are a much bigger bike and you may feel better racing one of those than the KR. You could sell your KR for much more than what you'd buy an RG and then you could use the 'savings' to race a whole series on the RG and learn a shit load!

well my cbr125, is gettign close to ss150 bike speed......so i could jsut race that instread, the pro-twin is to race next season and some track-days over the winter, im not planning on racing pro-twins til the road race spectacualr....im jsut goign to get a bike and sort it out ect.....

[JayRacer37]

well my cbr125, is gettign close to ss150 bike speed......so i could jsut race that instread, the pro-twin is to race next season and some track-days over the winter, im not planning on racing pro-twins til the road race spectacualr....im jsut goign to get a bike and sort it out ect.....

I agree with the others Max, a pro-twin would be fun, but you would be missing a load of race-craft. Helz is right too - you may be way more comfortable on a RG150. How about just getting a Hyo 250? That gives you the feel you want in a class all about race craft, where you can compare yourself well to others of your age and experience. Also you don't have to worry about licnence despensation etc and they are FAR cheaper to run. On the Pro Twin, you will be needing tyres pretty frequently - can you handle the cost of that?

Jay

[woodyracer]

I agree with the others Max, a pro-twin would be fun, but you would be missing a load of race-craft. Helz is right too - you may be way more comfortable on a RG150. How about just getting a Hyo 250? That gives you the feel you want in a class all about race craft, where you can compare yourself well to others of your age and experience. Also you don't have to worry about licnence despensation etc and they are FAR cheaper to run. On the Pro Twin, you will be needing tyres pretty frequently - can you handle the cost of that?

Jay

i guess you could be right, i was told pro-twins didnt go through tires tho??, Kens 250 is good and all but there isnt enogh of them yet.....want some close tight racing,

[k14]

well my cbr125, is gettign close to ss150 bike speed......
tui ad anyone??

[woodyracer]

tui ad anyone??

..ahha thats where your wrong..ahaha, since you can run 125gp slicks, race cams,high comp piston, racign exhaust system.....for me personly i think its a faster bike for me to ride...it handles alot better

Anyway Non of you have actualy seen me ride my cbr......its funny that........

[Ivan]

mate no one is taking it away from you guys like Jay and that have alot of experience and yes the 650 will chew tires up so be it not fast but the bigger bike a tire that has gone off can be pretty freaky they slide around plus the 650 is a very heavy bike and you dont learn as much my best learning years were streetstock and 125gp then pro twin I used as a progression not to learn how to race but how to race a bigger bike but without as much power as a 600 and now I have stepped through to 600 racing,

DOnt rush things I did and it slowed me down as you have to learn all over again how to ride and when you crash you get alot of confidence knocked, and yeah the Hyosung Pro twin 250 idea could be good as you could get used to the Hyosung for a season or so then upgrade to the 650 and have a similar chassis etc just alot more power.

DOnt rush yourself practice makes perfect and some days I still wish I was racing streetstock its a very good class for learning basic race craft

[woodyracer]

Ok, if i think im ready then im ready to give it a go, ive crashed before.......thats not new to me, That migth of been oyur best years but to be honest if my ss150 bike was the only bike i had to ride id sell it and get into gokarts......i dont enjoy riding it.

Remember, this thread didnt start with "should i geting to pro-twins" , i know oyu are jsut tryign ot be hlepful, but it seems people of KB are wrong alot...i tend to not ask "if i sohudl od soemthign" anymore....

[xr-rider]

well im just as fast as the firns when we race buckets........as i said before i dont feel comfotable on the ss150 bike......

For some reason this thread a turned into? should i go ot pro-twins?, id rather ride my cbr125 in ss150 for a whole season then on my krr...... also i cant do another season, because i cant get to manfeild to the winter series.

to me there is a big difference in buckets and ss150s. try an rg out.

[k14]

to me there is a big difference in buckets and ss150s. try an rg out.
I think you're wasting your breath, in one ear and out the other!!

[JayRacer37]

i guess you could be right, i was told pro-twins didnt go through tires tho??, Kens 250 is good and all but there isnt enogh of them yet.....want some close tight racing,

It's a class that will be coming more and more as the 150's get older. Plus, you can race well with the 150's - its good down here in the South Island at the moment.

Well, on my bike - and you have to note that I havn't got the set-up balance right yet - I am throwing a rear tyre away after around 3 races and two practices - about 40 - 50 laps and its almost showing canvas.

[Ivan]

yip and ask most people on kiwibiker who were around when I was 15 I had the exact same thought on it to.
we all want to progress but sometimes staying that bit longer is something you wont regret,

And streeststock wernt my best years but it was good learning time on the bike my best years are now in 600 supersport but I have been racing for 6 years

[woodyracer]

Yer that soudns about.., remember though with my leathers and all my gear on im 64kg........you'd be abit more, and i wont be ridng as hard as you. SS150 is huge down south, mainly because people stay in the class for years as daniel mettam said, But up hear there hardly anyone.....its not worth it to race by yourself when you are spending $100 to race.......Pro-twins/F3 are always packed..each time i look at the entrie lists they are packed....Im used to racing in races with lots of riders as i do bucket were we get 25 riders on the grid soemtimes {and thats a kart track!}

Also im being offered a pretty good deal, with a pro-twin i can race at closer tracks {so i can race more often} and i can get on a bike that i will enjoy to ride.\

-Max

[Str8 Jacket]

You do what you want Max. You obviously like learning the hard way.....

[woodyracer]

You do what you want Max. You obviously like learning the hard way.....

when have i ever learnt the "hard-way" helen?

[xr-rider]

I think you're wasting your breath, in one ear and out the other!!

seems like it. he should listen. i am of similar age to him ansd have just moved up to a 400 after to seasons on the 150. i offer advice to him so that he gets more fun out of racing and he ignores it

[woodyracer]

seems like it. he should listen. i am of similar age to him ansd have just moved up to a 400 after to seasons on the 150. i offer advice to him so that he gets more fun out of racing and he ignores it

im not ignoring you...im jsut saying, i dont want to ride ss150.....i dotn like it and i never will........id rather jsut race buckets.....

[Tyler_94]

Hay Max, i dont think dropping out of ss150 that easy is the right atitude. when i first started ss150 even after riding buckets for a while i was last in all of my races and you are already doing better than that. but its just getting out on the track and learning your bike and what you can do with it that speeds you up. we need as many riders in ss150 as we can get and the longer you keep at it the better you will be and there will be more competition! these 150s are great bikes for learning...

[onearmedbandit]

Not knocking you Max, but you're 15, and at that age you just really can't appreciate advice from others, it's not your fault. So, if you want to do the Pro Twin thing, go for it. Just don't be surprised if everything the more experienced racers say will happen does happen. I'm not being an arse, but sometimes (especially when we're young) we just have to learn by doing.

[oyster]

Yer that soudns about.., remember though with my leathers and all my gear on im 64kg........you'd be abit more, and i wont be ridng as hard as you. SS150 is huge down south, mainly because people stay in the class for years as daniel mettam said, But up hear there hardly anyone.....its not worth it to race by yourself when you are spending $100 to race.......Pro-twins/F3 are always packed..each time i look at the entrie lists they are packed....Im used to racing in races with lots of riders as i do bucket were we get 25 riders on the grid soemtimes {and thats a kart track!}

Also im being offered a pretty good deal, with a pro-twin i can race at closer tracks {so i can race more often} and i can get on a bike that i will enjoy to ride.\

-Max

Dan hasn't got that quite right, if that's what he said. The reason Streetstock is huge in the South Island
is because the clubs take the responsibility of recruiting, training and supporting youth very seriously
As a result for the last four years SS has had about 15 new riders come into the class each year, about
half would be 13 or 14 years old. So our running average age would be about 15 years old.
I know of only 4 (out of 40 plus)who have been in the class 3 years, so there is a very steady rotation.
This is also evidenced by the stats that each year it's all new people on the podiums of
Sportz Fotoz Cup, national support and other club series. I do sympathise with your problem though
as you live in Auckland, where Streetstock is a mess. That's why I think you should do the sums and
commute south. And as I said earlier, you'll soon find out who much you have to learn...

[Ivan]

If you wanna go for it go for it but be warned having more bikes isnt always a good thing if your still trying to learn. F3 is very Competitve guys like Glen Williams and that are not going slow they are flying and they are very safe but it gets alot easier for things to get alot worse if your still trying to learn how to race plus given the fact the grids are over subscribed often makes you try even harder to qualify and thats what you dont want to be pushing yourself to much if your learning like yes we all need to push but I mean over push your limits to make the cut off time

But I mean if you want to go go but be warned 60 odd kg's is pretty light im 75 in normal clothes and these things really really give me a hard time and im 6'1 the weight of these bikes is alot more than a 150

[woodyracer]

Not knocking you Max, but you're 15, and at that age you just really can't appreciate advice from others, it's not your fault. So, if you want to do the Pro Twin thing, go for it. Just don't be surprised if everything the more experienced racers say will happen does happen. I'm not being an arse, but sometimes (especially when we're young) we just have to learn by doing.

true true......im pretty keen on racign aye.....as i said im not racign a pro-twin until the road race spectacualr anywayz......ill jsut do a few track days ect....over the winter ill get used to the bike and then ill be ready to race it.

And tyler, dotn worry, i mgith do 1 or 2 vic club ss150 meetigns o nmy cbr125....good practice...