Own a White, 80's Honda Prelude? Sucks to be you! [Archive]

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StoneChucker

10th May 2005, 21:56

Especially if you live in the Waikato (I think...) The police over there are trying to investigate every owner of such a vehicle, in a murder case. One guy selling his on TradeMe got a visit from the cops, made (felt he had no choice) to sign a document saying he was a murder suspect, finger printed and DNA tested...

Hmmmmm, that seems a LITTLE harsh to me. I'd have been like "AY! Respect mah authorotai!!!" (And THEN I'd have signed, like the whimp I am :no: )

SPORK

10th May 2005, 22:46

You mean you wouldn't of hopped on your WheelThing and roden off into the sunset?

Good plan :niceone:

Waylander

10th May 2005, 22:48

Good thing I don't own a car else they might come after me and then try to tie it in to the imigrant insurance scam thing...

Flyingpony

10th May 2005, 23:12

Quoting: http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1894.php

It's in Christchurch actually.

Lou Girardin

12th May 2005, 10:29

Who would voluntarily give DNA samples?
Or is this more of the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" syndrome.

Quasievil

12th May 2005, 10:36

Eurodave

12th May 2005, 11:22

:mad: As a matter of fact The Pleece visited me 2 days ago here in Hornby, Christchurch about this very thing!!! Ive got a white '85 Prelude [as have 10s of thousands of other NZers] only thing is, mines WHITE & BLUE TWO-TONE & has BLUE RACING STRIPES as well, and yet I still got the 3rd degree!!
I very nearly made a comment ref it being about time they tried to catch bad guys instead of revenue raising, but restrained myself

spudchucka

12th May 2005, 13:32

Who would voluntarily give DNA samples?
Or is this more of the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" syndrome.
You can give a voluntary suspect elimination sample that is compared to crime scene samples and then disposed of. Samples given for this purpose are not able to be retained on a database.

spudchucka

12th May 2005, 13:34

i would give them absolutely nothing without either a court order or warrant or at least have my lawyer approve it

NZ cops have before stitched up people to close a case, I think thats a lesson for us to remember.
Dont ask for examples I have about 5, but Arthur Allen Thomas would be the one I will let you know about. the others are fairly recent.
The cops don't manage the DNA databank. It is managed by the ESR who are also the people that do the scientific analysis of all crime scene and suspect DNA samples.

http://www.esr.co.nz/
http://www.esr.co.nz/features/esr_and_dna/index.htm

Some reading if you are interested.

StoneChucker

12th May 2005, 16:57

Quoting: http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1894.php

It's in Christchurch actually.

Thanks, but did you notice my "(I think)" after Waikato? :msn-wink:
Thanks for the correction, my brain is very frazzled lately...

Lou Girardin

12th May 2005, 17:02

You can give a voluntary suspect elimination sample that is compared to crime scene samples and then disposed of. Samples given for this purpose are not able to be retained on a database.

Oh, a VSE, why didn't you say so. That's OK then. :buggerd:

Lou Girardin

12th May 2005, 17:03

The cops don't manage the DNA databank. It is managed by the ESR who are also the people that do the scientific analysis of all crime scene and suspect DNA samples.

http://www.esr.co.nz/
http://www.esr.co.nz/features/esr_and_dna/index.htm

Some reading if you are interested.

I trust them too, just like David Dougherty does.

Ixion

12th May 2005, 17:06

StoneChucker

12th May 2005, 17:26

Look, you all know my feelings on the police/ESR, I have nothing against them at all. I would however be very hesitant in giving a DNA sample (UNLESS it was to a fine female officer, in a private setting :msn-wink: ) whether they said it would be retained or not.

It wouldn't suprise me if it was found in the future, that VSE's were infact being kept on record... And, I really do have nothing to hide, but it's the principle.

I also disagree with them intimidating people into giving in to what they want. Even with my current feelings, I think that the police could scare me into giving samples if they said the right things - which is wrong :wait:

spudchucka

12th May 2005, 20:23

I trust them too, just like David Dougherty does.
DNA evidence exonerated him, it didn't convict him. I would think that Mr Dougherty has every reason to feel extremely grateful to the ESR and to the general development of DNA forensic science.

spudchucka

12th May 2005, 20:25

Personally I wouldn't trust the ESR to test for alcohol in a brewery.
Care to explain why?

Ixion

12th May 2005, 21:20

Care to explain why?

Used to work in the pharmaceutical industry. Health department have regular sampling/testing programs whereby all sorts of stuff is tested by the ESR. The results then get sent to the company involved with a "please comment". Far far too often the ESR results were just dodgy, or dead wrong. When they didn't agree with our internal results, we'd redo ours, then have an independant third party lab do the tests. If they agreed with us we'd dispute the ESR results. The HD would then have yet another third party lab redo it (often in Australia). Nine out of ten times,at least, we were right ESR was wrong. Just happened far too often.

Ixion

12th May 2005, 21:22

DNA evidence exonerated him, it didn't convict him. I would think that Mr Dougherty has every reason to feel extremely grateful to the ESR and to the general development of DNA forensic science.

IIRC it wasn't the ESR that exonerated him. They held to their original opinion till the end. It was independant testing that showed they were wrong.

Hitcher

12th May 2005, 21:33

One night farmer Brown,
Was takin' the airs,
Locked up the barnyard
With the greatest of care
Down in the henhouse
Somethin' stirred
When he shouted "Who's there?"
This is what he heard:

There ain't nobody here but us chickens
There ain't nobody here at all
So calm yourself,
And stop your fuss
There ain't nobody here but us
We chickens tryin' to sleep,
And you butt in
And hobble, hobble hobble hobble
With your chin

There ain't nobody here but us chickens
There ain't nobody here at all
You're stompin' around
And shakin' the ground,
You're kickin' up an awful dust
We chicken's tryin' to sleep
And you butt in
And hobble, hobble hobble hobble
It's a sin

Tomorrow
Is a busy day
We got things to do
We got eggs to lay
We got ground to dig
And worms to scratch
It takes a lot of settin'
Gettin' chicks to hatch

There ain't nobody here but us chickens
There ain't nobody here at all
So quiet yourself,
And stop your fuss
There ain't nobody here but us
Kindly point that gun,
The other way
And hobble, hobble hobble off and
Hit the hay

Tomorrow
Is a busy day
We got things to do
We got eggs to lay
We got ground to dig
And worms to scratch
It takes a lot of settin'
Gettin' chicks to hatch

There ain't nobody here but us chickens
There ain't nobody here at all
So quiet yourself,
And stop your fuss
There ain't nobody here but us
Kindly point that gun,
The other way
And hobble, hobble hobble off and
Hit the hay

"Hey boss man
What do ya say?"

It's easy pickens,
Ain't nobody here but us chickens

Lou Girardin

13th May 2005, 08:23

DNA evidence exonerated him, it didn't convict him. I would think that Mr Dougherty has every reason to feel extremely grateful to the ESR and to the general development of DNA forensic science.

Oh come on Spud, it was shonky DNA interpretation that sank the poor sod in the first place.
It was then only independant analysis that showed up the piss poor work done by the ESR 'scientist'.
He served three years in jail because she identified too closely with the prosecution on the case.