SV 650 race bikes

[crazy man]

all sv 650 bikes" pro twins" should of been left standard for racing. meant to be a starting class not one to spend lots of money on! thay went well in tim gibs competition years ago

[quickbuck]

Okay,
Each it entitled to his opinion, and I won't think anything less of you for speaking your mind....

However, the "Codgyoldracer" challenging for the lead (or is he defending it) in the F3 Nationals will beg to differ for one...

Yes, there has been a bit of a mess made with the F3 rules, BUT it is supposed to promote development.
In godzone it is a little dictated by the manufacturers releasing bikes of different sizes (or importing models of bike) to what they did 20 years ago...

So, the SV got shoehorned into another class of racing....
Just my take on it...

[crazy man]

sorry talking about the pro twins

[quickbuck]

sorry talking about the pro twins

Okay, yeah...
Unsure how the rules have deviated since Tim Gibbs set up the class...
See there was no such thing when I used to be involved, then I went away for a while, came back, and they are what I see today...

I guess some changes were made to save costs, some made to improve performance, and some were made because the rules were simply too hard to enforce...
Don't know the full story...

[Pussy]

The suspension (particularly forks) on SV650s and ER6s is SHITE
The restrictions for Pro Twins are many.

[ryanf062]

I agree that they should have been left standard because if that was the case i would more than likely be racing protwins by now but knowing that once i buy a bike im going to be spending thousands of dollars makeing it competitive kinda puts me off at this point.

[crazy man]

well thay could do 1 . 16.5 in the year 2000 at manfield with not the best riders with stock suspension so cannot be the bad!

[woodyracer]

Pro twisn shoudl be pretty mcuh stock.....like just tires, rear sets, and a new exhaust system, also with the bike stripped down, so if oyu want to race a modded 650 you jsut go to F3, ohlins shocks and stuff are jsut too mcuh....

[Billy]

Okay, yeah...
Unsure how the rules have deviated since Tim Gibbs set up the class...
See there was no such thing when I used to be involved, then I went away for a while, came back, and they are what I see today...

I guess some changes were made to save costs, some made to improve performance, and some were made because the rules were simply too hard to enforce...
Don't know the full story...

Tim Gibbes never started the class,He had a rent a racer class with a surplus shipment of SVs supplied by Suzuki NZ,Cost was $500.00 per round or $3500.00 for the full series if I remember correctly(6 rounds).Funny thing was it ceased because only a few people took up the offer.

The Pro Twins class was introduced by MNZ and is currently in its 3rd year and yes your bang on the mark,It should most definitely have been a production class.

All this talk of bikes handling like shit and you cant race them is just plain bullshit,They race lawnmowers FFS and Ill bet you a penny for a pinch of dogshit,A standard SV650 would easily outhandle the twin shock TZ250b I rode back in 78 or any of the aircooled RDs and on and on it goes

[quickbuck]

Okay,
Thanks for that Billy... You learn something every day...

I'm a little more learned now.
Cheers.

[woodyracer]

Tim Gibbes never started the class,He had a rent a racer class with a surplus shipment of SVs supplied by Suzuki NZ,Cost was $500.00 per round or $3500.00 for the full series if I remember correctly(6 rounds).Funny thing was it ceased because only a few people took up the offer.

The Pro Twins class was introduced by MNZ and is currently in its 3rd year and yes your bang on the mark,It should most definitely have been a production class.

All this talk of bikes handling like shit and you cant race them is just plain bullshit,They race lawnmowers FFS and Ill bet you a penny for a pinch of dogshit,A standard SV650 would easily outhandle the twin shock TZ250b I rode back in 78 or any of the aircooled RDs and on and on it goes

with youo n that one.........they would go great, the problem is people are obsessed with making them faster......

Leave the pro twins ones stock, and leave the modded ones to F3....

[Ivan]

Pro Twins arenot that bad I have one and it has everything in the rules and is for sale for 5500 so you dont have to go out and buy one and spend the money building one up as there usally are a couple up for sale at any one time,

I like the class as it is and the fact you have guys like Geoff Booth and that clearing off is because they are extremly good riders

[FROSTY]

my issue with pro twins AS IT STANDS is that it has had the effect of diluting the F3 feild.
6 PT and 6 F3 WOULD have meant a feild of 12 F3 bikes.

I argued from DAY1 that the PT rules get the bikes within spitting distance of F3 performance and handling wise.
My view is and always has been that a PT should LOOK like a factory bike(yes glass copies shoild be available for the plastics) and engine/exhaust mods should be ZERO with the simple exception of a replacement exhaust CAN. That the bike should WEIGH the same as a factory bike.
Then again I argued that a simple horsepower limit was all that was needed

I do think the suspenders should be allowed LIMITED modification or The $500 buyout rule should be applied

[crazyhorse]

Heard they are using Hyabusa parts - I think their pistons.

I believe they should be stock standard - makes it bike against bike, not who has more money and can afford to put the goodies on it in order to have that advantage to win over others :done:

[codgyoleracer]

Tim Gibbes never started the class,He had a rent a racer class with a surplus shipment of SVs supplied by Suzuki NZ,Cost was $500.00 per round or $3500.00 for the full series if I remember correctly(6 rounds).Funny thing was it ceased because only a few people took up the offer.

The Pro Twins class was introduced by MNZ and is currently in its 3rd year and yes your bang on the mark,It should most definitely have been a production class.

All this talk of bikes handling like shit and you cant race them is just plain bullshit,They race lawnmowers FFS and Ill bet you a penny for a pinch of dogshit,A standard SV650 would easily outhandle the twin shock TZ250b I rode back in 78 or any of the aircooled RDs and on and on it goes

What he said

[svs]

Heard they are using Hyabusa parts - I think their pistons.



If anyone is, then that is against the rules. Protest them. Rules explicitly states "All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturers remain fitted and operational for that homologated model."

Read the whole lot if you want. http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Appendix_F_650_ProTwin.pdf The list of what you can actually change is pretty small and done so for cost/safety reasons

[crazyhorse]

If anyone is, then that is against the rules. Protest them. Rules explicitly states "All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturers remain fitted and operational for that homologated model."

Read the whole lot if you want. http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Appendix_F_650_ProTwin.pdf The list of what you can actually change is pretty small and done so for cost/safety reasons
No need to shoot the messenger.... twas only what I had heard - thought about doing some mods to my SV prior to me selling it of course.

[discodan]

If anyone is, then that is against the rules. Protest them. Rules explicitly states "All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturers remain fitted and operational for that homologated model."

Read the whole lot if you want. http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Appendix_F_650_ProTwin.pdf The list of what you can actually change is pretty small and done so for cost/safety reasons

I am relatively new to the race scene but I have never heard of any protests being upheld. Protesting seems to be a taboo subject in NZ compared to overseas where the top three finishers may get thier bike checked regardless.

Obviously some measures would not be practical given the size of the sport here but the rules do seem a bit lax in my opinion.

[neil_cb125t]

Protests do happen - and can be upheld if found that a machine was not to spec - anyone can make one - all you have to do is pay the fee and away you go, forever hated by someone. There was at least one protest last year - but i don't know the details to be able to say" he did this" .. they are taken seriously and should always be...

just dont run new fairings on a posties bike - they make you bike go so much faster NOT but its not worth it..;-)

[JayRacer37]

Pro Twins is cluckin darn cheap racing - I'm running a 600 and a PT this year, and I know which one i'd rather be funding myself...to bad its the other way around.

The PT rules arn't bad - they're not fantastic by any strech of the imagination but as it stands you can get a bike from any of the manufacturers' (that make a 650 Twin) close to competitive in the field. And they are certainly the only medium-to-large bike class in the country you could buy a bike for under $10k and go win in. Want cheaper? Get a 250 Pro Lite bike. Racier? 125GP.

I reckon scrap F3 and make it PT only - that'll help get the numbers up :corn:

[crazy man]

Pro Twins is cluckin darn cheap racing - I'm running a 600 and a PT this year, and I know which one i'd rather be funding myself...to bad its the other way around.

The PT rules arn't bad - they're not fantastic by any strech of the imagination but as it stands you can get a bike from any of the manufacturers' (that make a 650 Twin) close to competitive in the field. And they are certainly the only medium-to-large bike class in the country you could buy a bike for under $10k and go win in. Want cheaper? Get a 250 Pro Lite bike. Racier? 125GP.

I reckon scrap F3 and make it PT only - that'll help get the numbers up :corn:that all good when you get sponserd a bike lol

[squarewheels]

Pro Twins is cluckin darn cheap racing - I'm running a 600 and a PT this year, and I know which one i'd rather be funding myself...to bad its the other way around.

The PT rules arn't bad - they're not fantastic by any strech of the imagination but as it stands you can get a bike from any of the manufacturers' (that make a 650 Twin) close to competitive in the field. And they are certainly the only medium-to-large bike class in the country you could buy a bike for under $10k and go win in. Want cheaper? Get a 250 Pro Lite bike. Racier? 125GP.

I reckon scrap F3 and make it PT only - that'll help get the numbers up :corn:


that all good when you get sponserd a bike lol

First "crazy man" can I say, I don't know Jay at all but good on him it's good to see a racer of his class racing pro twins. It can only help to improve the class and I dear say he has worked extremely hard and deserves the ride.

Now let me put my two cent's worth forward, not that I have a lot of experience or credentials to comment compared to others that have added their comments. Also most people that has contributed to this thread have some valid points.
My back ground I spent a season racing a ss150 in the pacific series at Taupo had a blast, thanks chappy for some great racing. I'm 95kg and 6 foot 3 but still had a ball . Since then I haven't raced, life got in the way. So with a lot of work, hard saving and not much else I scraped together enough to buy a bike with a limited budget. Spending a fair amount of time and bugging many people, I made the decision to purchase a pro twin race bike .
Yes Pro twins could have remained a stock class and certainly I was on that side of the argument. But what I see now is a class with limited mods that is still cheap to run. Guy's that I talked to, some who finished in the top 3 if not front of their class were doing so on tyres 5-6 race meetings old, in my mind thats cheap racing. I think a lot can be said for rider skill over bike.
What I like is that for under 10K I have a bike that I can race, clean and put back in the shed ready for the next race, as long as I don't go cross country and is relatively cheap to run, compared to the fun that can be had.
When I was looking to purchase a bike I noticed a fair few pro twins for sale well set up for under 10K, another thing of the subject I noticed was at the three South Island there were more pro twin bikes in the "clubmans " class than "F3 Pro Twins", so I assume that there plenty of bikes out there already.

Cheers

[JayRacer37]

that all good when you get sponserd a bike lol

Yeah, but it's still a cheap class to buy a bike for or build one up - and i'm still running the bike too.


First "crazy man" can I say, I don't know Jay at all but good on him it's good to see a racer of his class racing pro twins. It can only help to improve the class and I dear say he has worked extremely hard and deserves the ride.

Now let me put my two cent's worth forward, not that I have a lot of experience or credentials to comment compared to others that have added their comments. Also most people that has contributed to this thread have some valid points.
My back ground I spent a season racing a ss150 in the pacific series at Taupo had a blast, thanks chappy for some great racing. I'm 95kg and 6 foot 3 but still had a ball . Since then I haven't raced, life got in the way. So with a lot of work, hard saving and not much else I scraped together enough to buy a bike with a limited budget. Spending a fair amount of time and bugging many people, I made the decision to purchase a pro twin race bike .
Yes Pro twins could have remained a stock class and certainly I was on that side of the argument. But what I see now is a class with limited mods that is still cheap to run. Guy's that I talked to, some who finished in the top 3 if not front of their class were doing so on tyres 5-6 race meetings old, in my mind thats cheap racing. I think a lot can be said for rider skill over bike.
What I like is that for under 10K I have a bike that I can race, clean and put back in the shed ready for the next race, as long as I don't go cross country and is relatively cheap to run, compared to the fun that can be had.
When I was looking to purchase a bike I noticed a fair few pro twins for sale well set up for under 10K, another thing of the subject I noticed was at the three South Island there were more pro twin bikes in the "clubmans " class than "F3 Pro Twins", so I assume that there plenty of bikes out there already.

Cheers

Wot he sed! :yeah: 650PT definitly cheaper to get compeditive in than F3...