Why do you travel at the speed limit?

[cowboyz]

This a thread for those who travel at the speed limit. What are you reasons for doing so?

I have a theory. Ill reveal if I am right after.

[spookytooth]

5 demerts left

[JimO]

because if you go over the sped limit even by 1k you will die a horrible death

[Bald Eagle]

Civil responsibility and the financial cost of non compliance.

[neels]

I already pay enough tax, no point putting more into their bucket than I need to.

And it's speed that kills, not people driving like complete muppets.

[Pascal]

This a thread for those who travel at the speed limit. What are you reasons for doing so?

Because I agree to live in this society and abide by it's rules, no matter how silly they might seem.

[vifferman]

I try to drive or ride at about 8km/h over the limit.

[SlashWylde]

Various reasons:

Not wishing to unduly increase the risks I face as a motorcyclist by exceeding the posted speed limit for a given stretch of road - i.e. it's a law and is there for good reason.
Civil responsibility to not increase the risk to others through my own actions.
I don't want to be financially penalised for breaking the rules.

[rainman]

This a thread for those who travel at the speed limit. What are you reasons for doing so?

Not in a hurry. On the open road I actually like seeing what I'm riding past. My cruiser doesn't do a helluva lot more than the open road limit anyway. Not a big adrenaline junkie either, I'm old enough to have little to prove. Oh, and lack of required mad skillz to be able to take every corner at 240.


Because I agree to live in this society and abide by it's rules, no matter how silly they might seem.

When did you agree to that?

[Pascal]

When did you agree to that?

When I moved here about 9 or 10 years ago. It was a voluntary choice, not enforced by birth in the country. But the same would apply if I chose to stay in the country of my birth. You choose to live in a society you choose to obey the rules. If you want them changed well, we live in a democracy. There are ways to do so if you want.

[CookMySock]

Coz if I speed, my gf on the back has to concentrate on the road, and doesn't have time to let her mind wander on, um, other things. ;)

Steve

[CookMySock]

You choose to live in a society you choose to obey the rules. If you want them changed well, we live in a democracy. There are ways to do so if you want.LOL serious?

Steve

[onearmedbandit]

I travel at the speed limit. For a brief second. In first gear.

Nah, ok seriously, sometimes I do stick to the limit. Reasons would be, I don't need to speed all the time, be it 102km/h or 202km/h. Also, a lot of the times the conditions call for the speed limit, or even less. That's about it. I don't ride at 100 for fear of losing my license or getting a fine, if that was the case I'd never speed (how can you pick a time and place where you won't have the chance of seeing a cop on the road?).

[avgas]

Because I am not a little punk any-more. I grew up.
I even drive a diesel now.

[<G>]

I'm law-abiding, I don't want to give the govt any more money than I have to, and I have nothing to prove - oh the joys of having very little testosterone ;).

[Pascal]

Coz if I speed, my gf on the back has to concentrate on the road, and doesn't have time to let her mind wander on, um, other things. ;)

At the risk of a vanilla and chocolate sprinkle laden froth, you could always deflate her and put her in the saddle bags.


LOL serious?

Yes, very much so. The power in a democracy lies in the hands of individuals. If we, as the stewards of this nation, choose to live under a set of rules that chafe we have nobody to blame but ourselves as it is as simple as our votes to make the changes we desire. Of course that hinges on having sufficient people agree with that viewpoint and desire the change to make it happen.

[CookMySock]

Yes, very much so. The power in a democracy lies in the hands of individuals. If we, as the stewards of this nation, choose to live under a set of rules that chafe we have nobody to blame but ourselves as it is as simple as our votes to make the changes we desire. Of course that hinges on having sufficient people agree with that viewpoint and desire the change to make it happen.Haha, you can stay. :sunny:

Life is so much easier and more amusing with people like you around. It's just so easy to just do whatever I like, while you are preoccupied with pulling your rulebook out of your pocket. LOL. Funny! :Punk:

Steve

[avgas]

Yes, very much so. The power in a democracy lies in the hands of individuals. If we, as the stewards of this nation, choose to live under a set of rules that chafe we have nobody to blame but ourselves as it is as simple as our votes to make the changes we desire. Of course that hinges on having sufficient people agree with that viewpoint and desire the change to make it happen.
You mean like what Stalin and Mao did??????

[Pascal]

You mean like what Stalin and Mao did??????

Do you know what a democracy is?

[avgas]

Do you know what a democracy is?
Yes - but I think your a little confused.
Democracy means your vote is just as useless as everyone else. Not any more important than anyone elses.
What you described is a revolution..........

[BoristheBiter]

all of the above

[Pascal]

Yes - but I think your a little confused.
Democracy means your vote is just as useless as everyone else. Not any more important than anyone elses.
What you described is a revolution..........

No, I'm not confused. I just understand what these words mean:

"as it is as simple as our votes to make the changes we desire. Of course that hinges on having sufficient people agree with that viewpoint and desire the change to make it happen"

You understand that communicating and swaying public opinion one way could lead to a change in voting behavior? And that is very different from a dictator siezing power?

[Grubber]

Bugger!! i'm not smart enough to join this thread yet...

[steve_t]

Democracy is doomed to failure as at some point, the ignorant will outnumber the rest ;)

[slofox]

because if you go over the sped limit even by 1k you will die a horrible death

Wot 'e said...usually involving boulders falling from the sky or spontaneous combustion...

[steve_t]

Wot 'e said...usually involving boulders falling from the sky or spontaneous combustion...

Thought it was fire, brimstone and sheep? :laugh:

[slofox]

Thought it was fire, brimstone and sheep? :laugh:

Oh yeah - forgot about the sheep...

[Cayman911]

Sometimes its fun to lay back and cruise. so some people who are traveling at the speed limit or lower. are probably doing it subconsciously

[Smifffy]

a. So that I have more time to throw up a big cheery wave
b. More tickets would seriously impact my insurance cover
c. I'd rather ride than stop & talk to cops
d. I'd rather use the funds to buy chrome polish than pay infringement fees

Mostly its the waving. :)

[BoristheBiter]

Oh yeah - forgot about the sheep...

it always those bloody sheep?
noone ever expects the sheep

[crazyhorse]

Oh yeah - forgot about the sheep...

sheep??? sounds kinky. speaking of animals, how is James Deuce???? Well, not saying he is an animal, but well, hey, you know what I mean.... oops wrong thread for that one too :rofl:

[breakaway]

Because the pigs will stop and fine me if I don't

And while they're at it they might fabricate some bullshit allegation which I have to spends months fighting.

[KelvinAng]

Democracy is doomed to failure as at some point, the ignorant will outnumber the rest ;)

I'm assuming that this "some point" is actually some point in the past. What you described seem to have already happened ;)

[avgas]

You understand that communicating and swaying public opinion one way could lead to a change in voting behavior? And that is very different from a dictator siezing power?
Yep - but you do remember how the dictators got there in the first place.

[Pascal]

Yep - but you do remember how the dictators got there in the first place.

Sure, but if you are alluding that using your options as a member of democracy to affect changes to laws, etc. is equivalent to being a dictator, you're a bit fucking off mate.

[avgas]

Sure, but if you are alluding that using your options as a member of democracy to affect changes to laws, etc. is equivalent to being a dictator, you're a bit fucking off mate.
Says the person trying to change the world by influencing others vote to make his opinion the most important.
So how much is just your vote worth?

[Swoop]

...they might fabricate some bullshit allegation which I have to spends months fighting.
As if they would do such a thing!

[Big Dave]

I'm not saying nuffink, but I'm bustin' to hear the theory.

[Ferkletastic]

I'm not saying nuffink, but I'm bustin' to hear the theory.

I'm guessing it's: "I bet if I post a speeding thread it'll degenerate into dick waving and irrelevant arguing before the end of page 2"

Just a guess mind.

[avgas]

I'm not saying nuffink, but I'm bustin' to hear the theory.
Yes tell us the theory man!

[avgas]

I'm guessing it's: "I bet if I post a speeding thread it'll degenerate into dick waving and irrelevant arguing before the end of page 2"
Just a guess mind.
If that's the case I want to change my answer - I do 300kph everywhere including town and I have a tiny penis

[cowboyz]

right.. heres my theory.. (I had to sleep ya know.. )

we commision those who make laws to make soceity a safe palce to live in and they commision enforcers to ensure that safety.

Now most of the replies (minus the pisstakes.. it is kb afterall) do not contribute the staying at the speed limit to a safety issue. More of a penalty issue.

so is the speed limit too low? Are drivers overconfident?

[TerminalAddict]

the speed limit is not too low.

a large portion of vehicle users struggle at 100 kph.
Our roads are designed by the same people who brought you snakes and ladders (thanks to our mountains .. not the people)

and our roads versus our driving / riding ability could not cope with an increase.

present company excluded of course :whistle:

[onearmedbandit]

Safety of other road users and the general public is commonsense (for most), that doesn't however dictate how I view the current open road speed limits. If the road is empty, there is good visibility, 120km/h could be perfectly fine. If however, there was say a couple of people (children or adults) riding horses on the side of that same road, I'll slow right down and pass them carefully, for their safety and mine. Once they're gone though, I'll get back up to a speed I (yes I'm being arrogant) consider safe. And that might not be 100km/h. If I get ticketed up the road, so be it. But at least I didn't endanger anyone's life.

That's not to say I have never endangered anyone's life on the road. I'm not perfect, I'm not a saint. But I'm also not a liar.

[cmoore]

whilst i agree most people relate why they don't speed to the law, or breaking of the law, we probably skip past the given assumption that the law is there for our safety and therefore we don't need to mention it...hence the reason we don't speed is to prevent getting fined for being unsafe.....in reality we all speed because we all use the 10k given by the police as a buffer...my argument re this issue is...if you don't get a ticket for doing 9kph over the posted limit....why when you do 11km over do you get a 11kph over fine.....

[dogsnbikes]

Its a performance issue......from my corner, meaning the sports bike doesn't start enjoying the road's until you hit that 120kph mark(thats about 3500rpm)...as for the 250 100 is its limit:innocent: the 750 110-120max missus on the back

As for the speed limit being too low??it is for some of the roads we have but for alot of our roads its about right...they would rather keep building shit roads so they can keep the speed limit down,just my thoughts:shutup:

[Maha]

right.. heres my theory.. (I had to sleep ya know.. )

we commision those who make laws to make soceity a safe palce to live in and they commision enforcers to ensure that safety.

Now most of the replies (minus the pisstakes.. it is kb afterall) do not contribute the staying at the speed limit to a safety issue. More of a penalty issue.

so is the speed limit too low? Are drivers overconfident?

Any speed on the open road is not a safe speed. Anything under 100kph is considered dangerous for the open road and anything over 100khp sameo'.
100kph is also a dangerous speed on the open road, you can easily fall asleep at that speed causing manic mayham for those around you.

[Toaster]

5 demerts left

Maybe we can trade them like carbon credits?!

[Toaster]

it always those bloody sheep?
noone ever expects the sheep

Damn woolly road-terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Toaster]

Riding at the speed limit around corners is the fun bit.

As for the open straights.... well the other 5 gears need an occasional visit don't they!

[BoristheBiter]

Maybe we can trade them like carbon credits?!

i don't want carbon credits but you can have my demerts

[slofox]

noone ever expects the sheep

I certainly didn't expect the one I ran into a while back...

[avgas]

whilst i agree most people relate why they don't speed to the law, or breaking of the law, we probably skip past the given assumption that the law is there for our safety and therefore we don't need to mention it...hence the reason we don't speed is to prevent getting fined for being unsafe.....in reality we all speed because we all use the 10k given by the police as a buffer...my argument re this issue is...if you don't get a ticket for doing 9kph over the posted limit....why when you do 11km over do you get a 11kph over fine.....
Because you are penalised to the point you stepped over the law. Not where the hysteresis of the law is observed.
Think of it like playing with knives, you can push a knife quite hard on the skin, but when it breaks the skin - you skin returns to the 'normal level' and the knife will cut as deep as the breaking point was when the surface changed.

[Mikkel]

I can't be arsed worrying about the cops any more - really I can't - I usually cruise at an indicated 10 km/h above the speed limit. That puts my speed somewhere in the 0-9 km/h above the limit. I do speed up for the occasional corner, to pass or if I let my sensibilities flounder for a second or two. I always keep two things in mind though: time and place!


Because I agree to live in this society and abide by it's rules, no matter how silly they might seem.

BAH BAH BAH BAH.


Yes, very much so. The power in a democracy lies in the hands of individuals. If we, as the stewards of this nation, choose to live under a set of rules that chafe we have nobody to blame but ourselves as it is as simple as our votes to make the changes we desire. Of course that hinges on having sufficient people agree with that viewpoint and desire the change to make it happen.

Stewards of this nation? Unless you are a publicly elected member of parliament you are not a steward of this nation, you are just a pleb. What a load of bullshit.

You write "If we ... choose to live under a set of rules that chafe we have nobody to blame but ourselves" while at the same time claiming that you adhere to the speed limit "Because I agree to live in this society and abide by it's rules, no matter how silly they might seem.". Seems you are the one who's gotten all mixed up here, not avgas.
Not adhering to the speed limit, when it is silly, is choosing not to "live under a set of rules that chafe".

The strength of democrazy disappears when the individual citizen becomes indifferent towards the situation of his/her fellow citizens and only cares for his/her own situation!


Its a performance issue......from my corner, meaning the sports bike doesn't start enjoying the road's until you hit that 120kph mark(thats about 3500rpm)...as for the 250 100 is its limit:innocent: the 750 110-120max missus on the back

Damn, you should get your money back - my bike came with 6 gears... (Haven't heard of a bike doing 120 km/h @ 3,500 RPM in first gear - maybe the boss hoss, dunno.)

[sunhuntin]

Because I am not a little punk any-more. I grew up.

i never was a punk, lol. i ride at the speed limit cos im basically a goody two shoes. im not above "speeding" if overtaking, but certainly not to the speeds ive seen on here. mainly cos the bike wont allow it, but even when i had the 500, i very rarely went over 110k.

my brother was in an accident after speeding in his car in a 50k zone. i saw what that did to my parents, and i saw what my accident did to them. i dont wish that on anyone, so i am trying to spare them furthur anguish.

[CRF119]

What speed limit........... i didnt think there was a limit for bikes............ i could be mistaken :innocent:

[avgas]

i never was a punk, lol. i ride at the speed limit cos im basically a goody two shoes.
Oh you missed some good times. I miss the bad ass days - when I was bullet-proof.
I could tell you exact speeds I got the bikes up to. That was the main reason I got the first GB to be honest. I needed a bike that was hard to lose my license on - with a top speed of 150kph, the GB was perfect.
Didn't mean to say I didn't just about kill myself on that bike. It did see 150 quite often.
Bloody thing put me in hospital, and its true what they say - bigger they are, harder they fall....at the time my ego was huge.
So yeah, I was a punk, then I grew up and realise I was going to miss a big part of my life. Even if it means riding/driving at said speed limit 95% of time.

[avgas]

What speed limit........... i didnt think there was a limit for bikes............ i could be mistaken :innocent:
There is - its the speed of sound.
How do you like the sound of bones breaking?

[CRF119]

There is - its the speed of sound.
How do you like the sound of bones breaking?

I thought the speed of light was faster.

Ive been more hurt from doing silly things like kite surfing then i have on a road bike.

200km/h on the road is safter then 120km/h on a dirt bike between 1.5m spaced pine trees!

Each to there own.

[avgas]

I thought the speed of light was faster.

Ive been more hurt from doing silly things like kite surfing then i have on a road bike.

200km/h on the road is safter then 120km/h on a dirt bike between 1.5m spaced pine trees!

Each to there own.
Very true. I was merly making a generalisation. Regardless of an actual speed - crossing your own personal limit usually ends in pain

[mattian]

I travel at the same speed as the flow of traffic. Sometimes that might be a little faster than the speed limit, sometimes it might be a little slower.

[CRF119]

I was merly making a generalisation. Regardless of an actual speed - crossing your own personal limit usually ends in pain

Your not wrong there! and thats why i think in the long run a bit of speeding can help with bike control and confidence many crashes are due to second guessing your decsion weather pulling from a intersection or standing a bike up mid corner.

Live and learn and hopefully what you have lernt will one day help keep you alive or of the side walk.

[Squiggles]

Comfortable cruising speed for me is usually around 95, just the right amount of buffeting and vibration

[Big Dave]

Underpinning the BD speed limit system is an intelligence and EQ test, with a higher education quotient.

If it turns out you are essentially stupid - incapable of making informed decisions, you can never drive fast and remain at stage one till you get a fucking clue, loose the acne, or get pubic hair.

If you are smarter than a Turnip, proceed to stage two, where training, qualifications, experience, rigorous testing and advanced courses are taken into consideration - satisfactory compliance means you can legally drive faster than the turnips, because you have a brain, training and will make suitable decisions.

Stage three accounts for the vehicle. If you have a state of the art vehicle maintained in the peak of condition and have satisfied the requirements of stage two - proceed to stage three.

If you are driving a 1976 Tarago that hasn't had the brakes checked for 5 years - rejoin the Turnips pace.

Turnips failing to comply with speed limits will be electrocuted by a GPS linked device in the steering wheel until they slow down.

Stages two and three are self governing.

[george formby]

Apart from reasons already stated, my conscience keeps me legal / sensible, same reason I will not touch a skerrick of alcohol if I have to ride. If I had an accident & a another person was hurt because of my speed then I'm not sure how I could live with that. I do have a squirt now & again but only when I have the ideal conditions to link a bend or two together at a nice if possibly illegal pace.

[PrincessBandit]

I ride above the speed limit because my speedo reads about 7 -8 kph higher than the GPS. So I'm really only riding to the speed limit most of the time despite what the digital display says.

I find that 110 - 115 displayed is just a comfy speed to cruise at unless the weather/road conditions/my mental state are not up to par, in which case I adjust accordingly.

Actually delete the word "cruise" as that sounds like I should ride something else. Insert "float" instead.

[Smifffy]

I found myself going at somewhat excessive speed momentarily this afternoon. Bike goes much quicker without the Moll on the back :rofl:

[Pascal]

Says the person trying to change the world by influencing others vote to make his opinion the most important.
So how much is just your vote worth?

I think you have a reading or perhaps a comprehension disability. I said if you are unhappy with anything in a democracy, your vote and the votes of others is the way to change it, not simply ignoring the laws. There is nothing about making your opinion the most important.

And how much is my vote worth? This is a democracy. A lot.


Stewards of this nation? Unless you are a publicly elected member of parliament you are not a steward of this nation, you are just a pleb. What a load of bullshit.

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Not adhering to the speed limit, when it is silly, is choosing not to "live under a set of rules that chafe".

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The strength of democrazy disappears when the individual citizen becomes indifferent towards the situation of his/her fellow citizens and only cares for his/her own situation!

So people can randomly choose, depending on what they prefer, to break the laws of the society they live in because they personally think it is silly?

You make your own choices in this world mate, mine is to live within the law. No matter how small or how big it is. If I think a law is silly, I'll follow the proper process. Which means working through my local MP, writing to the government, agitating for the change and raising public awareness of it and, eventually, casting my vote in favour of the party that will push for that change. The true strength of a democracy lies in our power to control our own lives and that of our nation. Of bloody course we are stewards of this nation. Those politicians are there only because WE elected them. They work for us.

So just a pleb? It is my vote and your vote and Avgas and everybody else here's votes that determine the direction this country goes into.

If, for example, the increased ACC levies are too high for us and the majority of others to swallow, we'll vote the bloody National government out and vote a government in to remove that. That is damn powerful, in my opinion.

Don't undervalue what you have.

[huff3r]

right.. heres my theory.. (I had to sleep ya know.. )

we commision those who make laws to make soceity a safe palce to live in and they commision enforcers to ensure that safety.

Now most of the replies (minus the pisstakes.. it is kb afterall) do not contribute the staying at the speed limit to a safety issue. More of a penalty issue.

so is the speed limit too low? Are drivers overconfident?

There are quite a few drivers/riders who would not feel comfortable with travelling at a higher speed, and even some who would be downright dangerous. So why should this affect us? Surely they can travel at their slow pace whilst we speed off into the sunset? Nope.

The reason being there have been several studies which have proven that one of the biggest dangers on the road is "Speed Differential", i.e vehicles travelling at different speeds to one another. Remember the fear of travelling at 70kph on your learners? Now imagine travelling at 100kph and being passed by the same twats that gave you no space on your learners, except this time they are doing 200kph and are even more dangerous, some might be able to handle the speed, but im sure many wouldnt but would attempt it all the same.

It was for this very reason that the speed limit for trailers was raised from 80kph to 90kph, to bring them more inline with the speeds the rest of the traffic was doing.

(Dad works for health and safety :lol: )

[Mikkel]

So people can randomly choose, depending on what they prefer, to break the laws of the society they live in because they personally think it is silly?

You sure as hell can not prevent people from doing what they want - not in a free country. You can legally punish certain behaviour, but that is a different matter altogether.


You make your own choices in this world mate, mine is to live within the law. No matter how small or how big it is. If I think a law is silly, I'll follow the proper process. Which means working through my local MP, writing to the government, agitating for the change and raising public awareness of it and, eventually, casting my vote in favour of the party that will push for that change. The true strength of a democracy lies in our power to control our own lives and that of our nation. Of bloody course we are stewards of this nation. Those politicians are there only because WE elected them. They work for us.

BAH BAH BAH BAH BAH

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So just a pleb? It is my vote and your vote and Avgas and everybody else here's votes that determine the direction this country goes into.

You just keep telling yourself that, you'll still just be a pleb - albeit one who suffers from delusions of grandeur.


If, for example, the increased ACC levies are too high for us and the majority of others to swallow, we'll vote the bloody National government out and vote a government in to remove that. That is damn powerful, in my opinion.

Yeah right! Like that would ever happen. Can you refer to any single instance where a levy has been reduced once it has been enacted?

Sure, the opposition will be clapping in their little hands with each and every unpopular step that the current government is taking. I won't be putting my money on them actually reversing any of these step once back in power.


Don't undervalue what you have.

Indeed we shouldn't. Neither should we stop being critical of what's being done and how. Being indifferent - e.g. accepting the law without due consideration - will slowly but surely allow power/money/influence to become concentrated within narrower and narrower groups.

[JMemonic]

right.. heres my theory.. (I had to sleep ya know.. )

we commision those who make laws to make soceity a safe palce to live in and they commision enforcers to ensure that safety.

Now most of the replies (minus the pisstakes.. it is kb afterall) do not contribute the staying at the speed limit to a safety issue. More of a penalty issue.

so is the speed limit too low? Are drivers overconfident?

Is the speed limit too low: In some places yes in others the current maximum limit is excessive, also the current enforcement policy around limits removes the opportunity to make intelligent decisions on things like overtaking, someone else can do the math but overtaking a vehicle doing 80 in a max speed zone at 100 vs 120 places you across the centreline for far less time yet the enforcement policy does not see this or allow the discretion enforcement.

Are drivers overconfident: Hell yes, more training and ongoing training would be the idea, but as has been discussed the government is opposed to this concept.

[Berries]

This a thread for those who travel at the speed limit. What are you reasons for doing so?

I have a theory. Ill reveal if I am right after.

I am getting really confused now with this whole biking thing. Why would someone have a bike if they were going to ride it like a car ? What is the actual point of two wheels if you aren't going to be a twat now and again ?

[Pascal]

Indeed we shouldn't. Neither should we stop being critical of what's being done and how. Being indifferent - e.g. accepting the law without due consideration - will slowly but surely allow power/money/influence to become concentrated within narrower and narrower groups.

Well, apart from you placing less value on yourself and a democracy in general than I do, we agree on that to a point. Where it seems we disagree is in our reaction when we don't accept the law. So you don't accept a law you break it. Okay. Remember that the next time something happens to you because somebody else did not accept a law.

[DMNTD]

I break the law every time I ride my bike...just to a far lesser degree these days.

[Big Dave]

Unfortunately they are the laws of nature.

[slofox]

What is the actual point of two wheels if you aren't going to be a twat now and again ?

Yep. Right. Bikes are MADE to go fast on aren't they? :devil2: course the only time I saw 212 on the clock I was on a private road closed to the public...:whistle: