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Fart
12th May 2005, 15:08
Watch this Ferrari get smashed in a drag race. :killingme

http://media2.big-boys.com/files/badredcar.wmv

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 15:15
If you've never driven a rear wheel drive car before, you better not start with a 300kw, 400bhp, 380nm, 3.6l highly tuned V8.........:nono:

Beemer
12th May 2005, 15:42
He must be related to Ray Ahipene Mercer (took a Porsche for a test drive and crashed it) and the guy who was on Fair Go last night (took a Commodore for a test drive from Williams and Adams, 'accidentally' turned off the traction control, then lost control in a corner and wrecked it) - shows that the bigger (and more expensive) the toy, the more it hurts when it breaks!

Fart
12th May 2005, 15:50
He must be related to Ray Ahipene Mercer (took a Porsche for a test drive and crashed it) and the guy who was on Fair Go last night (took a Commodore for a test drive from Williams and Adams, 'accidentally' turned off the traction control, then lost control in a corner and wrecked it) - shows that the bigger (and more expensive) the toy, the more it hurts when it breaks!


Yeah I saw it on Fair Go last night. That was so funny.

Eurodave
12th May 2005, 16:14
WHATAFUGGINDICK!! And there was no corners or other competitors involved, cant even drive in a straight line, SURE doesnt deserve that car!!!

250learna
12th May 2005, 16:15
i dont think people realise how dificult it is to drive a ferrari, driving your automatic lazy heap of HSV family car is nothing like driving a proper sports car :doh:
what a shame, such a beautiful car :no:

Fart
12th May 2005, 16:23
i dont think people realise how dificult it is to drive a ferrari

I have drive Ferraris and other exotic cars. It aint that hard, I can assure you. That guy in the vid is one dumbass. But at least he is using the car as it is intended to be used. A shame he destroyed it. I knew a mate of mine that smashed his BMW M3 at Pukekohe.

Lias
12th May 2005, 16:25
My old boss wrote off his mates ferrari into the carpark of Mill St Pak n Save here in Hamilton.

Came around the corner, some dued tried to cut him off so he thought hed accelerate past him, back corner of the car got clipped and he lost it, fishtailed , hit the gutter, airborne, landed on the bonnet of a car in the carpark, bounced and came to rest on another car.

Motu
12th May 2005, 16:30
I thought he did pretty well,kept the throttle nailed till the last possible moment.I did the same and speared of the road in the same manner.....in my Morris Minor.

Fart
12th May 2005, 16:30
Hope your boss doesnt ride a bike, or he will be history.

Waylander
12th May 2005, 16:31
My old boss wrote off his mates ferrari into the carpark of Mill St Pak n Save here in Hamilton.

Came around the corner, some dued tried to cut him off so he thought hed accelerate past him, back corner of the car got clipped and he lost it, fishtailed , hit the gutter, airborne, landed on the bonnet of a car in the carpark, bounced and came to rest on another car.


I would have paid to see that lol.


Drove my dads Jag all the time back in Dallas. Not that hard to drive a highpower rear wheel drive car exspecially in a straight line.

Blakamin
12th May 2005, 16:33
Happened in Oz.... guy musta been an immigrant....

Quasievil
12th May 2005, 16:33
You guys might enjoy this site

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 16:35
Actually I think it's a rear drive thing...... I did a similar thing in a go kart...... but I was seriously inexperienced then.(and still am)

Basically the poor guy over corrected and tried to drive it out. But with that acceleration he was propelled into the wall before he realised what happened.

Fart
12th May 2005, 16:35
These guys will be blacklisted by the insurance companies. :killingme

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 16:36
I have drive Ferraris and other exotic cars. It aint that hard, I can assure you. That guy in the vid is one dumbass. But at least he is using the car as it is intended to be used. A shame he destroyed it. I knew a mate of mine that smashed his BMW M3 at Pukekohe.

Really fart?? How come ... are you super rich or do you work for Giltrap Prestige or something???

Fart
12th May 2005, 16:44
Smashed up a $1 million dollar exotic !!!

Car:
2004 Ferrari Enzo

Description:
Lost control while overtaking a bus. As far as we know, this is the 4th Enzo that has been wrecked. Wreck happened on December 10, 2004.

Location:
Near Botley in New Forest, Hampshire, United Kingdom

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo/enzo_20041210_002.shtml

Waylander
12th May 2005, 16:48
Smashed up a $1 million dollar exotic !!!

Car:
2004 Ferrari Enzo

Description:
Lost control while overtaking a bus. As far as we know, this is the 4th Enzo that has been wrecked. Wreck happened on December 10, 2004.

Location:
Near Botley in New Forest, Hampshire, United Kingdom

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo/enzo_20041210_002.shtml

Isn't that the one Mr. Bean trashed?

Biff
12th May 2005, 16:52
If I ever had owned a Ferrari - it would have looked like this.

And they're easy to drive, as long as you show them respect.

http://img137.echo.cx/img137/3228/myferrari3rs.jpg

MacD
12th May 2005, 16:57
I thought he did pretty well,kept the throttle nailed till the last possible moment.I did the same and speared of the road in the same manner.....in my Morris Minor.

Yep, once upon a time all cars were rear wheel drive, it wasn't such a novelty then! ;)

(please note that "all" is used with poetic licence in this statement)

FEINT
12th May 2005, 17:03
for those of you that go down to Pukekohe Open days, you will know that there are quite a few private individuals that take their expensive cars down there, and there are the odd few that smash them up. I have seen a Lambo down at puke overheat, I have seen a Porsche GT3 smash its front, F3 racer smash the wall and LOTS of drift cars smashed.. (mine included)... :(

Quite funny to watch.....

will post photos!

RON SOAK
12th May 2005, 17:08
Whats so hard about driving a rear wheel drive car. Everyone knows, thats how REAL cars are propelled. - especially in the gravel - none of this namby pamby four wheel drive shit!

250learna
12th May 2005, 17:59
Whats so hard about driving a rear wheel drive car. Everyone knows, thats how REAL cars are propelled. - especially in the gravel - none of this namby pamby four wheel drive shit!

its not hard to drive a rear wheel driven car, its just that idiots that dont know how to handle the power generaly dont know what to do when the back slips a bit. I would personaly much rather have the over then understear.
And i think most of you would agree...

Fart
12th May 2005, 18:02
For safety reasons, most normal passanger cars are tuned for understeer than oversteer. Most average Joe dont know how to handle an oversteer, thus panic and get themselves into more trouble.

speedpro
12th May 2005, 18:21
For safety reasons, most normal passanger cars are tuned for understeer than oversteer. Most average Joe dont know how to handle an oversteer, thus panic and get themselves into more trouble.

Everyone knows you just jam on the brakes as hard as you can.

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 18:46
Everyone knows you just jam on the brakes as hard as you can.

:killingme :killingme :killingme

Marmoot
12th May 2005, 18:59
it's not so much of a rear-wheel drive...what makes it rather difficult is the rear engine. Mostly they oversteer much more than a normal front-engined rear wheel drive cars, and when they do it is harder to control especially if you are not used to RWD. Congrats to any of you who thrash turbo MR2 on backroads with skills (I recall there is at least one here with such MR2?).

Actually, I always think of a rear-engined car as a car that has 6 reverse gears and is constantly reversing.


That crash was a shame.....360 is my favourite car and I always wanted one....With my current situation I wouldnt be able to afford one even if I take up 20 year loan.... :love:

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 19:15
it's not so much of a rear-wheel drive...what makes it rather difficult is the rear engine. Mostly they oversteer much more than a normal front-engined rear wheel drive cars, and when they do it is harder to control especially if you are not used to RWD. Congrats to any of you who thrash turbo MR2 on backroads with skills (I recall there is at least one here with such MR2?).

Actually, I always think of a rear-engined car as a car that has 6 reverse gears and is constantly reversing.


That crash was a shame.....360 is my favourite car and I always wanted one....With my current situation I wouldnt be able to afford one even if I take up 20 year loan.... :love:

Well it's not a turbo ... but it's not too bad.. and it's for sale ........ check my sig.

Reason being in a couple of months or so, I'm gonna have a well set up AW10. That;s the original MR2 first model toyota ever built....... proper go kart. Already got the car but not the cash to work on it.

Anyone hiring?? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=11930)

Blakamin
12th May 2005, 19:21
my cousin sold his mr2 just before he lost his leg... was a good car... i reckon it understeered like a bitch tho....

nothin like a big-block powered, XB falcon coupe for goin 'round corners quick...
or a 350 chev powered LX torana!!!

Motu
12th May 2005, 19:42
I found my VWs were fantastic gravel road cars (that's where I learned to handle gravel) big polar inertia,and yet lots of weight over the driving wheels for traction.The big problem with them was the swing axles jacking up - so I would lower them until the rear wheels were vertical...easy to do,tortion bars with a vernia adjustment,19 and 20 from memory...18 on the inner,17 back on the outer,stuff like that.I always used crossply tyres because they have stiff sidewalls and are narrow to sweep the gravel and get down and bite,Kombi wheels on the rear as they were wider and took a bigger tyre.I made the first Baja before there were Baja kits - I cut the rear out with a gas axe then trimmed the engine cover and guards back with tin snips,no running boards.Brush painted with Sampson black high gloss house paint.

Lots and lots a fun - coming up to a corner back off the gas and flick the wheel and you'd be coming up the straight part of the road sideways,looking out the passenger window straight ahead into the corner....no brakes,you didn't need them.At corner apex...or before,the throttle would be slammed down and the car would maintain that slide....I didn't back off and would sometimes hit the bank.An S curve would be bliss - sideways out of the corner,back off,and the car would fly out sideways and into the next one,slam on the gas and you're gone.

I could never drive a car on gravel as fast as I could with a VW,they all seemed light and skittery in the rear....I loved that weight back there.

scumdog
12th May 2005, 20:07
If you've never driven a rear wheel drive car before, you better not start with a 300kw, 400bhp, 380nm, 3.6l highly tuned V8.........:nono:

Hmm, last 1/4 mile in the Mistral (no, not your namby-pamby hair-dressers 4X4 but a tasty '60's kit-car) I had the steering wheel spinning faster than the rear wheels as I tried to correct copious amounts of over-steer (the crowd loved it but my Y-front cringed) and ended up with a boring 14.5 e.t. for the 1/4 - on a dry road.
In my 'lorry', the '55 F100 it's not as bad 'cos it's auto but it's 450hp (enough KW to light Manchester street) and on a wet road it's top-gear wheelspin- opposite lock from one set of lights to the other! (or so they say).

Only 'lost-it' once and then got out O.K. and with clean Y-fronts. :msn-wink:

NordieBoy
12th May 2005, 20:31
I made the first Baja before there were Baja kits - I cut the rear out with a gas axe then trimmed the engine cover and guards back with tin snips,no running boards.Brush painted with Sampson black high gloss house paint.

Dad made a Baja in about '79-80.
Kombi reduction hubs with huge rear wheels (large diameter - not width) and the town & countrys from the back of the Beach Buggy on the front. Alloy running boards and a huge horn off a bedford truck stuck under the bonnet.
Number plate AD3001.
Man that thing would go anywhere.
Damn I miss it :Punk:

MacD
12th May 2005, 20:35
Motu, did you ever have a Hillman Imp (http://www.imps4ever.info/)?

http://personal.inet.fi/private/imp/valokuvia/g1_hillman_imp.jpg

1963-1976, rear engined, aluminium block and head, overhead cam, what more could you want!? :niceone:

Motu
12th May 2005, 20:46
I did that to my 58 in 1973,fitted a 1300 into it...before that I had a 54 small back,totaly destroyed it....and lost my licence by passing a cop in the rain and taking the Panmure roundabout sideways.After the door fell off in his hand he told me to take it home and never use it again.....he was waiting at the end of my street the next day - Failing to Comply With Traffic Officers Instructions,along with speeding,failure to keep left,no Wof,no rego and just general bad attitude.Who needs a licence when you're 19?

When I had the 58 Bug I had a 58 Kombi too....but just the one 1300 motor,that was the main reason for cutting the back off,I would put them back to back,pull the motor out on a beer crate,spin it round and put it in the other one...all in a sat morning.Oh,and one set of wheels,that's why the Bug had Kombi wheels

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 20:50
my cousin sold his mr2 just before he lost his leg... was a good car... i reckon it understeered like a bitch tho....

nothin like a big-block powered, XB falcon coupe for goin 'round corners quick...
or a 350 chev powered LX torana!!!

Whaaaat????? How the hell did you make a M-id engined R-ear wheel drive 2-seater understeer??

And shouldn't a lighter car with a decent power to weight ratio be faster than a heavier car with a similar power to weight around corners??

Like in bikes 400cc versus 1000cc ........ or is this a wind-up???

scumdog
12th May 2005, 21:00
my cousin sold his mr2 just before he lost his leg... was a good car... i reckon it understeered like a bitch tho....

nothin like a big-block powered, XB falcon coupe for goin 'round corners quick...
or a 350 chev powered LX torana!!!

There's a supercharged 460 V8 powered 'coon down here, can smoke the tyres for 200-300 yards WITHOUT riding the brakes, (with 5 passengers and the stereo blaring Metallica) - take care you limp-wristed soft-cock wankers that need diesel and riding the brakes to get tyre smoke!!!

Motu
12th May 2005, 21:09
Motu, did you ever have a Hillman Imp

1963-1976, rear engined, aluminium block and head, overhead cam, what more could you want!? :niceone:
No,but I've worked on heaps back in the day,our first experiance with under bucket shims for valve clearance.They were a Coventry Climax motor.

The guy who works for me has an Imp,he's had it for years,and gave up on the original motor a few years ago.So now he has fitted a 1400 Subaru motor,he got it running a long time ago,but just hasn't got around to finishing it.

When I was a kid Roy Harrington used to race an Imp,it could really fly,beating Mini's,but he seldom finished a race.We used to go and watch him race at Puke on a sunday and blow it up - next week we would walk past his workshop and watch him working on it and ask what happened this time.He had a Garage at Eastern Beach,and that's where I grew up.

FEINT
12th May 2005, 22:44
just some photos of oversteer gone wrong. Oversteer isn't as easy to control as it looks. Photos taken from Pukekohe open days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d06.jpg

scumdog
12th May 2005, 22:52
just some photos of oversteer gone wrong. Oversteer isn't as easy to control as it looks. Photos taken from Pukekohe open days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d06.jpg

Yeah but where are the arm restraints eh?

In my Mistral thing are more exciting, REAL short wheelbase (Like about the same as my Sportster) and about 230+ horsepower makes for a bunch of fun!

O.K., if I want to I can 'haze' the tyres in 4th gear but only in a 'controlled enviroment'.

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 22:52
just some photos of oversteer gone wrong. Oversteer isn't as easy to control as it looks. Photos taken from Pukekohe open days.



Oh really?? Is that why every man and his dog aren't drifting and why Keiichi Tsuchiya is soooo respected??????:D

scumdog
12th May 2005, 22:58
Oh really?? Is that why every man and his dog aren't drifting and why Keiichi Tsuchiya is soooo respected??????:D
OK, 45lb in the rear tyres and it's like driving the Mistral on a muddy paddock - even if it IS actually on a sealed section of road!!!

A lot of you don't know you're alive!!!

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 23:12
OK, 45lb in the rear tyres and it's like driving the Mistral on a muddy paddock - even if it IS actually on a sealed section of road!!!

A lot of you don't know you're alive!!!

Yeah yeah...... :yes: was a passenger in a friends 85MR2. He's been an amature rally driver since wayy before I was born.

First time I ever experienced real g-forces in a car......:love: the experience.

scumdog
12th May 2005, 23:22
[QUOTE=justsomeguy]Yeah yeah...... :yes: was a passenger in a friends 85MR2. He's been an amature rally driver since wayy before I was born.

First time I ever experienced real g-forces in a car......:love: the experience.

I am no 'amateur' rally driver but I have had the experience where the interior mirror get flung off when I changed gear, in my 35 years of (licenced) driving I have never experienced lateral G forces like this!!! ..QUOTE]

Never looked like dropping it(4 wheels and all) but a bunch of fun.

justsomeguy
12th May 2005, 23:34
I am no 'amateur' rally driver but I have had the experience

Funny how I tend to lose my mental abilities when I'm hungry.

But you're a cop aren't you?? So don't you guys go to the James Bond school of driving??

scumdog
12th May 2005, 23:42
Funny how I tend to lose my mental abilities when I'm hungry.

But you're a cop aren't you?? So don't you guys go to the James Bond school of driving??

O.K., I wasn't ALWAYS a cop, I use to be a 'normal' freezing worker, back in the '70's I use to be pretty good with a rear-wheel drive on gravel, - plus I 'knew' tricks that OSH would not approve of.

James Bond was movie shit, my driving was 'real'.

And I'm not 'skiting'

Mooch
12th May 2005, 23:47
my cousin sold his mr2 just before he lost his leg... was a good car... i reckon it understeered like a bitch tho....

nothin like a big-block powered, XB falcon coupe for goin 'round corners quick...
or a 350 chev powered LX torana!!!


It's the brakes on these cars that's the killer , I remember my borthers repowered 400cu bb XB running out of brakes on several occasions . Drifting around the basin reserve on the throttle was cool , as was quarter mile times on high 12's where the back tyres spun most of the way (1970's rubber !).
These days he's driving like a granddad and is intolerant of boy racers ... short memory ...

Lou Girardin
13th May 2005, 09:58
just some photos of oversteer gone wrong. Oversteer isn't as easy to control as it looks. Photos taken from Pukekohe open days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d06.jpg

Arm out the window and he lost it. Surprise, fucking surprise. Damn goood argument for an IQ test to be included in the driving tests.

Marmoot
13th May 2005, 10:05
Well it's not a turbo ... but it's not too bad.. and it's for sale ........ check my sig.

what the.....I have a Supra, why would I want an MR2? :D

(If I am to change car, I would get a Ferrari 360 and make my penis smaller...but I'd still be smiling because I'd be in a 360 :love: )

Lou Girardin
13th May 2005, 10:25
just some photos of oversteer gone wrong. Oversteer isn't as easy to control as it looks. Photos taken from Pukekohe open days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/feintnz/d06.jpg

Arm out the window and he lost it. Surprise, fucking surprise. Damn good arguement for an IQ test to be included in the driving tests.