MNZ Annual General Meeting

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MNZ has decided no permits will be issued for the weekend of 22nd/ 23rd May as they have changed their AGM date to this weekend.Just wondering what clubs other than us ,CAMS and Canterbury are affected (in a most detrimental way too):angry:

[scott411]

they tried this last year to, i think they changed and made it that if you send a delegate you could have a permit as well,

bit stupid i think

[ellipsis]

Thanks for the reply scott411. Obviously nobody else who talks shit in the KB Racing forum belongs to a club or knows what dates their meetings are on . Whats the use of a RACING forum if a question about racing/ clubs doesn't get a reply . Fucking peculiar really, as so many on this site seem to have so much to say about nothing in particular . What use is this place. Waste of time.

[Biggles08]

Ha! Mate...I have no idea what meetings are on in May!?! I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to attend all the meetings in March April first.....then I'll look at the Calendar for May!!!

[GaZBur]

Teretonga SOuth Island cup and Sportzfotoz junior cup on the Sunday 23rd May.
http://www.southlandmotorcycleclub.org.nz/
I try to keep track of most South Island events in the Monthly newletter for the OMCC available in the forms page of our website.
http://www.otagomotorcycleclub.org.nz/1.htm

[ellipsis]

Thanks for the heads up on this one Gary. BEARS were unaware of this as were we. Funny old world innit. You sure they have issued a permit for the Teretonga meeting

[GaZBur]

Thanks for the heads up on this one Gary. BEARS were unaware of this as were we. Funny old world innit. You sure they have issued a permit for the Teretonga meeting

No not sure if permit was issued as I emailed John at SMCC same time as you but not heard back from him. I think he may be out of town for a week though.
Good luck racing tomorrow, I was intending to come to Ruapuna but events conspired against me. I was hoping to make a better impression as at your last CAMS meeting at Levels it was me who high sided and rolled the FZR1000. Its mobile again, yay! And I have almost stopped limping.

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Yeah, that was certainly one way to dismantle a bike.Hope you're gonna bring it up to Methven on the 3rd April

[Bren_chch]

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Having received notification today of MNZ’s change of AGM date, we feel it necessary to express our dissent at MNZ’s decision not to issue permits for organized motorcycle events on 22/23 May 2010.

As a result of MNZ inept management and timekeeping, do clubs have to be disadvantaged by not having permits honoured for events which have been on their calendars for up to 12 months!!??

Clubs are finding it hard enough to attract members with ever increasing costs and limited availability of tracks, to have an “outside” BOARD dictate how these clubs should run is not acceptable.

Club members have to plan in advance which meetings they can and/or will attend depending on finance, work related issues and traveling times.

By CAMS and BEARS holding their meetings on this particular weekend will not affect MNZ AGM attendance, but it will show to its members the integrity of the club and its keenness to put on events to accommodate those riders who wish to participate and develop their skills.

We respectfully suggest MNZ look to their staff to forward plan their meetings and AGM and actually stick to the scheduled dates. MNZ inability to plan should not become everyone elses problem.

We appreciate only too well that a lot of work is done by volunteers. However, in such a large governing body in the motor sport scene someone has to take ownership of the incompetence being shown here.

We hope the responses you will receive from a lot of unhappy riders, as a result of your decision to change the AGM, will ensure permits for those clubs with events organized for the weekend 22/23 May 2010 will be honoured.

Rob and Lynne Attrill


pretty spot on.

[GaZBur]

Yeah, that was certainly one way to dismantle a bike.Hope you're gonna bring it up to Methven on the 3rd April

Yep for sure, and with the Dunedin Motard guys as usual. Accomodation booked and entry form - umm sitting on my desk waiting for me to post, yeah better get on to that eh!

[Maido]

No not sure if permit was issued as I emailed John at SMCC same time as you but not heard back from him. I think he may be out of town for a week though.
Good luck racing tomorrow, I was intending to come to Ruapuna but events conspired against me. I was hoping to make a better impression as at your last CAMS meeting at Levels it was me who high sided and rolled the FZR1000. Its mobile again, yay! And I have almost stopped limping.

Hey GaZBur, I am assuming you are talking about John Beck? John Beck isn't doing the SMCC thing anymore, you would be better getting in contact with John Smart, his number is 0272429892 if you have no luck let me know and I will find out for ya.

Jeremy

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It seems a few members took this warning that their meetings may have been in jeopardy straight back to MNZ and they are now going about rectifying the matter.. Surely an oversight by MNZ.....

[Bren_chch]

Did you see this reply CAMsec?


This reply from the MZN president says that permits were not applied for, is this correct?



Subject: Re: MNZ-AGM-- Our AGM--Rnd 1 BEARS
Good afternoon,

Thank you for taking the time to send us your email, which looking at the circulation list was clearly meant to generate unrest within the ranks.

We could appreciate you point of view, if in fact it was based on accurate information.

You appear to be quite happy to critise the office staff at MNZ and make completely unfounded statements, while utilising MNZ for your club's benefit.

Over the last three years CAMS have run an event on three different weekends in May.

It is totally unacceptable to expect MNZ staff, to know what your club intends doing, unless you have applied for an event permit.

When the decision was made to move the AGM, to the weekend of the May 22/23 there was only one permit for a trail ride applied for.

As of today, your club has still not applied for a permit for the below mentioned event, which you claim has been on your calendar for over twelve months.

In your email you state:

"We appreciate only too well that a lot of work is done by volunteers. However, in such a large governing body in the motor sport scene, someone has to take ownership of the incompetence being shown here."

Yes, incompetence is being shown and it is by the Classic Action Motorcycle Sports Club, rather than MNZ.

We look forward to receiving a permit application in due course.


On another matter.

I am not sure where you fit into you club hierarchy, but your club needs to examine section 6-1-4 of the Constitution.

Both Classic Action Motorcycle Sports Club and B.E.A.R.S. Motorcycle Club's affiliation to MNZ are under review by the Board, as neither club has been represented by club delegate or by proxy at the last two AGMs.

This year the 'New' Board is incorporating several seminars along with the usual 'Workshops' to encourage Clubs to attend AGM weekend.


Yours in Motorcycling

B J (Jim) Tuckerman
President
Motorcycling New Zealand Inc.

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We never apply for a permit this far out from a meeting, we have less than a handful of stewards to choose from and its hard to get an affirmative answer regards who will be the the officials on the day. We never have and we wont be starting soon. MNZ requires 14 days minimum notice to apply for permit, and thats all we have ever done.

Dates are allocated by the Car Club every year so we are going to have fluctuations on the dates of our AGM meeting which is, MAY

Before bringing up the points of us maybe being at fault regards rules here, Jim Tuckerman should acquaint himself with them.

What would be wrong with a little communication to clubs before actions like "not issuing permits for a particular weekend" , because it suits the hierarchy.

Cant see CAMS or any other club being at fault here.

[Billy]

All the same,You have tried too make MNZ look bad by failing too mention they knew nothing of your plans. All theyve done is inform everybody of their intentions.Pity you couldnt have done the same before whining about it on a public forum.

[ellipsis]

Who was whining, again Billy if you read the first post ,its aquestion. Do you wanna run our club...

[k14]

All the same,You have tried too make MNZ look bad by failing too mention they knew nothing of your plans. All theyve done is inform everybody of their intentions.Pity you couldnt have done the same before whining about it on a public forum.
Yes it seems as though that is the case. Jim Tuckerman however didn't help the cause with his sarcastic and fairly demeaning reply. I fail to see how his reply is constructive to the cause of MNZ, not something I like to see from a person I helped vote into the positon quite frankly!

[Billy]

No,I dont want too run your club,Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum is going too solve anything,A considered request directly too MNZ would be far more effective and yes Kirk,Jims response was direct and sarcastic but A.That is Jim,Too the point and blunt,But you will notice he did it directly in response and B you can see from the email directed at MNZ in Bren ch chs post the sort of shit they have too put up with on a daily basis.If youve got a concern regarding MNZ,Then take it up with them not KB

[scrivy]

:corn:

Don't ya just love KB!

Feel free to speak your mind - but just don't upset anyone!! :shutup::shifty:

[Bren_chch]

50/50 - I can see the point in the cams/bears email.

The email response from MNZ was unprofessional and so what if they get shit like this most weeks, they cause most of the issues lol! Oh and to top it off there is a threat to review the relationship between cams/bears and MNZ. nice.

Whats wrong with this being posted on KB, its racing related. The original post was to see if anyone else had permits for that weekend.


bah!

[Billy]

Whats wrong with it being posted on KB??Is KB now the official site for all club secretaries too gather information regarding MNZ ?NO its not and never will be.Any club official with an ounce of commonsense would not comment on club affairs on a public forum,As has been displayed by the Vic club when people request info on the winter series on this very site.

[Bren_chch]

Is that really an answer?

Whats wrong with it being posted on KB when the clubs concerned had already contacted MNZ. This forum is for discussing racing related topics, is it not?

[Kemet]

50/50 - I can see the point in the cams/bears email.

The email response from MNZ was unprofessional and so what if they get shit like this most weeks, they cause most of the issues lol! Oh and to top it off there is a threat to review the relationship between cams/bears and MNZ. nice.


doesn't sound like threatening so much as they were pointing out that CAMS and BEARS may be shooting themselves in the foot here too.

Complaints were being made about how MNZ was being run/organised, yet the two clubs affilliated with mnz have failed to send representatives to the mnz agm - where it sounds like part of the agreement to remain affilliated is to show up at AGMs.

so not so much a threat as putting out the question, "are you guys [cams, bears] actually any better than us [mnz] in being organised properly"
or a "don't point out my faults if you aren't going to address your own" kind of deal.

Lesson to learn here:
Careful with the shit-slinging if you haven't made sure you're squeaky clean yourself, or at least open about your own faults....

[Kemet]

MNZ has decided no permits will be issued for the weekend of 22nd/ 23rd May as they have changed their AGM date to this weekend.Just wondering what clubs other than us ,CAMS and Canterbury are affected (in a most detrimental way too):angry:

:innocent:just a wee reminder of the original post seeing as a few have asked/commented.... :innocent:

[fuknKIWI]

No,I dont want too run your club,Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum is going too solve anything,A considered request directly too MNZ would be far more effective and yes Kirk,Jims response was direct and sarcastic but A.That is Jim,Too the point and blunt,But you will notice he did it directly in response and B you can see from the email directed at MNZ in Bren ch chs post the sort of shit they have too put up with on a daily basis.If youve got a concern regarding MNZ,Then take it up with them not KB
On what basis do you make that assumption Billy boy?
Clearly it's not an informed one.
So you think that CAMS sec is "taking it up with KB" (another ill informed assumption).
KB is a public forum, this is the Racing page of that so it's entirely apropriate for the sec to post here.
How petty can you and your ilk get?
To put things in a chronolgical context CAMS sec was the very first person to take posession of a BEARS T-shirt where were you in '83?

[ellipsis]

Hold The Bus! Getting away from it all here, it'd be cool to let it go at, I asked a racing related question on KB , to MNZ members who you would assume to be numerous on these pages, about how they feel about any meeting they may thought they were riding in on the weekend, 22/23 May if there were to be no permits issued. We dont apply for a permit til 6 weeks out from a meeting, a month before the 14 days minimum notice, our practice , always has been, probably wont change. We are an open club, have no secrets, in fact just the opposite, we promote motorcycles, we are proactive in generating young riders to the sport and we only do it for fun or because we've done it that long we dont know how to stop. We kicked MNZ , they kicked us, VIVA, we certainly are not squeaky clean, and Im not going to go near the governing bodies faults: I suppose the lesson for me in this one is that, I should direct my racing related questions to another forum, Womens Weekly maybe?

[suzuki21]

On what basis do you make that assumption Billy boy?
Clearly it's not an informed one.
So you think that CAMS sec is "taking it up with KB" (another ill informed assumption).
KB is a public forum, this is the Racing page of that so it's entirely apropriate for the sec to post here.
How petty can you and your ilk get?
To put things in a chronolgical context CAMS sec was the very first person to take posession of a BEARS T-shirt where were you in '83?

Billy was allready racing for a few years before 1983. He probably didnt go to the BEARS meeting because he thought there was no stigma attached to racing in a class made just so a Bears bike could finally win something.

[jellywrestler]

racing in a class made just so a Bears bike could finally win something.
Hey that's a bit harsh on BEARS racing. It's a well known fact that BEARS racing was the brainchild of a t-shirt company who had a large order of black t-shirts cancelled and wanted to get rid of them...

[dangerous]

All the same,You have tried too make MNZ look bad by failing too mention they knew nothing of your plans. All theyve done is inform everybody of their intentions.Pity you couldnt have done the same before whining about it on a public forum.
Take your time and reread... Cams Sec has passed no such info on he asked a bloody question, the quote that Bren posted is a personal email to MNZ FROM "Rob and Lynne Attrill" and yes a bit OTT... NOT signed by CAMS nor indorsed by Cams Sec


Yes it seems as though that is the case. Jim Tuckerman however didn't help the cause with his sarcastic and fairly demeaning reply. I fail to see how his reply is constructive to the cause of MNZ, not something I like to see from a person I helped vote into the positon quite frankly! Note: K14 the above by me... and YES I agree very unprofesional reply not well none by such a big governing body.




Ive been a club official and MNZ steward in the past (Probably long before your involvement in the sport).But I dont see how shitstirring on a public forum bla bla bla... man, you do seem to have bit of a chip on the old sholder dont ya

[fossil]

Did you see this reply CAMsec?


This reply from the MZN president says that permits were not applied for, is this correct?

Hard to argue with the response from Jim Tuckerman. As always blunt , factual and to the point and quite reserved considering the email he was responding to.
I have read this thread a number of times and it appears to me that MNZ aren't clairvoyant and rely on information being passed onto them from which to make decisions. Of more concern is that it appears that some member clubs of MNZ are attempting to be free loaders on the back of those who actively work and contribute to make the organisation better. If you don't contibute you really have no right to complain.
Scott411 is right in that permits were issued to clubs who had delegates attending last years AGM

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Of more concern is that it appears that some member clubs of MNZ are attempting to be free loaders on the back of those who actively work and contribute to make the organisation better. If you don't contibute you really have no right to complain.



...yes, we are one of twenty one freeloading clubs who Jim says are to be under review for failing to send a delegate to the AGM, your club wouldn't be one of the others would it. Piss off.....

[fossil]

...yes, we are one of twenty one freeloading clubs who Jim says are to be under review for failing to send a delegate to the AGM, your club wouldn't be one of the others would it. Piss off.....

None of the 3 clubs I belong to are free loading, I used to belong to a fourth but I found they were so busy pissing in each others pockets they forgot the bigger picture.Generally they are trying move competitive motorcycling forward by contributing ideas and being involved in the discussions from which decision are based.

[dangerous]

None of the 3 clubs I belong to are free loading... What the hell is 'free loading'?
shit I pay my fees Ive even been to a MNZ meeting in Chch (spent 3hrs going around in circules) and I am a CAM's member...

In a personal email Jim Tuckerman told me the idea of no permits 'was to encourage more members and Clubs to attend the AGM weekend along with it's workshops' IMO I dont think this would work, how ever we must remember at the time MNZ decided to move the AGM date, they knew nothing of the BEARs and CAMs meetings (BEARS have now applyed CAMs should do the same ASAP)