Superbikes limited to superstock?

[Maido]

Hey folks,
Just reading about Tony Rees great weekend on the R1 and noticed at the bottom of the page


Next year’s champion ship series is expected to be limited to stock bikes and Rees has already shown he’s on the right track to be a feature at the front in 2011

Source: http://www.bikesportnz.com/?p=2613#more-2613

Is this a go or is it still in the works?

Jeremy H

[Shaun]

Hey folks,
Just reading about Tony Rees great weekend on the R1 and noticed at the bottom of the page



Source: http://www.bikesportnz.com/?p=2613#more-2613

Is this a go or is it still in the works?

Jeremy H


NOT 100% Confirmed yet mate

[wharfy]

Hey folks,
Just reading about Tony Rees great weekend on the R1 and noticed at the bottom of the page



Source: http://www.bikesportnz.com/?p=2613#more-2613

Is this a go or is it still in the works?

Jeremy H

I think that might be a bit premature - When the Stock Production class was introduced I don't remember hearing about a timetable to ditch superbikes - but I am pretty deaf :(

[CHOPPA]

I hope thats the rules!!! Will be much cheaper to build a bike, the championship would be much closer too

[CHOPPA]

Completely stock trim...... Tui moment!

My bike is completely stock as well

[Maido]

I may consider doing a thou next season, I mean I have had no luck with going fast on the 600 and a super does way better wheelies and skids haha

[k14]

I may consider doing a thou next season, I mean I have had no luck with going fast on the 600 and a super does way better wheelies and skids haha
...and crashes

[Brian d marge]

Didnt I say that the way it should go like a long time back!

Hopefully they rules will be similar to the ss600 which would allow bike racing in NZ to race in Europe and visa versa ( for example)
its a very interesting cc rating at the moment lots of scope and room for development

Stephen

[Nonbeliever]

I hope thats the rules!!! Will be much cheaper to build a bike, the championship would be much closer too

not onlycheaper and closer,but alot more entrants I would say....

add in some sort of tyre rule / restriction and it'll be all on!

[Peter Smith]

Keeping the motors stock would be a huge saving and they are still pretty quick stock.
The suspension and tyres would need looking at, Tony was having troubles getting his tyres to stick, perhaps slicks could be an option to road tyres.

[Billy]

Not at all.The only problem Tony was having,Was trying too get the same grip as the guys around him who were on slicks.

If everybodys on proddy tyres,Then the best rider wins and I wouldnt be relying on them allowing the use of aftermarket suspension either

[Skunk]

For the dollars per km slicks are cheaper aren't they?

[Billy]

Possibly,Im not really up with the costs,The advantage cost wise with dot approved tyres would be resale I expect.(Assuming they hadnt been destroyed)

[Skunk]

Possibly,Im not really up with the costs,The advantage cost wise with dot approved tyres would be resale I expect.(Assuming they hadnt been destroyed)True. We've found the slicks are still good for testing and resale to track day riders after many more laps than a DOT tyre. The DOT's have destroyed the side of the tyre too. This is with the 600 of course and I wondered if the same was true of the 1000's.

[Nonbeliever]

If everybodys on proddy tyres,Then the best rider wins and I wouldnt be relying on them allowing the use of aftermarket suspension either

ride to the conditions, if it's slicks,wet,road rubber, what ever

[gixerracer]

never going to happen

I hope thats the rules!!! Will be much cheaper to build a bike, the championship would be much closer too

[Kevin G]

Hi.
We already have a more stock class running with superbikes and 600's this year and how many people are running in those classes, see my laps for the numbers, very low in fact only one in 600's doing the complete series and no supers. The rules require stock engines but allow the use of aftermarket suspension.
So if it is such a great thing where are all the people?

[CHOPPA]

Factories dont like those rules because it means they cant control who wins and its the factories that sponsor the series so Craig is prob right!

[CHOPPA]

No matter what the rules say the factory teams are still going to have cheating within the rules engines so it prob better to leave say 6 of those guys racing each other and everyone else can ride superstock?

[gixerracer]

my dear deer der dilluded chop I guess when you mean the factories cant control who you mean Suzuki as they are the only ones that have one in the past 600 years? If this is so dont you have andrew strouds bike from last year ? Its faster than my bike how come you are not winning if this is the case???
If the teams are all cheats then I guess you are saying that your bike is not within the current rules??? Correct

[CHOPPA]

my dear deer der dilluded chop I guess when you mean the factories cant control who you mean Suzuki as they are the only ones that have one in the past 600 years? If this is so dont you have andrew strouds bike from last year ? Its faster than my bike how come you are not winning if this is the case???
If the teams are all cheats then I guess you are saying that your bike is not within the current rules??? Correct

I was told the factories would pull out if there factory bikes had to be left standard because they need there bikes to be at the front givin the amount they put into there efforts which is fair enough, i was also told that if the bikes were made to stay standard then this would make them blue print the engines as this would be within the rules and there are several loop holes such as that, that in turn makes it even more expensive to build a standard bike fast.

My bike is down on power compared to last year, im sure it is within the rules but there will certainly be some creative thinking gone into it.

And i would be winning if i had the best bike and unlimited new tyres to practice going fast on, not suggesting anyone else has that rather just trying to get some sucker to front up with that for me to see if they can prove me wrong haha

[woodyracer]

We all love to see super fast bikes..so seeing stock ones out there would be boring...thats why they are puting motogp back up to 1000cc....theres notihng like nail-biting power

[gixerracer]

I was told the factories would pull out if there factory bikes had to be left standard because they need there bikes to be at the front givin the amount they put into there efforts which is fair enough, i was also told that if the bikes were made to stay standard then this would make them blue print the engines as this would be within the rules and there are several loop holes such as that, that in turn makes it even more expensive to build a standard bike fast.

My bike is down on power compared to last year, im sure it is within the rules but there will certainly be some creative thinking gone into it.

And i would be winning if i had the best bike and unlimited new tyres to practice going fast on, not suggesting anyone else has that rather just trying to get some sucker to front up with that for me to see if they can prove me wrong haha
Ya dont need new tyres I only had 1 for saturday and two for the races on sunday at manfeild and stroud didnt put a new one on his bike until sunday so I think your information is again wrong,isnt part of building a goo engine blue printing it anyway? I cant see your point you can win a sbk race on anything thats within 10hp or so in this country

[CHOPPA]

Ya dont need new tyres I only had 1 for saturday and two for the races on sunday at manfeild and stroud didnt put a new one on his bike until sunday so I think your information is again wrong,isnt part of building a goo engine blue printing it anyway? I cant see your point you can win a sbk race on anything thats within 10hp or so in this country

It was a bit tongue in cheek about winning the races, i was originally suggesting that it doesnt matter if the rules are made 'standard' there is still going to be bikes that are much faster standard bikes due to blueprinting etc so it doesnt really matter if the rules are changed or not.

[CHOPPA]

I need new tyres because i need to practice going faster, i know i can push hard when im on new tyres and can concentrate purely on going faster once i have found new limits my times on the old tyres pick up as well, you and stroudy prob went around at basically the same lap times as last year so you prob didnt need to practice at all

[codgyoleracer]

I like the basic stock idea thingy - however the first thing to be in place well before a championship based on this sort of spec would be to have the technical inspectors made known and from the outset and for them to be active & be able to have the power to make decisons on the day. One x inspector to oversee 600 & 1000's each.
Bottom line though in my opionion is that the same fast riders will still be at the pointy end. Overall though (in theory) i it should reduce the build costs for the average punter and may even get dealer/shop supported bikes back into the fold.
As Craig ses - if your within 10hp , then its down to your riding ability & your ability to set up the bike.

Here is the order of the bigger costs based on when i had a play on a sbk for a cuple of years and personnaly pay for everything 1) Tyres 2) Accomodation and travel & entry 3) Engine build 4) Suspension build & servicing 5) Consumables & spares.

Had no budget for a spare bike, more than one set of wheels, bodywork, tank, subrame. (I.E if it went for a big endo roll somwhere - i was packin up and goin home) The cost of the orignal bike itself was not included as it was expected to get the money back on that at the end.

Cost me $45K for six months riding inc testing etc - with nats in the middle.

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

[Shaun P]

Its interesting seeing the results of the aussies at PI SBK that are now on a lower spec dunlop control tyre(than ntec) the fast riders are still fast but a couple of seconds slower than last year and some of the superstock runners from last year are doing well in supersport because they are more used to the dot spec tyres.
Also another way to inadvertenly restrict HP due to the limits of the tyre
It probably is the way forward to increase numbers but that will happen over time not instantly

Hey Sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike.. :sweatdrop

[gixerracer]

Haha yea i would be keen on that i have been 105.5 at manfeild on the same bike as sloans current bike and i have only done 105.8 on my honda just last weekend. I will take that offer as long as mr ohlins is present and i can change the bike to suit me
its interesting seeing the results of the aussies at pi sbk that are now on a lower spec dunlop control tyre(than ntec) the fast riders are still fast but a couple of seconds slower than last year and some of the superstock runners from last year are doing well in supersport because they are more used to the dot spec tyres.
Also another way to inadvertenly restrict hp due to the limits of the tyre
it probably is the way forward to increase numbers but that will happen over time not instantly

hey sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike.. :sweatdrop

[Shaun P]

Haha yea i would be keen on that i have been 105.5 at manfeild on the same bike as sloans current bike and i have only done 105.8 on my honda just last weekend. I will take that offer as long as mr ohlins is present and i can change the bike to suit me

Sweet make it happen haha

[CHOPPA]

Hey Sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike.. :sweatdrop

I would put my money on Craig as well but it would be interesting to see the top say 8 riders of the championship jump on a standard maybe R1 or ZX10 so its diff for everyone and give us 10 laps each to get some lap times. Would be an expensive exercise hahaha

[Shaun P]

Your bike will do, u got me wrong ill put my money on the underdog ;)

[gixerracer]

what i have all ways liked as a dumb idea would be have say 3 zx10s 3 r1s 3gixer thous and 3 cbrs and 12 riders no friday practice a controled tyre and you pull your key out of a hat at riders brief and thats what you race that weekend and you cant race the same bike again now that would sort out some arguments lol
I would put my money on Craig as well but it would be interesting to see the top say 8 riders of the championship jump on a standard maybe R1 or ZX10 so its diff for everyone and give us 10 laps each to get some lap times. Would be an expensive exercise hahaha

[gixerracer]

ya no the thing that makes me laugh the most is everyone seems to pick on the sbk class re the cost but im willing to place a bet the codgy and jason easton have spent more money on there f3 championship than most of us sbk guys???? The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel go to a controlled tyre and stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????
I like the basic stock idea thingy - however the first thing to be in place well before a championship based on this sort of spec would be to have the technical inspectors made known and from the outset and for them to be active & be able to have the power to make decisons on the day. One x inspector to oversee 600 & 1000's each.
Bottom line though in my opionion is that the same fast riders will still be at the pointy end. Overall though (in theory) i it should reduce the build costs for the average punter and may even get dealer/shop supported bikes back into the fold.
As Craig ses - if your within 10hp , then its down to your riding ability & your ability to set up the bike.

Here is the order of the bigger costs based on when i had a play on a sbk for a cuple of years and personnaly pay for everything 1) Tyres 2) Accomodation and travel & entry 3) Engine build 4) Suspension build & servicing 5) Consumables & spares.

Had no budget for a spare bike, more than one set of wheels, bodywork, tank, subrame. (I.E if it went for a big endo roll somwhere - i was packin up and goin home) The cost of the orignal bike itself was not included as it was expected to get the money back on that at the end.

Cost me $45K for six months riding inc testing etc - with nats in the middle.

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

[Kickaha]

The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel

I'm suprised that travel is, ok we're only doing 4 rounds but our spend for that is $632 total on the ferry for van, trailer + two people,$400 in flights $500 in accomodation $400-500 on gas, so about $2K, = $500 per round


go stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????

I think that will just mean even more expense as people will probably go to more club rounds on tracks they don't normally run on to get track time before Nationals roll around

[CHOPPA]

ya no the thing that makes me laugh the most is everyone seems to pick on the sbk class re the cost but im willing to place a bet the codgy and jason easton have spent more money on there f3 championship than most of us sbk guys???? The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel go to a controlled tyre and stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????

Yeah a limit on tyres and a control tyre would help, 3 sets total for sat and sun. I have been using 2 new sets and 1 second hand set and its been ok. Thats atleast a 2.5k saving. My season has been nearly affordable, i wouldnt have spent much more then any of the 600 riders

[Drew]

Pretty sure I could afford to do more racing if I was prepared and booked ahead of time. Preparation is one of the most important things about bike racing and I suck at it, (so do you Sloan, sort ya shit out).

[Nonbeliever]

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

Absolutely

[scracha]

what i have all ways liked as a dumb idea would be have say 3 zx10s 3 r1s 3gixer thous and 3 cbrs and 12 riders no friday practice a controled tyre and you pull your key out of a hat at riders brief and thats what you race that weekend and you cant race the same bike again now that would sort out some arguments lol

Oh goody...I can start another "Keys in the jar" rumour.

Isn't that kinda what they did with the old Virgin R6 cup in yurrop?

Riders SBK cheapo championship:- Dyno first 3 bikes + 2 at random. Anyone >10bhp vs stock gets booted. Any bike <15Kg from stock gets booted. Simple, cheap.

Question:- How are they checking that traction control anti wheelspin type electronictrickery isn't being used?

gixerracer vs chop :- my money's on the chopmeister...but only at Puke and mansfeild short track.

[Drew]

gixerracer vs chop :- my money's on the chopmeister...but only at Puke and mansfeild short track.

Have you taken up smoking pot man? Sloan's really fuckin good, and I'm sure with more time racing and learning this lark he'll have a shot at Craig sometime. But he is currently riding a bike that beat Craig in every race last year, with Craig on the same machine he ran last year. Yet with the exception of Ruapuna (where Craig had quite a shit weekend) he's being beaten.

I rate Sloan as having all the tallent in the world, but put them on matching bikes at the start line and Craig will dissapear at the moment.

Hope this hasn't offended you at all Soan, you're a good mate of mine, I'm just calling it how I see it.

[codgyoleracer]

If you were looking at cost controls in a business, then you would look at the largest expense first & try to deal with that, then the next & so on & so on. Playing with the small stuff is like "sacking the tea lady" to cut costs, which has buggerall effect - however pisses almost everyone off universally.

Re the F3 cost Versus SBK cost question -, It would create quite a problem with the wife as we would have to decide where to spend the spare 80K i had left over from the 100K SBK budget. (probably a nice holidatysomwhere ?. Maybe Fielding ?

Ive gone off Supebikes in the last few years - i couldnt handle the stardom and exposure, + the women flocking to you wanting you to father their children got boring in the end, I dont know how you keep it up...........

[Drew]

Ive gone off Supebikes in the last few years - i couldnt handle the stardom and exposure, + the women flocking to you wanting you to father their children got boring in the end, I dont know how you keep it up...........


You got sick of all that from being left out, for being a ginga didn't ya bro?

[Pussy]

Take Mrs Codgeyoleracer shopping in Halcome, Glen!
I tried suggesting that to Ken (KS34) for Mrs KS34, too.

You're welcome!

[KS34]

LOL one day I'll have the nuts to suggest it too! I dont think running all the bikes as open stock production will change anything at the front of the field, because the guys at the front are there for a reason, they are quick! but what it will do is bring other racers in, it has already brought Tony Rees back and he was only about 2.5 sec behind the top guys. I think some people forget that racers like Stroud, Sherriffs etc etc have been racing a looong time and have put alot of time and their own money into there racing before now and thats why they have the factory rides its not that they got picked out of a hat and if any of us had been picked we would be at the front of the field.

[gixerracer]

[QUOTE=Kickaha;1129674089]I'm suprised that travel is, ok we're only doing 4 rounds but our spend for that is $632 total on the ferry for van, trailer + two people,$400 in flights $500 in accomodation $400-500 on gas, so about $2K, = $500 per round



yes but that comes down to choice to go and do those club days so that is up to them and the club days are often in the winter time when the tracks are either wet or so cold that there is zero value for testing anyway so not much point at all

[gixerracer]

[QUOTE=codgyoleracer;1129674274]If you were looking at cost controls in a business, then you would look at the largest expense first & try to deal with that, then the next & so on & so on. Playing with the small stuff is like "sacking the tea lady" to cut costs, which has buggerall effect - however pisses almost everyone off universally.

Re the F3 cost Versus SBK cost question -, It would create quite a problem with the wife as we would have to decide where to spend the spare 80K i had left over from the 100K SBK budget. (probably a nice holidatysomwhere ?. Maybe Fielding ?

my honda certainly does not owe the owner 100k even after 2 seasons

[gixerracer]

what are you on drugs were you not at minefeild last weekend?
Oh goody...I can start another "Keys in the jar" rumour.

Isn't that kinda what they did with the old Virgin R6 cup in yurrop?

Riders SBK cheapo championship:- Dyno first 3 bikes + 2 at random. Anyone >10bhp vs stock gets booted. Any bike <15Kg from stock gets booted. Simple, cheap.

Question:- How are they checking that traction control anti wheelspin type electronictrickery isn't being used?

gixerracer vs chop :- my money's on the chopmeister...but only at Puke and mansfeild short track.

[slowpoke]

Whatever the hell happens, it has to come in at club level first to make it viable. To the average club racer, talking about National's is like talking about something on Mars: they know it exists but will never go there. So as long as F1/F2 rules exist at Club level that's what most racers will adhere to. What would be the point of buying and setting up a competitive Open Stock bike for say $20k (start with wreck or pre loved bike) when you can buy a full monty Superbike that is a better Club and street racing bike for the same money or less?

The other issue that has to be co-ordinated with clubs is encouraging people to ride (insert F1/Superbike/Open Stock class here) in the first place. Vic Club did a great job with the help of LG last year, but take that away and we're straight back to the open class bikes being second class citizens again with lack of track time.

There needs to be some direction and co-ordination with the clubs, as these are the feeders into the National's, not the other way 'round.

[KS34]

To the average club racer, talking about National's is like talking about something on Mars: they know it exists but will never go there.

There needs to be some direction and co-ordination with the clubs, as these are the feeders into the National's, not the other way 'round.

Good point Spud, the only problem is the solution! There isnt enough racers out there that want to compete in the Nationals.

[codgyoleracer]

You got sick of all that from being left out, for being a ginga didn't ya bro?

The ginga thing just added to the flocking women problem bro .......... (its a sympathy thing i think)

[Drew]

The ginga thing just added to the flocking women problem bro .......... (its a sympathy thing i think)

Sympathy, admiration, whatever the reason it's a goal in my book.

[Wingnut]

Good point Spud, the only problem is the solution! There isnt enough racers out there that want to compete in the Nationals.

More like "There isn't enough racers out there that can afford to do the Nationals":bye:

[scracha]

what are you on drugs were you not at minefeild last weekend?

He was having a bad day Craig. It's obvious he'd smoke ya.

[KS34]

He was having a bad day Craig. It's obvious he'd smoke ya.
I admire Sloans ability but you have gotta be taking the Piss

[KS34]

More like "There isn't enough racers out there that can afford to do the Nationals":bye:
It comes down to priorities really, you can get a good bike ready to go for 11-12k, then its the usual tyres, travel etc for guys doing the winter series up here it wouldnt be a whole heap more.

[gixerracer]

O sorry I didnt realise well you just let me no when he is ready and I will get my sbk bike ready just to give me at least half a chance lol
He was having a bad day Craig. It's obvious he'd smoke ya.

[Pussy]

Another point, too, Craig....
You've had enough practice.... get the bloody title next year, ffs!

[slowpoke]

More like "There isn't enough racers out there that can afford to do the Nationals":bye:

Nah, there are swags of riders turning up to the Tri-Series from all over the joint, and it's standing room only at a Vic Club event at Minefeild........yet few want to race at even their local National's event. Sure cost is always a factor for any event it's the nature of the sport, but to choose racing in the depths of Winter with no spectators or TV coverage (for sponsors) over a Summer's weekend with the best racers in the country dragging you along in front of TV and spectators doesn't make sense.

It's frustrating knowing how awesome the show could be if even half the usual suspects from a Vic Club (for example, same down south) event had fronted up. Vic Club have 2 day meetings that are well attended so cost is not the issue, it's more to do with the attitude of the average racer. Congrats to the racers who do front up and put on a great show all the same.

[Robert Taylor]

Take Mrs Codgeyoleracer shopping in Halcome, Glen!
I tried suggesting that to Ken (KS34) for Mrs KS34, too.

You're welcome!

Try Bennydale for shopping.....

[Robert Taylor]

Nah, there are swags of riders turning up to the Tri-Series from all over the joint, and it's standing room only at a Vic Club event at Minefeild........yet few want to race at even their local National's event. Sure cost is always a factor for any event it's the nature of the sport, but to choose racing in the depths of Winter with no spectators or TV coverage (for sponsors) over a Summer's weekend with the best racers in the country dragging you along in front of TV and spectators doesn't make sense.

It's frustrating knowing how awesome the show could be if even half the usual suspects from a Vic Club (for example, same down south) event had fronted up. Vic Club have 2 day meetings that are well attended so cost is not the issue, it's more to do with the attitude of the average racer. Congrats to the racers who do front up and put on a great show all the same.

Maybe in part its because the Nationals are being run at a time of the year when most sane people want to actually be on holiday? With the addition of the Tri Series and pre season testing prior it runs almost seamlessly into the Nationals and there is pretty much no spare time right through until March or so. Even the most hardcore racers and lovers of motorycle road racing would want some time out. Im saying that maybe the summer racing is getting a little too intense with current timetabling.

[wharfy]

Maybe in part its because the Nationals are being run at a time of the year when most sane people want to actually be on holiday? With the addition of the Tri Series and pre season testing prior it runs almost seamlessly into the Nationals and there is pretty much no spare time right through until March or so. Even the most hardcore racers and lovers of motorycle road racing would want some time out. Im saying that maybe the summer racing is getting a little too intense with current timetabling.

Yes it is a bit intense, when you have Paeroa, the week before and Sound of Thunder on the same weekend :(
If I can improve my average from crashing every second meeting I MIGHT be tempted to help make up the numbers at the North Island rounds next year (if I cam qualify)

[Kevin G]

So how popular do you think it would be to look at something like 5-6 rounds over 7-8 months for the Nationals? It would be more expensive overall but easier on the body and cashflow.
Perhaps we can add this as a possible discussion topic at the road race workshop at the MNZ conference?

Would people be interested in utilising a freight service for bikes and bits if available assuming pickups in each major centre and delivery to the circuits on the Thursday night or Friday morning, all gear picked up on Sunday and dropped at the major centres again?
Everyone could be allocated a certain volume for bike and gear and we try and get a freight company on board at good rates or maybe as a sponsor (wishful thinking probably).
Then simply fly in, get together with a rental van for transport over the weekend, (think of the van racing as well, lots of fun) race ya bikes and fly home.

Just thoughts

Kevin Goddard
MNZ ON Road Board Member.

[Robert Taylor]

So how popular do you think it would be to look at something like 5-6 rounds over 7-8 months for the Nationals? It would be more expensive overall but easier on the body and cashflow.
Perhaps we can add this as a possible discussion topic at the road race workshop at the MNZ conference?

Would people be interested in utilising a freight service for bikes and bits if available assuming pickups in each major centre and delivery to the circuits on the Thursday night or Friday morning, all gear picked up on Sunday and dropped at the major centres again?
Everyone could be allocated a certain volume for bike and gear and we try and get a freight company on board at good rates or maybe as a sponsor (wishful thinking probably).
Then simply fly in, get together with a rental van for transport over the weekend, (think of the van racing as well, lots of fun) race ya bikes and fly home.

Just thoughts

Kevin Goddard
MNZ ON Road Board Member.

Its very difficult to please everyone but those ideas have merit worthy of discussion. The road race Nationals also have to be very mindful of support infrastructure including the industry from which a lot of the money for people to go racing comes from, either directly or indirectly.

[Kevin G]

I see a few comments about what is going on in Aus re control tyres etc.
Having seen the supp regs re the control tyre for super bikes, it is a Dunlop D211 and they cost the riders $595 AUD a set. They are allowed 4 sets per weekend That's $780 in our paso per set.
Entry fees SBK $495 plus $295 for a garage, plus $225 for the practice day, that's NZ$ 1,335!!
And then the travel, try driving to Perth from Brisbane 4,400 k's one way!
So is it better over the Tassie?

[Kevin G]

Its very difficult to please everyone but those ideas have merit worthy of discussion. The road race Nationals also have to be very mindful of support infrastructure including the industry from which a lot of the money for people to go racing comes from, either directly or indirectly.

Hi Robert. Yes you are right. So as a part of the industry that supports the road racing would this be better worse or makes no difference? I imagine it is worse as it is probably is more cost effective to spend three weeks in the south rather than make three seperate trips. Your trailer could always be transported in the big trucks as well.

[jellywrestler]

you pull your key out of a hat
Being from Feilding I believe there's several pastimes involving pulling a key out of a hat, and have fresh rubber on too...

[jellywrestler]

So how popular do you think it would be to look at something like 5-6 rounds over 7-8 months for the Nationals? It would be more expensive overall but easier on the body and cashflow.
Perhaps we can add this as a possible discussion topic at the road race workshop at the MNZ conference?

Everyone could be allocated a certain volume for bike and gear and we try and get a freight company on board at good rates or maybe as a sponsor (wishful thinking probably).
Then simply fly in, get together with a rental van for transport over the weekend, (think of the van racing as well, lots of fun) race ya bikes and fly home.

.
the problem with having the nationals spread acroos months pretty well excludes International competitors who give us all a benchmark to work to and help draw in the crowd. As for bulk shipping riders are spread all over the countryside and logistically theres a lot of hassle getting bikes to and from the transport etc. Also that leaves competitors without handy transport at the track.
Two bikes in a van, you've got your lot sorted, and maybe a second bike and your transport around the countryside too

[Nonbeliever]

Maybe in part its because the Nationals are being run at a time of the year when most sane people want to actually be on holiday?

Id run the nats in march / april as to avoid this issue also the weather is more settled.
As for other events, stiff shit the nats is the premier series.

[Billy]

Jeez Spyda,Get with the program will ya,Thats Ashurst where they do the key swapping thing,In Feilding you just wait for the hubby to finish and your in.

I think the biggest problem this year has been MNZ noy using comonsense when issueing permits,I counted 13 roadrace meetings from October 24 til now,If you want guys to do their local National round,Then you need too limit their options.Spreading it over 6 months or arranging a transporter wont change a thing

[Rcktfsh]

Condensing the 3 south island rounds into 2 weeks in jan would make entering easier for allot of riders, ie running teretonga on a wed. The amount of daylight down there at that time of year means you would be safe light wise to run until 8.30 and correct me if i'm wrong but noise at that hour isn't an issue at that track. With an earlyish start the programme should be able to be fitted into 1 day. Big ask for the volunteers to take a day off work but southlanders are nothing if not accommodating. Two weeks away from work instead of 3 is pretty attractive.It could also be good for spectators with a large after work turnout helped if the feature races are staged later in the day. From the south islanders point off view i'm sure they'd also be keen on back to back rounds in the north rather than having to make two trips and if a organizing club took it on why not throw in a midweek twilight round at taupo with the support class dropped so as to reduce the programme and time needed.

[CHOPPA]

I see a few comments about what is going on in Aus re control tyres etc.
Having seen the supp regs re the control tyre for super bikes, it is a Dunlop D211 and they cost the riders $595 AUD a set. They are allowed 4 sets per weekend That's $780 in our paso per set.
Entry fees SBK $495 plus $295 for a garage, plus $225 for the practice day, that's NZ$ 1,335!!
And then the travel, try driving to Perth from Brisbane 4,400 k's one way!
So is it better over the Tassie?

They get prize money and tv coverage. WHeres the TV coverage from Ruapuna!! I was told that the bill wasnt paid thats why it wasnt shown????

[Nonbeliever]

Condensing the 3 south island rounds into 2 weeks in jan would make entering easier for allot of riders.

nope, three weekends it is

[k14]

Condensing the 3 south island rounds into 2 weeks in jan would make entering easier for allot of riders, ie running teretonga on a wed. The amount of daylight down there at that time of year means you would be safe light wise to run until 8.30 and correct me if i'm wrong but noise at that hour isn't an issue at that track. With an earlyish start the programme should be able to be fitted into 1 day. Big ask for the volunteers to take a day off work but southlanders are nothing if not accommodating. Two weeks away from work instead of 3 is pretty attractive.It could also be good for spectators with a large after work turnout helped if the feature races are staged later in the day. From the south islanders point off view i'm sure they'd also be keen on back to back rounds in the north rather than having to make two trips and if a organizing club took it on why not throw in a midweek twilight round at taupo with the support class dropped so as to reduce the programme and time needed.
Wouldn't work, just too many issues and from a competitors point of view I think it is a bit dumb (sorry). Only option (and what I think really should be looked at) is to drop a round and run only 2 in south island. Ruapuna would have to be there so that leaves a flip of a coin between levels and teretonga. Probably lean towards teretonga seeing as SMCC always put on a good weekend and give motorcycling canterbury a break from having to run 2 rounds! Other option would be to have the burt munro weekend a championship round and still have the other two in january over two weekends. Yes does mean two trips down but spaced apart by around 2 months. Another option could be to run two rounds pre christmas in north island and two in january in south.

[CHOPPA]

what are you on drugs were you not at minefeild last weekend?

Honda paid me to let you guys beat me! I havnt got my cheque from them for Hampton Downs so i guess you guys are on your own for R5?

Theres gotta be some sorta wager we can put on it?

[gixerracer]

OK I bet you that I beat you!
Honda paid me to let you guys beat me! I havnt got my cheque from them for Hampton Downs so i guess you guys are on your own for R5?

Theres gotta be some sorta wager we can put on it?

[gixerracer]

The racing is way better over the ditch but is also way more expensive people here dont realise how cheap racing at national level in NZ is. As sloan pointed out they do get good prize money and TV coverage so this does make getting sponsorship a bit easier .
I see a few comments about what is going on in Aus re control tyres etc.
Having seen the supp regs re the control tyre for super bikes, it is a Dunlop D211 and they cost the riders $595 AUD a set. They are allowed 4 sets per weekend That's $780 in our paso per set.
Entry fees SBK $495 plus $295 for a garage, plus $225 for the practice day, that's NZ$ 1,335!!
And then the travel, try driving to Perth from Brisbane 4,400 k's one way!
So is it better over the Tassie?

[Kickaha]

the problem with having the nationals spread acroos months pretty well excludes International competitors who give us all a benchmark to work to and help draw in the crowd.

Realistically though how many international competitors do we get and how many people come because of that?

[Drew]

As for other events, stiff shit the nats is the premier series. The nats are meant to be the premier event, just doesn't get as many entrants. So who should it be stiff shit for the way things are at the moment?

[Drew]

Theres gotta be some sorta wager we can put on it?

Loser wears a dress to every round of the nats next year. Which must be worn the whole time except for twenty minutes either side of riding.

[woodyracer]

The racing is way better over the ditch but is also way more expensive people here dont realise how cheap racing at national level in NZ is. As sloan pointed out they do get good prize money and TV coverage so this does make getting sponsorship a bit easier .

Fuck its funny when new zealands best superbike riders resort to bitching at each other on KB........ahahha continue as you were....

[jellywrestler]

Realistically though how many international competitors do we get and how many people come because of that?
Any sport that has international competitors tends to draw out the public more, whether or not they are good or not peoples perception that there's international competitors, "it must be better", does I'm sure lure a few to the track.
On top of this its a great chance to see where you fit outisde of NZ, or at least some sort of guideline and there have been a number of friendships with visitors that have led to rides in their countries.
Its still a factor to toss into this discussion

[Kickaha]

Fuck its funny when new zealands best superbike riders resort to bitching at each other on KB........ahahha continue as you were....

NZs best? it's only gixxerracer :bleh:

[woodyracer]

NZs best? it's only gixxerracer :bleh:

yea well gixxeracer does no how to ride the little honda.....

[Drew]

Fuck its funny when new zealands best superbike riders resort to bitching at each other on KB........ahahha continue as you were....I haven't seen any bitching.


Any sport that has international competitors tends to draw out the public more, whether or not they are good or not peoples perception that there's international competitors, "it must be better", does I'm sure lure a few to the track.
On top of this its a great chance to see where you fit outisde of NZ, or at least some sort of guideline and there have been a number of friendships with visitors that have led to rides in their countries.
Its still a factor to toss into this discussionBugden is the current New Zealand champ. Check out his best result in world super stock, international riders or not, the sport has to grow here before we'll know where anyone fits in overseas.

[woodyracer]

I haven't seen any bitching.

Bugden is the current New Zealand champ. Check out his best result in world super stock, international riders or not, the sport has to grow here before we'll know where anyone fits in overseas.

Id say raciing is big enough.......there is people i can see who will be racign overseas'...they jsut need time..

[sosman]

Trackdays is where it's at!....Mu haha!

[Drew]

Id say raciing is big enough.......there is people i can see who will be racign overseas'...they jsut need time..

Let's talk Sketchy Glen then shall we. He's fuckin amazing on a bike. More tallent in his little finger than I've got in my entire body. How long would you like to give him in New Zealand before he's at an international level? Answer is, get out as soon as possible Glen. Go live over seas and come home when you can be labeled a hasbeen. Own the supersport title here and go develope as a rider where the talent pool will actually push you to be the best, because not enough gifted people show up at our races.

Same for Sam Love, and any other young guys who are clearly gifted.

[woodyracer]

Let's talk Sketchy Glen then shall we. He's fuckin amazing on a bike. More tallent in his little finger than I've got in my entire body. How long would you like to give him in New Zealand before he's at an international level? Answer is, get out as soon as possible Glen. Go live over seas and come home when you can be labeled a hasbeen. Own the supersport title here and go develope as a rider where the talent pool will actually push you to be the best, because not enough gifted people show up at our races.

Same for Sam Love, and any other young guys who are clearly gifted.

dont go overboard with positivty........why you saying nick cole,karl morgan,james smith arnt talented??.......theres alot of talent in new zealand..there jsut isnt the money to get them overseas.....

[scracha]

Loser wears a dress to every round of the nats next year. Which must be worn the whole time except for twenty minutes either side of riding.

We're back to the keys in the jar thing aren't we?


dont go overboard with positivty........why you saying nick cole,karl morgan,james smith arnt talented??.......theres alot of talent in new zealand..there jsut isnt the money to get them overseas.....
Bullshit. For sure it's a huge gamble for a talented racer jacking in their job, selling their bike and farking off overseas but a plane ticket and camper van aint that expensive. Costs here to get into racing vs Europe are minimal. Hell, what with the hectic short summer programme and lower costs, we should be trying to attract young foreign riders HERE to make a name for themselves. If the nats here aren't trying to attract international riders then we'd be as well just jacking it in and sending our top riders to OZ or further afield. Spreading out the nats over a longer period of time is just stupid.

[gixerracer]

PFFFTT Nick Cole and James Smith they got no talent Nicks to fat he shouldnt even be allowed to race a motorbike and as for james he is at the other end of scale he is that fuckn scrawny I dont even understand how he can stand up on them little chicken legs
dont go overboard with positivty........why you saying nick cole,karl morgan,james smith arnt talented??.......theres alot of talent in new zealand..there jsut isnt the money to get them overseas.....

[gixerracer]

na he all shit when was the last time he won a race that wasnt a street race????? 200fuckn6 and that was on a 6hundy he cant ride a super to save himself
yea well gixxeracer does no how to ride the little honda.....

[Kickaha]

yea well gixxeracer does no how to ride the little honda.....

Last time I watched he was busy crashing it

[scracha]

PFFFTT Nick Cole and James Smith they got no talent Nicks to fat he shouldnt even be allowed to race a motorbike and as for james he is at the other end of scale he is that fuckn scrawny I dont even understand how he can stand up on them little chicken legs
He's not fat, he's "pleasantly plump"

[woodyracer]

Hahhaah nick cole aint fat he lost 20kg...remember??,....look at the italian riders they pretty small........valentino is 63kg....thats less then what i weigh.....

I swear someone has hacked your account.......that deffinitly cant be a 30+ year old talking......ahahhaah

[gixerracer]

he is so ppppppphhhhhhhhat he was huge before thats all
Hahhaah nick cole aint fat he lost 20kg...remember??,....look at the italian riders they pretty small........valentino is 63kg....thats less then what i weigh.....

I swear someone has hacked your account.......that deffinitly cant be a 30+ year old talking......ahahhaah

[woodyracer]

he is so ppppppphhhhhhhhat he was huge before thats all

well if hes so fat he msut be a realy good rider to keep up with all the other little fella's.....

[scracha]

he is so ppppppphhhhhhhhat he was huge before thats all

Can you throw in some "your mother" comments too?

[quickbuck]

He's not fat, he's "pleasantly plump"

Ummm,
Think that one got lost in translation..... Unless..
Are we still talking keys?

Actually i can see this thing turning Orange pretty soon...

BUT Scratcha, you do have a point re internationals coming to NZ to race.
In fact we do have a "Smart" little fella come down here who could see how it was great to race against us...

[speedracerjimmy]

PFFFTT Nick Cole and James Smith they got no talent Nicks to fat he shouldnt even be allowed to race a motorbike and as for james he is at the other end of scale he is that fuckn scrawny I dont even understand how he can stand up on them little chicken legs

these chicken legs are gna make you my bit@h at hamptons.
Hope you enjoyed ur little time in 3rd in points shame you aint gna stay there.
catch you in a couple of weeks windy

[Kickaha]

Hahhaah nick cole aint fat he lost 20kg...remember??,...

Really? it doesn't show

[nick2slow]

wat eva old man u cant hurt no 1s feelings!! hope chicken legs kains your ass at hampton. u all washed up

[suzuki21]

Any sport that has international competitors tends to draw out the public more, whether or not they are good or not peoples perception that there's international competitors, "it must be better", does I'm sure lure a few to the track.
On top of this its a great chance to see where you fit outisde of NZ, or at least some sort of guideline and there have been a number of friendships with visitors that have led to rides in their countries.
Its still a factor to toss into this discussion

All females only went to the street races to watch Seato as he said so.
Gman 2009 Dutch Superbike champion, 7th in a World Superstock race, near front in German supers. He tried so hard to win NZSBK here, so yeah - we do have some damned good riders in NZ that can compete at a high level overseas. (Except for Craig as he is too old to be allowed on a plane)

[scracha]

wat eva old man u cant hurt no 1s feelings!! hope chicken legs kains your ass at hampton. u all washed up

This thread is awesome

[Nonbeliever]

can someone remind me what the original topic was? lol

[jellywrestler]

can someone remind me what the original topic was? lol Whats happened is the Sidecar boys, who were keeping the solos entertained with their comments, have quietened down; so the Solos now have to feed off each other.
There's only three more sleep till Hampton Downs, if you're a P addict, 18 for normal folk so all this shit talk should see a few of the lads getting wedgies up there I'm picking, or going harder on the track.
As for Shirriffs results this season, he did get a lap record in the first race at Levels, and has shown his face at the front of the field on the odd occasion in some races maybe he can do some more of that at Hampton Downs??

[Robert Taylor]

Whats happened is the Sidecar boys, who were keeping the solos entertained with their comments, have quietened down; so the Solos now have to feed off each other.
There's only three more sleep till Hampton Downs, if you're a P addict, 18 for normal folk so all this shit talk should see a few of the lads getting wedgies up there I'm picking, or going harder on the track.
As for Shirriffs results this season, he did get a lap record in the first race at Levels, and has shown his face at the front of the field on the odd occasion in some races maybe he can do some more of that at Hampton Downs??


Mate there will be more than a few people celebrating when against the odds Craig can score his first Superbike nationals win. The Hondas have a horespower deficiency against the Suzukis ( mainly midrange ) and its always a delight seeing Craig ride the wheels off his Honda.
I am proud to call Craig my very very good friend.

[codgyoleracer]

Mate there will be more than a few people celebrating when against the odds Craig can score his first Superbike nationals win. The Hondas have a horespower deficiency against the Suzukis ( mainly midrange ) and its always a delight seeing Craig ride the wheels off his Honda.
I am proud to call Craig my very very good friend.

Gaaawd, now i know who was buying it that merlot for you at Ruapuna.................

[slowpoke]

Would people be interested in utilising a freight service for bikes and bits if available assuming pickups in each major centre and delivery to the circuits on the Thursday night or Friday morning, all gear picked up on Sunday and dropped at the major centres again?
Everyone could be allocated a certain volume for bike and gear and we try and get a freight company on board at good rates or maybe as a sponsor (wishful thinking probably).
Then simply fly in, get together with a rental van for transport over the weekend, (think of the van racing as well, lots of fun) race ya bikes and fly home.

Just thoughts

Kevin Goddard
MNZ ON Road Board Member.

While it won't suit everyone, it would definitely be an option for those doing it on a budget or limiting time off work. Set up a container with tie down points for bikes and big bins/racks for your spares/tools etc, ship it to trackside and it would work out very cost effective. Maybe even have one large marquee for the riders involved rather than shipping individual ezi-ups, and one large genny. It could be an investment by MNZ, eventually paid for by the competitors or great exposure for a shipping company(container), party hire (marquee), hire service (generator). Hell, throw in a compressor and tyre machine and it would be self sufficient.

Stroudy took all my gear down South and I just flew backwards and forwards as it suited. With $59 flights between Wellington and Christchurch it wasn't a bad way to go. I did it mostly for family reasons but it would also work well for someone wanting to limit time off work. I'd be keen to do it that way again if the option was available.

[slowpoke]

Mate there will be more than a few people celebrating when against the odds Craig can score his first Superbike nationals win. The Hondas have a horespower deficiency against the Suzukis ( mainly midrange ) and its always a delight seeing Craig ride the wheels off his Honda.
I am proud to call Craig my very very good friend.

Yep, be good to see him crack it. You guys certainly had the Honda hooked up at Manfeild, Robert. For better or worse seeing Craig coming out of Dunlop still well keeled over with the front wheel lofted was worth the price of admission alone.....hang on it was free wasn't it? He's not just a Feilding Fashionista, he can fuggin' ride alright.

[Robert Taylor]

Just a point of clarification, there are no factory riders in New Zealand. There are a handful of distributor riders in New Zealand and the amount of support is limited by the size of our tiny economy.
Just also as a point of reference In Europe Ohlins dont sponsor anyone ( they dont have to ) The factory teams buy the suspension and then contract for the use of a suspension technician. In the case of Yamaha MotoGP the suspension bill they recieve per season for Rossi and Lorenzo is 1 million euros. So you can imagine what it costs to run the entire team, irrespective of who is paying......
In NZ racing is cheap, fact. Especially so when so much is done out of goodwill.

[Maido]

In NZ racing is cheap, fact. Especially so when so much is done out of goodwill.

Rabbit Ranch is not cheap Robert! lol

[Robert Taylor]

Gaaawd, no i know who was buying it that merlot for you at Ruapuna.................

Too many people were buying me merlot!!!

[Pussy]

Too many people were buying me merlot!!!

That makes a change from the "chateau methylated spirit" you're normally on, RT.... :whistle:

[Robert Taylor]

Yep, be good to see him crack it. You guys certainly had the Honda hooked up at Manfeild, Robert. For better or worse seeing Craig coming out of Dunlop still well keeled over with the front wheel lofted was worth the price of admission alone.....hang on it was free wasn't it? He's not just a Feilding Fashionista, he fuggin' ride alright.
Thanks for that, that only comes from sheer bloody minded hard work and by providing a PROPER suspension service that will make more than just 2 or 3 riders fast and competitive.

All spring options in stock at all times, very liberal exchange service

Its more than about just twiddling clickers, if a revalve is required to optimise to the track then we jolly well do it and in fact push such an agenda with riders.

Sticking for the most part to Ohlins setting banks and not arrogantly assuming we know more than the very powerful intellect and empirical experience of the Ohlins factory.

And while we are talking about Superbikes ( add 600s ) just imagine what a wobbly jelly that CBR1000 would be with stock or modified stock suspension. Even in modified form it would turn to mush after as early as two laps due to too much disparity in temperature expansion of components, causing fade. Add into that you just cannot do a valving change in as little as 10 minutes, you cant add spring preload in as little as 10 seconds etc etc. Also an ability to do geometry changes very quickly via ride height adjusters...............................Stock suspension is by no means designed to be worked on or worked on quickly, exactly why aftermarket quality suspension exists. Even those that have marketed aftermarket kits for stock suspension have effectively admitted defeat by now making their own shocks and cartridge insert kits e.g Race Tech, K-Tech.

[Robert Taylor]

That makes a change from the "chateau methylated spirit" you're normally on, RT.... :whistle:

No, 19 cst fork oil, a more hardcore brew than your preferred 15cst tipple!!!

[Pussy]

No, 19 cst fork oil, a more hardcore brew than your preferred 15cst tipple!!!

Very good!
I deserved that!! :)

[Drew]

dont go overboard with positivty........why you saying nick cole,karl morgan,james smith arnt talented??.......theres alot of talent in new zealand..there jsut isnt the money to get them overseas.....
Those guys are awesome, I wasn't intending to take away from that. I'm saying that if the only experience they have is at New Zealand level as it is, and they go overseas, they're gonna get their arses handed to them for some time before they become competetitive.

I'm not saying the depth of the talent pool here is lacking, I'm saying that the events dont get it all in one place, at the same time. If the level of competition doesn't get any better, then those with the talent are wasting their time here.

I love the sport, and want nothing more than for it to be huge. I just think it should be better promoted, and better orchestrated.

[CHOPPA]

The Hondas have a horespower deficiency against the Suzukis ( mainly midrange ) and its always a delight seeing Craig ride the wheels off his Honda.


It is cool to watch Craig ride, he always seems to be sideways or leaving fat black lines! He is still gay though!

[CHOPPA]

these chicken legs are gna make you my bit@h at hamptons.
Hope you enjoyed ur little time in 3rd in points shame you aint gna stay there.
catch you in a couple of weeks windy

Its on like donkey kong hahahahahaha

[Squiggles]

very very good friend.

Sounds gay.
*runs*

[Rcktfsh]

Seeing as how my 3 South island rnds in 2 weeks suggestions appears about as popular as pork dishes at a Bar Mitzvah what are peoples thoughts on dropping a South Island round so that it would only mean 2 weekends in a row down South in January followed by 2 weekends in a row up North in February therefore condensing the calender and shortening the time required away from work. With the supers & 600's currently having 2 races per round over 5 rounds adding up to a 10 race championship why not increase this to 3 races per round resulting in a 12 race championship over 4 rounds. With the resurgence in the street stock class this should also be standardised as the support class over the championship, long term this is likely to feed more riders into the feature classes than running clubmans or posties as support. If 3 races are run for the feature classes this could place extra pressure on the days timetable so support may need to be pared back to 2 races a meeting or easier still just get drop that group of bickering gay bar loitering racers known as sidecars. Bringing the Bert Munroe into the calender would be a backward step in that it would require a stand alone trip to Invers, the weather is dubious at best at that time of year and thirdly the event has a special character with the hill climb, beach races, teretonga then street race, this format would require altering if a 2 day nat round where to be incorperated.

[Rcktfsh]

Sounds gay.
*runs*

or delusional

[wharfy]

Seeing as how my 3 South island rnds in 2 weeks suggestions appears about as popular as pork dishes at a Bar Mitzvah what are peoples thoughts on dropping a South Island round so that it would only mean 2 weekends in a row down South in January followed by 2 weekends in a row up North in February therefore condensing the calender and shortening the time required away from work. With the supers & 600's currently having 2 races per round over 5 rounds adding up to a 10 race championship why not increase this to 3 races per round resulting in a 12 race championship over 4 rounds. With the resurgence in the street stock class this should also be standardised as the support class over the championship, long term this is likely to feed more riders into the feature classes than running clubmans or posties as support. If 3 races are run for the feature classes this could place extra pressure on the days timetable so support may need to be pared back to 2 races a meeting or easier still just get drop that group of bickering gay bar loitering racers known as sidecars. Bringing the Bert Munroe into the calender would be a backward step in that it would require a stand alone trip to Invers, the weather is dubious at best at that time of year and thirdly the event has a special character with the hill climb, beach races, teretonga then street race, this format would require altering if a 2 day nat round where to be incorperated.

Sounds OK to me, (but keep the sidecars :) ) time off work is a "biggie" for a lot of people. If there were more races would we need a support class ? I thought they were there to fill in spare time.

[Rcktfsh]

Street stock is where the future F3/600 and superbike riders will come from and have also provided the biggest fields when they have been included this year so I'm very much in favour of including them.

[Billy]

Yip,Streetstock is a must,As youve pointed out its a feeder class,In fact Ive heard it mentioned that possibly F3 be dropped as a national championship as its not a feeder class to anywhere

[Rcktfsh]

Yip,Streetstock is a must,As youve pointed out its a feeder class,In fact Ive heard it mentioned that possibly F3 be dropped as a national championship as its not a feeder class to anywhere

I hope not, the racing at the front has been awesome this season over the 3 races at manfeild there was never more than a bike length between Glen & Jason at the flag fall. This class also allows tuners allot of freedom when building up bikes keeping alive the no8 wire ethos which are important to the sport.

[codgyoleracer]

Yip,Streetstock is a must,As youve pointed out its a feeder class,In fact Ive heard it mentioned that possibly F3 be dropped as a national championship as its not a feeder class to anywhere

HaHa - you been sniffing that acetone to much Billy, QUOTE : "Ive heard it mentioned" is pretty rock solid stuff mate.......... :-)

[Billy]

Yeah and isocyanate and styrene and blah blah blah,All I said was Id heard it mentioned,Not that it was definitely happening,But think about the frontrunners in that class and where they are heading,Willit be too superbike or 600 SP or are they settled where they are,Seems too me it would be a seamless progression from Pro-lite 250 to Pro Twins and on to a 600 or superbike from there.Its just a suggestion not a rule change

[slowpoke]

With the resurgence in the street stock class this should also be standardised as the support class over the championship, long term this is likely to feed more riders into the feature classes than running clubmans or posties as support.

Not so keen on this idea. Absolutely they are the feeder class at club level but I don't think they make great viewing for spectators at what are supposed to be showcase National events. As a spectator I would want to see good lookin' bikes, makin' lotsa nice noises at an impressive speed. No offence meant, they are a great intro, but I'm not sure they're suited to what is the biggest stage for road racing in NZ. We are struggling to get good crowds at our events and I think we need to be mindful of keeping people "on the hook" if/when they do show up.

[Billy]

Assuming MNZ and the 2 distributors that are backing the new Pro lites class get their way and we get full feilds of up to 20 bikes (and believe me its heading that way already)Are you saying its better too watch the same 3 bikes battle it out at every round or would it be more entertaining too see the lead swapping every corner or 2 as was witnessed this year with streetstock with no less than 4 different race winners over 4 rounds ??

The first signof insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.The time for change is now and lets hope the new roadrace commission can see that

[slowpoke]

I dunno mate, I can see where you are coming from, and these youngsters could well be the future of the sport, if they aren't bankrupt before they're 20 from trying to run a Nat's campaign, lol.

Maybe we need to be talking to Joe Public about what they want/like to see? Do we even care? Are the Nat's about showcasing our sport to the public, generating interest and growing the sport that way, or is it about growing the sport from youngsters and ignoring how it looks from the outside? If the National's are about comparing the most talented riders from throughout the country is it appropriate that we include a class that is at what is basically the first rung of competition? Are we trying to attract more spectators or more riders?

Lotsa questions but hopefully MNZ and our stellar new road racing committee will have a master plan that will grow the sport.....and as you say, hopefully it is something new not just more of the same.

[woodyracer]

I dunno mate, I can see where you are coming from, and these youngsters could well be the future of the sport, if they aren't bankrupt before they're 20 from trying to run a Nat's campaign, lol.

Maybe we need to be talking to Joe Public about what they want/like to see? Do we even care? Are the Nat's about showcasing our sport to the public, generating interest and growing the sport that way, or is it about growing the sport from youngsters and ignoring how it looks from the outside? If the National's are about comparing the most talented riders from throughout the country is it appropriate that we include a class that is at what is basically the first rung of competition? Are we trying to attract more spectators or more riders?

Lotsa questions but hopefully MNZ and our stellar new road racing committee will have a master plan that will grow the sport.....and as you say, hopefully it is something new not just more of the same.

i disagree, the streetstock class is great to watch and race in, at the nats it was huge.....how do you expect superbike riders to keep coming if your not willing to give streetstock riders a fair chance?

[gixerracer]

Its on like donkey kong hahahahahaha

Im starting to feel a little un easy about this last meeting

[gixerracer]

robert taylor as been trying to get me to swallow for ages but i dont care how mch nice shit he says im just not going to do it so just give it a rest robert please

[Robert Taylor]

robert taylor as been trying to get me to swallow for ages but i dont care how mch nice shit he says im just not going to do it so just give it a rest robert please

No your teeth arent pretty enough boy......

[suzuki21]

The first signof insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.The time for change is now and lets hope the new roadrace commission can see that

The F3 class is turning into either post classic 250's, 400's or modified twins. I thought the stock racing was quite good which suprised me. Re: superbike, the public wont give a shit if bikes are doing 6's or 8's at Manfield it will still be exciting to watch. A lot of people watch NZV8's - they arent supercars but they look like it, make a noise, and have close racing.

[CHOPPA]

The F3 class is turning into either post classic 250's, 400's or modified twins. I thought the stock racing was quite good which suprised me. Re: superbike, the public wont give a shit if bikes are doing 6's or 8's at Manfield it will still be exciting to watch. A lot of people watch NZV8's - they arent supercars but they look like it, make a noise, and have close racing.

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

[codgyoleracer]

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

Yip & there are a couple of mobile dynos around

[slowpoke]

i disagree, the streetstock class is great to watch and race in, at the nats it was huge.....how do you expect superbike riders to keep coming if your not willing to give streetstock riders a fair chance?

I like your enthusiasm, but I'm not so sure about your impartiality, lol. You're in an awful rush to to start racking up some big bills with a Nat's campaign, there's plenty of time to bankrupt yourself later in lafe.

[snapoff]

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

[Billy]

So 6 years ago when Stroudy,Brian Bernard and Tony Rees all qualified in the very high 7s and low 8s was a fuck up then?

[k14]

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,
I don't think it is enough evidence to pass judgement. From what I heard, Tony had little to no prior time to test so is fairly premature to say they will be slower than 600's. From what I can tell the superstock regs are basically identical to the 600 regs, so with some time and development they should be able to do at least 1.06's at manfeild.

As for streetstock being a nationals class, absolutely agree. It is a brilliant class and the racing is awesome to watch! Maybe you could make it that only the riders best 3 or 4 rounds count. Something that could also be looked into for the bigger classes too. Have 5 rounds but only your best 4 rounds are counted. That means north island competitors only come down south for 2 weekends and south island competitors can either do all 3 SI rounds and one NI round, or two south and two north.

[Drew]

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.


Yip & there are a couple of mobile dynos aroundIs gearing a freely allowed mod? I only ask as you can dyno my bike now with the gearing left on it pretty low and it'll read differently with nothing more than a sproket swap.

[Tony.OK]

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

Maybe to keen bikers times are important, but I'd guess that Joe public wouldn't care what the times were, especially between different classes...................its the noise and speed along with close racing that people are after.

The car racing is a good example............V8's are supposed to be the best/fastest but most open wheelers at the same meetings, and even the Porshe's are faster..................no one compares the seperate classes.

Craig can correct me if I'm wrong, but he was doing 1.07's on his Blade still in stock form (suspension excluded), and that was fantasic to watch............the man is bonkers on any bike.

[KS34]

So 6 years ago when Stroudy,Brian Bernard and Tony Rees all qualified in the very high 7s and low 8s was a fuck up then?

Good point the other point that is valid is that a 1:08 (Tony Rees) and Andrew Stroud did a 1:05.8 is only just over 2 sec difference, and Andrew was on slicks, Openstock production also helps entrants further down the field (like me) to qualify which means more will be able/likely to enter.

[Nonbeliever]

Is gearing a freely allowed mod? I only ask as you can dyno my bike now with the gearing left on it pretty low and it'll read differently with nothing more than a sproket swap.

if mr dynoman knows what he's doing this'll be accounted for.

[Nonbeliever]

but I'd guess that Joe public wouldn't care what the times were, especially between different classes...................its the noise and speed along with close racing that people are after..

true, imagine a grid of 25(allmost stock) litrebikes and ther'll be some great racing, even better racing with a control tyre rule.

who cares if they're 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc seconds off lap record pace.Most guys just want to dice with others and have a blast.

[Drew]

if mr dynoman knows what he's doing this'll be accounted for.Unless he does a control run on a standard version of all the bikes first, how?

[Drew]

true, imagine a grid of 25(allmost stock) litrebikes and ther'll be some great racing, even better racing with a control tyre rule.

who cares if they're 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc seconds off lap record pace.Most guys just want to dice with others and have a blast.I agree that a 25 strong field would be great, but I think you'll find the results wont vary much from what they do now. Craig, Andrew, Robbie, Hayden, and Sloan will gap it, then it will be a bigger battle for what's left.

I'd love to run superstock, if I could afford a new bike it's what I'd race. For now though all I can afford is the big boys cast offs, and my results would be little better if any, were I on the same bike they are.

To put it differently, if I chucked TTX suspension front and rear on my bike, I'll wager Craig could hop on it and be pumping 6's and 7's by the end of a days testing. Qualify that with the rediculusly cheap purchase of the bike, and I see no cost advantages in superstock for the average punter.

The ex Stroud K4 on trademe for the last two years would make most peoples eye's bleed before they got it near it's limit, and it's only 12k

[jellywrestler]

In Feilding you just wait for the hubby to finish and your in.



there are people legally married in Fielding????

[Billy]

Fuck!!!!That explains everything

[Robert Taylor]

there are people legally married in Fielding????

That excludes Craig!!!!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Good point the other point that is valid is that a 1:08 (Tony Rees) and Andrew Stroud did a 1:05.8 is only just over 2 sec difference, and Andrew was on slicks, Openstock production also helps entrants further down the field (like me) to qualify which means more will be able/likely to enter.

Tonys competitiveness and laptimes will now improve as we have just removed the piston kits teamed with stock cartridges and fitted Ohlins NIX30 cartridges. Yamaha have no budget to pay for this, it is on loan as I both happen to have a lot of time for Tony and wish to see whats possible. But also bear in mind that Tony has not exactly done a lot of racing recently!

[Robert Taylor]

Maybe to keen bikers times are important, but I'd guess that Joe public wouldn't care what the times were, especially between different classes...................its the noise and speed along with close racing that people are after.

The car racing is a good example............V8's are supposed to be the best/fastest but most open wheelers at the same meetings, and even the Porshe's are faster..................no one compares the seperate classes.

Craig can correct me if I'm wrong, but he was doing 1.07's on his Blade still in stock form (suspension excluded), and that was fantasic to watch............the man is bonkers on any bike.

I think it was 8s but Craig can clarify.

Still not as fast as the 1.07s a certain suspension fiddler claims he can do on a ZX10, yet to be witnessed!!! Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick, maybe its 1.07s on the abbreviated Motard circuit????

[Robert Taylor]

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

Little recent racing

No time for optimisation

Stock fairings and heavy stuff still on bike

Tony will go quite a bit faster yet with more time in the saddle and development

[Robert Taylor]

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

I can both see the merits of Supersock and the merits of retaining what we have. In fact one of the biggest accelerators of ongoing and often crippling costs is raising the rev ceiling of these engines. The stress goes up exponentially as does shortening the lifespan of components.

[Billy]

Now now Robert,Dont exaggerate,He only claimed to have done 1.08s,However as I understand it that was achieved 2 up,Bwahahahahahahahahaha,As stated unwitnessed at this stage

[Robert Taylor]

Now now Robert,Dont exaggerate,He only claimed to have done 1.08s,However as I understand it that was achieved 2 up,Bwahahahahahahahahaha,As stated unwitnessed at this stage

I heard 1.07s, clearly. Those engaged in fantasy / attention deficit disorders or blatant lying best be blessed by impeccable memory!!!

[k14]

I think it was 8s but Craig can clarify.

Still not as fast as the 1.07s a certain suspension fiddler claims he can do on a ZX10, yet to be witnessed!!! Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick, maybe its 1.07s on the abbreviated Motard circuit????
Nah I'm sure a man of his ability would be able to do the long circuit in that time...

[Drew]

Now here's a turn I didn't think would crop up, but I eagerly await a retort.

[Robert Taylor]

Now here's a turn I didn't think would crop up, but I eagerly await a retort.

How about putting up to match the brazen BS that falls out of ones mouth, or if unable to match the fantasy shutting up?

[Robert Taylor]

Enough said

[Kickaha]

Nah I'm sure a man of his ability would be able to do the long circuit in that time...

I could do it on my Bucket

[Pussy]

I heard 1.07s, clearly. Those engaged in fantasy / attention deficit disorders or blatant lying best be blessed by impeccable memory!!!

He told me the same bullshit too.
Right after he was telling me he is rated to fly the P-51, F4U series, and spent time flying F-4s in Afghanistan for the USAF.

He would be THE MOST highly qualified bullshit artist I have met... he has a masters degree with honours in the subject

[Robert Taylor]

I could do it on my Bucket

While eating a pork pie with your spare hand and reciting in graphic your time doing covert operations in Afghanistan, little doubt Warwick!

[CHOPPA]

I can both see the merits of Supersock and the merits of retaining what we have. In fact one of the biggest accelerators of ongoing and often crippling costs is raising the rev ceiling of these engines. The stress goes up exponentially as does shortening the lifespan of components.

I dont wanna pay for the engine mods but its way better riding a bike with them!

[Robert Taylor]

I dont wanna pay for the engine mods but its way better riding a bike with them!

Hey did I mess up your invoice? ( Im a compassionate capitalist)

[gixerracer]

Just sell another heat pump ya tight arse! You think about it Blue print a stock motor or build a superbike motor, there would b less then 4k difference in the cost- Cams $2000 Head plane $60-$100 clean up ports do it at home? and thats all we are really allowed to do so how is changing the rules to superstock going to put heaps more bikes on the grid??? Its kind of like pissing in the pond dont you think.
I dont wanna pay for the engine mods but its way better riding a bike with them!

[gixerracer]

Yes but they were not superstock bikes so what is your point mr Horibillyis and the bikes really dont make that much more rear whell HP now than they did back then its just a much better power and chassis and brakes have improved
So 6 years ago when Stroudy,Brian Bernard and Tony Rees all qualified in the very high 7s and low 8s was a fuck up then?

[Billy]

The point was" PIEMUNCHER" the poster was claiming that if the laptimes were slower,The racing would be a fuck up.Get with the program and read the whole thread mattressback

[slowpoke]

I can both see the merits of Supersock and the merits of retaining what we have. In fact one of the biggest accelerators of ongoing and often crippling costs is raising the rev ceiling of these engines. The stress goes up exponentially as does shortening the lifespan of components.

Same here, I can see both pro's and con's to going purely Superstock. The big question for me though: where are all the 'stock bikes? Both 600 and 1000. This was the supposed magic bullet that "everyone" was calling for, yet they haven't exactly rushed the starting grid have they?

[codgyoleracer]

If those two up times are possible - then i would kinda like to see Superstock 1000's racing two-up, of course they would all be on control Sheenko tyres which i am told are unbeliveably cheap and according to TR " slide very predictibly" and Yongshen Suspension , - Wonder who gets the lucky straw to be pillion on the white Fireblade ? - bags not me.

[scrivy]

Its kind of like pissing in the pond dont you think.

How big is the pond????

[k14]

Same here, I can see both pro's and con's to going purely Superstock. The big question for me though: where are all the 'stock bikes? Both 600 and 1000. This was the supposed magic bullet that "everyone" was calling for, yet they haven't exactly rushed the starting grid have they?
As with all new classes it takes 3-4 years before you see the impact of the rule changes come through. I think this is the third year of pro twins (or maybe 4th??) and the numbers keep increasing, along with some very good racing it is a sign of things to come and the way in which I can see a more refined 600 and 1000 class being taken up.

[Ivan]

the thing is its that everyone brought there bikes or had them built allreadywhen the new rules came out next nats is the one were you will see more as most peoplehave there nats bikein time for mid winter for testing setup etcwere as this new class came right on the natswhen the serious guys were allready testing

[CHOPPA]

Hey did I mess up your invoice? ( Im a compassionate capitalist)

I think i was trying to con James into making it cheaper, did it work?? Thanks heaps btw!!! Dennis had those forks back to my doorstep within like 24hrs!


Same here, I can see both pro's and con's to going purely Superstock. The big question for me though: where are all the 'stock bikes? Both 600 and 1000. This was the supposed magic bullet that "everyone" was calling for, yet they haven't exactly rushed the starting grid have they?

Only reason i dont like the idea of running a superstock in the superbike class is you have to ride with the fast bikes and it makes you look worse!

[gixerracer]

You can look worse????????????????
I think i was trying to con James into making it cheaper, did it work?? Thanks heaps btw!!! Dennis had those forks back to my doorstep within like 24hrs!



Only reason i dont like the idea of running a superstock in the superbike class is you have to ride with the fast bikes and it makes you look worse!

[Robert Taylor]

same here, i can see both pro's and con's to going purely superstock. The big question for me though: Where are all the 'stock bikes? Both 600 and 1000. This was the supposed magic bullet that "everyone" was calling for, yet they haven't exactly rushed the starting grid have they?

exactly so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

I think i was trying to con James into making it cheaper, did it work?? Thanks heaps btw!!! Dennis had those forks back to my doorstep within like 24hrs!



Only reason i dont like the idea of running a superstock in the superbike class is you have to ride with the fast bikes and it makes you look worse!

No it didnt work as your old mans jokes are BAD.

[Robert Taylor]

You can look worse????????????????

Craig you are so subtle. I think you should enter public relations or manage a customer complaints department...................

[koba]

Not so keen on this idea. Absolutely they are the feeder class at club level but I don't think they make great viewing for spectators at what are supposed to be showcase National events. As a spectator I would want to see good lookin' bikes, makin' lotsa nice noises at an impressive speed. No offence meant, they are a great intro, but I'm not sure they're suited to what is the biggest stage for road racing in NZ. We are struggling to get good crowds at our events and I think we need to be mindful of keeping people "on the hook" if/when they do show up.

I know this may be tripping back abit, I havn't read any further than this yet but I must really say:

It ain't about how FAST it is, it's about how CLOSE it is!

[Robert Taylor]

I know this may be tripping back abit, I havn't read any further than this yet but I must really say:

It ain't about how FAST it is, it's about how CLOSE it is!

Well then, that being the case current Superbike racing in NZ is doing that pretty well!

[gixerracer]

you get plenty of complaints i come work for you aye????
Craig you are so subtle. I think you should enter public relations or manage a customer complaints department...................

[Robert Taylor]

you get plenty of complaints i come work for you aye????

Crash test dummy?

[koba]

Well then, that being the case current Superbike racing in NZ is doing that pretty well!

Sure is, at the front.

[KS34]

sure is, at the front.
and the back!!!!!:shit:

[KS34]

Same here, I can see both pro's and con's to going purely Superstock. The big question for me though: where are all the 'stock bikes? Both 600 and 1000. This was the supposed magic bullet that "everyone" was calling for, yet they haven't exactly rushed the starting grid have they?

I dont think there will ever be a magic bullet, changes will always benefit some, but I dont think we can get it much better in NZ, look at Choppas bike and Tony OK's only to mention two , or putting a pretty much stock bike on the track, fukn chep good bikes and no one on the up take there is either no money or no one wants to race at that level. Same old problem plenty with ideas, F all with the actions.

[jellywrestler]

I am proud to call Craig my very very good friend. Is that anything to do with one of those "keys in the hat" games?????

[gixerracer]

The point was" PIEMUNCHER" the poster was claiming that if the laptimes were slower,The racing would be a fuck up.Get with the program and read the whole thread mattressback

PIEMUNCHER look you sensitive sawn off little prick you should try eating some pies then you wouldnt have the body of a 9 year old girl:innocent:

[gixerracer]

bring round your keys mate
Is that anyhting to do with one of those "keys in the hat" games?????

[Drew]

bring round your keys mate
Not that your missus aint lovely bro, but if I pick up your keys I'm just gonna steel the van with your bike in back.

[Drew]

Crash test dummy?I think I'm better qualified for the job mate.

[Rob Taylor]

I think I'm better qualified for the job mate.
You may be more qualified but your not that stupid...........

[gixerracer]

I new you woz a closet HONDA fag
Not that your missus aint lovely bro, but if I pick up your keys I'm just gonna steel the van with your bike in back.

[gixerracer]

more thinking of fixing all your F--k ups
Crash test dummy?

[gixerracer]

You need to put on your glasses grandad and then learn to read he says that it would be a fuck up to go superstock thous because the 6 hundys will be doing the same or faster lap times you dick so what would be the point unless you went to stock 600 and then we have no decent classes of propper bike racing YA
The point was" PIEMUNCHER" the poster was claiming that if the laptimes were slower,The racing would be a fuck up.Get with the program and read the whole thread mattressback

[Kickaha]

I think I'm better qualified for the job mate.

Well qualified for the dummy bit anyway

[Billy]

Only an idiot would assume that after 2 meetings on an underprepared bike and with a number of years away from the sport,That Tony was going as fast as he or the bike are capable in stock form,Aye!!!

Back to sleep now is it ?

[Robert Taylor]

more thinking of fixing all your F--k ups

Youre such a bitch..................

[snapoff]

Only an idiot would assume that after 2 meetings on an underprepared bike and with a number of years away from the sport,That Tony was going as fast as he or the bike are capable in stock form,Aye!!!

Back to sleep now is it ?

2009 Craig Shirriffs run a stock cbr1000 motor in his superbike at Ruapuna Nats ,good bike ,good pipe, good tyres ,Ohlins ,James Smith did farster lap times on a year old 600

[suzuki21]

You need to put on your glasses grandad and then learn to read he says that it would be a fuck up to go superstock thous because the 6 hundys will be doing the same or faster lap times you dick so what would be the point unless you went to stock 600 and then we have no decent classes of propper bike racing YA

If you could ride properly the 600's wouldnt be near your times, I have never imagined Billy as a 9yo girl, wouldnt he be more of a skinny trailer park cougar?

[Drew]

2009 Craig Shirriffs run a stock cbr1000 motor in his superbike at Ruapuna Nats ,good bike ,good pipe, good tyres ,Ohlins ,James Smith did farster lap times on a year old 600

Craig's old and soggy round the middle though, ya have to compare apples with apples.

[jellywrestler]

2009 Craig Shirriffs run a stock cbr1000 motor in his superbike at Ruapuna Nats ,good bike ,good pipe, good tyres ,Ohlins ,James Smith did farster lap times on a year old 600

how many years did bruce anstey hold the lap record at Ruapuna on a 250??? quicker than the Britten round there at the time too.

[gixerracer]

I dont see your point at the time the 250 was pretty modern and bruce was an amazing rider on the 250s if you bought out a current modern 250 to NZ and put a great rider on it they would lap most if not all tracks in NZ faster than our superbikes
how many years did bruce anstey hold the lap record at Ruapuna on a 250??? quicker than the Britten round there at the time too.

[gixerracer]

Big T never goes anywhere under prepd and all though he hasnt done any racing he still does more things on a bike than most of us put together and he is Tony Rees one of our greatest riders ever I think
Only an idiot would assume that after 2 meetings on an underprepared bike and with a number of years away from the sport,That Tony was going as fast as he or the bike are capable in stock form,Aye!!!

Back to sleep now is it ?

[roogazza]

Big T never goes anywhere under prepd and all though he hasnt done any racing he still does more things on a bike than most of us put together and he is Tony Rees one of our greatest riders ever I think
God help us when you and Stroud retire, the gene pool is bloody shallow. G.

[jellywrestler]

I dont see your point at the time the 250 was pretty modern and bruce was an amazing rider on the 250s if you bought out a current modern 250 to NZ and put a great rider on it they would lap most if not all tracks in NZ faster than our superbikesmy point was the Britten was the flagship then, everybody looked at it with awe and those who didn't know the technical side of it it was hard to explain that a bike a quarter of its size was faster.
Even if the lap times slow it won't make the show out there any less spectacular, maybe up to the commentators to be creative when trying to qualify the slower lap times and thats it really

[Robert Taylor]

If you could ride properly the 600's wouldnt be near your times, I have never imagined Billy as a 9yo girl, wouldnt he be more of a skinny trailer park cougar?

And youre qualified to comment? On both counts?

[Robert Taylor]

God help us when you and Stroud retire, the gene pool is bloody shallow. G.

I n defence of our young guys coming through James has shown he is pretty handy on a Superbike as has Sloan. Skatchills pretty fast on a 600 as well. Yes the pool is small but these guys and others to follow from the feeder classes are our future.

[roogazza]

I n defence of our young guys coming through James has shown he is pretty handy on a Superbike as has Sloan. Skatchills pretty fast on a 600 as well. Yes the pool is small but these guys and others to follow from the feeder classes are our future.

Hampton Downs will be a good test, new for everyone. G.

[CHOPPA]

God help us when you and Stroud retire, the gene pool is bloody shallow. G.

Maybe if they do, teams might look at investing more money in some young guys.....

[woodyracer]

I n defence of our young guys coming through James has shown he is pretty handy on a Superbike as has Sloan. Skatchills pretty fast on a 600 as well. Yes the pool is small but these guys and others to follow from the feeder classes are our future.

i agree, karl morgan, james,glen, nick ect are all good young riders, when stroud retires it will be sad......but theres plenty of people who arecoming through. Peoples negative attitude on here dosnt help.

[suzuki21]

And youre qualified to comment? On both counts?

I comment on Craigs riding to take the piss, and I have seen Billy partially naked. So I guess I am.

[suzuki21]

i agree, karl morgan, james,glen, nick ect are all good young riders, when stroud retires it will be sad......but theres plenty of people who arecoming through. Peoples negative attitude on here dosnt help.

There should be more though, I think the "Y" generation cant understand that everything isnt handed to them on a silver plate and they have to work hard for it. Trying to get people under 25 to do overtime at work impossible. I remember all the newly retired and semi retired riders used to have multiple jobs or work long hours just so they could race in the weekend.

[Robert Taylor]

I comment on Craigs riding to take the piss, and I have seen Billy partially naked. So I guess I am.

Ive got chicken legs that are not quite as extreme as yours, the difference being that I have the good taste to cover them up in public. I would also be a slow rider on the track, I have good taste in that respect as well!!!

[Robert Taylor]

There should be more though, I think the "Y" generation cant understand that everything isnt handed to them on a silver plate and they have to work hard for it. Trying to get people under 25 to do overtime at work impossible. I remember all the newly retired and semi retired riders used to have multiple jobs or work long hours just so they could race in the weekend.

Oh so true. I also have to correct Choppas use of the word ''investment'' Suzuki NZ ( for example ) put an enormous amount of money into road racing in NZ, if the true figure was made public it would stun a lot of people. They help a lot of young guys, as do a lot of other people and industry people at various parts of the food chain.
Heck if Brian Bernard, Dave Cole, Peter Fenton etc spent all that time and energy on themselves theyd all be comfortably off.
The reality is the returns on ''investment'' just are not there, aside from the love of doing it. Our tiny population and therefore tiny market is the main reason.

[Pussy]

Oh so true. I also have to correct Choppas use of the word ''investment'' Suzuki NZ ( for example ) put an enormous amount of money into road racing in NZ, if the true figure was made public it would stun a lot of people. They help a lot of young guys, as do a lot of other people and industry people at various parts of the food chain.
Heck if Brian Bernard, Dave Cole, Peter Fenton etc spent all that time and energy on themselves theyd all be comfortably off.
The reality is the returns on ''investment'' just are not there, aside from the love of doing it. Our tiny population and therefore tiny market is the main reason.
Spot on, Mr T and Suzuki 21!

[Drew]

i agree, karl morgan, james,glen, nick ect are all good young riders, when stroud retires it will be sad......but theres plenty of people who arecoming through. Peoples negative attitude on here dosnt help.

Peoples attitude on here?

You take this site too seriously man, people on here generally dont have the sack to say half this shit in person, making their opinion as fuckin void as said sack.

Plus, Nick aint that young, and he's fat.

[Kickaha]

Plus, Nick aint that young, and he's fat.

Festively plump

[scracha]

God help us when you and Stroud retire, the gene pool is bloody shallow. G.
More keys in the jar could fix that.

[slowpoke]

I know this may be tripping back abit, I havn't read any further than this yet but I must really say:

It ain't about how FAST it is, it's about how CLOSE it is!

There's a kind of a balancing act to be done. I'd rather watch one MotoGP bike or even Robbie, Stroudie or Craig circulating individually than a field of scooters all chopping and changing at every corner. For my money there is a speed requirement that HAS to be met before it becomes interesting. The tricky part is that everybody has their own idea of what that speed is.


i agree, karl morgan, james,glen, nick ect are all good young riders, when stroud retires it will be sad......but theres plenty of people who arecoming through. Peoples negative attitude on here dosnt help.

Coming through? Mate, Stroud has got 3 x AMA Formula Extreme titles, run a solo World Superbike campaign, GP500's experience, 7 (fingers crossed, soon to be 8) National championships etc etc, under his belt. No offence to the quick young blokes coming through but they aren't within a bulls roar of that blokes pedigree.


I n defence of our young guys coming through James has shown he is pretty handy on a Superbike as has Sloan. Skatchills pretty fast on a 600 as well. Yes the pool is small but these guys and others to follow from the feeder classes are our future.

Yep, but the international experience/success of guys like Stroudy and Craig will be sorely missed. They set the standard that others strive to match.

On the upside, it's great to see Honda backing Craig and Hayden, and with any luck Yamaha will help support Tony Rees. (Imagine the skills a young team mate could learn off that bloke). But for some late bad luck there would have been another coupla bikes on the Superbike grid, so for a lousy monetary climate, things aren't looking too bad.

[jellywrestler]

I have never imagined Billy as a 9yo girl, wouldnt he be more of a skinny trailer park cougar?

Mate after dark in Fielding it's hard to tell the difference between the two, at night it's like a 365 day halloween party there in a town where the most confusing day of the year is Fathers day...
In saying that the first big bike race at the Cemetery Circuit was won by a Feilding rider so there must be some good blood lines there somewhere...

[slowpoke]

I know this may be tripping back abit, I havn't read any further than this yet but I must really say:

It ain't about how FAST it is, it's about how CLOSE it is!


Mate after dark in Fielding it's hard to tell the difference between the two, at night i's like a 365 day halloween party there in a town where the most confusing day of the year is Fathers day...
In saying that the first big bike race at the Cemetery Circuit was won by a Feilding rider so there must be some good blood lines there somewhere...

Maaaate, if you were a youngster growing up in Feilding just avoiding the clutches of your own relatives would make being fast an absolute necessity

[Pussy]

Maaaate, if you were a youngster growing up in Feilding just avoiding the clutches of your own relatives would make being fast an absolute necessity

.... Uncle, get off me, you're squashing my smokes......

[scracha]

Maaaate, if you were a youngster growing up in Feilding just avoiding the clutches of your own relatives would make being fast an absolute necessity

How can you tell if a girl from Feilding is a virgin?












She can out-run her dad

[jellywrestler]

na he all shit when was the last time he won a race that wasnt a street race????? 200fuckn6 and that was on a 6hundy he cant ride a super to save himself
Hey Mr Shirriffs,
Don't be so hard on yourself, I heard that you were good at some other things too...

[woodyracer]

Hey Mr Shirriffs,
Don't be so hard on yourself, I heard that you were good at some other things too...

ahahaaahaah thats gold!!!....{in a pink kind of way...}

[nick2slow]

ha your a joke!! managed to stay on your bike latley??

Peoples attitude on here?

You take this site too seriously man, people on here generally dont have the sack to say half this shit in person, making their opinion as fuckin void as said sack.

Plus, Nick aint that young, and he's fat.

[Drew]

ha your a joke!! managed to stay on your bike latley??

Touchy subject? Sorry.

[cowpoos]

Is gearing a freely allowed mod? I only ask as you can dyno my bike now with the gearing left on it pretty low and it'll read differently with nothing more than a sproket swap.

Engine RPM is accounted for...so speed is calculated back to work out gearing...which is accounted for automatically.

[Drew]

Engine RPM is accounted for...so speed is calculated back to work out gearing...which is accounted for automatically.

Jesus you have a shit way of explaining stuff bro. But giving it thought, you're right I think. Cheers.

[nick2slow]

nealy bort a tear 2 my eyes

Touchy subject? Sorry.

[Kickaha]

nealy bort a tear 2 my eyes

Wimp.......

[Drew]

nealy bort a tear 2 my eyesI'll be gentle with ya next time.

[cowpoos]

Jesus you have a shit way of explaining stuff bro. But giving it thought, you're right I think. Cheers.

get me some crayons and a piece of paper and I draw you a picture...and you can even colour it in afterwards if you want fella ;)

[Kickaha]

get me some crayons and a piece of paper and I draw you a picture...and you can even colour it in afterwards if you want fella ;)

He wouldn't be able to stay between the lines

[Drew]

He wouldn't be able to stay between the linesI'm too creative to be restricted by lines!

[Tony.OK]

I'm too creative to be restricted by lines!

Especially when we're racin each other :shit::innocent:

[Drew]

Especially when we're racin each other :shit::innocent:Only one line counts on the track mate, the finish line.

[Tony.OK]

Only one line counts on the track mate, the finish line.

Hahaa............touche'

Always a pleasure to see ya cross it too me 'ole mate!

[Drew]

Hahaa............touche'

Always a pleasure to see ya cross it too me 'ole mate!
Always a relief to see it for me bro.