Cagers with fake plates?

[pyrocam]

3 months or so ago I was hit by a car (I reckon maliciously but who knows) on the newmarket overpass which then left the scene, someone chased him and got the numberplate which turned out to for a different vehicle so the police were unable to do anything.

This morning I was coming over the bridge and I noticed a similar car, white toyota, dents on the side. I eyed him up and he slowed down to 40 going over the bridge. I remembered the numberplate and then typed it into carjam.co.nz to see and its another set of fake/stolen plates. (the rego was for an orange van)

My theory is that this guy commutes (both times I was on my way to or from work) and changes his numberplates. The new numberplates havent been reported stolen, so I think he might be making his own? is that even possible?

I called the police, but because the plates wernt registered stolen and was still active in the system there wasnt much they could do about it. called transit NZ who own the cameras on the bridge, they dont record any footage so cant playback the and confirm the vehicle and maybe driver.

what else can I do but sit on a bridge during rush hour and wait for him and call the cops. could be a big waste of time.

NB: The damage was 5k, insurance covered it but still a hefty excess since they couldnt recover costs. I am more annoyed that the guy fucked off and is still driving, I was lucky I wasnt hit by the traffic behind me, someone else might not be so lucky.

[aprilia_RS250]

Definitely stalk him out and follow him and see where works/lives, then let the cops know.

[Pedrostt500]

Sounds like you have found a grade "A" Fucktard there mate, always thought it was illegal to have the wrong plates on the wrong vechicle, regardlees if they were stolen or not.

[phoenixgtr]

I know how you feel mate. A few years ago I was in a hit and run. Only in my case the whole car was stolen, not just the plates. Witnesses got the rego but cause the car was stolen there was nothing the cops could do. They eventually caught up with the guy and he was arrested for stealing the car but they couldn't prove that he was the one driving the car when it hit me so he got away with it and I got lumped with my insurance excess. Talk about getting screwed in more ways than one!!

[Coldrider]

Although the plate you have identified are not reported as stolen, can you find the actual owner of those plates to ensure they are not duplicated, as they must be, or else used on another of their vehicles.

[FJRider]

Although the plate you have identified are not reported as stolen, can you find the actual owner of those plates to ensure they are not duplicated, as they must be, or else used on another of their vehicles.

OR ... both vehicles live at the SAME address ... the address given for the plates would be a good place to start. For about $9.00 at the post shop ... you can get registered owners address ...

[steve_t]

...For about $9.00 at the post shop ... you can get registered owners address ...

Just use carjam to get the owner's details :niceone:

[huff3r]

OR ... both vehicles live at the SAME address ... the address given for the plates would be a good place to start. For about $9.00 at the post shop ... you can get registered owners address ...

Or someones imported some plates from a website overseas, very very easy to do, all the BMW boys were doing it so they could get euro plates without paying PLATES $400, but then the cops started cracking down cos they aren't legal plates even if they have the right rego. Damn Plates.co.nz and their stupid monopoly, selling a fricken $50 plate and minor change in their system for $400...

[pyrocam]

Although the plate you have identified are not reported as stolen, can you find the actual owner of those plates to ensure they are not duplicated, as they must be, or else used on another of their vehicles.
I could find out who the original owner was. but what am I going to say to them? I considered calling and asking if they had their plates nicked but not reported, but I dont know if that would do me much good.
I asked the police if the owner of the original plates matched the owner of these plates and it doesnt, I was hoping maybe he was just swapping plates around on his vehicles.

perhaps I misunderstand what you mean?


Sounds like you have found a grade "A" Fucktard there mate, always thought it was illegal to have the wrong plates on the wrong vechicle, regardlees if they were stolen or not.
reckon, and as far as I am aware it IS illegal.


Just use carjam to get the owner's details :niceone:
you still have to pay on carjam. but the cops said they were different people anyway. one was from CHCH, she didnt say anything about the latest one except that its got a current warrant and rego and that indicates its not had its plates nicked.

The police said to call *555 next time I see him. so ill have to keep an eye out and follow him next time. he knew I made him though, so might be another set of fake plates next time.


Or someones imported some plates from a website overseas, very very easy to do, all the BMW boys were doing it so they could get euro plates without paying PLATES $400, but then the cops started cracking down cos they aren't legal plates even if they have the right rego. Damn Plates.co.nz and their stupid monopoly, selling a fricken $50 plate and minor change in their system for $400...

I guess it makes sense you could make them up and have them shipped over, sucks though, I wonder if cops check numberplates much when they are driving around



if anyone is curious YW8091 is the old plate he had, UH2394 is the current one.

[Boob Johnson]

Sounds like you have found a grade "A" Fucktard there mate, always thought it was illegal to have the wrong plates on the wrong vechicle, regardlees if they were stolen or not.
Ditto. For whatever reason sometimes cops just aren't interested in some crime.



Definitely stalk him out and follow him and see where works/lives, then let the cops know.
+1 stalk his ass! Not just for yourself but for the safety of others too

[Coldrider]

Don't interact with the owners of the vehicle(s) but if you can get photographic evidence of the vehicles & plates (say at their address) or work, and then put your case to the cops.

[Ixion]

This morning I was coming over the bridge and I noticed a similar car, white toyota, dents on the side. I eyed him up and he slowed down to 40 going over the bridge. I remembered the numberplate and then typed it into carjam.co.nz to see and its another set of fake/stolen plates. (the rego was for an orange van) Mr Fucktard (maybe someone else, bu probably him), buys a crapped out orange van. Doesn't change ownership (old owner prolly doesn't care too much, its a write off). Parts out van, keeps plates, fits them to Toyota. Or, just gets a set of plates from whoever did part out the orange van . Pretty easy, pretty common. Y' want an untraceable number plate for your bike? Not that I do anything like that , but I know a man with a dog.

[Boob Johnson]

Mr Fucktard (maybe someone else, bu probably him), buys a crapped out orange van. Doesn't change ownership (old owner prolly doesn't care too much, its a write off). Parts out van, keeps plates, fits them to Toyota. Or, just gets a set of plates from whoever did part out the orange van . Pretty easy, pretty common. Y' want an untraceable number plate for your bike? Not that I do anything like that , but I know a man with a dog.
Or its just a simple duplicate of a random person/cars plate & he regularly switches them?

[MaxB]

I had a plate switching problem a few years ago but with a twist.

I had an immaculate Beemer cage. One day a guy came in off the street and offered me absolute top dollar for it. Being younger and more trusting I said thanks and accepted a lot of cash.

When I came to change ownership, the dudes details were all false. Tried for months to get it changed. One day I saw another BMW with my plates across town. I followed it and got the address. Later I went round and found a 3rd Beemer with my plates on.

The final straw was when I was stopped by the cops, kept waiting for ages and asked was I the owner of a black BMW etc etc. 6 months after I sent in my part of the change of ownership papers. That was it. Luckily one of my kids knew their family kids so I now had a name and address. That arvo I went down to the Post Office and fixed things up on thier behalf.

The end of the story was a few months later when there was a huge drug bust in town. What the drug ring was doing was buying late model euro cars and using the plate on a number of similar models and doing the drug run up north. The idea was that cops didn't tend to stop posh cars as much as old bombs. They still got caught though.

[Mudfart]

yeah cops wont run plates through the computer system unless a driver is driving badly, or the vehicle looks unwarrantable.
So theoretically if you have a decent car, you could drive on fake plates for many years without getting caught, even if the plates WERE reported stolen. Provided your the sort of person that never gets pulled over.

[pyrocam]

I'd offer a reward if there was something more to go on. A vauge description of a car and the license plate thats probably changed again tonight isnt enough for people to go on. I'm sure someone knows this guy although probably not kiwibikers. Maybe I should offer it in sideswipe or something.

I am being extra vigilant now, Im sure I can spot his car again and this time I have my phone and camera ready

[mashman]

I wonder if they ever did the upgrade... http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/A2DF9BFB9179862FCC257518003E5EE6 I'm guessing not. Good luck with finding the bstard...

[thehovel]

3 months or so ago I was hit by a car (I reckon maliciously but who knows) on the newmarket overpass which then left the scene, someone chased him and got the numberplate which turned out to for a different vehicle so the police were unable to do anything.

This morning I was coming over the bridge and I noticed a similar car, white toyota, dents on the side. I eyed him up and he slowed down to 40 going over the bridge. I remembered the numberplate and then typed it into carjam.co.nz to see and its another set of fake/stolen plates. (the rego was for an orange van)

My theory is that this guy commutes (both times I was on my way to or from work) and changes his numberplates. The new numberplates havent been reported stolen, so I think he might be making his own? is that even possible?

I called the police, but because the plates wernt registered stolen and was still active in the system there wasnt much they could do about it. called transit NZ who own the cameras on the bridge, they dont record any footage so cant playback the and confirm the vehicle and maybe driver.

what else can I do but sit on a bridge during rush hour and wait for him and call the cops. could be a big waste of time.

NB: The damage was 5k, insurance covered it but still a hefty excess since they couldnt recover costs. I am more annoyed that the guy fucked off and is still driving, I was lucky I wasnt hit by the traffic behind me, someone else might not be so lucky.


Get a photo of the driver and plates and give it to your insurance co. They have an intest in getting thier mony back.

[Leseid]

I've seen fake plates on a Toyota Estima. My girl friend pointed out something odd about the number plate on the car in front.
5 years of being a graphic designer I have an eye for type setting, these where fake plates. The alignment wasn't quite level, the kerning (the spacing in between) wasn't correct. The thing that gives it away the most is the white pant behind the black.

So someone has got a nice black market product here, you'd have to machine 26 letters and 9 digits as punch dies. ~2mm thick aluminium sheets and some sort of press, paints and cheap labour and bob's your uncle. Buy them at the markets with all the other black market products, stick em on your vehicle and no speeding tickets no need for 3rd party insurance.

This would be a sod to police!

Solution:

All new number plates must be affixed with tamper proof rivets that only VTNZ can fit. Although this wont be a full proof solution it will make it difficult to steel, swap plates.

[scumdog]

yeah cops wont run plates through the computer system unless a driver is driving badly, or the vehicle looks unwarrantable.
So theoretically if you have a decent car, you could drive on fake plates for many years without getting caught, even if the plates WERE reported stolen. Provided your the sort of person that never gets pulled over.

Unless like some (a lot actually) they pull over random cars for drink-driving check etc and check the plates too for a gego/WOF check.:yes:

[scumdog]

One way to get a another set of plates:

Go to post office, say you' lost' a plate and for a few $$ you get two new plates with different letters/numbers to the 'lost' one.

Only you now have two sets of plates....:shifty:

[pyrocam]

I've seen fake plates on a Toyota Estima. My girl friend pointed out something odd about the number plate on the car in front.
5 years of being a graphic designer I have an eye for type setting
I know what you mean

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[Ixion]

One way to get a another set of plates:

Go to post office, say you' lost' a plate and for a few $$ you get two new plates with different letters/numbers to the 'lost' one.

Only you now have two sets of plates....:shifty:

Except that both sets reference the same bike - yours. So whichever number a cop gets , it's going to give him what he wants. I don't think you're devious enough to make a good criminal, Mr Scumdog.

[scumdog]

Except that both sets reference the same bike - yours. So whichever number a cop gets , it's going to give him what he wants. I don't think you're devious enough to make a good criminal, Mr Scumdog.

Maybe not me - but some people do as I described - and THEY think they're shit hot- law foolers