Peter Bethune / Sea Shepherd - possible long holiday in Japan

[Tank]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10631640

A New Zealand anti-whaling activist has been arrested after the Japanese whaling ship he boarded in February docked in Tokyo today.

Peter Bethune, of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, climbed aboard the Shonan Maru II with the intention of making a citizen's arrest of the ship's captain for what he claimed was the attempted murder of his crew.

Bethune's powerboat, the Ady Gil, was sliced in two when it collided with the Japanese ship in January.

The arrest, reported by Sky News, would see Bethune charged with trespassing. If convicted he faces three years in prison or a maximum fine of 100,000 yen.



I hope he gets the 3 years!

[Mom]

I hope he gets the 3 years!

Yeah the fine would be fundraised for :yes:

[Mully]

Yeah the fine would be fundraised for :yes:

100000 yen is about NZ$1500 IIRC

[Tank]

100000 yen is about NZ$1500 IIRC

yep but 3 years is like NZ 1095 days and would be fucken harlarious.

[avgas]

Here is hoping he never gets there. All the boats sink. And god (in whale form) then hands me a beer.

[Big Dave]

I hope he gets the 3 years!

I'd donate to pay the fine.

[Genie]

who would know what really went on out there, they both have conflicting stories, but hell, poor bastard will be made an example of. a risk he took when he tried his 'arrest'. will be interesting to see just what unfolds.

[Mully]

yep but 3 years is like NZ 1095 days and would be fucken harlarious.

Indeed it would.

I wonder if the captain of the whaler accepted the invoice he was trying to present him with.

[rainman]

I hope he gets the 3 years!

What a prick...


... you are, that is, not Pete.


I'd donate to pay the fine.

Yup, me too. We need more people with the courage of their convictions. No pun intended.

[Hitcher]

I hope he gets the 3 years!

That sentence should be doubled for pretentious wankers.

[McJim]

If Watson pays for all the damage he has done over the years and stands trial for every ramming he has encouraged then maybe, just maybe the skipper of the Shonan Maru No 2 should be answerable.

However..

I believe Sea Shithead rammed the Japs.

I believe Pete Bethune did break and enter.

He did the crime he should do the time.

[Tank]

Yup, me too. We need more people with the courage of their convictions. No pun intended.

He has no right to impose his views on others who are happily going around their business. Anyone involved in a group that sinks boats - its just a matter of time until the become murders. Fuck him I say and I hope that they make an example of him.

[davereid]

If Watson pays for all the damage he has done over the years and stands trial for every ramming he has encouraged then maybe, just maybe the skipper of the Shonan Maru No 2 should be answerable.

However..

I believe Sea Shithead rammed the Japs.

I believe Pete Bethune did break and enter.

He did the crime he should do the time.

1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaling vessel “Sierra”, causing considerable damage.
“Sierra” survives attack.
1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two
Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a
moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until
their return home to Canada.
1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation
shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and
Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea
Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads”
(rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies … petrol was
poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an
attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik,
Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after
Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack
carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked
to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an
ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory.
Charges included use of an
explosive device, theft and arson.)

If we are lucky, they will charge him with being a party to Terrorism, and will get 30 years.

And in future the JDF will simply sink SS on sight.

[carbonhed]

That sentence should be doubled for pretentious wankers.

In an ideal world :laugh: Bling sent.

[kwaka_crasher]

He has no right to impose his views on others who are happily going around their entirely lawful business.

All fixed for ya. :niceone:

[rainman]

Anyone involved in a group that sinks boats - its just a matter of time until the become murders.

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

[JimO]

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

i think you will find it sunk many hours after they rammed the nips, the sea shitheads could have saved it but there isnt as much publicity in that eh..........fukkem

[rainman]

i think you will find it sunk many hours after they rammed the nips, the sea shitheads could have saved it but there isnt as much publicity in that eh..........fukkem

Ae you naturally stupid or do you just enjoy making shit up on the Internet?

Actually never mind, I'm too tired and cranky to argue with reflexively anti-green ideologues. Have a good evening, I'm going to get some ZZZZ's.

[oldrider]

1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaling vessel “Sierra”, causing considerable damage.
“Sierra” survives attack.
1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two
Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a
moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until
their return home to Canada.
1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation
shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and
Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea
Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads”
(rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies … petrol was
poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an
attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik,
Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after
Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack
carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked
to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an
ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory.
Charges included use of an
explosive device, theft and arson.)

If we are lucky, they will charge him with being a party to Terrorism, and will get 30 years.

And in future the JDF will simply sink SS on sight.

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists! :shifty:

[JimO]

Ae you naturally stupid or do you just enjoy making shit up on the Internet?

Actually never mind, I'm too tired and cranky to argue with reflexively anti-green ideologues. Have a good evening, I'm going to get some ZZZZ's.

are you sure im wrong

[rainman]

are you sure im wrong

Neither of us could possibly be absolutely sure as we weren't there. But I'll bet you have zero basis for the claims you are making, and that they are motivated by an irrational hatred of the participants rather than anything resembling fact.

So, stupid.

[Pixie]

Ooooh,it's Bethune?
I thought it was Buffoon,I think I need a hearing test

[Jonathan]

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists! :shifty:

I agree, and I am also thoroughly against the Japanese "scientific" whaling programme. But, I am happy for all the pesky, smelly hippies to be on a boat far away, hassling the agents of an irresponsible nation bent on reaping the ocean of anything that moves, rather have them back home moaning about GM soybeans or whatnot. Sure the Greenies are interfering with these chaps' work and being generally a nuisance for them, but if it wasn't for the moratorium then they wouldn't have a job anyway - because there would be no whales!

And what gives Japan the right to continue whaling while the rest of the world does not. Sure if the Japanese alone were whaling to strict quotas then it could be sustainable - but not if the whole world decided it is okay. Why should the rest of the world be safeguarding whales just for the Japanese to eat them? They have already stripped their own territory of sea life and continually cross into New Zealand waters where we still have fish as our fisheries industry is more restrained and regulated.

[Pussy]

Ooooh,it's Bethune?
I thought it was Buffoon,I think I need a hearing test

No.... you're quite correct!

[JimO]

Neither of us could possibly be absolutely sure as we weren't there. But I'll bet you have zero basis for the claims you are making, and that they are motivated by an irrational hatred of the participants rather than anything resembling fact.

So, stupid.

irrational hatred?? dont think so in fact i have a relative on the Steve Irwin so i think you wil find i know a bit more than you

[McJim]

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

Exactly. Pete Bethune caused the damage to the Ali G and then Sea Shithead made it sink to get a story. So it's EXACTLY like them....coz it is them!

It's all about publicity, their latest reality TV contract and selling units of whalemeat. You don't actually think an organisation run by an American actually gives a shit about environmental issues do you? For christssake they are the biggest polluters per capita outside of New Zealand (people don't realise how much we pollute coz theres 9 tenths of fuck all population here)

[avgas]

Whale god still hasn't handed me a beer yet.

[Skyryder]

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists! :shifty:

Sometime it does. The test is, is breaking the law the lesser or greater than what the law protects. Those who protest on a particular issue and are prepared to break the law to further their protests clearly believe that breaking the law is the lesser offence than allowing the continuation of the status quo.

History is filled with causes where individuals broke the law and usually at great personal risk. The Fugitive Slave Bill of 1850 is one example as is the more recent example of those that offered assistance to the Jews of Germany, the Suffragette movement I have mentioned in earlier posts is another case in point. Such people act on a higher principle than the rule of law; their own conscience and integrity becomes the final arbiter of their actions as is evident in the Waihopai activists. Individuals of society as a whole go along with the majority voice and it is only when society shifts it’s position on an issue that those that oppose now endorse.

I do not want to go into the rights and wrongs of the boarding as this has been covered in another thread but clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, as serving the notice could have been achieved by other less dramatic methods. It has achieved the desired effects and bought the Japanese whaling to the forefront of the world stage. That this man is fully prepared for the consequences says more than I can on his behavior.

Like most protests history will be the final arbiter in determining their actions but I would be surprised if Greenpeace will be assigned the role of terrorist and given the Australian attitude on whaling as against our own viz a viz McCully we will never close the gap between their ethics and ours on this issue

Many who oppose Greenpeace do so on the grounds of their protests, and not what they are trying to achieve. This is a fundamental error of those that believe that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization.

Many of their activists are young and in the full prime of youth and as such show a passion to their cause along with a vigor that is lost with age.


I for one am grateful for such people from the past as I am for those that display the very same attitudes today, for without them the world would be worse off than it is now and hopefully because of their actions today be better tomorrow and in the future.

Skyryder

[JimO]

Sometime it does. The test is, is breaking the law the lesser or greater than what the law protects. Those who protest on a particular issue and are prepared to break the law to further their protests clearly believe that breaking the law is the lesser offence than allowing the continuation of the status quo.

History is filled with causes where individuals broke the law and usually at great personal risk. The Fugitive Slave Bill of 1850 is one example as is the more recent example of those that offered assistance to the Jews of Germany, the Suffragette movement I have mentioned in earlier posts is another case in point. Such people act on a higher principle than the rule of law; their own conscience and integrity becomes the final arbiter of their actions as is evident in the Waihopai activists. Individuals of society as a whole go along with the majority voice and it is only when society shifts it’s position on an issue that those that oppose now endorse.

I do not want to go into the rights and wrongs of the boarding as this has been covered in another thread but clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, as serving the notice could have been achieved by other less dramatic methods. It has achieved the desired effects and bought the Japanese whaling to the forefront of the world stage. That this man is fully prepared for the consequences says more than I can on his behavior.

Like most protests history will be the final arbiter in determining their actions but I would be surprised if Greenpeace will be assigned the role of terrorist and given the Australian attitude on whaling as against our own viz a viz McCully we will never close the gap between their ethics and ours on this issue

Many who oppose Greenpeace do so on the grounds of their protests, and not what they are trying to achieve. This is a fundamental error of those that believe that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization.

Many of their activists are young and in the full prime of youth and as such show a passion to their cause along with a vigor that is lost with age.


I for one am grateful for such people from the past as I am for those that display the very same attitudes today, for without them the world would be worse off than it is now and hopefully because of their actions today be better tomorrow and in the future.

Skyryder

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......

[Skyryder]

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......


As per usual you do not let facts get in the way of crazy allegations.

One Bethune was not at the wheel of Earthrace at the time of the accident so could not have run down the Guatemalan fishing boat as you claim.

Secondly murder requires intent and this was an accident.

Thirdly the crew of Earthrace were exonerated after a ten day enquiry.

Piss poor response form you Jim jim. I had expected better but on second thoughts...................... perhaps not.

Skyryder

[oldrider]

clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, Skyryder

So, he knew what he was doing could mean go to jail, OK, so off he goes!

Big deal, he obviously didn't understand the meaning of my signature! :mellow:

[Skyryder]

So, he knew what he was doing could mean go to jail, OK, so off he goes!

Big deal, he obviously didn't understand the meaning of my signature! :mellow:


Absolutely OR. There is however two issues here.

One as prvously mentioned is that if you are going to knowingly break the law you have to accept the cosequences. That is equally applicable in this instance as it is with speeding.

Howeve when it comes to protest action of a nature that we are debating about the secondary factor is the media. Protesters use the media to their own ends as do politicans and PR people.

Bethune and people in association problay sat down and looked at the implications. First and foremost on their mind would have been th3 media response. Reguadless of for or against the 'boarding' initself was a minor action it's the detinment and arrest that will keep this thing alive and that is the purpose of this event.

One thing that has been overlooked is the fact that the AG was a NZ registered vessel. As a seaman you know as well as I that any 'attack' or deliberte damage is the same as if the atack or damgae was carried out on NZ soil. A registered vessel carries with it the 'sovereignty' of the country that it is regestered to.

Key and McCully have made no public statements in response to the ramming and McCully has virtually disowned a fellow kiwi for attmepting to serve papers that this government should have done as of right.

I see little differance in the deliberate ramming of NZ registered vessel as agaisnt the bombing of th Rainbow Warrior and this Governments attitude can only be desribed as cowardly.


Skyryder

Skyryder

[avgas]

Sorry for stating the obvious here. But what did Pete hope to achieve on the Shonan Maru II? SS themselves said it was a pointless mission.

[Mully]

Sorry for stating the obvious here. But what did Pete hope to achieve on the Shonan Maru II? SS themselves said it was a pointless mission.

How dare you!!

He was presenting the captain with an invoice for the replacement value of his little boat. And undertaking a citizen's arrest, IIRC.

The invoice is the bit that amuses me the most:
"Here's an invoice for my little boat what sank"
"Terribly sorry about that, old chap. Let me grab my chequebook" (this Japanese captain is British too)

I think it's more on the lines of "any publicity is good publicity"

(BTW, did you see the NZ Diplomat in Tokyo(?) who accepted the petition from the Japanese protestors - and notice her recoil when the bloke tried to give her a can of whale meat? Awesome)

[kwaka_crasher]

One thing that has been overlooked is the fact that the AG was a NZ registered vessel. As a seaman you know as well as I that any 'attack' or deliberate damage is the same as if the attack or damage was carried out on NZ soil. A registered vessel carries with it the 'sovereignty' of the country that it is registered to.

Good that you point this out. Buffoon boarded a foreign vessel which is foreign territory. Hence he was rightly arrested as he was in a foreign jurisdiction.

The Japanese never boarded any vessel unlawfully. The damage occurred in international waters. NZ does not have jurisdiction.

[Swoop]

It appears Bethune's situation is getting a lot of media time in japan. Possibly a good thing and exactly what he expected when boarding the jap <STRIKE>slaughter</STRIKE> "research" ship.

[Skyryder]

Good that you point this out. Buffoon boarded a foreign vessel which is foreign territory. Hence he was rightly arrested as he was in a foreign jurisdiction.

The Japanese never boarded any vessel unlawfully. The damage occurred in international waters. NZ does not have jurisdiction.

As per usual you have no idea what you are on about
From
http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commercial/Ship-registration/Ship-registration-in-New-Zealand.asp

Ship registration provides nationality. For some ships it is compulsory to be registered. For others it is voluntary. Find out about the New Zealand Register of Ships and where to start to register your ship.
When a ship registered in New Zealand travels overseas, its registration gives it the protection of the New Zealand Government. This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Seems pretty clear to me that NZ does have jurisdiction but John (don’t bother me I’m on holiday…….again) Key does not have the balls to even speak out in defence of a fellow citizen and his vessel. But this is not surprising...............this government is not for New Zealanders but overseas interests as Keys statements on this issue show.

Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

As per usual you have no idea what you are on about

That's funny coming from some clown who can't tell the difference between the Articles of the International Convention on the Regulation of Whaling showing that the Japanese whaling is entirely lawful and the rant on some halfwit hippies site without any evidence claiming the contrary.


From
http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/Commercial/Ship-registration/Ship-registration-in-New-Zealand.asp

Ship registration provides nationality. For some ships it is compulsory to be registered. For others it is voluntary. Find out about the New Zealand Register of Ships and where to start to register your ship.
When a ship registered in New Zealand travels overseas, its registration gives it the protection of the New Zealand Government. This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Seems pretty clear to me that NZ does have jurisdiction but John (don’t bother me I’m on holiday…….again) Key does not have the balls to even speak out in defence of a fellow citizen and his vessel. But this is not surprising...............this government is not for New Zealanders but overseas interests as Keys statements on this issue show.

Where does it say that in the event of a coillision in international waters, the laws of one vessel's registered nation apply in precedence to a the other vessel registered in a different nation?

I'll tell you where: no-fucking-where. That's where.

You'd think the last bit might have given you a hint, but no. Having a foreign passport does not mean you're exempt from the laws of the nation in which you reside.

[Tank]

you have lost the point (again).

He is being done for trespass - because - he trespassed.

He could have given the papers and left (as he was given the option) - but he refused to leave.

Its a fair cop - regardless of any other views one might hold in regard to his entitlement to serve papers etc.

He rolled the dice - He now gets to take accountability. Fucken brilliant. Again - Im hoping he gets the max number of years and shares a cell with a whale eating, sumo wrestler who has a fetish for white boys.

[puddytat]

Fucken brilliant. Again - Im hoping he gets the max number of years and shares a cell with a whale eating, sumo wrestler who has a fetish for white boys.

See I think thats what he wanted all along, to get in at ground level & to work with these poor whale eating washed up Sumo wrestlers & white boy fetishists & while there also work on the panty sniffing bukkake covered Yakusa types who got caught out corrupting the politicians & the politicians in there as well......
They never apologised for the WAR either.

[Tank]

They never apologised for the WAR either.

It could be a good conversation opener with his cellmate.

[Bald Eagle]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10631640

A New Zealand anti-whaling activist has been arrested after the Japanese whaling ship he boarded in February docked in Tokyo today.

Peter Bethune, of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, climbed aboard the Shonan Maru II with the intention of making a citizen's arrest of the ship's captain for what he claimed was the attempted murder of his crew.

Bethune's powerboat, the Ady Gil, was sliced in two when it collided with the Japanese ship in January.

The arrest, reported by Sky News, would see Bethune charged with trespassing. If convicted he faces three years in prison or a maximum fine of 100,000 yen.



I hope he gets the 3 years!

I thought they had a rope and a plank for pirates, since when do they just offer them a pay now deal or a nice warm bed for a couple of years holiday.

[kwaka_crasher]

It could be a good conversation opener with his cellmate.

Yeah, that should break the ice nicely. Along with his legs. :rofl:

[Skyryder]

That's funny coming from some clown who can't tell the difference between the Articles of the International Convention on the Regulation of Whaling showing that the Japanese whaling is entirely lawful and the rant on some halfwit hippies site without any evidence claiming the contrary.



Where does it say that in the event of a coillision in international waters, the laws of one vessel's registered nation apply in precedence to a the other vessel registered in a different nation?

I'll tell you where: no-fucking-where. That's where.

You'd think the last bit might have given you a hint, but no. Having a foreign passport does not mean you're exempt from the laws of the nation in which you reside.

No point in going down that road again so I 'won't,' but no doubt you will come up with the usual codswallop of what constitutes lawful.

You claimed that NZ has no jurisdiction over the AG. It does as I have demonstrated. For you to rehash an old arguement in defence of you own ineptitude defies belief but then your arguements on this issue are based on the websites and not on the content.

Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.


Skyyrder

[davereid]

The japs may play the blame game.

They now have the skipper of the boat they claim to be responsible for the collision of the two ships in custody.

If I was the jap prosecutor I would just charge him with the incident, and remand him in custody till it gets sorted.

It will take years until our dozy marine department reach a conclusion, and if it doesn't go the japs way, they will just appeal.

Win or lose, Mr. Bethune gets to learn japanese for free.

[Mikkel]

Would have been more fun if it had been Mr. Watson being taken to court.


Win or lose, Mr. Bethune gets to learn japanese for free.

I wonder if his response to that fact will be domo arrigato go sei mas da.

[JimO]

Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.


Skyyrder

that would be any day ending with a Y.....eh comrade

[Drogen Omen]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...

Maybe this becoming a state of Australia will be good for NZ... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling... John Key is just worried about the free trade agreement with Japan...

atleast Australia has a back bone...

[kwaka_crasher]

No point in going down that road again so I 'won't,' but no doubt you will come up with the usual codswallop of what constitutes lawful.

LOL that 'codswallop', as you call it, is actual law, not the bullshit you just believe for no reason. This is a classic case in point - nowhere does the link you gave state anything even remotely similar to what you claim it does. You, Sir, are a bare-faced liar and an idiot.


You claimed that NZ has no jurisdiction over the AG. It does as I have demonstrated. For you to rehash an old arguement in defence of you own ineptitude defies belief but then your arguements on this issue are based on the websites and not on the content.

I did nothing of the sort. I said they have no jurisdiction over a vessel registered in a foreign nation if there is a collision in international waters between it an a NZ registered vessel. As usual, you've offered no proof to the contrary to support your claim.


Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.

I don't need to get lucky - you never offer any proof to support your claims, only links to other ignorant people pushing the same lies, also without proof, and each time I shoot you down. You have to learn to deal with the fact that if you lie, you will be exposed.

[Skyryder]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...

Maybe this becoming a state of Australia will be good for NZ... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling... John Key is just worried about the free trade agreement with Japan...

atleast Australia has a back bone...

Yep. Thanks to Key and 'McMullet' New Zealand has become the laughing stock of the maritime industry.


Skyryder

[spacemonkey]

This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Yes and if a NZ citizen while traveling overseas attempted to to something illegal to a citizen of another country failed and got belted in the head for it and then broke another law and was arrested for it, I'd not be expecting the local embassy to do much more than make sure I was not ill treated and let the local courts deal with me.

Or have you forgotten that the AD Gill made repeated attempts to disable and damage a forign vessel on the high seas?

[Skyryder]

LOL that 'codswallop', as you call it, is actual law, not the bullshit you just believe for no reason. This is a classic case in point - nowhere does the link you gave state anything even remotely similar to what you claim it does. You, Sir, are a bare-faced liar and an idiot.



I did nothing of the sort. I said they have no jurisdiction over a vessel registered in a foreign nation if there is a collision in international waters between it an a NZ registered vessel. As usual, you've offered no proof to the contrary to support your claim.



I don't need to get lucky - you never offer any proof to support your claims, only links to other ignorant people pushing the same lies, also without proof, and each time I shoot you down. You have to learn to deal with the fact that if you lie, you will be exposed.


For someone who believes they have won why are still running in the race? Oh and the name calling just shows that you lose your temper too.





Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

For someone who believes they have won why are still running in the race.

The answer is quite simple: I can't stand liars who just repeat the same bullshit over and over, like Goebbels taught them.

You've still got no proof of any of your claims either, I see.

[Skyryder]

The answer is quite simple: I can't stand liars who just repeat the same bullshit over and over, like Goebbels taught them.

You've still got no proof of any of your claims either, I see.

Jeeeez I don’t know why I bother.

While there are many reasons people consider Japans whaling illegal, there is perhaps no more clear example of it being so than IWC regulation 19(d). Japan breaks this regulation by using a factory ship based kill fleet to take Endangered Fin Whales in the IWC Southern Ocean Whale sactuary.
From http://takasito.blogspot.com/2009/02/illegal-japanese-whaling.html

And confirmation
CANBERRA, Australia, January 2, 2002 (ENS) - Australia has attempted to expel whaling ships from Antarctic waters it claims as Australian, after its resupply ship found the bulk of the Japanese whaling fleet there.
The Australian vessel Aurora Australis made the attempt when it found the the chaser Kyo Maru Number One and the factory ship Nisshin Maru off the West Ice Shelf early on New Year's Day.
From
http://www.whales.org.au/news/antarctic.html


I realize that this does not constitute proof but it at least supports my argument that the Japan is whaling illegally.


Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

Jeeeez I don’t know why I bother.

While there are many reasons people consider Japans whaling illegal, there is perhaps no more clear example of it being so than IWC regulation 19(d). Japan breaks this regulation by using a factory ship based kill fleet to take Endangered Fin Whales in the IWC Southern Ocean Whale sactuary.
From http://takasito.blogspot.com/2009/02/illegal-japanese-whaling.html

It supports your opinion, but it's only another flawed opinion, typical of blogs. None of those provisions apply to research permits, only to commercial whaling. Once again you attempt to take a statement out of context to twist it.

I refer you once again to the IWC (http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm):


The IWC and Scientific Permits

GENERAL

A major area of discussion in recent years has been the issuing of permits by member states for the killing of whales for scientific purposes. The use of such permits is not new. The right to issue them is enshrined in Article VIII of the 1946 Convention. Whilst member nations must submit proposals for review, in accordance with the Convention, it is the member nation that ultimately decides whether or not to issue a permit, and this right overrides any other Commission regulations including the moratorium and sanctuaries. Article VIII also requires that the animals be utilised once the scientific data have been collected.



And confirmation
CANBERRA, Australia, January 2, 2002 (ENS) - Australia has attempted to expel whaling ships from Antarctic waters it claims as Australian, after its resupply ship found the bulk of the Japanese whaling fleet there.
The Australian vessel Aurora Australis made the attempt when it found the the chaser Kyo Maru Number One and the factory ship Nisshin Maru off the West Ice Shelf early on New Year's Day.
From
http://www.whales.org.au/news/antarctic.html

I realize that this does not constitute proof but it at least supports my argument that the Japan is whaling illegally.

The Aussies can declare all they want - it doesn't change the fact that it's meaningless posturing. They have no jurisdiction over those waters.

[Bald Eagle]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...
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I don't want this or any other duly elected NZ Government to support illegal actions of NZ'ers wherever they may occur. Embassy support should be limited to ensuing they recieve humane treatment in whatever prison they end up in. IMHO

[MisterD]

... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling...

Ha ha ha. KRudd makes a meaningless threat on the campaign trail...and now he's stuck with it.

Don't you think the NZ position of closing the "research" loophole ('cos lets face it, all they're researching is how many whales they can catch in a season) and allowing limited commercial whaling which will overall mean fewer whales are killed is actually the pragmatic and sensible one?

The only pressure the Jap Government is ever going to give in to, is pressure from their own electorate - who knows, perhaps coverage of Pete Buffoon's trial might help in that regard...but I doubt it.

[Spyke]

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......

And to the point it was pitch black and the dingie didn't have any of the appropriate lights (no lights), so they were taking the risk in the waters when a boat that can happily cruise at over 80 ks was in the water?

[Swoop]

And to the point it was pitch black and the dingie didn't have any of the appropriate lights (no lights), so they were taking the risk in the waters when a boat that can happily cruise at over 80 ks was in the water?
You would be surprised how many times that happens... in Auckland harbour!