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golfmade
16th March 2010, 02:12
Fuckin' fumin' lately and need to vent and as this occurred in Taiwan and as I also currently ride a scooter (booooo hiissss I hear you all say...) decided to post this in rant/rave. It's quite long I realize but just have to fucking vent.

January had a minor traffic accident. I approached a four way residential intersection, no traffic lights and no stop signs (stop signs don't exist in this country...). I was going to turn left, so did the normal routine of turning on my left turn blinker, hugging the middle yellow line as close as possible and slowed as I approached the intersection.

There were several scooters oncoming, one was close and I started to go as he passed me. I recognized that there were several other scooters coming but they were not close to the intersection and I judged that I would have enough time to turn and clear safely.

That said, when I committed to my turn and was already in the middle of the intersection a very young scooter driver came flying into the intersection, proceeded to jam on his brakes, which caused his scooter to dip down and fling him from it as his scooter slid into the right side of mine.

I ask if he's alright, if he needs an ambulance or anything and the first (and not last) thing he states (translated into English) are "You will give me money to fix my scooter." We both call the police who show up, take measurements, pictures of damage done to both scooters and also give us both BAC tests.

His father calls my wife a few times after the accident, every single time she tells him not to contact her but to contact me.

I never was contacted. 2 months pass and now he contacts me, saying he wants to meet to discuss the accident.

The initial police report came out and it never explicitly stated who was at fault. I was cited for failing to yield to oncoming traffic and his son was cited for something as well. However one important thing is that the very thing I was cited for also has a clause stating (again a translation from Chinese into English) that a left turning vehicle does have right of way if it's already committed to the turn and in the intersection while the oncoming traffic has not reached the intersection yet.

So I agree to meet him last Thursday morning and he waddles in 20 minutes late and proceeds to tell me that the accident is 70% my fault, not only that but the damage to his son's bike and other things (ie helmet) are over 1,300 NZ$.

I ask him how he arrives at this conclusion and he tells me his insurance agent and a 'lawyer friend' looked at the police report and told him this.

Now, this is odd for a few reasons.

I had my helmet camera on when the accident occurred. As soon as I was done talking to the police I went to my wife's office and checked what the camera got, and bingo it got everything from start to finish quite clearly. I immediately made a copy and that very night gave it to the police officer who was handling the accident.

2 months ago my wife told the father (hence forth known as a fucking tosser) that if he wanted a copy of the video we'd give it to him. He stated he didn't need it.

Thursday I again ask him if he wants a copy, and he says no, that he has his own video. I ponder this and perhaps that is true, as there are lots of government owned CCTV cameras around, but later realize this is lie number one. This is a lie because at that intersection there is only one CCTV camera, and it's facing completely the wrong way to have viewed the accident.

One of the many things he told me that needed to be fixed was his son's helmet, not only that but it was so damaged that he needed to buy a brand new one. This is lie number two as in the video that I have it is clear that his helmet never impacts the ground.

Thursday I had brought my wife's laptop and showed him my video, he was pretty much dead silent for a few minutes after that and then started to tell me that my video has nothing to do with the accident we are talking about and furthermore that he is trying to do me a favor, that if I understood Chinese better I would see the light of day and realize I'm wrong and he is right. I don't take being patronized to very well let alone to me this is reeking of extortion.

Right, so I told him I'll get back to him about arbitration. In Taiwan in a non-criminal accident such as this first we can talk to each other to get it sorted out. If that doesn't work we go to arbitration to have a third person mediate. If that doesn't work we go to court.

Now, thing is I know this fucking tosser is fucking with me, most likely because I'm a foreigner and while yes my Chinese isn't fluent, that has no bearing on this accident.

My next steps are the following:
1) I'm already in the process of getting a more detailed scene investigation done by the police themselves.
2) Once I get that detailed scene investigation I will proceed.
3) As I don't have any documented evidence of his lies I will plan to set up another meeting with him and either by video or audio document his lies as further evidence.
4) At the end of the day IF the police do actually say yes, it's 70% my fault well then I'm not really out anything. That said, I do believe that even if I'm at fault it's no where near 70%.

I won't be fucked with in this manner and in fact it's given me a fire under my ass to, if nothing else, teach this fucking tosser and his son not to fuck with others in such a way.

Karma speaking, that very Thursday night my scooter started making a really weird noise (not related to the accident) and I had to park it, most likely the transmission I think. That said, a close friend is selling his 150cc motorcycle and will give me a good price on it, so hopefully actually within a week or so I'll be properly on a motorcycle and scooter-less for good.

Thanks if you actually read through the entire rant, at least at the end of the day I'm still healthy and can still :scooter: .

Cheers.

crazyhorse
16th March 2010, 06:08
Yup! I read it! Bloody sicko's... trying to screw you for their own fault. Sad that there are so many dishonest people in the world - and yes, not really surprising when you take the location into account.

Go get these mother fuckers! Hope you win, but you should!!!! :yes:

Genie
16th March 2010, 06:09
well that's a delightful we story....not. What a fucken tosser aright. You being the foreigner he probably is treatignn you with disdain and thinks you don't have a clue....very clever thing to have the video of it all. Good luck, hope it works out in your favour.

PS, it's the dad believing what his son has said. Rose coloured glasses. Some parent s need to wake up

CookMySock
16th March 2010, 07:30
Wake up calls all around I'd say. Everyone tries it on when there's a grand in it - wouldn't you?

Square yourself up inside the law, get a written statement from the police, and wait for him to put you in arbitration.

Steve

IdunBrokdItAgin
16th March 2010, 10:26
Why do you have to do anything?

You aren't trying to claim anything from him and you don't beleive you are liable for the other riders bike/ stuff. All you need to do is to prepare for a defence if he tries to sue you. Would have thought the video camera is enough.

You should get in touch with the rabid american (in Taiwan) who posts up bike ride videos on you tube. His are pretty funny - he seems to hate the locals and just constantly rants about what bad drivers they are. One vid even had a truck stopping an the driver threatening him with a stick.

mashman
16th March 2010, 10:50
Vid or it didn't happen you rying amewican piece of clap... (good luck mate, but i'm with wild here... do fuck all, let them do the chasing)

avgas
16th March 2010, 10:55
A) If you have video evidence, say nothing except he is wrong. Do not go into details, just say he is wrong. Let it go to court if you have to then show video evidence. Its very black and white after that.
B) His scooter is not worth $1500.......not even the most expensive Lilfan in China was $5000 RMB (about NZ$900). Don't say this, only say he is wrong and you have video evidence.
C) Whenever he says he has proof you are in the wrong, ask to see it....IF he shows you say "Bùgòu hǎo" immediately after. (Note this is what he is doing to you).
D) Say nothing except he is wrong, you wont pay, and you have evidence he is wrong. Chinese arguments are just scare tactics.
When I learnt this, I was no longer intimidated by my wife lol

yachtie10
16th March 2010, 10:57
Wake up calls all around I'd say. Everyone tries it on when there's a grand in it - wouldn't you?


Steve

No i wouldnt because im honest

yachtie10
16th March 2010, 11:02
Hope things are sorted for you

From my experience in S.E. Asia you are doing fine. In many countries you would have been stitched up as 100% at fault and paying thousands for new scooter helmet and medical bills

there would also be many witnesses that you caused the accident because you are white (assumed? but at least a foreigner) and therefore are rich and can afford to pay

Best of luck for a fair outcome

spajohn
16th March 2010, 11:19
They were trying to screw you from the start, first the kid, then the dad, and are on the back foot a westerner (as we are all rich). Sounds like good advice from Avgas...let it be escalated so you can use the police report and video and until then don't go into any details and deny responsibility.

Dave Lobster
16th March 2010, 11:57
because you are white (assumed? but at least a foreigner) and therefore are rich and can afford to pay



Sounds like the WINZ office in Manukau.

golfmade
17th March 2010, 13:16
Wake up calls all around I'd say. Everyone tries it on when there's a grand in it - wouldn't you?


No, actually I wouldn't.


Thanks everyone. This is why I'm glad I actually glad I posted this, because I'm a bit pissed about the whole thing and not really thinking with a level head.

You're all right, in fact, why the fuck do I need to do anything? As was pointed out, I'm not looking for any money from him and as far as I'm concerned I've done nothing wrong. If he wants anything from me he needs to prove a hell of a lot of things.

So yeah, I'll still go ahead and get the full scene investigation done from the cops, hold onto my video and just wait.

As for the video itself, as soon as this sorts itself out I'll go ahead and upload it to youtube.

vtec
17th March 2010, 18:19
Yay, a crash vid on youtube. And a vision into another world (Taiwan). Everybody wins. :D

red mermaid
17th March 2010, 19:07
Accuse him of racism.

paturoa
17th March 2010, 19:28
Tell the father to fuck off. The accident was with the other person, and said other person is interested in continuing, then "bring it on"!

golfmade
18th March 2010, 01:50
I wish I was a senior member (when does that kick in anyways?) so I could see who blings me.

At the behest of someone who blinged me I uploaded the video to youtube and set it to private. Only 25 people are allowed to view the video (and already about 10 family and close friends are already seeing it) so I'm going to limit it to 10 folks here on KW biker. Additionally I ask that if you're interested to see the video please PM me and I'll send you the link but please don't share the link with others.

As for the father, he ain't even on my mind any more really. I have no reason to contact him and if he wants anything from me he's going to have to contact me. Make his ass sweat wondering when I'm going to call (which I never will).

Cheers!

Katman
14th July 2010, 08:53
While not a big bike and not serious, here's my accident I had back in January.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE4fGyzcRB4

So let's get this straight.

You're at fault for not giving way to on-coming traffic but you're trying to weasel out of it?

:scratch:

PrincessBandit
14th July 2010, 09:05
Having watched the youtube clip I have to say that was not a wise choice to turn when you did ( I assume it is the correct clip i.e. of the accident you're referring to). Admittedly camera angle can be deceptive with depth perception but I don't exactly see it as enhancing your cause. Sorry.

Katman
14th July 2010, 09:15
One of the many things he told me that needed to be fixed was his son's helmet, not only that but it was so damaged that he needed to buy a brand new one. This is lie number two as in the video that I have it is clear that his helmet never impacts the ground.



Really?

I fail to see from the video how you can make the call the his helmet never hit the ground.

Qkkid
14th July 2010, 09:23
How can you think this is not your fault ????????
He was riding along in a straight line you turned in front of him your fault ............
Did you want the world to stop while you turned
Very simple pay up, stop being stubborn and take responsibility for your piss poor judgement of turning.

dipshit
14th July 2010, 10:06
Bloody sicko's... trying to screw you for their own fault. Sad that there are so many dishonest people in the world - and yes, not really surprising when you take the location into account.

Go get these mother fuckers! Hope you win, but you should!!!!

Watch his video and imagine he was driving and it was shot from a car.

Then I bet you would be saying what you said in support for the other guy.

sil3nt
14th July 2010, 10:28
He may have been speeding but you should have seen this. Turning into oncoming traffic may be normal practice over there but they generally take a little more care!

Conquiztador
14th July 2010, 11:04
So let's get this straight.

You're at fault for not giving way to on-coming traffic but you're trying to weasel out of it?

:scratch:

Sorry dude, I totally agree with Katman (had to be a first at some stage...). If that in fact is your vid, then you are not 70% at fault. 100% is more like the figure. Pay up (no insurance in Taiwan??) and admit your fuckup like a man!

Katman
14th July 2010, 11:24
I wonder if Asians generally think to themselves 'Fuckin hopeless American drivers'.

:whistle:

Marmoot
14th July 2010, 12:12
I wonder if Asians generally think to themselves 'Fuckin hopeless American drivers'.

:whistle:

Most people would be thinking "fucking hopeless [insert other race] drivers".
It's a sad humanity truth. It has nothing to do with driving skills.
It's only sad when they feel compelled to come to the internet to cry wolf.

Forest
14th July 2010, 12:42
Christ on a cracker!

I just watched the video and it seems quite clear that you caused the accident.

Please stop giving Western expatriates a bad name and pay for the damage that you caused. :nono:

golfmade
14th July 2010, 14:06
So let's get this straight.

You're at fault for not giving way to on-coming traffic but you're trying to weasel out of it?

:scratch:

I have addmitted I was at fault, however he was going over 40km/h in a 20 km/h zone. And no, actually at no point was I trying to 'weasel' out of it. We went to arbitration and he got paid.


Having watched the youtube clip I have to say that was not a wise choice to turn when you did ( I assume it is the correct clip i.e. of the accident you're referring to). Admittedly camera angle can be deceptive with depth perception but I don't exactly see it as enhancing your cause. Sorry.

Aye well I've changed my driving habits to more right turns and fewer left turns on smaller streets like this.


Really?

I fail to see from the video how you can make the call the his helmet never hit the ground.

He goes down and rolls, doesn't look like it to me that his helmet hit the ground.


How can you think this is not your fault ????????
He was riding along in a straight line you turned in front of him your fault ............
Did you want the world to stop while you turned
Very simple pay up, stop being stubborn and take responsibility for your piss poor judgement of turning.

I never said it wasn't my fault but I didn't (and still don't believe) it was 100% my fault.


I do appreciate all the responses. Live and learn.

Katman
14th July 2010, 14:13
You seem happy to refer to the other person as a tosser and a twat.

It's clear to me, since the video's been up, that you're the twat.

golfmade
14th July 2010, 14:17
You seem happy to refer to the other person as a tosser and a twat.

It's clear to me, since the video's been up, that you're the twat.

I did such as the entire time, and afterwards, he wasn't concerned for his own safety and only wanted money from the second he opened his mouth.

You're entitled to your opinion.

blackdog
14th July 2010, 14:21
i'd want your money too if you were just responsible for smashing my scoot!

Katman
14th July 2010, 14:25
I did such as the entire time, and afterwards, he wasn't concerned for his own safety and only wanted money from the second he opened his mouth.

You're entitled to your opinion.

If you turned in front of me like that, I'd be wanting money out of you as well. Then I'd kick the shit out of you for damaging my bike through your shear stupidity. Then, if I heard about you talking yourself up on an internet site and making me look to be at fault I'd come back round and kick the shit back into you.

blackdog
14th July 2010, 14:31
....shear stupidity.... .

like posting proof of fault on youtube??!!:rofl:

bogan
14th July 2010, 14:34
To be fair if the other rider wasn't speeding the accident wouldn't have happend, if golfmade hadn't turned across his path the accident wouldn't have happened either. Easy to look at the vid and say you could see him from miles off and could judge his speed too but I'll bet it was a different story at the time. Lessons to learn are don't turn unless you are sure of whats coming! and don't speed in high traffic areas!

Brian d marge
14th July 2010, 16:18
Having watched the youtube clip I have to say that was not a wise choice to turn when you did ( I assume it is the correct clip i.e. of the accident you're referring to). Admittedly camera angle can be deceptive with depth perception but I don't exactly see it as enhancing your cause. Sorry.

+1

no1 son was speeding true , but that wasnt the wisest of choices to turn

60/40 I reckon

Stephen

Virago
14th July 2010, 16:19
I feel sorry for the poor pencil case...

dipshit
14th July 2010, 19:50
no1 son was speeding true , but that wasnt the wisest of choices to turn

60/40 I reckon

I think so too. A classic "he came out of nowhere" from one party and "he turned right in front of me" from the other party.

Any time you are travelling faster than the normal flow of traffic you risk having other people failing to give way to you.

People don't always judge the closure rate of every other vehicle... they look for the size of a gap relative to the typical flow of traffic.

You can see from these screen shots...

First one, the guy that hit him was at the same distance of the other scooters.

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Second one, he is already across the intersection line before our scooter rider begins turning.

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Third pic you can see the other scooter riders have just now reached the line.

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motorbyclist
14th July 2010, 20:05
what annoys me most is that he's only allowing youtube comments that supports his cause.

golfmade
15th July 2010, 01:24
To be fair if the other rider wasn't speeding the accident wouldn't have happend, if golfmade hadn't turned across his path the accident wouldn't have happened either. Easy to look at the vid and say you could see him from miles off and could judge his speed too but I'll bet it was a different story at the time. Lessons to learn are don't turn unless you are sure of whats coming! and don't speed in high traffic areas!

As I said I handle such intersections much more carefully now and one way of doing so is if I can avoid turning left by going one street further then making 2 right turns, I'll do so.


I feel sorry for the poor pencil case...

It has made a full recovery and does its job well.


what annoys me most is that he's only allowing youtube comments that supports his cause.

And you know this how? I'm surprised actually considering how much flak I'm getting around here (rightfully so as I do admit I was partially at fault but not COMPLETELY at fault) that people haven't left comments. I wouldn't deny comments of people that disagree with my assessment of the situation.


Perhaps I should clarify a bit as well. After we disagreed we went to arbitration, which was handled by a third party arbitrator who works for the city. We both told our sides of the story, he also looked at the official police report, and it was his judgment that it was 70 his fault / 30 my fault. I didn't think that was a fair assessment and offered 50/50. The gentleman accepted that and I paid him.

Brian d marge
15th July 2010, 01:36
Perhaps I should clarify a bit as well. After we disagreed we went to arbitration, which was handled by a third party arbitrator who works for the city. We both told our sides of the story, he also looked at the official police report, and it was his judgment that it was 70 his fault / 30 my fault. I didn't think that was a fair assessment and offered 50/50. The gentleman accepted that and I paid him.

wasnt far out with 60 /40!

and got to say well done with the Lingo

Stephen

breakaway
15th July 2010, 14:36
Who gives a fuck who's fault it is?

Imagine it was a truck and it rolled right over your head. Wouldn't matter whos' fault it was then.

This comment on youtube sums it up nicely:



boowhup
18 hours ago

Sell your scooter, you're not cut out for motorised transport

motorbyclist
16th July 2010, 17:19
And you know this how?

bacuse when i posted my comment it was "pending approval" and didn't turn up until you replied; after i mentioned it here.

co-incidence? perhaps.

Taz
16th July 2010, 17:34
The gentleman accepted that and I paid him.

Good to hear it's all sorted then.