Hunters: the roar is almost here

[T.W.R]

Well as a couple of local Hunting stores are reminding hunters that the roar is almost here and suggesting guns should be checked etc and offering for rifles to be sighted in and tested & so forth.
I wondered how often on average do we sight in our guns to ensure clean effective kills of our prey and if not often regularly do we get clean kills or have to track a wounded animal ?

I've always shot for meat so an effective shot with minimal flesh damage has been the priority and have on occasion had to track an animal to deliver the coupe de gra'ce

So how long tracking a wounded animal

1) Always a clean kill
2) less than an hour
3) less than 6hrs
4) A day
5) fark it go get another one

Sometimes it's impossible to retrieve a carcass if it's gone over a bluff or fallen down a washout etc. But all effort should be made to retrieve what you shoot or at least ensure it's dead.

[scumdog]

I'm Scottish - too stingy to waste bullets on an uncertain shot!:shifty:

[Tank]

Hoping to get out there for my first time this year - if only the 'ol bill will pass me for my firearms in time.

[NighthawkNZ]

I hunt via crossbow...

[Skyryder]

I hunt via crossbow...

Good one. Silent and steallthy.


Skyryder

[CookMySock]

I hunt via crossbow...I hunt via semi-auto spray-and-pray. Every two hundred meters I empty a magazine into the bush just for shits and giggles. Always a fun time hunting over the ridge from Tank.. Oh, did I take a wrong turn back there? Am I in the same valley? Who cares.. :shrug:

Steve

[BoristheBiter]

up to the range to put about 20 rounds through both guns but as i look after them a know where they shoot.
Always aim for head shot so they go down or it's a miss but with the dog tracking them now its not so hard if it needs tracking.

[T.W.R]

I hunt via crossbow...

:shutup: So there's far more chance of wounding the animal huh?
slightly different but in "A quiver full of hope" (bow hunting) one of the opening scenes is a shoot & wound and fail to retireve a deer. :yes:

I like the almost 100% clean kill stats :shutup: even when it's a regular event to loose animals not knowing whether or not the shot was lethal or not; it's even been written about hunters coming across easy shots only to find why.... the animals suffering from maggot infested gunshot wounds :yes:

[duckonin]

I shall say something dumb !...'Identify' your target beyond any doubt...

[peasea]

Where's the "fuck it just go to the supermarket" option?

[peasea]

I'm Scottish - too stingy to waste bullets on an uncertain shot!:shifty:

Unlike your comrades in Porirua a while back eh?

[T.W.R]

I shall say something dumb !...'Identify' your target beyond any doubt...

nothing dumb about it...it's one of the seven cardinal rules. shame not many adhere to it though :yes:

[T.W.R]

Where's the "fuck it just go to the supermarket" option?

Farmed venison tastes like shite by comparison to wild venison :niceone: totally washed out & tame in flavour

[peasea]

Farmed venison tastes like shite by comparison to wild venison :niceone: totally washed out & tame in flavour

Too true, never buy the stuff. I have a tame hunter just out of town, venison and pork in the freezer. He likes to hunt, I like to ride, it's an even keel.

[98tls]

5 shot semi 30-06 Bill,never a problem.

[Pussy]

Since I have held a CPL, I have sadly never had time to go hunting in the autumn.
Have even "lent" my .270 to my foster brother.
Stay safe out there, folks

[T.W.R]

5 shot semi 30-06 Bill,never a problem.

with a wadcutter projectiles too huh :D 30-06s make big holes I still use a trusty old 303 :yes: can put 6 shots in a circle the size of an old 50c piece at 120m :cool:

[98tls]

with a wadcutter projectiles too huh :D 30-06s make big holes I still use a trusty old 303 :yes: can put 6 shots in a circle the size of an old 50c piece at 120m :cool:

Thats wonderful mate,thing is with the 06 things are just dead,no need for 6 shots.:niceone:

[oldrider]

I just killed them clean first time first shot, saves time and pain for both parties!

[The Pastor]

If anyone is needing a hunting buddy I have no planned hunt this roar, and am dead keen to get out............... ;)

[cruza]

Thats wonderful mate,thing is with the 06 things are just dead,no need for 6 shots.:niceone:

Arhh, another -06 fan:yes: simple, easy, effective. love mine.

[cruza]

with a wadcutter projectiles too huh :D 30-06s make big holes I still use a trusty old 303 :yes: can put 6 shots in a circle the size of an old 50c piece at 120m :cool:

As long as you can source a good barrel , still great hunting rifles.

[T.W.R]

As long as you can source a good barrel , still great hunting rifles.

.303 rifles would have accounted for more large game animals than any other caliber in NZ :niceone:

[T.W.R]

Seems though that hunters are like fishermen: great at telling their exploits of conquests but rather tight lipped about the realities of their not so brilliant exploits.

A perfect hunting record is 100% impossible to achieve, there are loses & non 1 shot kills amongst the glory of special hunts as well

[98tls]

.303 rifles would have accounted for more large game animals than any other caliber in NZ :niceone:

Yea yea yea,Bill methinks i will bring the cannon up for that weekend at yours,makes the 303 feel like a 22.Vicky once had a go with it,shouldnt laugh but hey even she sees the funny side these days,set up a bit of a target,shes hard up to the scope and hits the bang button:shutup:she looks at me with the "wtf just happened stare" then a round circle of blood appears above her eye:shit:Bugger.:shifty:

[T.W.R]

Yea yea yea,Bill methinks i will bring the cannon up for that weekend at yours,makes the 303 feel like a 22.Vicky once had a go with it,shouldnt laugh but hey even she sees the funny side these days,set up a bit of a target,shes hard up to the scope and hits the bang button:shutup:she looks at me with the "wtf just happened stare" then a round circle of blood appears above her eye:shit:Bugger.:shifty:

I could start a small war with what I've got locked up here :yes: 14 rifles of various calibers and ammo for all :msn-wink: the cannon is a model 55 Marlin goose gun got a few pig slugs for it too

[98tls]

I could start a small war with what I've got locked up here :yes: 14 rifles of various calibers and ammo for all :msn-wink: the cannon is a model 55 Marlin goose gun got a few pig slugs for it too

Respect Sir.:shit:Note to self "bring the 410 in case he comes out the front door firing".:shit:

[scumdog]

Unlike your comrades in Porirua a while back eh?

They had to buy their own bullets?

[scumdog]

5 shot semi 30-06 Bill,never a problem.

308 Sako lever action (us lefties need an edge) - bought it new in '74 and it's my No1 deer rifle, never looked back...

[98tls]

308 Sako lever action (us lefties need an edge) - bought it new in '74 and it's my No1 deer rifle, never looked back...

Nice,mine is as aged,bought over from stralia when i was a tender age and passed on.

[peasea]

They had to buy their own bullets?

Hell no, they'd probably be more careful if they did. What was it; 17 shots into thin air? Epic fail.

[The Pastor]

308 Sako lever action (us lefties need an edge) - bought it new in '74 and it's my No1 deer rifle, never looked back...

really? I have the 308 marlin lever. Im less than impressed with it - its really accurate (to about 500m) and easy to shoot tho just misfires about 4 rounds out of every hundred. What round dose the sako use?

[cruza]

308 Sako lever action (us lefties need an edge) - bought it new in '74 and it's my No1 deer rifle, never looked back...

win lever 88's are another nice rifle from that era to .

[scumdog]

Hell no, they'd probably be more careful if they did. What was it; 17 shots into thin air? Epic fail.

Hell, FREE bullets?

Why not waste 'em?

One shot kill = no more reason to fire any more:(

[scumdog]

really? I have the 308 marlin lever. Im less than impressed with it - its really accurate (to about 500m) and easy to shoot tho just misfires about 4 rounds out of every hundred. What round dose the sako use?

It has a fairly short lever- throw and front locking bolt, removable 4 shot mag.(I always carry a spare loaded mag.)

3 to 9 power scope and the rifle has never let me down, getting a tad 'used' looking now.

I use to use 180 grain CAC hollow-points, now use 165 grain Lapua soft point projectiles in my reloads.

[peasea]

Hell, FREE bullets?

Why not waste 'em?

One shot kill = no more reason to fire any more:(

Well, one good reason not to waste 'em firing indiscriminately on that particular night would have been the suburban setting they were in.
No, hang on, it was Porirua. My bad.

Woulda been a hoot if they'd shot each other up tho'.

[Swoop]

Fuck going into the bush during the roar. Too many fucktards who shoot at anything (movement, etc) are wandering around in the North Island.
Especially scary are those with the ink still drying on their licences.
I'll stick to going at "other" times.

[FlangMasterJ]

Heading off to the Urewera's on Saturday with my old man (you may know him, Phil from Mainly Hunting) and his good friend. Getting choppered in and staying in the Manaohou Right Branch Hut. I haven't been out bush on a real hunt in over five years or so. I'm really looking forward to getting away from everything.

Anyone stayed in the Manaohou Hut?

[NighthawkNZ]

:shutup: So there's far more chance of wounding the animal huh?
slightly different but in "A quiver full of hope" (bow hunting) one of the opening scenes is a shoot & wound and fail to retireve a deer. :yes:

I like the almost 100% clean kill stats :shutup: even when it's a regular event to loose animals not knowing whether or not the shot was lethal or not; it's even been written about hunters coming across easy shots only to find why.... the animals suffering from maggot infested gunshot wounds :yes:

I have only once ever had to put a second bolt into my prey for a kill... not only that I wanted my bolt back...

me new crossbow (hopefully next early year)

225364

http://www.nzap.co.nz/crossbow-parker-cyclone.php#cyclo

[scumdog]

I have only once ever had to put a second bolt into my prey for a kill... not only that I wanted my bolt back...

me new crossbow (hopefully next early year)




Now if only they made a semi-auto version...:shutup:

[SMOKEU]

I've had to pump a magpie with 3 rounds of .22LR to kill it. I then feathered the bird and did an autopsy, only to find that all 3 rounds had gone through the chest area. Bloody tough birds they are!

[oldrider]

Well as a couple of local Hunting stores are reminding hunters that the roar is almost here and suggesting guns should be checked etc and offering for rifles to be sighted in and tested & so forth.
I wondered how often on average do we sight in our guns to ensure clean effective kills of our prey and if not often regularly do we get clean kills or have to track a wounded animal ?

I've always shot for meat so an effective shot with minimal flesh damage has been the priority and have on occasion had to track an animal to deliver the coupe de gra'ce

So how long tracking a wounded animal

1) Always a clean kill
2) less than an hour
3) less than 6hrs
4) A day
5) fark it go get another one

Sometimes it's impossible to retrieve a carcass if it's gone over a bluff or fallen down a washout etc. But all effort should be made to retrieve what you shoot or at least ensure it's dead.

I spray ...... I walk away! :ar15: .................................................. :nya:

[T.W.R]

I have only once ever had to put a second bolt into my prey for a kill... not only that I wanted my bolt back...

me new crossbow (hopefully next early year)

225364

http://www.nzap.co.nz/crossbow-parker-cyclone.php#cyclo

:shutup: better start feeding up on your weetbix, 175lb draw n all ya know :bleh:


I spray ...... I walk away! :ar15: .................................................. :nya:

So it's you doing the latest round of spotlighting on the coast :shit:

[NighthawkNZ]

:shutup: better start feeding up on your weetbix, 175lb draw n all ya know :bleh:

Piece of piss... all sounds heavy and most people can easily draw the weight, the hard part for example on the standard bow is holding while aiming, and you are doing with one arm, with the crossbow it locks into place and holds the bow in firing position, and pulling up the bow string with your whole body weight... The average hunting crossbow has the stopping range of about 50 yards (but wouldn't want to be any where in the 90-100yard range of it), there is also there is the art of the actual hunt invovled and that is what its all about, the actual hunt not the actual kill.

There are a few myths out there about crossbows... that they are more powerful than the long bow due to the draw weight etc... and more dangerous than guns and normal bows etc... well they are just that, myths... a compound bow with a draw weight of say 60lbs is probably equal to a crossbow of 150, 175lb crossbow is roughly equal to compound bow of 75lb this is due the the power stroke of the bows is longer, a crossbow has a shorter power stroke. Also the average crossbow has a arrow length of 16" to 20" and a bow has around 30" adding weight and momentum... advantage to the long bow. A good archer can release 3 or 4 arrows to maybe 1 arrow or bolt from the crossbow. Longbow has greater range.

However what a lot of people don’t realise with crossbows or a standard bow is, the arrow is heavier than many small calibar bullets like a .22 it gives them more momentum in flight and in their the danger zone are deadly. For example, if you have a high powered crossbow firing a 20" to 30" 425 grains arrow at 360 feet per second, with a hunting broadhead it could cut right through (not saying it can) the front of a bulletproof vest at 30 yards and keep going. There are crossbows out there that fire upto a 25' bolt and upto 425 fps like TAC-15 that also have a much longer power stroke than your standard crossbow as well.

However...
Myth: Crossbows have the knockdown power of a firearm...
Fact: Comparison tests have proven that there is a negligible ballistic difference between compound bows and crossbows. These tests disprove the claims that crossbows perform like firearms. In other words, a crossbow has no ballistic similarities to a firearm.

Myth: Crossbows make deer hunting too easy compared to standard bow...
Fact: The advantage a crossbow has over a conventional bow is that it holds the bow in the drawn, or ready to fire, position for the shooter. While shooting a crossbow is generally easier to master than shooting a vertical bow, it cannot be argued that it is just plain easy. The crossbow hunter must have the same woodsmanship ability and nearly all of the same shooting skills as the vertical bowhunter. Overall the longbow hunter has more advantages...

Myth: Crossbows are unsafe.
Fact: Used wrong any weapon designed to shoot a projectile is unsafe, however in the United States there is no increase in accidents or accidental shootings at all, their are less accidents in per head of hunters compared to other forms of hunting, including standard firearms and black powder hunting. Since 1976 we have had only 21 archery-related hunting incidents; 10 caused by longbow and 11 by crossbow.

[Banditbandit]

5 shot semi 30-06 Bill,never a problem.

Yeah .. Along with the .308 what used to be known as the "miss or mince" brigade ...

[Banditbandit]

Anyway ... it's not even Xmas and you guys are talking about the roar ? In my part of Godzone it's five months away - that's nearly half a year ....

[NighthawkNZ]

Anyway ... it's not even Xmas and you guys are talking about the roar ? In my part of Godzone it's five months away - that's nearly half a year ....


Orginal post was on time... (ish)

[munster]

Anyway ... it's not even Xmas and you guys are talking about the roar ? In my part of Godzone it's five months away - that's nearly half a year ....

Got a week booked in the Harkness in March. Counting down the sleeps already.

[T.W.R]

Piece of piss... all sounds heavy and most people can easily draw the weight, the hard part for example on the standard bow is holding while aiming, and you are doing with one arm, with the crossbow it locks into place and holds the bow in firing position, and pulling up the bow string with your whole body weight... The average hunting crossbow has the stopping range of about 50 yards (but wouldn't want to be any where in the 90-100yard range of it), there is also there is the art of the actual hunt invovled and that is what its all about, the actual hunt not the actual kill.

:scratch: phew I hadn't intended to catch such a big fish :eek: you'll be saying the camo stock helps too next :clap:

[T.W.R]

Anyway ... it's not even Xmas and you guys are talking about the roar ? In my part of Godzone it's five months away - that's nearly half a year ....

dale's pretty quick :facepalm: must have been bored as it's a bit of a pointless dredge

[NighthawkNZ]

:scratch: phew I hadn't intended to catch such a big fish :eek:

Fish...??? bow fishing with a crossbow or bow is fun... (I know, i know you weren't talking about actual fishing but... )


you'll be saying the camo stock helps too next :clap:

Nah... just looks cool... :innocent:. But its an adjustable stock so can adjust to fit my size and shooting style... :-)

[Banditbandit]

Orginal post was on time... (ish)

Sorry - yeah it was too

[Flip]

I have never had a deer take more than 3 steps, the last one I shot with a 54cal rifled muzzle loader. The Deer was facing me, at 80m the round hit it in the chest and ended up just under the skin above its arse and it broke the Deers spine on the way through.

I actually dont like going out into public land these days espically in March, twice now I have been hunted by other hunters and it just gives me the shits.

[fuknKIWI]

I actually dont like going out into public land these days espically in March, twice now I have been hunted by other hunters and it just gives me the shits.

Hmm interesting thread,glad I read it first,attracted by the fact that it now December:yes:
I was wondering what things are like in Godzone these days, with the popuklation being as large as it is...
I'm sure the bush is a lot more dangerous now than ever before, do people wear high vis gear for safety's sake, do deer see colours or not?
Hell here in WA the firearms laws are the most draconian in Oz & you aren't allowed to shoot on crown land so that's 90% of WA off limits:facepalm:

[_Shrek_]

had a 303 back in the day, but changed to 308(BSA) had it for 15 years or so don't miss unless I haven't checked sights :brick: & for the long shots 7mill magnum