The Goat of Hampton Downs

[thecougar 0]

Sunday was supposed to be a practice/warm up for the NZTT next weekend.
At the start of the fourth PRACTICE session, on the first green flag lap, I was coming over the brow of the hill into the dipper, well into braking when something confusing happened.

Some goat came on the outside of me well after the 100m board, hit my right arm/shoulder, then turned in, cutting my front wheel out, dropping me and the bike onto the ground. I expected another bike to be on the ground when i got up-that's how hard he hit me.
I was still around a few bikes-so pace wasn't an issue, neither was there any early braking or the like.
This caused over a grands worth of damage-plus time, also alot of bruising and frustration-
Not to mention throwing doubt into being able to attend the NZTT.

The best bit?
This goat, didn't even have the balls to come and apologise.
The marshels and race controll both saw the accident though didn't manage to take note of who hit me-i didn't see because i was busy tumbling, hurting and smashing a helmet.
Through lap timing and who was in front of me at the time, and speaking/ruling out other riders, it's been narrowed down to 2 possibilities...

Honda number 99, Kieran Thorp.

Whoever it wasn't I'm extremely sorry for dragging your name into it-it's just that goats like this surely need to be stopped from doing this kind of thing on a PRACTICE day, let alone in a race.
IF I'm completely wrong but someone knows/saw who did do it, I will be extremely sorry for unfounded accusations-but someone must be found for doing this.

Surely this lemon needs to pull his head in and put his hand up, obviously he's feeling rather sheepish and trying to hide away.

Any help finding this animal and letting everyone know who to keep away from would be much appreciated.

Thankyou.

As mentioned, i'm sorry for bringing other's names into what has been proven to be my fault for not riding at the correct pace.
I will serve myself up a piece of humble pie.

[gixerracer]

Yea it is bollocks when shit like that happens, bad enough when it happens in a race let alone on a track day im sure they said something about 2 meters between passing the same thing happened in the red group that munter meads kid on the zx6 took this poor guy out going down the hill in turn 1 just went round outside and cut across the front of him poor bugger had no chance and went face first into the ground very un cool.
Sunday was supposed to be a practice/warm up for the NZTT next weekend.
At the start of the fourth PRACTICE session, on the first green flag lap, I was coming over the brow of the hill into the dipper, well into braking when something confusing happened.

Some goat came on the outside of me well after the 100m board, hit my right arm/shoulder, then turned in, cutting my front wheel out, dropping me and the bike onto the ground. I expected another bike to be on the ground when i got up-that's how hard he hit me.
I was still around a few bikes-so pace wasn't an issue, neither was there any early braking or the like.
This caused over a grands worth of damage-plus time, also alot of bruising and frustration-
Not to mention throwing doubt into being able to attend the NZTT.

The best bit?
This goat, didn't even have the balls to come and apologise.
The marshels and race controll both saw the accident though didn't manage to take note of who hit me-i didn't see because i was busy tumbling, hurting and smashing a helmet.
Through lap timing and who was in front of me at the time, and speaking/ruling out other riders, it's been narrowed down to 2 possibilities...
Suzuki SV650 Number 12- Geoffrey Booth, or
Suzuki SV650 Number 137- Stephen Bassett.

Whoever it wasn't I'm extremely sorry for dragging your name into it-it's just that goats like this surely need to be stopped from doing this kind of thing on a PRACTICE day, let alone in a race.
IF I'm completely wrong but someone knows/saw who did do it, I will be extremely sorry for unfounded accusations-but someone must be found for doing this.

Surely this lemon needs to pull his head in and put his hand up, obviously he's feeling rather sheepish and trying to hide away.

Any help finding this animal and letting everyone know who to keep away from would be much appreciated.

Thankyou.

[Nonbeliever]

some guys just don't give a fuck about anyone else on the track,even when the "victim" gets injured.

[thecougar 0]

Yea, pretty unhappy about all the damage-especially having to fork out for another helmet.
But for the dropkick to not even show his face to try explain himself...
I guess him being on a 650 means it's okay to smash through 125s.
Not so clever some people.

[scrivy]

Dontcha just love PRACTICE days!! A time for tossers to fuck up someone elses property by being a complete dick!!
Surely other riders there could have told you who it was???? Could you not even make out a colour of bike??

Practice days - turning wannabie racers into heros........ NOT!!

[thecougar 0]

Dontcha just love PRACTICE days!! A time for tossers to fuck up someone elses property by being a complete dick!!
Surely other riders there could have told you who it was???? Could you not even make out a colour of bike??

Practice days - turning wannabie racers into heros........ NOT!!

I was looking towards the inside of the corner when i just felt a wack on my arm, then the front was hit hard by the other bike turning across me. I couldn't see alot as I was tumbling and rolling. When i got up I looked up to the people watching but couldn't get up to them untill after the session had finished. I asked the marshels-they pointed out a bike which they said was him because his leathers were ripped-after angrily approaching him, I found out there was no way it was him.
I know the marshels are a great help and we couldn't be there without them-but this time i was left rather humbled by their wrong points of advice. They said that race control had seen the accident, so I would've thought they'd want to speak to the other rider.
Guess not.
Like I've said-with the lap timing readouts, and remembering who was in front of me at the time-there was only 2 riders left who could've been behind me going into that point.
But I'm trying to stay slightly calm and not accuse the wrong person again.
The joys of motorsport. As if it isn't hard enough to make the grids! haha

[Shaun]

I was looking towards the inside of the corner when i just felt a wack on my arm, then the front was hit hard by the other bike turning across me. I couldn't see alot as I was tumbling and rolling. When i got up I looked up to the people watching but couldn't get up to them untill after the session had finished. I asked the marshels-they pointed out a bike which they said was him because his leathers were ripped-after angrily approaching him, I found out there was no way it was him.
I know the marshels are a great help and we couldn't be there without them-but this time i was left rather humbled by their wrong points of advice. They said that race control had seen the accident, so I would've thought they'd want to speak to the other rider.
Guess not.
Like I've said-with the lap timing readouts, and remembering who was in front of me at the time-there was only 2 riders left who could've been behind me going into that point.
But I'm trying to stay slightly calm and not accuse the wrong person again.
The joys of motorsport. As if it isn't hard enough to make the grids! haha



Well why NOT DELETE the names you have named then, UNILL you know who it was then 100%

[scrivy]

I can't believe other riders following you didn't come forward to tell you who it was! That sucks!

[thecougar 0]

Well why NOT DELETE the names you have named then, UNILL you know who it was then 100%

If one of these two gentleman can confirm it wasn't them-then hey presto-we have a winner.

[Shaun]

If one of these two gentleman can confirm it wasn't them-then hey presto-we have a winner.

Good luck with your racing career then. Do you even know if either of them are members on here?

[R6_kid]

Yea it is bollocks when shit like that happens, bad enough when it happens in a race let alone on a track day im sure they said something about 2 meters between passing the same thing happened in the red group that munter meads kid on the zx6 took this poor guy out going down the hill in turn 1 just went round outside and cut across the front of him poor bugger had no chance and went face first into the ground very un cool.

That was nasty to see, I saw them coming into the corner and was about to get on the radio to call in the close passing, before I'd pressed the button to talk they'd contacted and the gsxr/sv(?) was on it's way down.

[thecougar 0]

Good luck with your racing career then. Do you even know if either of them are members on here?

As this is a general motorcycling race forum, i thought that someone who was watching may have seen it and be able to help out. Or know either of these people.
You suggest just be quiet and because i was upside down-not being able to see who hit me, forget all about it?
I know you're going to say-don't put names out there if you don't know who it is.
I'm not accusing these people of murder, just trying to find out who's been riding like a fuckwit.
Like I've said-if it's no one who's hit me and I've blamed the wrong people. I'll be the first to put my hand up and eat the worlds biggest humble pie.
But-I think it'd be nice to know who's driving round like a bulldozer.

If this happens everytime I goto a practice day-there won't be much of a career.

[CookMySock]

I watched my sons soccer team coach yelling at them not to let the pressure off (score was 20:1 to them) and cringed at the beating they were giving out, when I realised that life is kinda like soccer - and at the very least competitive sport is exactly like soccer - play the rulebook, play the player not the ball, exploit the grey area, and generally show no care for anyones feelings - especially after you have just given them a fucking good thrashing.

It sucks to hear about your scraped-up bike, but sometimes sport is like that. You will be better served to get angry and get even - none of this giving up and crying shit.

So sort your bike and get out there and make them pay. Lets see it?

Steve

[R6_kid]

While I do feel sorry for you due to the cost and injury incurred, I'm still left wondering exactly what you're expecting to get out of this by finding out who took you out?

In my opinion you can either be a Collin Edwards or a Nicky Hayden. Collin Edwards get's on with life and his philosophy is "that's racing", he moves on and worries about getting sorted for the next race. Nicky Hayden bitches and moans and tries to pick fights with whoever took him out, like he's on a holy mission to destroy all those who oppose his progress, he then end's up in a hole and takes a fair while longer to get back to where he was.

It's easy to see who is more consistent with their racing, and I'd say that it's a lot to do with their attitude. Unfortunately the only help you're likely to get is "suck it up and come back fighting hard next time". Think of it as character building :)

[scrivy]

It sucks to hear about your scraped-up bike, but sometimes sport is like that. You will be better served to get angry and get even - none of this giving up and crying shit.

So sort your bike and get out there and make them pay. Lets see it?

Steve

Might be alright in some sports that can't cause death......................

MNZ's code of conduct rules and other clauses basically say retribution will be liable for expulsion......
That would put an end to 'thecougars' racing interests for sure!!

[denill]

In my opinion you can either be a Collin Edwards or a Nicky Hayden.

Yeah, you make good points.

So Cougar, when you find out who the 'villain' is, what're you going to do? :shifty: :shifty:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Mate, I know it sucks and at the time it understandable to be really fired up and want to get back at the person that has caused you all this greif, but it is highly unlikely that someone hit you intentionally and it was just a accident. I think the best thing you could do is not let it drag on, accept that has happened and move on. A sorry from the person would have been nice and quite appropriate but it's not exactly going to undo what has already happened.

Good luck with getting your bike sorted for the NZTT!

[scrivy]

Unfortunately the only help you're likely to get is "suck it up and come back fighting hard next time". Think of it as character building :)

er.... didn't this shit happen on the first green lap of a PRACTICE session??

How is it character building when some fuckwit takes you out by being a dick in practice?? Everyone should know better. We should never condone such actions of fellow racers.
I shudder to think what would happen if we allow low IQ munters on the track at the same time as say Superbikes are out there on their expensive beasts. "Oh, who took him out? Doesn't matter, he'll spend lots of money repairing it....." "Oh look, he's been taken out again......." "He'll get over it...." "It'll harden him up........"

I think all 'thecougar' would like to do is pull him aside and tell him his wrong doings. If more people did it, then some people may just pull their heads in!

[thecougar 0]

I was just rather unsure of what happens to people who go around causing accidents/taking people out on practice days.
Obviously I'm not so familiar with the eticate.
Apon hearing it's just tough luck, we just have to be quiet, take it like a man and try fix everything while next time come back-be hard and be the one taking people out.
Enough said. I'll just start repairing and look forward to being the silent aggressor.

[White trash]

Yea it is bollocks when shit like that happens, bad enough when it happens in a race let alone on a track day im sure they said something about 2 meters between passing the same thing happened in the red group that munter meads kid on the zx6 took this poor guy out going down the hill in turn 1 just went round outside and cut across the front of him poor bugger had no chance and went face first into the ground very un cool.

Really? That sounds a bit out of character for Meads.........

[scrivy]

I was just rather unsure of what happens to people who go around causing accidents/taking people out on practice days.
Obviously I'm not so familiar with the eticate.
Apon hearing it's just tough luck, we just have to be quiet, take it like a man and try fix everything while next time come back-be hard and be the one taking people out.
Enough said. I'll just start repairing and look forward to being the silent aggressor.

That's unfortunate dude.

And we wonder why there aren't many people looking at doing our supposedly elite Nationals.
If we tell newbies to harden the fuck up and get on with it, how the hell do we ever grow our sport????
If someone takes someone else out, they should be the one to harden the fuck up and go over and apologise, or have I missed something?

[R6_kid]

er.... didn't this shit happen on the first green lap of a PRACTICE session??

How is it character building when some fuckwit takes you out by being a dick in practice?? Everyone should know better. We should never condone such actions of fellow racers.
I shudder to think what would happen if we allow low IQ munters on the track at the same time as say Superbikes are out there on their expensive beasts. "Oh, who took him out? Doesn't matter, he'll spend lots of money repairing it....." "Oh look, he's been taken out again......." "He'll get over it...." "It'll harden him up........"

I think all 'thecougar' would like to do is pull him aside and tell him his wrong doings. If more people did it, then some people may just pull their heads in!

You're 100% right. It would seem that the other guy was going far too hard in a practice session, I don't doubt that, and I certainly don't condone riding like a cock and causing injury or loss to another rider and then not owning up to it. All I'm saying is that you can either choose to dwell on it, or move on and focus on being well prepared for your race. If you couldn't get it sorted on the day I don't see the point in dragging it out and having it hanging over your head, possibly affecting your performance next time out.

What I do think is shit is that race/course control didn't do anything to sort it out straight away, certainly if rider safety is being put in jeopardy then it'd be your number one priority to sort it out before letting the riders out on the track. On Monday at the Hampton Downs Ride Day that's exactly how it was handled - as soon as the bike went down, and it was made clear that it was a bike-bike collision, the first the the organisers wanted to know was who was at fault so that it could be cleared up, and appropriate warnings given out to the riders in question.

[Kiwi Graham]

Its a bitter pill we have to sometimes swallow when racing. Accidents do happen, they can also be avoided.

My pill has cost me over $5k so far and its still not finished.

Rules of engagement are simple it is the resposibility of the overtaking rider to do so safely. You can be a close as you like without the contact ;)

Good luck with the rebuild hope it doesnt cost a fortune and the parts are readily available. Suck it up and move on.

[Maido]

I am pretty sure some people just have absolutely no idea how long their bikes are when they are passing.

[CookMySock]

MNZ's code of conduct rules and other clauses basically say retribution will be liable for expulsion...... That would put an end to 'thecougars' racing interests for sure!!I didn't mean beat him up - I meant get out there and win.

Steve

[Nonbeliever]

In my opinion you can either be a Collin Edwards or a Nicky Hayden. Collin Edwards get's on with life and his philosophy is "that's racing", he moves on and worries about getting sorted for the next race. Nicky Hayden bitches and moans and tries to pick fights with whoever took him out, like he's on a holy mission to destroy all those who oppose his progress, he then end's up in a hole and takes a fair while longer to get back to where he was.

It's easy to see who is more consistent with their racing, and I'd say that it's a lot to do with their attitude.

In the future when you read the list of motogp champions you'll see the name N Hayden for the year 2006.C Edwards will not get a mention.He hasnt even won a motogp race has he?

btw, I actually like Colin.

[I14]

[QUOTE=Kiwi Graham;1129686609]Its a bitter pill we have to sometimes swallow when racing. Accidents do happen, they can also be avoided.

My pill has cost me over $5k so far and its still not finished.

Rules of engagement are simple it is the resposibility of the overtaking rider to do so safely. You can be a close as you like without the contact ;)

The trouble is peoples' definition of "safety" tends to vary. I was racing at Taupo on Sunday in Post Classics on my VFR duelling with another guy on a VFR plus 2 others on LC350 Yammies. The 2 VFR's were taking similar lines but particularly 1 of the LC's would stuff it up the inside on slow corners on a really tight line. So you choose your spot, tip in, completely unaware of anyone close behind, you get within a bikelength of the apex at maximum lean and suddenly this LC appears virtually rubbing shoulders. You have no option but to stand it up and hope like shit you don't run off the track. The guy watches too much MotoGP. The responsiblity should be on the overtaker to do it safely right? In my view, but obviously not his, that's not safe. Unless I avoid him then a collision WILL occur. A different matter if he stuffed it up just before you tipped in but you shouldn't have to drastically steer to avoid a collision without nay attempt by the other party to avoid it?

HTFU??

[KS34]

I feel for ya, absolute shit behavour on the track! On the positive side one thing that stuck out like dog nuts at the Manfeild nationals round was that the fast guys gave us slower ones shed loads of room so I suppose it goes to show there are no excuses.

[sidecar bob]

Its the whole new youth attitude, if you can get away without manning up, then do so.
Reminds me of Wanganui Cemetary circiut a couple of years ago when some fucktard dropped his fully laden bike into the side of my car when parking & buggered off causing $1500 of damage.
It seems people arent born with a spine anymore.

[R6_kid]

In the future when you read the list of motogp champions you'll see the name N Hayden for the year 2006.C Edwards will not get a mention.He hasnt even won a motogp race has he?

Two World Superbike championships and one runner up ain't bad. Colin Edwards II is Mr Consistent. He certainly rides a lot more predictably race to race than Nicky Hayden does. For the last two years he's been the fastest overall out of the Satellite Teams, so while he's no MotoGP champion, he's certainly not an average rider!

[woodyracer]

Remember this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF0dC9iHNrQ thats what happens!

But would be as pissed off as you if someone did that to me, At least you arnt seriously hurt

[I14]

My LC mate must've watched that between races!!!

[scracha]

1 of the LC's would stuff it up the inside on slow corners on a really tight line. So you choose your spot, tip in, completely unaware of anyone close behind, you get within a bikelength of the apex at maximum lean and suddenly this LC appears virtually rubbing shoulders.
You can't be at max lean if he's stuffing it up the inside.
Why give him the gap if he's already pulled that manouve?
You have elbows...use them

[suzuki21]

that munter meads kid on the zx6 took this poor guy out going down the hill in turn 1 just went round outside and cut across the front of him poor bugger had no chance and went face first into the ground very un cool.

Did the other guy just overshoot? Bryce normally takes people out on the inside!

[gixerracer]

There was about 5 of us all together so I guess he didnt have room and had to take what he could get lol
Did the other guy just overshoot? Bryce normally takes people out on the inside!

[I14]

You can't be at max lean if he's stuffing it up the inside.
Why give him the gap if he's already pulled that manouve?
You have elbows...use them

My elbow would hit the ground Stevie! You're right in that I should be coming in with a tighter line anyway so there's no room for him but 1. you gotta know he's there and 2. because our lines were so different our converging angles were about 30 degrees so unless I stood the bike up it's almost a T-bone.

[evol mas]

Really? That sounds a bit out of character for Meads.........
hahahahahahahahaah ....... no coment

[Shaun]

hahahahahahahahaah ....... no coment



He needs speaking to by some one from MNZ

[cowpoos]

Sunday was supposed to be a practice/warm up for the NZTT next weekend.
At the start of the fourth PRACTICE session, on the first green flag lap, I was coming over the brow of the hill into the dipper, well into braking when something confusing happened.

Some goat came on the outside of me well after the 100m board, hit my right arm/shoulder, then turned in, cutting my front wheel out, dropping me and the bike onto the ground. I expected another bike to be on the ground when i got up-that's how hard he hit me.
I was still around a few bikes-so pace wasn't an issue, neither was there any early braking or the like.
This caused over a grands worth of damage-plus time, also alot of bruising and frustration-
Not to mention throwing doubt into being able to attend the NZTT.

The best bit?
This goat, didn't even have the balls to come and apologise.
The marshels and race controll both saw the accident though didn't manage to take note of who hit me-i didn't see because i was busy tumbling, hurting and smashing a helmet.
Through lap timing and who was in front of me at the time, and speaking/ruling out other riders, it's been narrowed down to 2 possibilities...

Honda number 99, Kieran Thorp.

Whoever it wasn't I'm extremely sorry for dragging your name into it-it's just that goats like this surely need to be stopped from doing this kind of thing on a PRACTICE day, let alone in a race.
IF I'm completely wrong but someone knows/saw who did do it, I will be extremely sorry for unfounded accusations-but someone must be found for doing this.

Surely this lemon needs to pull his head in and put his hand up, obviously he's feeling rather sheepish and trying to hide away.

Any help finding this animal and letting everyone know who to keep away from would be much appreciated.

Thankyou.

As mentioned, i'm sorry for bringing other's names into what has been proven to be my fault for not riding at the correct pace.
I will serve myself up a piece of humble pie.

How do we know it wasn't you that was at fault??

[Kickaha]

How do we know it wasn't you that was at fault??

Because he said so dumbarse

[cowpoos]

Because he said so dumbarse

Sorry master... :P

[suzuki21]

I guess him being on a 650 means it's okay to smash through 125s.
Not so clever some people.

I assume you have no aspirations to ride overseas otherwise you wouldnt be complaining about somefairing bashing etc, also why is a SV650 passing around the outside of a 125? Sounds like you overcooked it going in to the corner to me.

[sidecar bob]

He needs speaking to by some one from MNZ

Yep, that will definitely sort the problem.

[Maido]

Love how everyone has obviously read the follow up thread on this and have now decided to comment. GG people GG.

[codgyoleracer]

I assume you have no aspirations to ride overseas otherwise you wouldnt be complaining about somefairing bashing etc, also why is a SV650 passing around the outside of a 125? Sounds like you overcooked it going in to the corner to me.

Dontya know SV's do that all the time, - fastest commuter bike ever built (except for Fireblades of course)

[scott2ride]

Hey there. I havent posted in a long while. And I dont know what Scooterboy wants to achieve. But I understand his need to find out and to vent his frustrations. I feel the same way...

I was the 'poor bastard' mentioned by 2 others earlier in the thread, that got knocked off by Meads on his ZX6 on the same corner at a track day in the fast group last week. It was only the start of lap 2 and with no tire warmers at hampton you take it easy for the first couple. Meads ignores the 2m passing rile and comes around the outside of a group of us, swings in hard and bloody recklessly and smashes into the side of me as Im leaning fully over and into the turn. I was on a tight line and staying on line. He just nailed me. Christ, everyone was just cruzing at this point at 80% pace and he deliberately cut accross my line to 'cut me up' and show his 'skills'. He currently leads the 600cc points board so there is no denying he can ride. But fook me, it was such an unnecessary and careless move and I could easily have been killed or more seriously injured. As it is Im still in lots of pain and my bike and gear is trashed. It will cost me about $6-7000 to replace all my gear and to repair the bike.

Meads's attitude was that he didnt give a shit. He was even requested by the officials to come over and to check on me an apologize for knocking me off. And he didnt even do that, despite being setup just 50m from me. I waited till he was about to leave (as he was packing up to go) and limped over to speak to him... arm in sling, grazed and fucking sore. I didnt get angry or raise my voice and simply said Hi, and introduced myself as the guy he knocked off. His reply was "Yeah, thats just racing mate". To which I replied, "we weren't racing, it was a track day and we were barely out of the warm up lap."...
His reply again... "Oh well thats just how it is racing mate!" (or something similar.) He showed no remorse and he even mentioned that he was asked to go and talk to me but hat he didnt bother because he said he wasnt sure which bike it was.... I mentioned it wasnt hard for me to check the pits and find a green bike with paint on it that matched my bike. So I didnt think it would be too tough for him to work out which bike was all smashed up.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is he showed no remorse for the incident and didnt even ask if I was ok or the bike was ok. In the end I was starting to get pissed off with his attitude and that of his fater and suggested maybe they could do the sportsman like thing and help contribute to the repair of the bike they trashed. They just got rude and abusive. In the end I told hi I'd sue him for the damage as he was so reckless and careless and had total disregard for my life and those on other bikes. And as it turns out he has done this to others as well, knocking them off their bikes. I have to say he and his father were very very close to being given a bit of a slap around... but fortunately for them we had already been approached by the organizers and specifically requested not to turn it into a fight or a scene, other wise we would be banned as well.

Not much I can do but vent... though it feels better to have done so.

Let me know if you know of anyone else who he has knocked off.

Hmmm... maybe one day his antics will get him banned. Hopefully in the mean time no-one gets killed or injured more seriously.

Cheers

[Bren_chch]

damn - that sucks!! What a poor attitude. you did well in keeping it together.

[suzuki21]

Instead of crying about things why not go out and beat him? This whole season has turned into a crybaby theme. Yes - some people are too agressive and can cause crashes, Yes sometimes your bike gets damaged. We "race" not do timetrials.
You say he hit you, but have you thought about the fact that he may have thought you hit him?
Everyone being crybaby on this forum probably thinks it's cool when they see Rossi do it on TV.

[vinducati]

I think the point the rider who got knocked off at the RideDay is making is that, at a RideDay you should respect the rules of the RIDEDAY.
Which in the case of Californian Superbike School Days indicates keeping 2 metres from the other bike at all times.
If you attend these days then you should play by those rules.
If you wish to race you should attend Race Practice days and Race Days.
I hope organisers of the RIDEDAYS take a good look at someone who makes a comment at a RIDEDAY like "that's just racing.." as the person should not be riding with that attitude.
Cheers and respect to al the riders entered in the Nationals this weekend, looking forward to it.

[scott2ride]

Instead of crying about things why not go out and beat him? This whole season has turned into a crybaby theme. Yes - some people are too agressive and can cause crashes, Yes sometimes your bike gets damaged. We "race" not do timetrials.
You say he hit you, but have you thought about the fact that he may have thought you hit him?
Everyone being crybaby on this forum probably thinks it's cool when they see Rossi do it on TV.
I think you should get things into context before accusing people of being a cry baby or suggesting I should go out and beat him. (Though he is bloody lucky he didnt get a total beating.)

Some perspective... I am not racing in the nationals, in fact havent raced since 1989. I was out to have a safe fun track day. Im fast enough for the fast group and as a group they tend to know what they are doing.

It wasnt racing... It wasnt a race practice day either. It wasnt a competitive event. It was a California Superbike school Track day. Thats it. Just a track day. But of significance it what they told us at that track day.

At the riders briefing we were told at least 2 times that there was a 2 meter passing rule in force. And if we couldn’t pass with a safety margin of 2 meters then dont pass. Anyone passing unsafely will be reprimanded and serious offences banned.

Ok I thought. They made it pretty clear.

BUT.... then immediately after the riders briefing they asked all the fast group to wait and they had additional words to us. They reiterated the no passing unless 2 meters rule and advised us that there were a number of riders here who were competing in the Nationals. They directed the next comments to the racers and stated this is NOT a race day. This is NOT a practice day. There will be NO timing equipment used and that the racers must take extra care as there were many non-racers out there. They said they wouldn’t tolerate riders not adhering to the rules. etc...

So our mate Meads has no excuse for his behaviour on the track and certainly no excuse for his attitude off it.

Im certain that if it was any one of you and you just had your bike and gear trashed ( bike damaged $3000, new gloves $333, Leathers, $1,700. Boots $600 & Arai RX7 Corsair helmet $1300 etc...) that you would not be impressed either.

It was NOT a racing accident. It was a racer who decided to "show us his skills" by diving in on us and cutting us up completely unnecessarily, at the end of the bloody warm up! It was careless, reckless, dangerous and totally pointless.

His stupidity could easily have resulted in some serious injuries to both of us. Possibly even killing either of us. He is young and cocky and fast and thinks he is invincible. Im in my 40s, have a lovely wife (18 yrs married) and a 6, 4 and 2 year old. So I have something to live for and am well aware of my mortality. I go to track days to go fast in relative safety. No one needs this shit, especially so unnecessary. As it is my shoulder, back and knee are fooked and I haven’t been able to sleep due to the discomfort. And yes, thats the price I pay for doing a track day and hitting the tarmac. But it would be a much easier pill to swallow if you knew the person who caused it felt it was a genuine accident and showed some concern for what happened. But his attitude and comments to me (And his past history of doing this to others) shows he cut me up deliberately to show off and that he doesn’t give a shit.

Maybe being invincible, immortal and having good sponsorship to pay for everything helps too eh!

[vinducati]

Did the organisers speak to the rider who knocked you off?
They seem to make it quite clear that they would remove people from the day and possibly any future RideDays for exactly this type of thing.

[scott2ride]

Yes they did talk to Meads. They had some "Stern words" to him (Their words to me) and told him it was unacceptable and dangerous and that he also needed to apologize to me (which he didnt do). Darren from California SB School said he was going to throw him out as well, but when he got up to see him and have words with him he discovered he was packing up anyway (apparently Meads cracked his link pipe or header). And I have also been advised that he is likely to be blacklisted for future events as they were very unimpressed with the incident and his attitude.

[vinducati]

Glad to here that.
That is why I will continue to attend RideDays run by CSS.

[nick2slow]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on

I think you should get things into context before accusing people of being a cry baby or suggesting I should go out and beat him. (Though he is bloody lucky he didnt get a total beating.)

Some perspective... I am not racing in the nationals, in fact havent raced since 1989. I was out to have a safe fun track day. Im fast enough for the fast group and as a group they tend to know what they are doing.

It wasnt racing... It wasnt a race practice day either. It wasnt a competitive event. It was a California Superbike school Track day. Thats it. Just a track day. But of significance it what they told us at that track day.

At the riders briefing we were told at least 2 times that there was a 2 meter passing rule in force. And if we couldn’t pass with a safety margin of 2 meters then dont pass. Anyone passing unsafely will be reprimanded and serious offences banned.

Ok I thought. They made it pretty clear.

BUT.... then immediately after the riders briefing they asked all the fast group to wait and they had additional words to us. They reiterated the no passing unless 2 meters rule and advised us that there were a number of riders here who were competing in the Nationals. They directed the next comments to the racers and stated this is NOT a race day. This is NOT a practice day. There will be NO timing equipment used and that the racers must take extra care as there were many non-racers out there. They said they wouldn’t tolerate riders not adhering to the rules. etc...

So our mate Meads has no excuse for his behaviour on the track and certainly no excuse for his attitude off it.

Im certain that if it was any one of you and you just had your bike and gear trashed ( bike damaged $3000, new gloves $333, Leathers, $1,700. Boots $600 & Arai RX7 Corsair helmet $1300 etc...) that you would not be impressed either.

It was NOT a racing accident. It was a racer who decided to "show us his skills" by diving in on us and cutting us up completely unnecessarily, at the end of the bloody warm up! It was careless, reckless, dangerous and totally pointless.

His stupidity could easily have resulted in some serious injuries to both of us. Possibly even killing either of us. He is young and cocky and fast and thinks he is invincible. Im in my 40s, have a lovely wife (18 yrs married) and a 6, 4 and 2 year old. So I have something to live for and am well aware of my mortality. I go to track days to go fast in relative safety. No one needs this shit, especially so unnecessary. As it is my shoulder, back and knee are fooked and I haven’t been able to sleep due to the discomfort. And yes, thats the price I pay for doing a track day and hitting the tarmac. But it would be a much easier pill to swallow if you knew the person who caused it felt it was a genuine accident and showed some concern for what happened. But his attitude and comments to me (And his past history of doing this to others) shows he cut me up deliberately to show off and that he doesn’t give a shit.

Maybe being invincible, immortal and having good sponsorship to pay for everything helps too eh!

[CHOPPA]

Maybe we should get Sam Love to sort him out! Oh wait...

[Bren_chch]

Maybe we should get Sam Love to sort him out! Oh wait... haha nice!

he's too busy paying off a triumph :O

[Tony.OK]

So whats so different about someone venting a little online compared with racers throwing complete tanty's at the track? Been a bit of that in the past has there not?

If someone's dangerous out there then its good to know IMO.

I think a racer should know better than to use a "public trackday" as a proper test day, no glory in beating "joe public" on his roadbike, just small cock syndrome!

[cowpoos]

follow up thread...whats it called?

[scracha]

His reply was "Yeah, thats just racing mate". To which I replied, "we weren't racing, it was a track day and we were barely out of the warm up lap."...


What happens on track, stays on track. To that effect, heal up and smash him bro!

[suzuki21]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on

(Meads is leading 600ss class points). What you say is true about the rest Nick, Whinging on a website does any sport no good. Shit - I could say on multiple forums that Andrew Stroud is a mean short person and cant ride for shit, and the next thing you know people believe it! People need to remember the internet is only there for porn - nothing else (hell yeah)

[suzuki21]

Hey Nick, was F@^Ken funny when watching an interview of you on TV - Mikayla pointed at the TV and yelled out danger! Sorry to use you as the stranger danger example at Manfield, but I guess your wife wished for the same warning training a few years ago!

[quickbuck]

I was the 'poor bastard' mentioned by 2 others earlier in the thread, that got knocked off by Meads on his ZX6

Sorry to hear of this sort of behaviour mate.
In the words of Troy Corser, "Pay Back's a beach", or something like that ;)
As Nick said, good thing you had top gear on.... Shame it happened at all though.... I know, even with the best gear, it still freaken hurts! Hope you heal up okay.

I know our (Team Air Force) 600 Rider got a few stern words spoken to him when he passed another race bike within 1.5m a few ride days back....
It was Race Bike on Race bike, and it actually looked pretty safe according to the marshal, but Darren wouldn't have any of it.... Fair enough, his train set...
I don't think Mr Mead will be welcome back....

Now, as for Mr Corsers comment.... well, actually, I prefer to believe in a thing called Karma.
A lot less of the lowering of standards involved.

Keep your chin up Scott.

[Deano]

Maybe we should get Sam Love to sort him out! Oh wait...

Hey I heard that there was a video of that incident on you tube - I did a search but couldn't find it - anyone ideas ?

I saw the crash but not the 'retribution'. IMO there was no way in a million years he was going to pull off that move on Sam - personally I'm glad I don't race in SS - I don't want to share the same piece of track with munters like that.

[Cracker]

I am with Scott, made me angry. " What happens on track, stays on track", "bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you", is just naive woffle. Horseshit!

Fact is a fair swag of us have young children and business to run. Riding fast track days is our escape from that. A cock up like that has major leaque implications. I would have gone postal on the kids father too. I don't give a shit of the legal rights of an arsehole.

I arrived that day late and then failed the scrutineering for my track bike. Had to race home and get my slow road bike. Had the best track day for a long time, missed the breifing (2 meter rule) and engaged in some tight riding with riders on fast bikes riding good lines where they got me on the straight and I got them on the slow corners. Cheap thrills and we all had close action fun. Come back Scott.

[scracha]

I am with Scott, made me angry. " What happens on track, stays on track", "bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you", is just naive woffle. Horseshit!.
Fuck....my bad. I forgot kiwi's don't do sarcasm. I thought the "smash him bro" comment would have been a good enough hint but obviously not.

[quickbuck]

Fuck....my bad. I forgot kiwi's don't do sarcasm. I thought the "smash him bro" comment would have been a good enough hint but obviously not.

It was that bloody accent that hid the sound of your tounge stuck in your cheek, again.

[Cracker]

"Smash him Bro"

Sheez mate, I'm 50 years old, that classey bullshit jargon doesn't mean anything to me.
Have a look at sport 20 years ago and our results were not built on that bullshit. Next track day is 29 th March, Kiwitrack Days reinvented, Good luck Steve.

[Biggles08]

Just to add a different slant to this thread, I was in the race where Bryce Meads crashed into Sam Love but unfortunately didn't see the actual incident. From all accounts Bryce fucked up in this case (And he doesn't seem to deny this)....Also, this last incident with you Scott, I was also on the track and had just overtaken you so once again never actually saw the incident so can't comment on what exactly happened (I think Bryce was keen to sit on my tail and hence was trying to stick to the back of me for that session).

However, of course Bryce had a completely different opinion than you as to what had happened rightly or wrongly. I agree with lots that has been said on this thread and can also understand how this sort of thing happens. Track days are a funny thing...we are there to go fast but not race....problem is, in a racers mind they may have actually slowed down and in their minds they are riding 'to the conditions' but to the road riders out there at the same time it may appear very different. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way defending or condoning any bad riding that may have occurred, all I'm saying is I can see there is a different viewpoint from a racers perspective than a fast track day riders perspective. A similar thing happened to me when I was only riding track days...Paul Brown went around the outside of me in turn 7 at Taupo and hit the outside of my bike....I was VERY pissed off with him and went over and confronted him about it...he seemed to me to have an attitude exactly the way you have described how Bryce reacted to you...unconcerned. I was angry at him for some time after this event but now realize how it happened....it was no big deal to him as he was completely used to racing environments yet to me it was a massive deal! Because of this differing viewpoints, I seldom do any track days now as it is too dangerous mixing racers with road riders.

A couple of times I went to overtake some road riders on the track that day and they took a drastically different line to what I was expecting and I had to change my intentions very quickly in order to avoid breaking the 2m rule. The thing is, race lines are usually a lot different to road lines....wider entry's and later braking normally, this could go somewhat to explain what happened to you Scott...I understand Bryce came around the outside and closed the door on you? Anyway, I know for myself I give track day riders plenty of room while in the corner for my own sake....I have seen too many weird lines so I figure its in my own interest (not saying you were running any weird lines as I didn't see any of it)!

After the Sam Love incident Bryce seemed to slow down a bit and hence I started having some race battles with him through the remainder of the winter series. I had heard bad shit about him and his riding so was a little cautious at first. Eventually we were hammering it hard out on the track together, rubbing fairings and totally committed to beating each other....through all of this I was very pleasantly surprised at his skill level and I now feel very comfortable racing in the same patch of track with him...like I said, this is only my experience with him and obviously others such as yourself have had conflicting experiences with him. Touch wood I don't :-)

On another note to ponder, I wonder if Hampton Downs Track Days would consider having a class for Race License holders only this close to the National Round next year. Obviously there was going to be a lot of racers there testing bikes and practicing, it seems a logical solution for a temporary period around this time each year...just a thought.

Hope your body heals up quick Scott and remember I have a good Helmet for ya if your keen on a replacement ;-)

Cheers
Biggles

[Billy]

Absolutely on the money Marcus,Racers should never be on the track at the same time as roadriders and this is a classic example why.

As slow as I am now I still wont consider going out with any group other than race at a trackday,Roadriders fast or slow are horrendously indecisive and lack the basic knowledge involved with racing a bike.All trackday operators should be running RACE ONLY classes too avoid this sort of thing happening again

[raftn]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on


........................

[scott2ride]

Hey guys. Thanks for all the comments. Some I agree with and some I dont. :)

I didnt intend for this thread to be hijacked and end up about Meads knocking me off. So I apologize to 'TheCougar" for that (Come to think of it...the cougar is what we call my mates ex-wife :D )

Look I dont have any malice towards Bryce Meads and I certainly dont want to see or hear of him (or anyone else) getting hurt in an accident. But to suggest that a General Bikers forum isnt the place to discuss these sorts of things is also somewhat short sighted. Yep... I had my whinge about the guy who knocked me off. But the thread was started by the cougar as he got knocked off, then Gixerracer brought up that I was knocked off the same way last week. So I simply chimed in to say what happened.

I know Im not racing in the Nationals. But I have 2 friends who are. One is mid pack in the nationals on a 1000cc superbike and the other a mid-tail Pro Twins racer. Both of which generally speaking I keep up with on track and one I occasionally beat. So although I dont race Im not a novice either, and despite what Meads may say to lay blame, I wasnt off line in the slightest or running wide. Hell... we wern't even at a serious pace at this point. Meads just decided to slam dunk us and swoop in to show he was a riding God. Well I'll give him a +1 for not coming off after he hit me, but a -2 for taking me out with a reckless move.

Biggles I do recall you passed us towards the end of the front straight, but your's wasnt a dodgy move. Sam Love & Scott Healey were behind me at this point (also taking it easy). But I also recall you not being surprised at all that Meads had knocked me off and mentioned I want the first o have Meads do this to.

It's a shame Meads has sponsors to pay for his shit, as maybe without them he'd take more care and show more respect to others out on a track day. I did nothing wrong, was in the right place on the track and held my line. But now Im up for $6-7000 and he didnt even have the courtesy to say "Sorry mate, I hope you are ok. I'm sorry I knocked you off."

Kama does have a way of creeping up on people with attitudes like that. But I do hope its not in the way of a bad fall next time as he deserves a kick up the ass, not a busted back.

And any of you who dont think I have any reason to vent, then feel free to step into my shoes and limp around for the next few weeks, and reach into your wallet for $7000 and see how much that hurts when it was a completely unnecessary cost!

[CHOPPA]

Sounds like Meads has a pretty good rep, if i were racing him it would make me think twice about passing....

[Shaun]

Sounds like Meads has a pretty good rep, if i were racing him it would make me think twice about passing....


I would T BONE him to show him how it feals. He rides and acts like a wanker, so deserves treating like one



Perhaps honesty is not the best thing on the internet eh

[CHOPPA]

Hey guys. Thanks for all the comments. Some I agree with and some I dont. :)

I didnt intend for this thread to be hijacked and end up about Meads knocking me off. So I apologize to 'TheCougar" for that (Come to think of it...the cougar is what we call my mates ex-wife :D )

Look I dont have any malice towards Bryce Meads and I certainly dont want to see or hear of him (or anyone else) getting hurt in an accident. But to suggest that a General Bikers forum isnt the place to discuss these sorts of things is also somewhat short sighted. Yep... I had my whinge about the guy who knocked me off. But the thread was started by the cougar as he got knocked off, then Gixerracer brought up that I was knocked off the same way last week. So I simply chimed in to say what happened.

I know Im not racing in the Nationals. But I have 2 friends who are. One is mid pack in the nationals on a 1000cc superbike and the other a mid-tail Pro Twins racer. Both of which generally speaking I keep up with on track and one I occasionally beat. So although I dont race Im not a novice either, and despite what Meads may say to lay blame, I wasnt off line in the slightest or running wide. Hell... we wern't even at a serious pace at this point. Meads just decided to slam dunk us and swoop in to show he was a riding God. Well I'll give him a +1 for not coming off after he hit me, but a -2 for taking me out with a reckless move.

Biggles I do recall you passed us towards the end of the front straight, but your's wasnt a dodgy move. Sam Love & Scott Healey were behind me at this point (also taking it easy). But I also recall you not being surprised at all that Meads had knocked me off and mentioned I want the first o have Meads do this to.

It's a shame Meads has sponsors to pay for his shit, as maybe without them he'd take more care and show more respect to others out on a track day. I did nothing wrong, was in the right place on the track and held my line. But now Im up for $6-7000 and he didnt even have the courtesy to say "Sorry mate, I hope you are ok. I'm sorry I knocked you off."

Kama does have a way of creeping up on people with attitudes like that. But I do hope its not in the way of a bad fall next time as he deserves a kick up the ass, not a busted back.

And any of you who dont think I have any reason to vent, then feel free to step into my shoes and limp around for the next few weeks, and reach into your wallet for $7000 and see how much that hurts when it was a completely unnecessary cost!

Ill give you 6k for a trade form your bike, 7k the difference and you can have an Ex Factory Racebike....

[sharky]

Absolutely on the money Marcus,Racers should never be on the track at the same time as roadriders and this is a classic example why.

As slow as I am now I still wont consider going out with any group other than race at a trackday,Roadriders fast or slow are horrendously indecisive and lack the basic knowledge involved with racing a bike.All trackday operators should be running RACE ONLY classes too avoid this sort of thing happening again

Just like the trackday on the Saturday before the 3rd round of PMCC eh.....:Pokey:

[scrivy]

to suggest that a General Bikers forum isnt the place to discuss these sorts of things is also somewhat short sighted.
Maybe some people are getting too precious on KB? Where else can you discuss these racing matters?? Can't see you talking about it in crotchet forums........
This is a free for all forum and you can say exactly what you want!!!

he didnt even have the courtesy to say "Sorry mate, I hope you are ok. I'm sorry I knocked you off."
This is simply the culture we have now in the world. People don't give a flying f@ck about others. Sadly, I can't see things changing in the near future either. No one is man enough to step up to the mark and admit fault.



Amazing that in our small niche sport, we have individuals that think so lowly of others in our sport.

[wharfy]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on

Can somebody translate this for me ?

[scott2ride]

I would T BONE him to show him how it feals. He rides and acts like a wanker, so deserves treating like one
Perhaps honesty is not the best thing on the internet eh

Hey Shaun, how the hell are ya! Yeah I sure felt like T boning him, though I suspect he will get what he deserves without me knocking him off.




Absolutely on the money Marcus,Racers should never be on the track at the same time as roadriders and this is a classic example why.... Roadriders fast or slow are horrendously indecisive and lack the basic knowledge involved with racing a bike.All trackday operators should be running RACE ONLY classes too avoid this sort of thing happening again

This is somewhat of a generalization, and several non-racing road riders I know are massively quick, smooth and very decisive. Having said that, I do agree that separating road and race riders has merit and it would be great to see if it is financially practical for operators of track days. But I suspect it wont be that simple as track days dont often have enough pure racers to devote a full 'class' to.

Personally, I prefer the fast group because normally they know their limits and dont do stupid moves like happened this time.




Ill give you 6k for a trade form your bike, 7k the difference and you can have an Ex Factory Racebike....

Sounds like a dodgy deal to me :innocent: but then again, I dont know what the bike is you are selling :shifty:

Besides, the damage to my bike is not that high. Maybe $2-3k. It just gets extra nasty once I replace gloves, helmet, leathers & boots. sniff sniff :shifty:

[Tony.OK]

Absolutely on the money Marcus,Racers should never be on the track at the same time as roadriders and this is a classic example why.



Same can be said for some peoples versions of race ethics too.............there's agressive riding, and then there's just stupid riding.......taking the oportunity to make a clean pass shows some maturity as a racer, the stuff it in at any cost method won't see anyone gaining any respect or staying friends with the sport for too long in a little country like this.

I'm in total agreement with Marcus on trackdays, ya can still have fun but have to allow lotsa room for people, or just bide yer time and wait for an easy oportunity.............no prizes for being the fastest of the day.


Doesn't take many throttle jockeys to give the small racing community a bad name in the eyes of the public (future sponsors maybe too)

[Rcktfsh]

Can somebody translate this for me ?

Originally Posted by nick2slow
dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on


Here was me thinking the 600 title might be recovered by a NZ rider this year, however as english would not appear to be Mr Coles first langauge I'm left wondering what is?

[Shaun]

Can somebody translate this for me ?


He said

Wharfy is a tosser! Now where is the weather report for Hampton this coming weekend

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by nick2slow
dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on


Here was me thinking the 600 title might be recovered by a NZ rider this year, however as english would not appear to be Mr Coles first langauge I'm left wondering what is?


His old mans text messages are just as bad also, god dam trends

[Billy]

This is somewhat of a generalization, and several non-racing road riders I know are massively quick, smooth and very decisive. Having said that, I do agree that separating road and race riders has merit and it would be great to see if it is financially practical for operators of track days. But I suspect it wont be that simple as track days dont often have enough pure racers to devote a full 'class' to.

Personally, I prefer the fast group because normally they know their limits and dont do stupid moves like happened this time.




:[/QUOTE]Yeah it was a generalisation,But thats how it is.I feel 100% safer on the track with experienced racers than I do with fast roadriders

[ArcherWC]

However, of course Bryce had a completely different opinion than you as to what had happened rightly or wrongly.

, all I'm saying is I can see there is a different viewpoint from a racers perspective than a fast track day riders perspective. A similar thing happened to me when I was only riding track days...Paul Brown went around the outside of me in turn 7 at Taupo and hit the outside of my bike....I was VERY pissed off with him and went over and confronted him about it...he seemed to me to have an attitude exactly the way you have described how Bryce reacted to you...unconcerned. I was angry at him for some time after this event but now realize how it happened....it was no big deal to him as he was completely used to racing environments yet to me it was a massive deal! Because of this differing viewpoints, I seldom do any track days now as it is too dangerous mixing racers with road riders.

Cheers
Biggles


Haha I remember us having a similar "chat" a few years back mate:yes:

[scott2ride]

Yep Billy, I cant argue with that. I feel 100% safer on the track with experienced racers than I do with fast road riders as well. But its a shame the 'racer' in Meads didnt engage his brain particularly well this time.

[nick2slow]

its in tick tock

Can somebody translate this for me ?

[nick2slow]

English was my best subject at school. i think i done great

Originally Posted by nick2slow
dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on


Here was me thinking the 600 title might be recovered by a NZ rider this year, however as english would not appear to be Mr Coles first langauge I'm left wondering what is?

[Biggles08]

Haha I remember us having a similar "chat" a few years back mate:yes:

Yeah but your a wanker! ehehehehe....

[BiK3RChiK]

What about instead of having a completely seperate day for racers than joe public track days, why not have a 'racers' class for them to practice and if the reeeeaaaaally fast joe publics want to go out and give it death with them, then it gets 'approved' and off they go. It seems to me that racers have much to show joe public who might even want to get into racing, so why exclude them from track days?

Anyhoo, as you were...

[Robert Taylor]

What about instead of having a completely seperate day for racers than joe public track days, why not have a 'racers' class for them to practice and if the reeeeaaaaally fast joe publics want to go out and give it death with them, then it gets 'approved' and off they go. It seems to me that racers have much to show joe public who might even want to get into racing, so why exclude them from track days?

Anyhoo, as you were...

How about exclusive sessions for those who have a known habit of taking people out, preferably on different days.

[wharfy]

He said

Wharfy is a tosser! Now where is the weather report for Hampton this coming weekend

WAIKATO (filed at 24-MAR-2010 01:57)

Wednesday
Rain, with heavy falls and isolated thunderstorms.Fresh northwesterly winds.

Thursday:
Occasional rain, clearing afternoon and some fine breaks developing. Westerly winds, becoming strong for a time in the middle of the day.

Friday:
Fine breaks, but a few showers also, mainly in the west.Southwest winds.

Saturday:
Long fine spells. Southwest winds.

Sunday:
Fine apart from a few showers. Brief southerly change.

Monday:
Fine with not much wind.


AUCKLAND (filed at 24-MAR-2010 01:57)

Wednesday
Showers. Northwesterly winds, strong in exposed places.

Thursday:
Showers, clearing in the afternoon but cloudy periods remaining. Westerly winds,becoming strong for a time in the middle of the day.

Friday:
Long fine spells, and cloudy periods, mainly in the west.Southwesterlies easing.

Saturday:
Long fine spells. Southwest winds.

Sunday:
Mainly fine, but one or two showers in the east.Winds turning southeast.

Monday:
Mainly fine, with cloudy periods in the east. Easterlies.

http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/rain-radar-forecasts/rain-forecast-7-day

[scott2ride]

How about exclusive sessions for those who have a known habit of taking people out, preferably on different days.

Hahahaha... now were taiking!

[Shaun]

Thanks to Wharfy

[scott2ride]

Well well well... Karma IS a wonderful thing!!!!!

I have just discovered that the MNZ Board has investigated the accident and has suspended Mr Meads racing licence as a result of his recent actions at Hampton Downs.

Good on them for having the balls to take action on this.

And before anyone jumps up and down thinking they have no jurisdiction at a track day, think again! Ok, normally they dont. But there have been a number of incidents and as a result of past 'discussions' they have had with Meads, they were able to suspend his license.

I would be lying if I denied that brings a sly smile to my dial! :D

[Bren_chch]

good stuff! :D it seems he deserves it.

[Fatjim]

Surely his sponsors know of his riding style?

[sugilite]

This is somewhat of a generalization, and several non-racing road riders I know are massively quick, smooth and very decisive. Having said that, I do agree that separating road and race riders has merit and it would be great to see if it is financially practical for operators of track days. But I suspect it wont be that simple as track days dont often have enough pure racers to devote a full 'class' to.

Personally, I prefer the fast group because normally they know their limits and dont do stupid moves like happened this time.


I've also found that there are people who have the latest litre bikes and feel pressured by ego to go in the fast group, and man are they dangerous as you watch them over ride themselves. One particular guy had me thinking it had to be an actual skill to ride that badly and run off at such a slow speed, scary stuff. :no:

[roogazza]

I've also found that there are people who have the latest litre bikes and feel pressured by ego to go in the fast group, and man are they dangerous as you watch them over ride themselves. One particular guy had me thinking it had to be an actual skill to ride that badly and run off at such a slow speed, scary stuff. :no:
One would expect that the standard would be reasonable in a fast group , but that isn't the case. I give everybody a wide berth until I've a had a look at them . Too true Sugilite, maybe an ego thing ?

[codgyoleracer]

One would expect that the standard would be reasonable in a fast group , but that isn't the case. I give everybody a wide berth until I've a had a look at them . Too true Sugilite, maybe an ego thing ?

The berth matches the girth then Gazza ? :-)

[roogazza]

The berth matches the girth then Gazza ? :-)

The girth is a problem I agree, but I felt much better when I saw Kerry D. a couple of weeks ago . He must have 30kgs on me ! Congrats on another Crown, by the way. G. xxxx

[The Pastor]

What about instead of having a completely seperate day for racers than joe public track days, why not have a 'racers' class for them to practice and if the reeeeaaaaally fast joe publics want to go out and give it death with them, then it gets 'approved' and off they go. It seems to me that racers have much to show joe public who might even want to get into racing, so why exclude them from track days?

Anyhoo, as you were...

You mean like races?

[scott2ride]

It is not about excluding racers from track days, or even separating fast track day riders from racers. What it is really about is everyone treating the day as what it is... "A Track Day". And as a track day there are rules and safety measures to ensure people can ride at a fast pace, but in relative safety.

Track days are an opportunity to improve your skills and ride a lot faster than you are 'legally' allowed to on the road. Practice cornering, braking, lines, learn from others more experienced etc.

Racers can attend and ride fast. But they need to respect the rules of the day just like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that!

Racers also have practice days prior to race meetings, and they also have the actual race weekends. So they have plenty of opportunities to go 'race pace' or get super aggressive in their passing and dont need to bring it to a track day. In fact they have more track time than everyone else as they get the races, the practice days AND the track days. Non racers only get the track days... and non racers deserve the chance to enjoy them without having to worry about someone deliberately cutting them up.

Hmmm... rant over :D

[Biggles08]

Racers also have practice days prior to race meetings, and they also have the actual race weekends. So they have plenty of opportunities to go 'race pace' or get super aggressive in their passing and dont need to bring it to a track day. In fact they have more track time than everyone else as they get the races, the practice days AND the track days. Non racers only get the track days... and non racers deserve the chance to enjoy them without having to worry about someone deliberately cutting them up.

Hmmm... rant over :D

I think this particular track day was in all honesty something a little different than most track days...it was immediately prior to the first ever National Round at Hampton Downs and it was a given that there was going to be plenty of racers there trying to set up their bikes for the Nationals. Hell thats why I was there :-). Personally I believe that in this particular case (irrelevant of the incident between you and Bryce) there should have been a class set aside for those competing at the Nationals.

Race pace and race lines no matter how you look at it cannot be simulated any other way apart from riding in race situations. It doesn't matter how fast you are on the road, when it comes to racing its a completely different game...especially at National Level. I personally was in the last 25% speed group of those that compete in the Nationals and riding at a track day only helped me familiarize myself with the track layout. Come the Nationals the next weekend, I was still fighting bike setup, passing points, defensive lines and blocking tactics as the only experience I had had on the track was at this track day really.

Down throughout the South Island rounds we had the opportunity to practice at race pace in race conditions and hence their were a few 'incidents' before we even made it to the race meeting BUT it is essential to have this opportunity before one of these events IMO.

Also, I understand your frustration at Bryce (rightly or wrongly) but I don't think its a fair call saying that Bryce "Deliberately" cut you off, that is simply hearsay and not based on anything factual. I have raced with Bryce for the last 6-8 months and have had no issues with his riding over this time...in fact he has helped me get faster over this time as he is an accomplished rider. As I have said before in this thread, I didn't see the events unfold between both of you so have nothing to add to who was at fault...but I will say something in his defense when you start bagging his intentions unfounded.

[scott2ride]

I think this particular track day was in all honesty something a little different than most track days...it was immediately prior to the first ever National Round at Hampton Downs and it was a given that there was going to be plenty of racers there trying to set up their bikes for the Nationals. Hell thats why I was there :-). Personally I believe that in this particular case (irrelevant of the incident between you and Bryce) there should have been a class set aside for those competing at the Nationals.

I guess given the number of racers at the meeting maybe they could have made the fast group racers only and this would have given you all better opportunity to setup your bikes. BUT... sadly they didnt do that. Instead they chose to strongly advise all racers that it wasnt a race day or even a practice day. Hell, as Im sure you recall they even took the fast group asside after the main breifing to give us a second briefing and warning that it wasnt a practice day and not to pass closely and to take it easy as non racers were in the group etc etc. Personally I wish they HAD set asside a seperate class fro racers, that way I'd be $6-7000 better off for gear and bike repairs.


Race pace and race lines no matter how you look at it cannot be simulated any other way apart from riding in race situations. It doesn't matter how fast you are on the road, when it comes to racing its a completely different game... .

Have to agree with you there.


Down throughout the South Island rounds we had the opportunity to practice at race pace in race conditions and hence their were a few 'incidents' before we even made it to the race meeting BUT it is essential to have this opportunity before one of these events IMO.

Yes I agree there too. Which is probably why they gave so many warnings not to pass within 2 meters and for racers to treat this a s a track day not a race day. So yep you are right, its important for racers like yourselves and Bryce to have some quality practice time and be able to go at race pace. Just not at an trackday event where they specifically prohibit that. And dont get me wrong. I saw you out there riding and you managed to make passes with plenty of room and make good passing decisions based on the day.

And that works both ways... in a race you make calculated decisions on squeezing through the gap and out braking etc, and at a track day you tailor that behavior to suit the event and situation. Most racers do this extremely well and I expect Bryce is more than talented enough to do the same.


Also, I understand your frustration at Bryce (rightly or wrongly) but I don't think its a fair call saying that Bryce "Deliberately" cut you off, that is simply hearsay and not based on anything factual.

I guess opinion is what these forums is all about. You say its not factual, yet how do you know he didnt deliberately cut me up!? Maybe he did! Only he knows.

To be fair, I said "...non racers deserve the chance to enjoy trackdays without having to worry about someone deliberately cutting them up." It was a generalised comment.

But hey... I agree. I withdraw any implication that Bryce may have cut me off. He didnt cut me off OR cut me up. What he did was knock me off. Quite a difference and certainly not simply an opinion. :D



I have raced with Bryce for the last 6-8 months and have had no issues with his riding over this time...in fact he has helped me get faster over this time as he is an accomplished rider. As I have said before in this thread, I didn't see the events unfold between both of you so have nothing to add to who was at fault...but I will say something in his defense when you start bagging his intentions unfounded.

I realise he is a friend of yours and you feel the need to defend him. Thats cool. It's true I dont know his true intentions and Im pretty sure he didnt intend to knock me or anyone else off. But after hearing what others who saw it clearly have said, and after talking to him, and after hearing about a number of other incidents like this, it is my opinion that he saw us in a group going at a fairly moderate pace with coldish tyres, and he thought he could take us all in one foul swoop and look like a bit of a hero doing it. He's young and no doubt a bit impetuous. Its just a shame I got hurt and my bike and gear trashed.

At the end of the day I stand by my comment that "non racers deserve the chance to enjoy trackdays without having to worry about someone deliberately cutting them up." Whether Bryce did that or not is a moot point, though his history is hardly angelic and his attitude to the whole this wasnt exactly 'sporting', so you cant really say the implication was unfounded. Though I agree, I dont actually know his intentions. Either way, his actions got him kicked out of the event, got him banned from future Hampton trackdays, and got his race license suspended by MNZ. So all in all the general opinion of his actions wasnt too well received.

The fact is that many riders DO make a habit of cutting others off and riding irresponsibly to try to prove to themselves and others that they are 'great riders'. He has a history of 'incidents' and even you were not surprised when you spoke to me on the day. But his real motive is unknown.

Look I shouldnt be wasting any more time on this and neither should you. I dont know Bryce and maybe hes a great guy. Good if he is. He just didnt seem to concerned about me, my injuries or the damage he caused. Maybe he will be a little more careful next time he is on the track? Who knows. he may not have given it a second thought until it resulted in his race license being suspended. But for me it will take a lot longer and wont be over till Im fully healed and have managed to pay for the repairs.

Funny thing is, if he had simply walked over to me and apologized for knocking me off (like he was asked to do by the marshals) and shown some concern for my injuries or damaged bike, then it would no doubt have ended on the day and wouldnt have resulted in his race license being suspended.

Good luck with your racing Marcus. I've met you a couple of times now on and off track and I do seriously wish you the best.

[R6_kid]

I guess opinion is what these forums is all about. You say its not factual, yet how do you know he didnt deliberately cut me up!? Maybe he did! Only he knows

Do you have any reason what so ever to suggest that he would have done it on purpose? From what I've been told he'd spoken to you before that session and knew you weren't on tyre warmers so was expecting you to be running at a slower pace in the first few laps? Is it completely inconceivable that from his position he may have thought he'd perhaps made a clean pass on you and was clear to take "your line"? I think not - but then it's also fair to say that given it was a track day he shouldn't have been so eager to get in front of you so early in the session.

From what I saw from the outside of T1, the initial contact may not have actually been what made you crash. Your bike stood up and ran straight ahead for some distance (hard to judge) before the front wheel locked and it was all over rover. This doesn't clear Bryce from any blame - as he was still the trigger in the chain of events that lead to your crash. Perhaps your reaction to him 'cutting you off' was the final cause of your crashing?

Obviously you have (have had) some serious emotion attached to the event - and fair enough, I'd be bloody pissed if the same had happened to me. But if you go back and re-read your series of events and the way you describe him you come off as a bit of a cock. I've seen the video you posted on the Aprilia forum and that doesn't do any favours for you. You say you're a father blah blah blah - and then you go and act up like that on the internet making out that you're a tough guy who's gonna put your heavies on him?

The version of events I've heard from the other side of the story seem to point out that you didn't give Bryce much of a chance to apologise. I also hear that the first thing Bryces dad asked when you came over was if you were ok. Bear in mind that they had 5-6hr drive home ahead of them so they may have wanted to make sure they had things under control in their camp before coming to talk to you - just because you approached them first doesn't mean they had no intention of coming to talk to you before they left.

On a side note, I see that you were mentioning potential court action? I seriously hope that's just 'big boy posturing' on the internet - if you are actually considering going through with it then I sincerely urge you to consider the consequences that such action would have on every other trackday user in the country.

[quickbuck]

Practice cornering, baking, lines, learn from others more experienced etc.


Na,
I'm sh1t at that..... My tummy is all my missus doing ;)

As you were...

[scott2ride]

Do you have any reason what so ever to suggest that he would have done it on purpose? From what I've been told he'd spoken to you before that session and knew you weren't on tyre warmers so was expecting you to be running at a slower pace in the first few laps? Is it completely inconceivable that from his position he may have thought he'd perhaps made a clean pass on you and was clear to take "your line"? I think not - but then it's also fair to say that given it was a track day he shouldn't have been so eager to get in front of you so early in the session.


I never said he deliberately hit me. That would imply he has a death wish. But I have no doubt he knew it was going to be fricken close and that he thought he would get through and that he would look like a riding hero for passing us all. In fact I have subsequently wondered if he did it because Sam Love was in the group of riders (he was directly behind me) and he has a bit of a beef with Sam as he had knocked Sam off some months before and Sam had put the boot into him. Its just hypothesizing though.

But you are right in saying that he shouldn't have been so eagar to get in front so early in the session.

You say you were told he had spoken to me before the session. But thats just not the case. I had never met him before or ever spoken to him until after he knocked me off. And his father certainly didnt show any concern for my well being. His comments intitially were to say that I'd probably gone wide and hit his son. In fact it would be fair to say that his attitude was quite condescending and more likely to make someone angry rather than being nice.

You cant state that it wasnt the initial contact that caused the crash, because if he hadnt hit me I would have been fine and had a great day. But you are correct that it stood me up after the initial impact. Basically, he hit me in the side of the fairing then continued over my front wheel and as he tried to lean down further onto me (to stop himself falling off and to try to keep turning so he didnt crash) he sort of leaned down on and over my front wheel, turning it and standing me up. It straightened me up and sent me very wide and off the track. As it was he only just managed to stay on the track himself. And at that speed (150kph???) there was no way I could have turned. All I could do was try to brake, which was fine till I hit the rubber and shit on the outside of the corner and lost the front. But I would have been off the track and into the gravel and wall anyway so either way wasnt a fun option.

Hey if you think that my description of him makes me seem like a cock, then yippie for you. I didnt hit him, he hit me and then got thrown out and banned. I had nothing to do with that as I was with the ambulance medics when that went on and was advised of it afterwards.

The video clip from in my garage that night wasnt actually posted my me. It was posted by an over zellious mate. It was also after a couple too many drinks and yes you are right, we shouldn't have said he deserved to get a clip around the head. But it was the piss talking and everyone there was annoyed and pissed off at what had happened. If you cant see it for what it was, blowing off steam, then thats your problem not mine.


The version of events I've heard from the other side of the story seem to point out that you didn't give Bryce much of a chance to apologise. I also hear that the first thing Bryces dad asked when you came over was if you were ok. Bear in mind that they had 5-6hr drive home ahead of them so they may have wanted to make sure they had things under control in their camp before coming to talk to you - just because you approached them first doesn't mean they had no intention of coming to talk to you before they left.

Truth be told Im a very relaxed guy and it takes more than a few words to get me fired up and shitty. And just before I went over to see Bryce Darren from the Cali SB School came over and asked me to be extra nice as he said I would get banned if there was a scene. So I was nice to him when I went over and we first talked and wasnt in the slightest bit aggressive. Bryce and his father were also very civil and it was very low key at that initial stage. However their attitude wasnt one of concern for what had happened. More of a justification and somewhat condescending and general indifference to my situation of having a wrecked bike and bod.

If you reread my posts you will see that Bryce admitted up front that he had been asked to come and apologize but hadnt bothered as he said he 'didnt know where I was' (or something along those lines. So rest assured he made it clear he had no intention of coming over.

All that said, it wasnt so nice at the end as their attitude wasnt exactly making me feel like they gave any shit at all. In the end I walked away, but came back shortly afterwards and told them Id sue them for the damage. Then it got slightly less friendly, but nothing more than low key words and no yelling or physical threats from either party. They were driving off at this point and made some comments on Auckland wankers. :shit: Guess I must be one then.

[codgyoleracer]

Remember this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF0dC9iHNrQ thats what happens!

But would be as pissed off as you if someone did that to me, At least you arnt seriously hurt

I do remember that, I aint no foggy fan - but the slowest bike beatthe fastest bike - and at that world level racing as close as they are is a day-to-day event. IMO Chilli had an option, but he chose to ignore it and push the envlope of risk.

[R6_kid]

I never said he deliberately hit me.

Not exactly...


Non racers only get the track days... and non racers deserve the chance to enjoy them without having to worry about someone deliberately cutting them up.

The truth is that at all track-days, whether "ride days" or "race practice days", one group is more than likely going to have a hero or someone that needs to get their ego into check. In fact I'd be surprised if someone with your riding experience would show up to such a day and not expect there to be people riding on the limit of or outside of their ability - or perhaps 100% within the rules on the day.

I think it was an honest mistake on Bryce's part in this case and it's a shame that the incident couldn't be settled at the track without further repercussions.

For what it's worth I've previously never heard of anyone expecting payment for damage caused at a trackday - regardless of who is at fault. I've always considered trackdays to be "at your own risk" - I don't think the insurance companies chase down trackday claims for reimbursement, which is probably why trackday cover incurs an increased excess in the event that you do make a claim.

[scott2ride]

The truth is that at all track-days, whether "ride days" or "race practice days", one group is more than likely going to have a hero or someone that needs to get their ego into check. In fact I'd be surprised if someone with your riding experience would show up to such a day and not expect there to be people riding on the limit of or outside of their ability - or perhaps 100% within the rules on the day.

Yes you are correct that sometimes there is someone who needs their ego in check and people riding outside their ability. More often though they are in the medium or medium/fast group rather than the fast group. Normally I find the fast group is reasonably together and has less mistakes like overshooting corners under brakes etc.


I think it was an honest mistake on Bryce's part in this case and it's a shame that the incident couldn't be settled at the track without further repercussions.

I dont doubt that he didnt intend to hit me or anyone else. No dispute there. Though Im sure he did intend to do the bid daring move and sweep in and across us bloody closely. It just all went pair shaped as it was a careless and dangerous thing to do. As far as Im concerned it would have been settled at the track if he had made the effort to check on me or apologize (and bare in mind he was formally asked to do so by officials). But all that is said and done.

Remember, I didnt begin this thread and I wasnt the one who threw him out on the day or the one who blacklisted him from the trackdays. Nor did I approach MNZ to get him banned. So I didnt initiate any of the repercussions he has incurred. He has no-one to account for that but himself. I was just the guy who got hit and ended up with medical bills and $6000+ out of pocket for damages and happened to reply in this thread after someone directed me to it.

....I don't think the insurance companies chase down trackday claims for reimbursement, which is probably why trackday cover incurs an increased excess in the event that you do make a claim.

Actually, the insurance companies DO pursue trackday crashes. I personally know of a case recently from Taupo track where the insured rider was on his road bike and was taken out as another rider cut him off, hitting his front wheel and sending him down. The insurance company was Star Insurance and they paid for the insured bike. But they took the other rider to the disputes tribunal to recover costs. I dont know if they won and dont really care as it is none of my business. But there is no doubt it does happen. Some win, some dont. Its case by case.

Personally, if I was in an 'incdent' that had the other rider fall, irrespective of whether it was my fault or not, I would immediately go find him or her to see that they were ok. But thats just me.

And if I had done something stupid and actually caused the accident and the other person had no involvement other than being knocked off by me, then I would most definitely offer to contribute to the repair or fully repair the bike. And any of you that personally know me know that to be true. But thats just me.

If Bryce had shown some remorse to knocking me down or some empathy my injuries or damage then I would have actually defended him in these posts. Hows that for irony!

[Biggles08]

Some win, some dont. Its case by case.

I have never heard of anything like this ever happening in NZ Scott....and in my opinion I hope it never does! Imagine the chaos it would cause insurance companies and not to mention levies for those running the events! It would be just another nail in the coffin for our sport, and specifically as you have already mentioned in earlier post's, your ONLY means of getting on the track...through track days. Remember, we live in politically correct New Zealand where Motorcycling is the enemy and speed kills... anything that can add fuel to the fire for these PC low life scum, they will grab on to with both hands....don't give them any ammunition to do this.


After all's said and done, when you take your bike off a public road and ride it on a purpose built race track (even if its not a race event) ALL normal road rules no longer apply...this is why we are lucky to have ANY insurance company at all cover bikes on the track. When I was attending track days with my road bike, I used to have to tell my insurance company in advance about it and they would add an extra insurance for that one event. The excess was doubled for this time too. By threatening to "Sue" him for damages because of a collision on the track is only going to make Insurance companies think again about covering bikes at all...as they will have to begin considering both the bikes they are insuring to attend the days AND potential damages sought for from other riders AGAINST the bike they are insuring for the day in the case of an incident. Sounding like America??? I'm sure you agree we don't want that.

On another note, As I understand it (I was pitted with Bryce as you know) he was NOT asked to leave, in fact when Darren talked to him the first thing he said was "We're not going to send you home." but due to the collision with you he had ruined his bike's exhaust and had to leave...that's why they we're packing up to go. Also, Matt, Bryce's Dad was standing in a similar vicinity to where the track officials were standing when you both came together...he had a pretty good view...we'll at least as good as the officials that talked to Bryce afterwards had anyway.

[scott411]

Scott is right, the owner of the bike that was taken to the smalls claim court is an employee of mine,

basically the rider over took someone around the outside as per the rules of Motott trackday that was done at, the other rider picked up as he got a fright, clipped the back of the bike and went down, (it happened at the far sweeper at taupo)

the rider and his insurance company took the rider and the owner of the bike to small claims, they lost because all the rules had been followed, ie, passing on the outside

i thought it was a bit shit really, but i have always thought what goes on the track stays there, but i come from a racing background, so my thoughts maybe different from someone that is doing a trackday from a road riders perspective.

[scott2ride]

They the insurance companies already run a 'tit for tat' system between them and they already take into account that other vehicles may be involved in an accident, on or off track. believe me I know, I have an insurance brokerage and deal with it all the time. So rest assured there are many insurance claims for incidents on the track and when a second party is at fault the insurance company will likely seek to recover damages from that party. Most of us just dont hear about it because it is not exactly something that is widely publicised. Im not insured for my trackday bike on the track so claiming is not an option for me.

But as far as comparisons to America go, dont be concerned. The insurance law act in NZ is quite different and we dont have the same facility to sue for punitive damages here. In the US you can make all sorts of claims and get paid for emotional damage etc. But here you have to prove a real loss. So technically you can claim back costs of repairs, but bugger all else. Then you have to way up the cost of going down that route and the time etc. Hence not normally viable unless large sums are involved. So worry, we wont be turning into the USA or Oz any time soon.

As far as Bryce being asked to leave, well I took the liberty of checking with Darren and you are partially correct. Darren said he WAS going to ask Bryce to leave but when he got there found he was leaving anyway, so he didnt need to ask him to leave. He also said he would likely black list him for future events involving the Cali SB School and Cali track days.

Sorry to contradict here, but Bryces father already admitted he never saw the incident. He may have been in the 'vicinity', but he didnt see it. However a number of officials and several riders on the track most definitely DID see the whole thing.

I realise he is your mate etc so you feel the need to defend him. I respect that.

But it was, what it was... nothing more, nothing less.

He and I will never be mates, but Im not angry with him either and dont have any personal malice towards him. So its not like Im going to get shitty and smack him one if I bump into him.


Im off home now to start some repairs on the beast as my body is getting somewhat better and only a few aches in the neck and shoulder. So cat chew late R.

[scott2ride]

Hi Scott
I dont know if it was the same incident, but it sounds similar.

I was told of another last night that was successful in a claim for $3k. No doubt different circumstances though.

So yep, these insurance claims and cases in small claims etc do go on regularly, just they tend to be behind closed doors. Its case by case and all tend to be small stuff.

At the end of the day I guess the best we all can do on the track is ride to the rules of the day and dont be idiots and then if we crash, then at least we did it with best intentions and best endeavors.

Just make sure not to get shitty with someone who you thought took your line and dont go and knock them off their bike on the next corner or you will end up in small claims or similar and that could be costly.

Ok... now Im off home :D

[scott411]

sounds like it may be more comman than we realise, i think your right tho, stick to the track days rules, it is not a race day, or an open practice,

[scott147]

i was following scott2ride down the chute when it happened, so i saw the hole thing as it unfolded. the other guy was 100 percent at fault. dont forget at riders briefing the rules were 2m apart at all times. forget everything else scott2ride was in front the other guy was behind him therefore its his responsiblity to maintain the seperation of the bikes. nothing else matters really. there was no strange moves going on from scott2ride and he was not running wide as it was the start the second lap and everyone was still warming up.
what i want to know is why the other guy came out wide and cut us all off, its a track day not racing. i ve been racing for a fair bit of time so i ve seen all sorts of moves and this wasnt the best what more it wasnt called for in the slightest.

[bucketracer]

were taking similar lines but particularly 1 of the LC's would stuff it up the inside on slow corners on a really tight line. So you choose your spot, tip in, completely unaware of anyone close behind, you get within a bikelength of the apex at maximum lean and suddenly this LC appears virtually rubbing shoulders. You have no option but to stand it up and hope like shit you don't run off the track. The guy watches too much MotoGP.

A trick learn't at buckets,........next time your racing.....so as to be able to hold your line, move your bum over and sit or lean on them if you can, put all your weight on them........works a treat and if they are really pissing you off, try pushing their handle bar back with your elbow......they will button off and if they lose it, and hit your bike, odds are you will stay on and they won't. I guarantee they won't try to stuff it up the inside again, any time soon.

[gixerracer]

Or I will just pick my bike up and run into you and if that dont work I will smash side ways into you at the next corner. Some road racers may be a bit harder than your bucket competitors perhaps
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A trick learn't at buckets,........next time your racing.....so as to be able to hold your line, move your bum over and sit or lean on them if you can, put all your weight on them........works a treat and if they are really pissing you off, try pushing their handle bar back with your elbow......they will button off and if they lose it, and hit your bike, odds are you will stay on and they won't. I garantee they won't stuff it up the inside again, any time soon.

[bucketracer]

Or I will just pick my bike up and run into you and if that dont work I will smash side ways into you at the next corner. Some road racers may be a bit harder than your bucket competitors perhaps

I suspect you underestimate how hard bucket racers are......buckets, is where the art of close racing and argy-bargy while riding on the edge is learnt...........

[budda]

I suspect you underestimate how hard bucket racers are......buckets is where the art of close racing is learnt...........

Oh DEAR .... play nicely, children

[Kickaha]

Or I will just pick my bike up and run into you and if that dont work I will smash side ways into you at the next corner. Some road racers may be a bit harder than your bucket competitors perhaps

Some might be, but I doubt you'll find them amongst those superbike riding homos


I suspect you underestimate how hard bucket racers are......buckets, is where the art of close racing and argy-bargy while riding on the edge is learnt...........

I suspect if you look back far enough you might find he may have raced a bucket or two before he got soft and dropped out of the premier class

[quickbuck]

I suspect if you look back far enough you might find he may have raced a bucket or two before he got soft and dropped out of the premier class

You just made me feel old.......
I recall those days... when we were allowed on the Airfield... And the Ohakea Grand Prix...

I even noted gixerracers dad had his sump plug wired backwards.... Been like that for years he claimed.
Used to change the oil by pulling the engine apart!

That taught him for failing my 400's WOF for brakes the week before...

[bucketracer]

he may have raced a bucket or two before he got soft and dropped out of the premier class

Its true I guess......the hard mans sport is not for every one.

[gixerracer]

Son ive won more bucket races than youve had hot dinners back when men wer men 2
I suspect you underestimate how hard bucket racers are......buckets, is where the art of close racing and argy-bargy while riding on the edge is learnt...........

[Shaun]

Son ive won more bucket races than youve had hot dinners back when men wer men 2

Youv'e never been a MAn

[scrivy]

Son ive won more bucket races than youve had hot dinners back when men wer men 2

Found this old piccie of Craig from many many many years ago......
As you can see, he started bucket racing at a very young age.


You can also see that he liked boys back then too ..... :shifty::yes:

[TZ350]

Found this old piccie of Craig from many many many years ago......

F5 SideCar..........

[jellywrestler]

Son ive won more bucket races than youve had hot dinners back when men were men 2

you might be exxagerating as people who don't live in Feilding actually get more than three hot dinners a year....

[gixerracer]

I still cant stop laughing lolololol
Found this old piccie of Craig from many many many years ago......
As you can see, he started bucket racing at a very young age.


You can also see that he liked boys back then too ..... :shifty::yes: