Pardon me?

[Mom]

Weirdest thing happened yesterday. I am still trying to get my head around the medical advice I was given.

I have high blood pressure, have spent the best part of 12 months trying to get it under control. It is a family thing so not unexpected. I used to smoke. Every time I went for a BP check the nurse/doctor would lecture me about stopping smoking. So I did. Piece of wees really, completely blew me away how easy it was to stop. Sadly my blood pressure continues to be an issue despite my best efforts to date.

Had a bit of a HIGH BP at the start of the week and was started on yet another drug, this time on top of what I already take, to drag it back down. Went for the 2 day after starting new drug regime check and it has dropped a bit. I complained to the nurse. I said, "I took your advice, I stopped smoking and am out pounding the pavements almost every night getting fit and my blood pressure continues to rise. I feel ripped off!"

Her advice to me. I should start chewing nicotene gum :yes: It lowers the blood pressure apparently. No shit Sherlock, I did try telling the zealot nurses when I went to get my BP checked, only now I have stopped do they acknowledge it. Apparently only the TAR in smokes is bad for you. I was sitting there gob smacked! I said I am not chewing nicotene gum, she said I could always use patches??????

WTF!

I am a nicotene addict that has managed very sucessfully to kick the habit and here is a friggen health professional suggesting I should start the habit up again via a different method???

Anyone else experienced this weirdness?

[Edbear]

Definitely a strange one! I, too, suffer high BP anf have had to take two meds to bring it down, one a phosphate based pill and it is now down where it should be, but it took about four years to get it under control.

We are now going to get several posters telling us how to do it without drugs and all the reasons we have high BP and how dangerous the drugs are and how it's in our mind's ability to control, etc. etc. etc.

Of course it's not that simple. Suffice to say, I do a huge amount of medical research for many issues and I know very well that were I not taking the medications I am now taking I could have dropped dead years ago. Which would have been a total bummer!

Only side effect I got from the previous med was itchiness so I was switched to the phosphate one and the itchiness went away. The body adapts to drugs and usually accomodates them after a short time.

I would get a second opinion from a GP. I know a very good one I trust with my life...

[FJRider]

I'm too healthy to seek medical help for anything other than sudden blood-loss injuries ... usually resulting in a better relationship with the ladies in the ACC office, than my Doctor. I must visit his office to see if he's alive ... (oops ...I think I've got the wrong thread ...AGAIN ...) :innocent:

[Mom]

Definitely a strange one! I, too, suffer high BP anf have had to take two meds to bring it down, one a phosphate based pill and it is now down where it should be, but it took about four years to get it under control.

We are now going to get several posters telling us how to do it without drugs and all the reasons we have high BP and how dangerous the drugs are and how it's in our mind's ability to control, etc. etc. etc.

Of course it's not that simple. Suffice to say, I do a huge amount of medical research for many issues and I know very well that were I not taking the medications I am now taking I could have dropped dead years ago. Which would have been a total bummer!

Only side effect I got from the previous med was itchiness so I was switched to the phosphate one and the itchiness went away. The body adapts to drugs and usually accomodates them after a short time.

I would get a second opinion from a GP. I know a very good one I trust with my life...

It is the GP that I trust with my life's practise nurse that gave me that advice Ed, I cant wait for my next appointment with her to be fair. Yeah, high blood pressure is a bit of a bugger really, nothing I could have done to prevent it really, it is in the genes.

The drugs are interesting though, I have tried so many out it is not funny. I dont tolerate drugs well, I even managed to have a notifiable adverse reaction to one of the ones I have tried :innocent: I dont much care, if I have to take the pills I have to take them, find ones that I can, that work, and away we go.

4 years you say :pinch:

[Edbear]

Yeah, having Cushing's Syndrome doesn't help. Everyone can react differently to drugs and GP's usually, (at least good GP's do), give a bit smaller dose to try for a couple of weeks to see how you go and will change it if a bad reaction occurs.

I've been a drug manufacturer's dream for so many years it's a pleasure to only be on three different one's these days...

[Hopeful Bastard]

Bah.. screw the ol' BP.. Its my life.. I choose how to live it.. You only have 1 life. Live it how you want. Unless, You believe in re-incarnation, Then you have many of lives

[MSTRS]

Just cut yourself to lower the pressure a bit...

[Edbear]

Bah.. screw the ol' BP.. Its my life.. I choose how to live it.. You only have 1 life. Live it how you want. Unless, You believe in re-incarnation, Then you have many of lives

Well, kicking the bucket early doesn't fit with my plans so I try to avoid that as much as possible... :yes:

[Hopeful Bastard]

Well, kicking the bucket early doesn't fit with my plans so I try to avoid that as much as possible... :yes:

This is just my view on life and you dont have to believe it.. but live every day like its your last.. For all you know.. You could be broken into tonight by a mass murderer..

[Pussy]

You need a course of leeches, Mom....

[Mom]

This is just my view on life and you dont have to believe it.. but live every day like its your last.. For all you know.. You could be broken into tonight by a mass murderer..

Gosh, you are a happy soul. I actually follow your live today as if it is your last philosophy, nothing in that stops me from actively preventing my early death.

[Mom]

You need a course of leeches, Mom....


Sadly that is probably true! I take the chemical equivalent.

[Edbear]

This is just my view on life and you dont have to believe it.. but live every day like its your last.. For all you know.. You could be broken into tonight by a mass murderer..

Oh, for sure! I always tell my wife this could be our last night together... :innocent:


Gosh, you are a happy soul. I actually follow your live today as if it is your last philosophy, nothing in that stops me from actively preventing my early death.

Yup! I intend to enjoy life as much as possible but also for as long as possible... :sunny:

[Jonno.]

Doesn't nicotine raise blood pressure?

[george formby]

That must be so frustrating! I tried patches a while ago & they gave me startlingly lucid dreams. Found myself roaming round the house in the nud a few times. Beware!

[Mom]

Doesn't nicotine raise blood pressure?

No, clinically it lowers blood pressure. That is why I used to get really ticked off with the brow beating "stop smoking because it is bad for your blood pressure" lectures I used to get before I stopped smoking.


That must be so frustrating! I tried patches a while ago & they gave me startlingly lucid dreams. Found myself roaming round the house in the nud a few times. Beware!

I have always wandered around the house in the nude at night. No patches will make any difference to that.

[george formby]

I have always wandered around the house in the nude at night. No patches will make any difference to that.

While sleeping?

[mashman]

My mum, slightly off-topic, still doesn't have the pills to control her menopause... she gave up smoing, had a hystericalrectumtome, exercises (well used to walk more) and nothing has changed apart from her mood swings perhaps. We've often mulled these things over, because she hates the way she treats her husband and doesn't know why half the time... changes pills and she's fine again for an indeterminate amount of time... during our mullings over we've often wondered, with all of the different people in the world, that perhaps we should be hormonaly baselined at the doctors from the age of X age onwards, start of puberty maybe... go for a checkup once a year to see how yer doing, how your body is developing and should you take a huge swing in hormones, they'd then know what to prescribe... I fear my mum has a point...

I hope they hit your button Mom.

[gilly]

Give the drugs a chance, they don't work overnight. And sometimes it's a matter of getting the dose right.

Living just for todays all very well, but eventually it'll be tomorrow.

[Mom]

[/B]
While sleeping?

Well no, on purpose, dont give a shit attitude to conforming type wandering around the house really :innocent:



I hope they hit your button Mom.

I reckon your Mom should stop taking pills for her men-at-pause and go with the flow for a bit and see what happens. Drugs are bad mmmmkay?

All I want is to be able to see straight with out feeling like there are hooks behind my eyeballs attempting to drag them out of my head, creating a surreal feeling of spacey headedness, and not inconsiderable headache pain that roams around your head, accompaninied by this amazing screeching in your ears. From time to time that happens, then the incidious friggen thing sneaks back. You dont notice it as it creeps up. All of a sudden you are slammed back to yuksville!

If I go with Edbears history, I only have another 3 years to get on top of it :D

[Mudfart]

dont rust quacks, the undiagnosable is always diagnosed as IBS Irritable bowel syndrome.
Cost me $40,000 and a camera up my arse for me to get on losec, which is now available without prescription!!!!!!!!.

[MSTRS]

I have always wandered around the house in the nude at night.

You're not even fussy which house. So I'm told...

[CookMySock]

Bah.. screw the ol' BP.. Its my life.. I choose how to live it.. You only have 1 life. Live it how you want.Er, no don't do that. By all means have a good time, but sooner or later the body won't manage the smoking, the bacon and eggs, pies, fush un chups, etc. "Here for a good time - not a long time" is all very bravado, but most people chicken-out with that after their second scare, if not their first.

@Mom, I think you are doing the right thing. Stick with it. Things will come right.

edit: if you REALLY want to artificially lower your blood pressure to fake the test, then take any of the omega3 oils in large doses (6 grams twice daily). This stuff IS actually good for you (include std disclaimer) and it will knock quite a lot off the test result on the day.
Ask your doc first plz? kthx. :nono:

Steve

[dogsnbikes]

Weirdest thing happened yesterday. I am still trying to get my head around the medical advice I was given.

I have high blood pressure, have spent the best part of 12 months trying to get it under control. It is a family thing so not unexpected. I used to smoke. Every time I went for a BP check the nurse/doctor would lecture me about stopping smoking. So I did. Piece of wees really, completely blew me away how easy it was to stop. Sadly my blood pressure continues to be an issue despite my best efforts to date.

Had a bit of a HIGH BP at the start of the week and was started on yet another drug, this time on top of what I already take, to drag it back down. Went for the 2 day after starting new drug regime check and it has dropped a bit. I complained to the nurse. I said, "I took your advice, I stopped smoking and am out pounding the pavements almost every night getting fit and my blood pressure continues to rise. I feel ripped off!"

Her advice to me. I should start chewing nicotene gum :yes: It lowers the blood pressure apparently. No shit Sherlock, I did try telling the zealot nurses when I went to get my BP checked, only now I have stopped do they acknowledge it. Apparently only the TAR in smokes is bad for you. I was sitting there gob smacked! I said I am not chewing nicotene gum, she said I could always use patches??????

WTF!

I am a nicotene addict that has managed very sucessfully to kick the habit and here is a friggen health professional suggesting I should start the habit up again via a different method???

Anyone else experienced this weirdness?

I smoke and yet my BP is really good,but I can understand your beef with the advice and medication,Last year I was put on Epilim as I might have epilipsy,that screwed me up big time so was put on Carbamazepine which I'm still on,so on a regular trip to the GP 2months ago I was susprised to be told I have really High Cholestrol huh?? Then I am told that the Carbamazepine increases your cholestrol:shit:so now I am on Medication to reduce the cholestrol as well,what pissed me of more was out of all the possible side efects of being on Carbamazepine that it was never mentioned or stated that increasing your cholestrol was a side efect of the medication:angry:

[Badjelly]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine) reckons that nicotine raises blood pressure:


Nicotine has very powerful effects on arteries throughout the body. Nicotine is a stimulant, it raises blood pressure, and is a vasoconstrictor, making it harder for the heart to pump through the constricted arteries. It causes the body to release its stores of fat and cholesterol into the blood.[citation needed]

Mind you, the "citation needed" at the end of this paragraph and the comments immediately above it make you wonder.

I found an article (http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Can_a_nicotine_patch_boost_my_blood_pressure.htm) at Harvard Health publications (yes that does seem to be the real Harvard) that says this



Nicotine stimulates the central nervous system. Whether you smoke a cigarette or absorb nicotine from a patch, your body responds by releasing a hormone called epinephrine (adrenaline). Its effects range from increased energy and awareness to high blood pressure, a rise in heart rate, and nervousness. High blood pressure with the use of a nicotine patch (or gum, inhaler, lozenge, or nasal spray) may mean you are taking too much nicotine.

High blood pressure by itself, or accompanied by nervous jitters and a fast heart rate, can be a sign of nicotine withdrawal. So the increase in your blood pressure could also mean you are not getting enough nicotine in the patch. For heavy smokers, a nicotine patch sometimes doesn’t deliver enough nicotine to replace what they had been getting from their cigarettes.

So that second bit about nicotine withdrawal may explain the "nicotine lowers blood pressure" advice.

I don't think it's at all true to say "only the tar in cigarettes is harmful". Mom, you've been taking a powerful stimulant for several years. Like other stimulants (cocaine, ampetamines, caffeine?) it can stress your heart and your body generally. But when you come off it your system can bounce around before it settles to a new equilibrium. At least that's my take on it but you need to have a thorough talk about this with a good doctor.

[sinfull]

Well no, on purpose, dont give a shit attitude to conforming type wandering around the house really :innocent:




And i've missed so many parties !

[raftn]

Weirdest thing happened yesterday. I am still trying to get my head around the medical advice I was given.

I have high blood pressure, have spent the best part of 12 months trying to get it under control. It is a family thing so not unexpected. I used to smoke. Every time I went for a BP check the nurse/doctor would lecture me about stopping smoking. So I did. Piece of wees really, completely blew me away how easy it was to stop. Sadly my blood pressure continues to be an issue despite my best efforts to date.

Had a bit of a HIGH BP at the start of the week and was started on yet another drug, this time on top of what I already take, to drag it back down. Went for the 2 day after starting new drug regime check and it has dropped a bit. I complained to the nurse. I said, "I took your advice, I stopped smoking and am out pounding the pavements almost every night getting fit and my blood pressure continues to rise. I feel ripped off!"

Her advice to me. I should start chewing nicotene gum :yes: It lowers the blood pressure apparently. No shit Sherlock, I did try telling the zealot nurses when I went to get my BP checked, only now I have stopped do they acknowledge it. Apparently only the TAR in smokes is bad for you. I was sitting there gob smacked! I said I am not chewing nicotene gum, she said I could always use patches??????

WTF!

I am a nicotene addict that has managed very sucessfully to kick the habit and here is a friggen health professional suggesting I should start the habit up again via a different method???

Anyone else experienced this weirdness?



DOn't worry MOM.............I spoke enough for both of us!

[mashman]

Well no, on purpose, dont give a shit attitude to conforming type wandering around the house really :innocent:


She did try that and felt exceptionally lethargic and even more irritable... so back on the pills she went in the hope that they'll get it right...

UGH!... that goes beyond sounding horrendous. All the best getting it sorted.

[Her_C4]

Her advice to me. I should start chewing nicotene gum :yes: It lowers the blood pressure apparently. No shit Sherlock, I did try telling the zealot nurses when I went to get my BP checked, only now I have stopped do they acknowledge it. Apparently only the TAR in smokes is bad for you. I was sitting there gob smacked! I said I am not chewing nicotene gum, she said I could always use patches??????

WTF!

I am a nicotene addict that has managed very sucessfully to kick the habit and here is a friggen health professional suggesting I should start the habit up again via a different method???

Anyone else experienced this weirdness?

Fascinating isn't it? Everyday it seems the medical profession are turning their backs on hardheld (proven?) therapeutic routines. I experienced someting similar not so long ago... but that is another story. In regards to Nicotine and High Blood pressure, it is interesting to do a simple search on (ler Google be your friend), and I cannot find any article (yet) that suggests a reversal in thinking. In fact the majority are along the lines of: http://www.freepressindex.com/news-complete-information-on-why-does-smoking-cause-a-rise-in-blood-pressure-15854.html

The nicotine is responsible for causing the adrenal gland to secrete the hormone adrenaline, which leads to the constriction or narrowing of the blood vessels. Due to this, the blood pressure gets increased temporarily due to the heart working extra in order to pump blood through the body. Are you clear now as to why does smoking cause a rise in blood pressure? Smoking increases your risk of getting a heart disease, cancer, stroke as well as many other health problems. The blood pressure and heart rate is temporarily increased with each use of tobacco in all forms, as it contains nicotine. In case a person has high blood pressure or any form of heart disease, he needs to quit smoking immediately

Be cool if you get more info to post - High BP affects a lot of people close to me (oh I wonder if there is something in that..... nah :) ):innocent:

[MSTRS]

High BP affects a lot of people close to me

Only in quaddies who think you are in the wrong place...

[Her_C4]

Only in quaddies who think you are in the wrong place...

Yes - at the last race of the day AFTER I had been standing in and around that area for the better part of the day AND it was ok for another photographer to stand IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RUN OFF for all the F1 and F2 races...WTF? I think it was ageism ... she was young and was wearing a skirt.... LOL LOL NOOOOOOOooooo it didn't bother me in the slightest......:shutup::angry:

(Sorry for the OT - OP):sunny:

[Mom]

You're not even fussy which house. So I'm told...

Poor Zaccy :innocent:


I smoke and yet my BP is really good,but I can understand your beef with the advice and medication,Last year I was put on Epilim as I might have epilipsy,that screwed me up big time so was put on Carbamazepine which I'm still on,so on a regular trip to the GP 2months ago I was susprised to be told I have really High Cholestrol huh?? Then I am told that the Carbamazepine increases your cholestrol:shit:so now I am on Medication to reduce the cholestrol as well,what pissed me of more was out of all the possible side efects of being on Carbamazepine that it was never mentioned or stated that increasing your cholestrol was a side efect of the medication:angry:

Dont yah love that? Yes indeed once upon the slippery slope you can not avoid the side effects and the pills to counter them. Irregular heart beat, oh that is due to low pottasium as you are taking a diruretic that leeches potassium from your blood. Here take this slow release pottassium one pill a day. Watch this space :laugh:


And i've missed so many parties !

Yeah, but only problem when we have a party is I dont actually go to bed when it is dark, I tend to stay up and only crash out once everyone else has.

[Bass]

Weirdest thing happened yesterday. I am still trying to get my head around the medical advice I was given.



Well........
I've never heard it called a "medical advice" before and I thought getting your head around it was supposed to raise the blood pressure!

[Hans]

Weirdest thing happened yesterday. I am still trying to get my head around the medical advice I was given.

I have high blood pressure, have spent the best part of 12 months trying to get it under control. It is a family thing so not unexpected. I used to smoke. Every time I went for a BP check the nurse/doctor would lecture me about stopping smoking. So I did. Piece of wees really, completely blew me away how easy it was to stop. Sadly my blood pressure continues to be an issue despite my best efforts to date.

Had a bit of a HIGH BP at the start of the week and was started on yet another drug, this time on top of what I already take, to drag it back down. Went for the 2 day after starting new drug regime check and it has dropped a bit. I complained to the nurse. I said, "I took your advice, I stopped smoking and am out pounding the pavements almost every night getting fit and my blood pressure continues to rise. I feel ripped off!"

Her advice to me. I should start chewing nicotene gum :yes: It lowers the blood pressure apparently. No shit Sherlock, I did try telling the zealot nurses when I went to get my BP checked, only now I have stopped do they acknowledge it. Apparently only the TAR in smokes is bad for you. I was sitting there gob smacked! I said I am not chewing nicotene gum, she said I could always use patches??????

WTF!

I am a nicotene addict that has managed very sucessfully to kick the habit and here is a friggen health professional suggesting I should start the habit up again via a different method???

Anyone else experienced this weirdness?

Tell the moronic fuckwits to give their diplomas and birth certificates back. NICOTINE RAISES BP and is a vasoconstrictor (goes hand in hand). One of the easiest ways to cut BP is to seriously reduce sodium intake (salt). Not just salt "on" your food, but also the salt "in" it. Good luck.

[Monie]

well i went to the doc the other day to get my meds that take my appiate away and he did my bp said it was 150/130 told me i should not be on these meds but gave them to me for another month and said come back to have it checked then. as this is me i did not think to much about it untill at the chemist when talking to them and she said that it was really high and i need to get a handle on it as this is what cause heart attack and what meds had they put me on ,, i said none she was really surpised . so they the chemist said i should have it checked weekly .so i am off tommorow to do this, but i say this is caused from the stress of our kids .

[Mom]

Tell the moronic fuckwits to give their diplomas and birth certificates back. NICOTINE RAISES BP and is a vasoconstrictor (goes hand in hand). One of the easiest ways to cut BP is to seriously reduce sodium intake (salt). Not just salt "on" your food, but also the salt "in" it. Good luck.

Yeah sodium. I got the lower your sodium intake lecture 12 months ago. Difficult to reduce something that does not play a big part in your diet anyway. Into my meds a while and they discover that my sodium levels are too low (along with my potassium) so I get given carte blanche to eat what ever salty snacks I want. Everyone is different I guess.