14th May '05 - SH22 ** PICS AND VIDEOS

[pyrocam]

Hi guys. wanted to put them in their own thread because it looks like theres going to be HEAPS.

some of you might know, the camera mount failed me today and shook like crazy the whole trip. Its hardly watchable.

Im uploading a few small clips though. watch this space.


HMMM. seems I cant upload attachments at the moment.

www.pyrocam.com/May-14-2005-HW22/

6 Files.

badcorner.avi:
A terrible job at one of the last twisties. I ended up on the right hand side of the road on a left turning corner. very scary.

Leaving_Tuakau.avi:
Since the shaking is really bad here a little clip of the bikes taking off from our stop just past the tuakau bridge.

smallcorner.avi:
just a little corner clip

nigh_unwatchable_60s.avi
erm. just thought Id try it. some straight bits some corners. 60secs of it

Kiwibikers_HOO.avi
Ahoy me maties. It seems Ive stumbled upon a gaggle of Kiwibikers.

Crash.avi
I think it was Rickster who had a little mishap. I missed the end of it unfortuantly. heres what I got. And for the record. I didnt crash I was just keen to stop super quick to see if ricksta was ok. I just did a bad job of it

[ricksta]

Crash.avi
I think it was Rickster who had a little mishap. I missed the end of it unfortuantly. heres what I got.
Oh god... why does it always happen to me?!!! :crybaby:

Krayy took a video of me too :laugh: i see u guys like to make fun of noobs... haha

[ricksta]

oh yeah... just some little pics i took today :)


:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme just saw the crash video! hahaha nice!

[pyrocam]

dont worry buddy. good learning tool :)

Im glad your ok though

[Waylander]

Just saw the crash vid. I reckon you did pretty good Ricksta. Least it didn't look like you panicked and you managed to slow it down quite a bit before you hit.

[Jeremy]

Hey what encoder are you using for the avi files? (Saves me a couple of hours just downloading codecs at random).

NVM: used Gspot and it says it's DivX 5

[sparrow_34]

Jeez guys, you are really rolling the dice especially on left handers. Look after yourselves and ride at a safe pace, especially if you don't know the road. Glad you are all ok and in one piece.

[Waylander]

Whos is the cruiser in the last pic? Bloody nice lookin.:Punk:

[aff-man]

baaa typical noob mistake . If you continue breaking you will end up in the bank..... ease off the breaks and tip her in again. Almost went into a bank a couple of weeks ago up north. Front wheel hit a small bump.. popped the bike up and instead of a smooth corner i found myself heading for a cliff... at speed :whistle: .

Good video though :Punk:

[aff-man]

p.s. not enough sky shots/ ground shots. Gotta get that bike on one wheel.... front or back :niceone: :niceone:

[Fart]

Oh god... why does it always happen to me?!!! :crybaby:

Krayy took a video of me too :laugh: i see u guys like to make fun of noobs... haha


Mate, make sure you watch out for gravel patches next time. It was only minor damages and most important you were OK. The funny thing was, only 5 mins before you hit the dust, I was chatting with one of the riders about how no one have had an accident yet.

[johnsf1980]

Whos is the cruiser in the last pic? Bloody nice lookin.:Punk:

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

[pyrocam]

people people please.
its DIVX
DivX5 in fact.
http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/
should get you up and running in no time

[danb]

Oh god... why does it always happen to me?!!! :crybaby:

Krayy took a video of me too :laugh: i see u guys like to make fun of noobs... haha

At the end of that Crash vid was that me going around the corner - I cant recall where it was

[Zapf]

Re Crash video. Rickster, you really have to slow down until you get more riding experience in. So that you'll learn to lean more and control the bike better, or you will be another MIA waiting to happen. Sorry to be hash, but pushing your limits so hard as to run off / ride into another lane is NOT on. You are just waiting for a time when there is a car coming the other way.

It is never a good idea to be on the other side of the road, for whatever reason. :no:

And Rickster.... have you got proper boots and riding trouser yet? :yes:

keep it safe.... its for your own good.

[Waylander]

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

Very, VERY nice ride ya got there mate. Absolutly beautifull. And I know what you mean about ridin with sporties. Good way to challenge yourself but everynow and then ya just want a nice comfortable cruise. Have to keep you in mind when me and Slashwylde set up our cruiser/newb ride. Nice good pace nothin over 10k above limit. Engines thumbin and wheels turnin, easy rider style.

[Coldkiwi]

Crash.avi
I think it was Rickster who had a little mishap. I missed the end of it unfortuantly. heres what I got. And for the record. I didnt crash I was just keen to stop super quick to see if ricksta was ok. I just did a bad job of it

hehehe... yup... not the best 'coming to a complete halt' i've seen!

glad you guys are ok but for the record, you shouldn't ever put your feet down like that unless the bike has stopped. Doing it while its moving just leads to a loss of control and balance. The ONLY exception to that is when cornering on a motard/dirt bike etc. and the foot is used to stop the bike going to far when tilted right over.

[Two Smoker]

Jeez guys, you are really rolling the dice especially on left handers. Look after yourselves and ride at a safe pace, especially if you don't know the road. Glad you are all ok and in one piece.

I second this.... Three things to remember:

1: Counter-steer...
2: Target fixation (look where you want to go, NOT at the bank)
3: Be smooth (speed comes with being smooth)

[Two Smoker]

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

Very nice bike mate :niceone: it has nice smooth lines... And cheers for sticking with the newbies mate :niceone: Much appreceiated...

[sparrow_34]

Hi guys. wanted to put them in their own thread because it looks like theres going to be HEAPS.

some of you might know, the camera mount failed me today and shook like crazy the whole trip. Its hardly watchable.

Im uploading a few small clips though. watch this space.




Even with the broken mount, they still came out reasonably well. Keep up the good work, it will be good to see some vids once you get the mount fixed.

[Fart]

Nice Ride. :niceone:

Just wanted to say thanks and good to meet a few of you guys. I noticed that I am abit rusty, having been away from riding for about 7 years and just getting back into it. Will have to practice more to keep up with a few of you hoons. :D

[SPman]

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.


That one of them Drugstars?

[Quasievil]

Oh god... why does it always happen to me?!!! :crybaby:

Krayy took a video of me too :laugh: i see u guys like to make fun of noobs... haha

Hey yeah what a fucken HOOT, I know a guy that did that, he rode fast thinking he knew what he was doing to, he went to the other side of the road and hit a Fucken FALCON head on and Died, a few of us went to his funeral last week.

What the fuck is wrong with you you fucken egg !!! did you think you were on a track racing or something !!!

Get some skills learn how to ride or fuck of the road !!!

if I was there I would have fucken slapped you

[erik]

Cool videos! How you went wide on that badcorner vid is so easy to do, I've done it before myself, I'm sure most bikers have. The thing is that if there is no car on the opposite side of the road, you can come out of it perfectly fine, with no bad consequences what so ever, but if there is a car... Well, Flyin is the worst case example of what can happen if there is a car. :(

Similar situation with the crash.avi, it would have been best to have stopped on your side of the road. Don't be in so much of a hurry to stop to help a crashed biker that you put yourself in danger, your first safety concern is yourself.

Don't mean to sound like a know it all or anything, I've made mistakes myself and am far from perfect (or even normal... :whistle:) but I thought they were important points to highlight.

[Fart]

Come on guys, dont be so harsh on Ricksta. He just had a nerve racking experience. Poor bugger.

Just be more careful next time. Get more rides under ya belt and keep to your own pace next time round. Dont need to keep up with the faster guys.

[Quasievil]

badcorner.avi:
A terrible job at one of the last twisties. I ended up on the right hand side of the road on a left turning corner. very scary.


Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.

How is it that on one ride two riders ended up on the wrong side of the road with one crashing ? I will tell you why because
1/ you dont have the skills to match the speed your stupid fucken brains set you at
2/ you thought it was a race

for christ sake wake the FUCK up, you could have easily ended up in a box !!
its not a game, why do you think it is .

I reckon I will get some flak for my last two posts, but you know what I couldnt give a shit ! I am sick of hearing about Bins, close calls and the like from guys who think they can ride a bike, you cant !! you have no idea what the hell youre doing and if you dont change you will die or end up a cripple at that will be the end of it.
idiot

[sAsLEX]

Similar situation with the crash.avi, it would have been best to have stopped on your side of the road. Don't be in so much of a hurry to stop to help a crashed biker that you put yourself in danger, your first safety concern is yourself.


Yeah and park your bike down stream as such from the accident a fair bit and right on the side of the road, this gives other road users a warning of something amiss, plus the little run to help out your mates will help with assessing the situation.

ps my bike nearly got taken out by some riders coming through the scene while I was attending to one of the acdidents so this is one of the lessons I tought/learnt today

[bugjuice]

just reading thru the threads and watched that vid from Pyro.

Guys (well, newbies) - LEAN!!!!!! goddamnit. You have heaps of grip, don't be afraid to lean, lean, then lean some more. If it's all going to be over, it'd hurt less if it's a low side (slide) than a high side (flip over the top) or running head on into sidings, plus it shows that you were attempting to do all you could prior to a 'moment'. It's something that comes with experiance, but I've seen it too many times. LEAN!!!!!!!!!! You've most likely got more grip than you can imagine.

And Pyro, just a quick obv - while it was good of you to stop for Ricksta (?) when we ran wide (lean dude..), you ditched your bike on the wrong side of the road on a blind corner. Really not the best idea. In the event of situations, there's no point in creating more casualties and crashes from people not thinking things thru properly. I know you wanted to help, but you're no good if you're plastered over the front of an oncoming car.. Just breathe and think a little more before hand. But good for stopping.

Please watch out guys.. Newbies, ride in your shoes, not someone else's. It takes a long time on the saddle to fill boots to go fast. Grow into yours at your pace, not at someone else's. 9 times out of 10, you'll fuck up.

Anyway, don't be put off by large rides etc. It's often the best place to pick up the most skill. This has to be one of the 'worst' rides for bins that I've read about. It's not normally that eventful. The worst thing you can do is not attend these rides if you can. You'll learn more things from more people this way..

you guys are lucky the 22 is often quiet with little oncoming traffic..

[Two Smoker]

No your right Quasi, someone has to say it... Yes these events do happen ( swinging wide on a corner, but the only time you should be swinging wide is due to scraping the pegs...

If you have a moment like this (which im sure alot of people have had including myself) you shouldnt be laughing about it thinking "hehehe that was funny"... You should be thinking "You fucking dickhead what if a car had been coming, what did i do wrong to cause me to go on the wrong side of the road? how can i prevent this from happening again?"

You should always analize your crashes and learn from them... Ive done it the hard way and ive had a few crashes... I dont like seeing other people doing it the hard way...

[Two Smoker]

Yep bugjuice you are right, but instead of lean (which gets newbies confused) you should be:



COUNTERSTEERING

[John]

We need a thread, this is becoming an epidemic - newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys its just stupid stop trying so hard guys common :(

(not being mean but jezus christ!)

[Jeremy]

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

That's a seriously nice res for the photo, what's the camera model and how much did it set you back. (Things to shove on my wishlist, after saving up for a new bike).

And *cough* any chance of the rest of the photos on it being uploaded */cough*

[bugjuice]

Yep bugjuice you are right, but instead of lean (which gets newbies confused) you should be:



COUNTERSTEERING
I'm always fukin right. I agree tho, but to put it in simple terms that anyone can understand (no offence to the newbies), how would you (without getting technical) explain that to a 2 year old? Lean is what you're doing already. Countersteering will come better with practice, advice, learning and riding. but do it anyway

[Zed]

Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.I asked after you today Quasi, someone said you had 'kiddy duty' or summat?

Would have been good if you had been on the ride. I was there and talked with these guys and they were gutted about it but positive at the same time. I think they are learning from their mistakes. :shutup:

Yer it would have been good for you to be there 2day - would have been entertaining to see you slapping some heads! :yes:

Btw, they didn't think it was a race. No one rode like a lunatic today as far as I'm aware.

[Zed]

We need a thread, this is becoming an epidemic - newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys its just stupid stop trying so hard guys common :(

(not being mean but jezus christ!)Who said the newbies were trying to "keep up with the fast guys" John?

and what's this about jezus christ? :unsure:

[pyrocam]

Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.

How is it that on one ride two riders ended up on the wrong side of the road with one crashing ? I will tell you why because
1/ you dont have the skills to match the speed your stupid fucken brains set you at
2/ you thought it was a race

for christ sake wake the FUCK up, you could have easily ended up in a box !!
its not a game, why do you think it is .

I reckon I will get some flak for my last two posts, but you know what I couldnt give a shit ! I am sick of hearing about Bins, close calls and the like from guys who think they can ride a bike, you cant !! you have no idea what the hell youre doing and if you dont change you will die or end up a cripple at that will be the end of it.
idiot


Ok I think I need a post.

I know that pulling over to the right hand side of the road was stupid especially on a blind corner like that. but I only heard the crash and didnt see it it and I wanted to get there as quickly as possible. but you ARE right. I should have pulled over to the left and ran back instead of finding the first off point, especially since the point I did take was a freaking ditch.

and re your point Bugjuice. yes lean lean lean, but youve seen my tires (or biscuits as the were refered to in the last ride) I really dont feel comfortable putting too much presure on such a small tire.

and also. the countersteering thing. I want someone to prove me wrong on this because I cant be right. but I come from a serious backround of pushbiking and as far as I can feel. the only time I ever turn the bars the way I want to go is when Im at or near stationary, IE. I apply pressure to the left bar to turn left. on every corner. but its the confidence to get that low that you suggest. especually on a bike like mine that bothers me.

and to stop anyone saying. well go out and try it. for the record. I will not be going on any rides for a while. after my 'near death' experience on the way back Im not going past 70k's for a while.

and once again for good measure. the back of my bike was 30-40 degree's off the road. I dont know how I survived. and I was on a pure straight btw.


*edit.
my badcorner.avi was after riding my meself. I wasnt trying to keep up withanyone. I just read the corner wrong

[SPman]

Hmm - its seems we had lots of youthful exuberance, combined with inexperience, leading to some, hopefully, fast learning curves'
Just take it quietly and smoothly out there folks. Swiftness comes with experience. Learn the right moves and let it flow from there.
We dont want any more of this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12054

[bugjuice]

pyro dude, your tyres will corner like hell. You've seen MR take a bike like yours and dissapear. He'll show you any time what your bike is capable of. I only mention MR as one of many who'd show you, but he's the first person I've seen over take me on my 636 on the outside of a corner with the pegs scraping the road without breaking a sweat - on an RG150.
A lowside will just send you sliding. A high side or ditch will send you flying. Which would you prefer? It might not feel the most confident, but just do it. Under the circumstances, it could be a small learning-brown-pant moment by leaning and finding out you can do it, or running wide cos you're a bit scared of the tyres letting go, only to run into the path of oncoming cars. Just for God sake dude, lean.

And please don't stop going on rides. A couple of the key things about the groups is - safety in numbers (you could bin anywhere, any time. If you're with people immediately, that's the best thing. Doesn't just happen on rides), learn from other people. What their lines, they will watch yours. Discuss wide run corners, late braking etc. From this, you will learn. By not going on rides, you are effectively cutting your self off from an unmatched wealth of talent and decades of experiance.
I wish to God that I had stumbled across KB when I first set out, but I didn't, so my learning probably came on a bit slower than it could have. And I've learnt things that I would have done differently, if I had been on KB sooner.

Just watch how you go, and ride to your abilities. The chances are, the bike has more capability than you, so you ride to what you're good at, the bike will be fine. Fron there, you build up your comfort zone, and build on it from there.. Can't stress this enough. And this isn't just to Pyro, it's to everyone who's unsure about their feet. It's all time, and it will come, so don't give up..

[FEINT]

Pyrocam, just watching your videos, the video of bad corner, if there was an oncoming car, mate you wouldn't be here anymore. This isn't a game guys, a serious accident could have occured.

Please, dont' ride beyond your capabilities, it is not worth dying for.

Ride safe. and good videos.

[John]

Who said the newbies were trying to "keep up with the fast guys" John?

and what's this about jezus christ? :unsure:
Hey no need to be ignorate about it, you know what I'm talking about - 'jezus', one who isnt 'jesus'.

[johnsf1980]

That's a seriously nice res for the photo, what's the camera model and how much did it set you back. (Things to shove on my wishlist, after saving up for a new bike).

And *cough* any chance of the rest of the photos on it being uploaded */cough*

Here ya go :)

Its a Kodak cx7430 and set me back 270

[Zed]

Hey no need to be ignorate about it, you know what I'm talking aboutI wasn't being ignorant about it John. I think the statement you made about the "newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys" was incorrect! They weren't.:no:

Now stop being a twerp.

[John]

I wasn't being ignorant about it John. I think the statement you made about the "newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys" was incorrect! They weren't.:no:

Now stop being a twerp.
erm, it was a generalised statement - "this is becoming an epidemic" i.e applying it to a larger picture that you are obvious unaware or unwilling to accept.

[johnsf1980]

The newbies were not trying to keep up with the fast guys.

For quite a bit of the way on SH22 I was the very last rider right behind all of them and we were atleast 15 - 20 mins behind the fast guys from what Ive heard of the amount of time they waited for us at stops.

[Zed]

erm, it was a generalised statement - "this is becoming an epidemic" i.e applying it to a larger picture that you are obvious unaware or unwilling to accept.I think you should quit now while you're ahead dude. :D

[erik]

...and also. the countersteering thing. I want someone to prove me wrong on this because I cant be right. but I come from a serious backround of pushbiking and as far as I can feel. the only time I ever turn the bars the way I want to go is when Im at or near stationary, IE. I apply pressure to the left bar to turn left. on every corner. but its the confidence to get that low that you suggest. especually on a bike like mine that bothers me.

...

I think you've got it right here. Countersteering is necessary to get the bike to lean over, you can't ride without doing it already. I guess what Two Smoker is getting at is that when you're in a corner and feel like you're going wide, it helps to have an understanding of how countersteering works to be able to change your line and tighten your curve.

Other stuff, like "don't be afraid to lean" and "look were you want to go, not at the ditch" is also helpful advice for avoiding going wide. How exactly it helps, I am not sure. I'm still learning to put it in to practice fully myself.

I've tried doing figure 8's in a carpark and changing my line while I do it, I think it might've helped a bit. I think I'm more comfortable, and feel more able to change my line when I'm hanging off the bike as I'm able to lean the bike and let it move underneath me without moving myself as much. Maybe it'll work for you, maybe it won't.

Another thing that can help is working on the line you take into the corner. The guys at the Ride Right course (and in "Profficient Motorcycling") suggested taking a line on the road so that you are wide in the corner until you can see the exit of the corner, then tighten your line. It's also called "late apexing". I think basically it can help because by consciously trying to keep wide-ish (not too wide, you don't want to go off the road or be taken out by someone crossing the centreline), you'll tend to go slower.
If you do the opposite to late apexing, and apex the corner early, you might find the corner continues to go around further than you expected and find yourself heading towards the edge of the road. Plus the late apexing technique gives you the furthest view of the road ahead on blind corners.

It's hard to explain, hopefully that was somewhat understandable. Pictures would help and I highly recommend reading the "Profficient Motorcycling" book for more info.

[John]

I think you should quit now while you're ahead dude. :D
I seriously doubt your interlectual ability - I dont give a fuck what you think I wouldnt really give a shit if you were jesus yourself you just are unwilling to accept anything that you may disagree with you have proved this on more than one occasion.

[justsomeguy]

I wasn't being ignorant about it John. I think the statement you made about the "newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys" was incorrect! They weren't.:no:

Now stop being a twerp.

Wasn't one of the accidents caused by *reckless* overtaking..... trying to keep up a fast pace:yes:

and another accident

taking a corner too fast.........trying to keep up a fast pace:yes:

[pyrocam]

pyro dude, your tyres will corner like hell. You've seen MR take a bike like yours and dissapear. He'll show you any time what your bike is capable of. I only mention MR as one of many who'd show you, but he's the first person I've seen over take me on my 636 on the outside of a corner with the pegs scraping the road without breaking a sweat - on an RG150.
A lowside will just send you sliding. A high side or ditch will send you flying. Which would you prefer? It might not feel the most confident, but just do it. Under the circumstances, it could be a small learning-brown-pant moment by leaning and finding out you can do it, or running wide cos you're a bit scared of the tyres letting go, only to run into the path of oncoming cars. Just for God sake dude, lean.

And please don't stop going on rides. A couple of the key things about the groups is - safety in numbers (you could bin anywhere, any time. If you're with people immediately, that's the best thing. Doesn't just happen on rides), learn from other people. What their lines, they will watch yours. Discuss wide run corners, late braking etc. From this, you will learn. By not going on rides, you are effectively cutting your self off from an unmatched wealth of talent and decades of experiance.
I wish to God that I had stumbled across KB when I first set out, but I didn't, so my learning probably came on a bit slower than it could have. And I've learnt things that I would have done differently, if I had been on KB sooner.

Just watch how you go, and ride to your abilities. The chances are, the bike has more capability than you, so you ride to what you're good at, the bike will be fine. Fron there, you build up your comfort zone, and build on it from there.. Can't stress this enough. And this isn't just to Pyro, it's to everyone who's unsure about their feet. It's all time, and it will come, so don't give up..


I do apreciate this BJ. you know me better than most KB'r s and you know what bike my bike can do and you proberly know my capabilities better than I do. but, I seriously think the 22 is NOT suitable for noobs. I fucked up several times that I dont wish to post the video for and I think. perhaps the 22 is more a moderate-expereinced rider road.

I hate to say this. but. after so many close calls and unskilledness on it. I dont recommend the 22 for ANY noob ride. Ive come out of it clean twice but both times (you know this surfchic and from the vids) Ive come very close to disaster.

perhaps the next noob ride should be UP the SH1 to wellsford or further.

[dss3]

I had a very enjoyable ride, left Hamilton around 10.00 i think and was getting used to riding again after a few weeks off the bike. 22 was in very good condition given the time of the year and the threat of rain.

About 50k out of Ngara's I cam across the first guys leading the ride down from Aucks, thought sweet i'll keep riding untill the end of the tail and then follow along with the guys at the back.

Well!, shit I had to ride for about and extra 5km before I could turn around, 'tis a very impressive sight to see a line of 40ish bikes in a train weaving their way through the back roads! Finally got to the end of the line and saw Eric, so thought i'd sit just in front of him and let him follow along behind me (for whatever benefit he may gain from following me!) you seemed to be riding really well mate! We started to increase the pace a little and caught up to some of the others.

Then had a cool blat back into Ham's following MR and TS. Equally as good following them on the way back, these two are great to ride behind to learn from, so long as you can keep them in view! Also had a good time sitting in behind sAsLEX along Horitu Rd, some very nice sweeping corners there.

All and all was a great days riding for me, shame I didn't get to meet many of the new faces, always next time.

And TS lemme know when your disc's are done at F1 if you like I can pick them up and courier them to you from work... no charge.

Re the wide cornering/crashes, it is all very well to just say "lean some more" but really how easy is that too do?! Im sure that the all of us find that when we lean we get to a point where we don't feel comfortable leaning any more, and it feels like to do so was cause you to crash, despite the fact that the bike can certainly be leant further. You will only feel comfortable leaning the bike more with time and practise.

Ciao
Daryl

[Sheep Dags]

I hate to say this. but. after so many close calls and unskilledness on it. I dont recommend the 22 for ANY noob ride. Ive come out of it clean twice but both times (you know this surfchic and from the vids) Ive come very close to disaster.

perhaps the next noob ride should be UP the SH1 to wellsford or further.


If you're gonna ride motorbikes you have to learn to take corners. 22 is perfect for this. You don't HAVE to go at any speed you aren't comfortable with. In fact you definately shouldn't. The more rides you go on, the more you will learn. Of course you're not gonna get your knee down overnight, but you will slowly get more confident and learn where your real limits lie, by riding more. But i totally agree, don't ride outside your limits. You know what they are.

[MacD]

If you do the opposite to late apexing, and apex the corner early, you might find the corner continues to go around further than you expected and find yourself heading towards the edge of the road. Plus the late apexing technique gives you the furthest view of the road ahead on blind corners.

It's hard to explain, hopefully that was somewhat understandable. Pictures would help and I highly recommend reading the "Profficient Motorcycling" book for more info.

Good advice Erik.

The RideSafe website (http://www.rideforever.co.nz/ride_smart/control_cornering.html) has quite an extensive discussion on riding lines and countersteering around corners.

Early apexing is also a bad idea on right-hand corners as it puts you too close to the centreline, as well as tending to run you wide on the exit.

[pyrocam]

on a different note. Im very annoyed that I didnt hbave the camera going when my bike shat itself on sh1 at 100 or so K's

so here is an animated gif to help describe it


man I hate the guy that called me a bastard after I came so close to being fender goo.

[dss3]

LMFAO! :killingme :killingme

Luv that little .gif mate, that is bloody cool! If you had it weaving half as much as the little .gif rider did im impressed!

_daryl

[erik]

:laugh: nice gif :niceone:

Maybe he thought you did it on purpose? :wacko:

[pyrocam]

thanks guys. for the record, that is actually what happened. it was a visual aide but honestly. my back wheel was doing such random angles. I honestly thougt at the time I was going to die

[pyrocam]

:laugh: nice gif :niceone:

Maybe he thought you did it on purpose? :wacko:

yeah as far as I was aware, he could see me wanking myself all over the road so he was pissed at having to slow down.

I reckon he was following too close though and had a close call himself so was a bit scared himself

[SuperDave]

I agree with some of you guys especially Quasi's comments. I'm new to biking myself being on my restricted and only having about 8 months worth of riding time, but depsite this I can see that you guys need to stop thinking with your dicks and use your brains more.

No offence Ricksta, but this is the 2nd time that you have crashed very recently. You gotta slow down, chill, and learn to control your bike. I have crashed once on my FXR at about 45kph, from my own negligence with the kickstand causing a lowside. Now I was not injured badly, nor the bike too badly damaged, but I realise fucking up like that could have been a lot worse, such as a car being in the other lane which myself and the bike slide across into for example.

Luckily the few recent bins albeit the obvious one have not seen those involved being seriously injured. You are not invincible.

[limmy]

Would have been good if you had been on the ride. I was there and talked with these guys and they were gutted about it but positive at the same time. I think they are learning from their mistakes. :shutup:


Hmm....learning from their mistakes? Not too sure bout that. Isn't that 2 crashes out of 2 rides now Ricksta?

Ricksta, now will you believe me when I say you shouldn't have gone on the ride? 22 is a difficult ride and its not for everybody. I didn't go on the ride for a good reason....i did it a few weeks ago and it was too much for me. basically my skills didn't match the road.

Would be a good idea for the newbies to just stick to the easier rides. there's a good reason why the newbie ride that we did last week was on Old North Road. Its a nice simple ride to get you used to cornering at speed.

Not too long ago I was in the same position as the newbies (well...i'm still quite new actually :D ) but i took the advice of the more experience guys and just practice leaning. And went down to the track and did more practicing. and got comfortable with my bike. I am enjoying it much more now. I guess what i'm trying to say is the newbies should just cool it off and take it easy. Some of the other guys have had five to ten years or even more riding experience so they are more capable of going round the corners. You should know your own limits and ride at a pace that suits you. Riding is one of those things where you need to be real honest with yourself. If you bullshit yourself into thinking that you're hot shit then you'll probably end up killing yourself. :mad:

[2_SL0]

I mean no offence to anyone, but I watched the vids, I would recommend you both do some reading and then some practising. Motorcycles are all about corners. They are the hardest thing to come to grips with, but proberly one of the most important.
I would happily lead the slow riders but they may get bored with my even slower pace. :D

[Zapf]

OK! YOU NEED TO RIDE 22. IN THE DRY.

I was a newbie back in August last year. I got my VTR250 delivered to my house and I didn't even know how to ride it up the drive way.

With 22 is that there is so many corners that you can't read very far ahead, so you have to improve your corner reading / riding / self control skill.

Best is to actually ride by yourself but knowing that in a few mins time you'll have support if you need it. That was my 1st experience with SH22. I had stopped to do up my helmet strap as I had forgot, and by the time I had finish I have lost the guys. I got instructions from a trucker about how to get on SH22 and pretty much ride by myself until I hunted down the group resting on a stop.

Because by riding yourself you have time to read the corner and think about your riding. where as if you where riding group and trying hard to keep up with the guy ahead, all you are doing it thinking about the bike ahead, hence you are reading the bike ahead and not reading the road. Which sheepdag (sorry hope you don't mine) can be used as an example today, as he followed the faster bike ahead of him off the road.

The key is to ride to your OWN speed and not follow the speed set by someone up ahead.

ok.... enough from me :)

[Motoracer]

Hmmm, dunno what to say, specially after a few beers, some tequla and going without any sleep for 22 hours... but here goes:

I got up early this time as I had a few things in my mind (non M/C related), so I got out of bed and got ready to go at a leasurely pace. Sure enough when I reached the Autobhan, I was the first one there. Wooohoooo! That's gotta be a first!

One after another they rolled in and parked outside the cafe. After a bit of catching up with the people I already knew and introducing myself to the new people, me and T.S. got things started.

As per the plan, all 40 bikes (yes 40+!!!) took off, one by one and got on the motorway. Due to the large numbers and vast differences in paces, there was a bit of a confusion so, after missing the turn off, I lead the 3 other guys who were riding at about 80kmph through a shortcut to head towards Tuakau to meet up with the rest of the group. I don't have a speedo or anything but I estimated my self going at about 1/3rd of my regular pace and the guys were kind of getting a bit left behind. Oh crap. What to do, what to do? In one hand I have people like Zed, Speedmedic, Twosmoker and in the other hand I have the newbies who are going at about 1/3rd of the pace of the leading guys. I stopped on the side of the road and asked if this was their regular pace or if they were just shy. Once they confirmed to me that this was their regular pace, I offered to esscort them back to the closest main road to head back to Auckland. I know, real stink thing to do but this wasn't going to work if we kept at this pace.

The noobs were still keen on the ride and they insisted that they'll come for some of the way then turn back if they were holding back the main group. That sounded a bit stink for the n00bs but hey, in the interest of the majority of the people, it was fair enough.

So we got to Tuakau and finally met the rest of the group. Since the main group had gone around the longer way we were pretty much right behind them, so it was a good start. Everyone was still together, we had left the SH1 behind us and the glorious SH22 welcomed us to come play in her wonderfull play ground.

Johnsf1980 said that the main group was going a bit too fast and he'd rather stay back and lead the n00bs. Since he was an experienced rider and he was happy to stay with the n00bs, I was very greatfull and I was able to take off to check on the rest of the group.

Everyone was riding at a nice flowing pace and I was going past them to check what the guys up front were doing to see that everything was OK. At this point I may have created a few concerns regarding my passing manuvers and I appologise for that, however it may not have seemed so in your eyes at the time but I was in 100% control of the situation and thoes manuvers were calculated in my brain, which already had the safety of everyone else and my own in consideration. I think the speed and the small margine I worked with comes from track riding and I probably shouldn't have done that when riding with everyone on the road, as it might have given a few of you a bit of a scare but I really needed to get an idea of what the guys at the front were doing so I didn't waste any time. People who've riden with me for a while are used to this by now :p

Anywhoo, with no other dramas, we got to our second main stop. Everyone took of their lids and had a good yarn with each other as we all waited for the rest of the gang to catch up. After a bit of waiting the guys arrived and I was a bit relived as I really didn't want to loose the n00bs since we were now well into SH22 teritory and I don't think anyone of them had done it before. That moment of relife didn't last very long as a crashing sound suddenly took my attention towards Danb's pride and joy which was now sliding on it's side on loose metal, crap!. This is crash #1. All that happened was he was coming to a stop, didn't see the gravel, front locked up under brakes, over the gravel and the front tucked under. I think he would have been going at about 10-20kmph so it was no biggie but still very anoying for Danb as the bike got a fair bit of gravel rash. After we all checked out his bike and him, we were all set to go again.

I singnaled everyone to take off and they did. To my surprise, my old mates vladi and Marmoot turned up! Great, now we can have a bit of fun. n00bs are taken care of and ahead of us and Twosmoker, me and vladi were all set to go.

As we took off and took the very first few corners, we saw a few bikes parked on the side. Hmmmmm.... odd.... Since this was just a couple of hundred meters away from the place where we had stopped, I thought they must have been taking pictures of the group or something, so I thought photo time! I gave them a wave and went around the corner right past them. Only later on, did I come to know that this is where crash#2 had occured. FFS! Another one? Anywho, the outcome was not bad although it could have been VERY bad if he wasn't so lucky! I don't know the details of this crash as I never saw it.

It was a great little ride after that. Me, TS and vladi went for it and all of us had a great time riding with each other all the way through to Narawahia. I was testing the new new Knobblie tire on the XR600 and from riding with vladi and TS, it really wasn't upto scratch. After I looked at it later on, I found out that it was some russian made knobblie tire which was hard as fuck and really had fuck all grip. It was good training for me for racing for sure with the lack of grip but had it been wet, I would have been stuffed cause the damp paches on the road in the shady areas was like having the road smothered with KY (fuckin nerve wrecking! But still, it was good practice).

After the Narawahia stop, we were 20mins away from our lunch stop so a few people decided to split up and do their own thing. Since dss3 lives in Hamilton, I asked him to lead everyone into Mc'Ds in Hamy through the back roads while I waited for the n00bs who were still coming. After a bit, the n00bs came and I regrouped withthem again and took them down to Hamilton via some back roads as well. I however took them through a more direct set of back roads with mainly straights and open sweepers so that we would have hassle free ride down to Hamilton to our lunch stop. I rode at what must have been 80 or 90 and I saw that the n00bs were still falling behind as they must have been trying to follow the 70kmph max rule. OK fair enough, the roads were straight so I didn't think I needed to stay with them doing 70-80kmph as well so I went along at about 100-110 all the way to Hamilton. Chickenfunkstar road with me at this stage so we were just waiting on 3 other bikes to turn up . We waited then we waited, then Johnsf1980 came, then we waited and we waited some more. Then came the 2 bikes. I showed my thumbs up to them as an indication of asking if everything was cool, then one of the guys was nodding his head "no". Ok... now what? After a bit of chat, this anonomous (how the fuck do you spell that? hey I think I am sobering up now... anywhoo, more to the point) person had come off again, yes again! THis was crash #3. This crash happened while the rider was overtaking a truck then was surprised by another on comming truck. After not knowing where to go, he decided to go onto the grass/gravel which was a better option than meeting a truck, head on!

Holly shite! This was just lunch stop, meaning this was just half of the ride and already there was this much drama?? This was not what I had in mind for simple blat down SH22, but it had certainly been interesting to say the least!

We then had lunch at Mc D's then more people split up from the main group. When we were just about to leave, we had a slight drizel and clouds hanging over our heads leaving us praying to the weather gods to be kind to us. A few guys had other commitments back home in Auckland and the n00bs had enough of SH22 so a bunch of them went up SH1.

Now the group was a lot smaller and a lot more managable with the pace more closer together, which was great!

We basically had a good blast back up and dss3 road back some of the way but then turned back to Hamilton after that. Then me and Twosmoker finally got the chance to have a head to head battle! My underpower XR600 with shit tires with his hugely underpowerd but better handeling RG150 were almost perfectly evenly matched. So we had a close battle just training ourselves up (which doesn't inlude anything dangerous as we were well within our limits + the bikes we were riding maxed out at 160kmph) That was really the highlight of the day for myself.

After riding for a while with Twosmoker at a pretty quick pace, we both stopped on the side of the road to let everyone catch up. While we were waiting we had a yarn and 10mins had gone by. After that, I knew it... I said to TS, aaahh fuck! Someone else has come off. We aren't that fast compaired to the other people! So suspecting the worst, we headed back. Sure enough after going back a few Ks Sure enough there were 3 other crashes!!!

Non of these riders were newbies and I hardly think they were trying to keep up. Something happened which made the chain crash occure however I am not allowed to disclose any further info regarding the crash. If the people who crashed wish to disclose the info, that is their wish and only they can do it.

Basically that's where the ride ended for everyone. Most of us waited till Death_Inc got to the scene with his trailer. Thank you Death!!! Then we all said our good byes and headed back to Auckland. Sorry for a crap ending but I am getting really sleepy now! lol

[Motoracer]

Quick sumary:

Cheers for coming everyone, you n00bs as well :)!! Thank you to the majority of you for riding safely and not bininnig it. To the people who binned. You are all VERY lucky. If I think there is a need for me to say something to someone regarding the bins, I will PM them as it would be more appropriate to do so.

I reckon this is the last of the "Ride for all" ride. From next time it will definetly be a good idea to plan rides bassed on skill level and pace levels. Variation is definetly good for people to learn from but if there are vast differences, problems may arise. However I don't think I could have avoided the crashes that happened today with better planing. Crash #1 and Crash#2 were very slow speed crashes and all of us Me, Two smoker, vladi etc etc were BEHIND the n00bs anyway for crash #2, so they weren't trying to catch up!!!! The bend was tricky and I think he didn't know what to do in a decreasing radius turn due to lack of experience and overshot it. Typical n00b mistake. There has been pleanty of great advises put up already about how to avoid such mistakes again, so I won't repeat that here.

Also there were so many riders so it's hard to say who was doing what but the n00b of the day award goes to Jeremy on the GN250! :niceone:

[Fart]

I did remember asking on Friday before the ride if this was a slow or fast ride. Hope all will learn from this and ride at their own pace next time. Anyway, it was good to meet some faces behind the posts. :niceone:

[ricksta]

fuken hell!!! just got up, turn on the computer, feelin nice and happy, was looking forward to see what people has to say about their experience... and all i see are posts about me and my crash! i'm sick of your stupid comments. All i see is "noobs trying to keep up", "this is not a race!"...

i wasnt trying to keep up for fucks sakes! :mad: we were about half an hour behind... average speed? 80Km/h.

i'm a noob and noobs make mistakes! u guys are talking like i'm all experienced... i was dissapointed with myself and i dont need u guys to make comments like you were there and know what was going on... for your information i did learn a lot from that ride, leaning isnt as easy as it sounds... its scary (laugh all you fukin want) if you dont want to have me in this community thats fine, i'll leave... no need to call me a...
fucken egg !!!


This is what i said before deciding wether to go or not...

i'm still not 100% sure wether i'm coming or not...

i've talked to Feint and Limmy about this route and they both said that its very twisty and not recomended for noobs... i wont try to go fast and match the experienced riders though, i'll ride on my own pace with other slow riders... just wondering if theres anyone who knows the way around and willing to ride with us... so we wont get lost? i dont want to ruin anyone's weekend though... only if u feel like taking it slow.

i'll let the east boys know tomorrow if i'm still coming.

So for one last time... i wasnt trying to impress anyone, i never tried to keep up with the fast boys and i was riding on comfortable speed.

So this is what i get for misreading a corner? thanks u guys you're real nice. You have no idea how i feel right now.

anyways, even though the day didnt go as smooth as i wanted, i had a great time meeting new people and learning new skills (believe me i did). Thanks Krayy for all the tips u gave me and to Jeremy, DanB, and John... we had fun didnt we? :) i'll see u guys when i see ya.

goodbye

[SlashWylde]

Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.

How is it that on one ride two riders ended up on the wrong side of the road with one crashing ? I will tell you why because
1/ you dont have the skills to match the speed your stupid fucken brains set you at
2/ you thought it was a race

for christ sake wake the FUCK up, you could have easily ended up in a box !!
its not a game, why do you think it is .

I reckon I will get some flak for my last two posts, but you know what I couldnt give a shit ! I am sick of hearing about Bins, close calls and the like from guys who think they can ride a bike, you cant !! you have no idea what the hell youre doing and if you dont change you will die or end up a cripple at that will be the end of it.
idiot


No mate I fully agree with you on this one. People are biting off more than they can chew on the roads lately.

Public roads are are very uncontrolled environment. Each corner is a new corner and different to the last one. You have uneven road surfaces, surface water, gravel, cow poo etc. All in all very hazardous. And if you do make a mistake and cross the center line there is the potential to hit an innocent oncoming vehicle.

For gods sake people the roads aren't a race track so don't treat them like one.

For what it's worth Quasi, I'll give ya +ve rep points.

[saiko]

Mine... all mine!! :ride:

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

Nice bike - don't worry about keeping up, just think how comfy your seat is on a long ride, when the others have sore butts.

[justsomeguy]

fuken hell!!! just got up, turn on the computer, feelin nice and happy, was looking forward to see what people has to say about their experience... and all i see are posts about me and my crash! i'm sick of your stupid comments. All i see is "noobs trying to keep up", "this is not a race!"...

i wasnt trying to keep up for fucks sakes! :mad: we were about half an hour behind... average speed? 80Km/h.

i'm a noob and noobs make mistakes! u guys are talking like i'm all experienced... i was dissapointed with myself and i dont need u guys to make comments like you were there and know what was going on... for your information i did learn a lot from that ride, leaning isnt as easy as it sounds... its scary (laugh all you fukin want) if you dont want to have me in this community thats fine, i'll leave... no need to call me a...


This is what i said before deciding wether to go or not...


So for one last time... i wasnt trying to impress anyone, i never tried to keep up with the fast boys and i was riding on comfortable speed.

So this is what i get for misreading a corner? thanks u guys you're real nice. You have no idea how i feel right now.

anyways, even though the day didnt go as smooth as i wanted, i had a great time meeting new people and learning new skills (believe me i did). Thanks Krayy for all the tips u gave me and to Jeremy, DanB, and John... we had fun didnt we? :) i'll see u guys when i see ya.

goodbye

Hey Ricksta....

Take it easy matey, it's just that a mate of ours called Flyin died very recently in exactly the same accident that you could have had if you didn't miss the truck.

So everyone here is a bit worked up, scared, confused, angry, sad that it *almost* happened again. At KB we all really like each other and all of us want to give each other the most amount of support and learning.

I apologise for those that were a bit short with you. But you must understand that these are life and death situations.

None of us want to be the one explaining to your Mum and Dad what happened.

Don't worry mate. We all have had similar experiences. First we all laugh about it. Then when we get older and wiser we realise the actual risks....(oh shit what if I lose my job, I had an important meeting with my client tomorrow, who's looking after my kids at the moment, will I ever be OK again, what's my future gonna be, oh no, oh no, oh no........and sometimes serious post traumatic stress)

So please take a few deep breaths, relax and thank God that you are fine.

It is very encouraging that you have learnt from your experiences. I'm sure you will be a better rider now than you were 2 days ago.:yes:

So chin - up big guy. Keep at it and one day you'll be our next race star:niceone:

But BUY SOME PANTS TODAY. You risk injuries similar to 3rd degree burns if you don't.

[saiko]

You should always analize your crashes and learn from them... Ive done it the hard way and ive had a few crashes... I dont like seeing other people doing it the hard way...

Top advice - I don't know a hell of a lot, but I think it's important to analyse what happened, and learn from it.

[SlashWylde]

Ricksta mate no one's accusing you of trying to keep up or impress anyone. The point is some other bikers get pissed off when they think someone is making light of a crash especially in light of some who have died recently.

The ride yesterday was, I think, too advanced for new riders. It was long in terms of hours on the road and there were quite alot of corners to gudge and handle in a variety of surface conditions.

Considering that last weekend you weren't confident about even riding on a strainght motorway up to Westgate I think this ride was beyond your current riding ability.

Give yourself tiem to learn, do the BRONZE course and buy some armoured pants and decent boots. They'll only cost you around $400 each. Thats cheap compared to the injuries you could sustain the next time you come off.

Last of all don't leave the site. We do want you here and there are a lot of friendly folks here to make friends with and learn from.

Take it easy.

[Hooks]

No mate I fully agree with you on this one. People are biting off more than they can chew on the roads lately.

Public roads are are very uncontrolled environment. Each corner is a new corner and different to the last one. You have uneven road surfaces, surface water, gravel, cow poo etc. All in all very hazardous. And if you do make a mistake and cross the center line there is the potential to hit an innocent oncoming vehicle.

For gods sake people the roads aren't a race track so don't treat them like one.

For what it's worth Quasi, I'll give ya +ve rep points.

Yeah Quasi I second those comments !! Some of these guys are getting on their bikes with now real idea on what to do when hitting a corner !! ... If someone is out on the road ... with traffic coming towards them or not ... they should be able to control their vehicle ... car or bike !! If they can't then they should stick to small surburban roads and get used to going around corners in a safe manner ... maybe picking roads with lots of different corner shapes to help gain experience.
What I saw in that crash vid gave me the shits .... feet down .. no control .. there was no real attempt to even get around the corner FFS .... if not a car coming the other way then a pushbike or hitchhiker would have had him in trouble .. !!
I'm sorry guys ... but you obviously are NOT ready for the open road and all it's perils .... I'm no speedster anymore and I have too much respect for my friends & family to push the limits as I once did .... but I can tell you ... after not being on a bike for so long and then getting back onto my beast ... I was amazed to how badly some people do ride in traffic or just on the open road ....

Rickster ... I am sorry you have copped the flak you have ... but you are not ready for the type of roads that you were on ... the corner didn't need reading .... it needed to be ridden !! you didn't ride it ... it rode you ... right off the road !! ... So get some K's under your belt on easy roads at safe speeds and get to know your bike .... ride it in the gravel even ... learn it's characteristics and feel it .... then go out and ride the open roads ... but most of all ... ride to live ... then I will happy ... maybe we will have saved one from the fate that was Flyin's ... I don't care if you take offense even ...as long as you live ....
I am done with this rant ... finally ....
*Sits back and waits for the slings and arrows ..... :Punk: :drinknsin

[MikeL]

I had another very enjoyable ride yesterday. It was enjoyable for various reasons: the weather gods smiled, I met many old friends and made some new ones, I didn't fall off...
But seriously, falling off is the crux of an issue that yesterday's ride and all of the subsequent comments posted here have highlighted.
FWIW this is what I think:
Before the ride there were the usual concerns expressed, and reasurances given, about and by inexperienced riders. We all know the theory. But in practice group rides ALWAYS predispose towards accidents, because the ego constantly nags away at caution. If we take a corner slower than we could have, riding solo, we shrug our shoulders, make a mental note for future reference, and that's that. In a group, we look behind and see others getting closer, and ahead, and see them getting further away, and the ego takes over. It takes experience (including, in many cases, painful experience...), maturity and a lot of self-discipline to override an almost universal and very powerful psychological impulse.
I had had very little experience of group riding until a few years ago, when I joined Ulysses. I had some very lucky escapes. My accident on SH22 last year would probably not have happened if I'd been on my own. And I am one of the more mature members of this forum, supposedly with wisdom and judgement and common-sense :whistle:
Group rides give inexperienced riders opportunities to improve their skills but unless this is in very tightly controlled circumstances the risks outweigh the advantages. I would suggest that any new rider who contemplates doing SH22 or a similar difficult road should do it solo first, without pressure...

[Blakamin]

ok... as a kiwibiker I think people should ride at their own pace... If your new, relax and take it easy... if you're fast... dont invite new people on your ride... MR, if you wanna do what you do, keep it on the track or keep it with you and who-ever.... DON'T call it a KB ride and then bitch when "n00bs" turn up! it is a hi-way... and there are always other road users... get over it!!


N00bs, if you cant ride and learn, dont.... stay away from much faster riders... it's better to be alive and slow than trying to be "da man" and being fuckin dead!! :mad:


ps... about to watch vids now....

[bugjuice]

Mike, agree with you on your comments.
Reminds me of the other month coming back from National Park/Taupo weekend event (still fukin rocks), and I was (to my amazement) up there with the 'big boys' such as WT, dss3 and a couple of others (but I forget) and they were off. I managed to keep on their tail for a few mins, well in sight, then I realised properly what I was doing. I wasn't leaving any room for error. I was riding it on the edge, and I didn't even know the road. It was that point I made the concious desicion and said fuk it. Those guys are good, I'm not at that level. I'm just gonna enjoy the road and the ride. So I backed off. It wasn't a sub-consious deisicion to keep up, more like an ego run, to see if I could. I found myself a little out of depth for a while, so just backed it off..

My point is, sometimes you have to really think about what you're doing, and make sure it's the right thing..

No one wants people to leave the site. As I said earlier, there's a wealth of unmatched knowledge and experiance. Turning that off is quite possibly the worst thing to do.

[Blakamin]

and another thing.... you realise that your being quick might be getting a "n00b" killed?????

ya wanna ride with ya mates, call it a private ride.... we dont want another another memorial for someone that "tried to keep up"


you have no idea how pissed off i am right now... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Blakamin]

Mike, agree with you on your comments.
Reminds me of the other month coming back from National Park/Taupo weekend event (still fukin rocks), and I was (to my amazement) up there with the 'big boys' such as WT, dss3 and a couple of others
lol... look at R1 aaron and his attempt to keep up with "jimmy the legend"!!! fuck that!! i'm never gunna try to keep up with them boys....


Use you fucking head people!!! who cares if you ride "slow"... as long as you get there!!!!!!

[Jeremy]

Quick sumary:

Cheers for coming everyone, you n00bs as well :)!! Thank you to the majority of you for riding safely and not bininnig it. To the people who binned. You are all VERY lucky. If I think there is a need for me to say something to someone regarding the bins, I will PM them as it would be more appropriate to do so.

I reckon this is the last of the "Ride for all" ride. From next time it will definetly be a good idea to plan rides bassed on skill level and pace levels. Variation is definetly good for people to learn from but if there are vast differences, problems may arise. However I don't think I could have avoided the crashes that happened today with better planing. Crash #1 and Crash#2 were very slow speed crashes and all of us Me, Two smoker, vladi etc etc were BEHIND the n00bs anyway for crash #2, so they weren't trying to catch up!!!! The bend was tricky and I think he didn't know what to do in a decreasing radius turn due to lack of experience and overshot it. Typical n00b mistake. There has been pleanty of great advises put up already about how to avoid such mistakes again, so I won't repeat that here.

Also there were so many riders so it's hard to say who was doing what but the n00b of the day award goes to Jeremy on the GN250! :niceone:

Does that make me the n00biest of the n00bs or the other way around? Well at least it's better than being voted a strumpet :P

[Motoracer]

This is what i said before deciding wether to go or not...

I appologise with me making the comments of "load of crap" to the opinion shared by your mates of SH22 not being suitable for n00bs. It's just that, I had no idea of how much of inexperience we were talking about. I didn't know that you were at that much of an early stage into your riding. I was there too once, and I was just as vunrable to crashes etc so I fully understannd the situation you were in. This only became apprant to me when we rode through the twisty sections before our first stop. That is why I had sujested for some to head back. It's good that you guys came along though cause after your crashes you have learnt even if it was the hard way around. Let's just be thankfull that no one was hurt and keep the things we learnt from our and others mistakes in our mind so that such mistakes will not be repeated in the future.

Ricksta, everyone in here means well. No one wants you to leave. Please read through all the coments put up in this thread and others reagarding crashes etc and take all the good out of it as much as you can. Cause a lot of it is great advise! I know it's a bit hard when you are being called a whatever but hey that was a reality check for you, cause crashin is a very serious matter and sometimes some people take it far too lightly. Some of us are bit emotional on the subject as Flyin passed away by making very similar n00b mistakes and since we do care for you, people are just sharing their concerns or "telling you off". Live and learn man.

[Motoracer]

Does that make me the n00biest of the n00bs or the other way around? Well at least it's better than being voted a strumpet :P

Lol, na man you did real well.

P.S. Blakamin: You'd have to be the biggest fuken wanker on this site! Put your emotions aside and get some facts that have already been posted through your head!

If anyone other than Blakamin reckons I was to be blamed then please come forward and I will gladly accpet it.

You weren't there and you aren't even trying to understand the situation, so why bother to coment about it then?

If you didn't know, everyone was riding at their own pace and generally having a good time. Read my fuken write up if you want the details regarding what happened. Ricksta as he said was NOT "Trying to FUKEN keep up"!!! He was doing his own thing and ran off the road on his own. Are you telling me that you have never ever made any riding errors while doing a solo? If you haven't then fine, most people do make errors even when riding on their own.

Me riding quick would have possibly killed a n00b? How is that my friend? While I personally took the responcibility of looking after them, I rode at their pace. When I handed the responcibility to look after them to another experienced rider, I was free to do my own thing cause they were taken care of. Do you really think I was going quick while leading the n00bs???

Do you own KB or something? If not then fuck off. I can organise a KB ride when ever I want and it is upto the individual people if they would like to join me or not. I have met great people through KB and all of us fast KB riders usually do have private rides together. Howeve the main aspect of KB and group rides is meeting people for me. Specially meeting new people is exciting, that is why I'd bother with a group ride really. That is why I invited everyone to come along, for a change so that everyone can get to know each other. Fast riders would get to meet new riders and vv where in normal circumstances, they would have never met cause of their differnet riding speeds.

Everything did go according to plan as far as I could see. If you can host a ride for 40+ riders and and tell me that you can garuntee a ride without ANY crashes, then good fucken luck to you sir!!

[Blakamin]

aww... FFS MR, i wasn't having a go at you personally... grow up you silly cunt!
Down here a guy got buried... why? coz he was tryin to keep up... get off your ego and stop thinking you're a fucking legend before you end up as a statistic as well... you are human.. you are the one I picked because YOU admitted stupid passing prtactices. YOU might do it on a track... keep it there... not everyone knows how to react whilst being passed.... keep it off the road and grow up you stupid cunt!!!

[Aitch]

I had a ball! Only saw one slow speed crash, braking in gravel, so I can't comment on the others, but the ride was a great way for me and my new bike to get to know each other better. I had a fright early on, went into a corner a little too fast, but made it anyway so after that I took corners at my own speed and made up ground on the straight bits. If I held anyone up I'm sorry. (Big black bike) I had to carry on from Hamilton, and came home this afternoon up 1b from just south of Cambridge. Cornering felt a whole lot more natural today, and the bike just felt lighter and easier to ride.
And waht a buzz it was riding in a big mob!!! Gotta do it again, what's on in a fortnight?
As for 22 not being suitable for noobs, I have to disagree. As long as they can keep most of their testosterone in the bottle, and think about what they're doing I reckon it's a great ride. This ride wasn't specifically for noobs, maybe we need to think about seperating big groups like this into two seperate rides based on ability and desired speed?
See you guys all again soon.

[Blakamin]

you know what MR? I give up... you can keep riding like you're immortal and when you fuck up... I dont care... I know now, after this little lesson, not to refer people to KB anymore.... I refered my brother-in-laws mrs to this site this morning coz she wanted people to ride with, but if it means riding with cunts like you... I take it back...


I quit... the sticker is comin off my bike and you and your racing in streets can get fucked.... I'm outta here

[Two Smoker]

ok... as a kiwibiker I think people should ride at their own pace... If your new, relax and take it easy... if you're fast... dont invite new people on your ride... MR, if you wanna do what you do, keep it on the track or keep it with you and who-ever.... DON'T call it a KB ride and then bitch when "n00bs" turn up! it is a hi-way... and there are always other road users... get over it!!


N00bs, if you cant ride and learn, dont.... stay away from much faster riders... it's better to be alive and slow than trying to be "da man" and being fuckin dead!! :mad:




He called a KB ride, he said newbies are welcome, BUT they are required to do 100kmh due to the motorway speeds and open road riding. They did not do this, so it was refered that they turn back. People SHOULD ride at their own pace, i rode at my own pace, and im very sorry that my personal safe pace (safe meaning calculating risks possible hazards, times to react etc) is a hell of a lot faster than everyone elses. I have alot more pride saying that i did a 1:09.75 around Pukekohe than saying "did you see me pass that R1???" I never say "look at me i passed that R1"

Its the riders responsibility to ride at their own pace, why should i ride at 80kmh just to stop others keeping up with me? I shouldnt. It should be their decision NOT to keep up with me.

Me personally i know im Human, some people dont believe me, but i used to ride alot faster than i do now on the road. I dont do that now because i dont want to become a statistic, i want to live for the next raceday.

I believe that KB is a great place, and KB rides are great. There is no reason to feel that you should have to "keepup" due to the fact that i and other fast riders ALWAYS wait at stops for slower riders.

Now personally why the fuck should i go on Newbie rides and pass on my knowledge about riding safely??? If all im going to get is basically (since you changed your post and made it a general comment) being called a cunt, for riding at my pace???

WELL FUCK YOU GUYS THEN!!! THIS WAS MY FIRST KB RIDE IN MONTHS, AND NOW ITS MY FUCKING LAST!!!

[enigma51]

Chill out people. Been reading this and almost fell off my chair what is wrong with you people Yes its not a race track yes people were doing silly things yes people are angry and Flyin has just past away but getting upset and pissed off because a few people had a few falls is not they way to treat this. What I hope is that the guys that had moments learned from it.

[Aitch]

Then count to 10 a few times.
It appears that some poele have some very strong feeling about the organisation and execution of yesterday's run. These were generally posted with some restraint. Unfortunately others took exception and/ or personal offence at the comments and said so. The thread rapidly degenerated into an exercise in throwing toys out of the cot!
Personally I enjoyed the run and thought it was well organised. Orgainsers of runs can't be help responsible for the actions of all those there. All they can do is make the effort to get the run set up and assume that people will ride safely.
I'd suggest that anyone tempted to fly into e-print as soon as they take offence should take a moment to consider the intention behind the offending post, and also ponder on whether any criticsm is warranted. THEN wait a few minutes before you hit the keys......
I like this site, most folks on here are decent, responsible human beings. Don't wreck it just because yourfeeling are hurt....

[justsomeguy]

you know what MR? I give up... you can keep riding like you're immortal and when you fuck up... I dont care... I know now, after this little lesson, not to refer people to KB anymore.... I refered my brother-in-laws mrs to this site this morning coz she wanted people to ride with, but if it means riding with cunts like you... I take it back...


I quit... the sticker is comin off my bike and you and your racing in streets can get fucked.... I'm outta here

Hey Blakamin I'm pretty much a newbie rider and I've riden with MR a few times and watched him on the track.

When he passes people doing 120-140+ on 22 it may seem dangerous to the person being passed. But for someone who is used to passing people at 240+ making a 120-140kmph pass isn't a serious life threatening move it's well in his comfort zone. It's relatively not something to worry about. Especially when no one is in danger. The slower rider has TO DO NOTHING.

And by the time you've realised that you have been passed the fellas are far out of sight already.

[250learna]

man downloading these is so painfuly slow, nice quality tho :niceone:

[Al]

Who would think that one KB ride would spark so much emotion?
I didn't join the ride, but by the sounds of it the vast majority had a good time.
People go on rides to ride, not to set an example to "noobs" or to teach "noobs" correct lines, etc..... There were some that volunteered to lead the "slower" riders, good on them for sacrificing their addrenaline rush to help newer riders!
To rant and rave about people traveling fast, etc is not doing much for anything or anyone, I am sure Ricksta has had enough for a while and that this whole issue has been thrashed about so much that it is now past the "use-by date".
Emotions are running high because of Flyin (RIP buddy), but life does carry on..

My 2c worth :ride:

Al

[FEINT]

I don't want get involved with what is going on in this thread.

1) You can't hold the organiser responsible. Organisers have no control over the riders actions.

2) The thread stated that some riders don't get to ride very often and they will be riding fast. It was stated. If others chose to come, they know what they are getting themselves in to.

3) All are welcome for the ride. That means anybody can turn up (even newbies) but at the end of the day, everybody has to look after themselves.

4) everyone is entitled to ride at the pace they choose, after all, it is their life that they are putting at risk. If you don't feel comfortable, slow down.

All I am going to say is, you all have to watch your own riding out there. At the end of the day, it is the individual rider that has to take responsibility for himself / herself.

Just remember that if you bin, it is YOU that is going to hurt... not somebody else.

Newbies, if there was another car heading towards you when you crossed that centre line, I wouldn't want to see what would have happened.

[Hitcher]

Jesus wept. This is one of the reasons why Mrs H and I rarely do group rides. They usually end in tears.

And while it may well be the inexperienced riders who end up offing themselves and getting hurt (or worse), the experienced riders in the group need to take a good hard look at themselves and their behaviours as well.

Group rides are intimidating. Valentino Rossi and co generally take off into the distance, shiftlights flashing as they go. The 250RR gang generally gives pursuit. The old farts and other blouses bring up the rear, to be sniffed at when they arrive at rendezvous points a few minutes after everybody else. Some experienced riders like flouncing their "skills" at the less able. These "skills" occassionally feature wheelies and stoppies, overtaking moves that are entirely sub-optimal, and flagrant and reckless disregard for road conditions and the mental well-being of other road users.

It's all very well to say "ride at your own pace", but that's not the expectation on some group rides.

We all need to get our collective shit together here. Our first objective must be to get to wherever we're going alive and unscathed. Our second-most important objective should be to enjoy the ride. Peer pressure and generally irresponsible behaviour will see more of our number dead or maimed. The effect that this has on family, loved ones and fellow bikers who give a shit is devastating.

Think about it. Please.

[Hitcher]

I don't want get involved with what is going on in this thread.

1) You can't hold the organiser responsible. Organisers have no control over the riders actions.

2) The thread stated that some riders don't get to ride very often and they will be riding fast. It was stated. If others chose to come, they know what they are getting themselves in to.

3) All are welcome for the ride. That means anybody can turn up (even newbies) but at the end of the day, everybody has to look after themselves.

4) everyone is entitled to ride at the pace they choose, after all, it is their life that they are putting at risk. If you don't feel comfortable, slow down.

All I am going to say is, you all have to watch your own riding out there. At the end of the day, it is the individual rider that has to take responsibility for himself / herself.

Just remember that if you bin, it is YOU that is going to hurt... not somebody else.

Newbies, if there was another car heading towards you when you crossed that centre line, I wouldn't want to see what would have happened.
I entirely disagree with nearly every point you make. Please read my earlier post.

[SlashWylde]

aww... FFS MR, i wasn't having a go at you personally... grow up you silly cunt!
Down here a guy got buried... why? coz he was tryin to keep up... get off your ego and stop thinking you're a fucking legend before you end up as a statistic as well... you are human.. you are the one I picked because YOU admitted stupid passing prtactices. YOU might do it on a track... keep it there... not everyone knows how to react whilst being passed.... keep it off the road and grow up you stupid cunt!!!

Mate, you're out of line. That kind of talk isn't called for.

[FROSTY]

MR and Blakamin--I concider both of you guys to be good freinds so both of ya just cool off Please.
MR --I have watched your riding both on and off the track You don't need me to tell you Youre a fucken good rider. Im comfortable riding with you at your pace.
The problem as I see it is that Whilst you are well inside your comfort zone passing less experienced guys and gals THEY AINT.
I know what kinda guy you are and that you'd feel like shit if someone had an accident because they freaked out by being passed (in their mind) too close by you.
I'd suggest its time to review not so much how we ride but when we ride hard.
As I said MR --any time ,any day Ill ride with you Lets just temper the more exuberant riding when its a general ride.

[Madmax]

mabey we should take the new guys out to kawakawa bay
see who is up to going through the tight bits ahead of time and do the loop.
just a thought

:msn-wink:

[Hitcher]

mabey we should take the new guys out to kawakawa bay
see who is up to going through the tight bits ahead of time and do the loop.
just a thought
You just don't get it, do you?

[sedge]

Man I hate this crap... It comes down to maturity... The young bloods must prove themselves by running with the men to become accepted in to the tribe.

Stupid human nature... You wont ever change it.

Couple of things I would like everybody to say to themselves whilst riding;

1. My bike and riding ability are not my penis, I do not need to compare the length with others.

2. My most important responsibility is to come home to my family in one piece.

Sedge.

[NC]

Man I hate this crap... It comes down to maturity... .

Maybe it's time to talk to a mate of yours about maturity. Cause he doesn't listen to me. :no:

[Devil]

Looks like it was a good move heading off and doing SH16 by myself.

Some of the comments here really make me glad I didn't get my bike licence till I was in my 20's.

For those here who are less experienced, (the word noob seems to be being used a little too derogatory at the moment), the key to road riding, whether alone or in a group is self control. No road is unsuitable for anyone, the longer you spend around kb the more you'll be able to pick the tone of the ride by checking out who's going on it. This is exactly how I choose what rides I parttake in. I believe for this reason it is why I have never been on a ride where there has been an accident!
The comment about doing a road by yourself is a good one. In the group situation, even if you are aware of it or not, you'll quite often be travelling faster than if you were by yourself. More time on the road will give you the skills to realise this and make the appropriate corrective actions before things turn pear shaped.

I do worry about those who learn to ride before, or after little time on the road (with a car for example) because the above sort of senses just haven't developed. Common sense goes a long way when you're on two wheels.

For the inexperienced riders, your task for the next few months is to learn to ride smoothly. Keep your brain on while you're riding, even if its on the motorway, around suburban streets or out on the open road, make an effort to be smooth in all the tasks that you have to perform on the bike. Lane changes, starting, stopping, choosing the line you want for a particular corner. Nothing should ever have to be rushed.

Ride safe people.

Mr Devil.

[crashe]

The problem as I see it is that Whilst you are well inside your comfort zone passing less experienced guys and gals THEY AINT.
I know what kinda guy you are and that you'd feel like shit if someone had an accident because they freaked out by being passed (in their mind) too close by you. I'd suggest its time to review not so much how we ride but when we ride hard.

Frosty - I agree with you about the faster riders zapping past the slow riders at great speed. As a slower rider, there have been times when a fast rider zooms past me.... I havent seen them come up from behind me at all and all of a sudden WHIZZZZZZZ they fly past.... Now that can scare the shits out of a slower rider. It can cause the slower rider to wobble a bit.

So if the faster riders want to fly past the slower riders, allow the slower rider to know they are coming up.

Faster riders - Think back to when you first got on a bike and you were slow and how you felt when a faster rider whizzzzzzed past you at great speed.

But can we all take a few deep breaths and chill out... I think everyone has learnt from yesterday's ride.

When I am able to, I want to be back out there riding with you all again.
Ride safe and keep on smiling.

[thehollowmen]

I don't think we should be encouraging the young ones to be riding above and beyond their abilities, especially when they're not on the track.

Cameras are a bad idea on the road, you aren't concentrating on the road and do stupid things. Even people not on the road do stupid things with cameras, hae you seen all those webcam photos of people infrount of their computer alone late at night?

Please people, take care. Learn from what you've done here and try and organise a track day for the cameras and silly behavour.

[BigB]

I give up

Having been a long time member, I've been on lots of rides. I don't post much but this just gives me the shits.

Every time someone get's on a bike, they alone are reasponsible for there actions. No one made them go on the ride, we must take responsablity for our own actions not blame others.

I for one had a great day, yes I went fast, yes I had moments but the only one I have to look to is myself.

Big ups to motor racer for a great day out.

cheers

[Zed]

Listen, this thread is supposed to be for "Pics and Videos". So can the rider who yesterday photographed the magnificent line-up of 40 bikes on the side of the road at Ngaruawahia please upload them here immediately! Pretty please. :D

[Marknz]

we have a lot of people in this forum who don't want to learn from the experiences of others.

Just because you've raced on the track, in what ever class you like, doesn't make you experienced on the road. I'm lucky enough to have raced (buckets and forgotten era) and done ride days with supersport and superbikes on some of the best race tracks in the world, but all the guys in Wellington that have ridden with me know that I don't ride on the road anything like I do on the track. Nine times out of 10 I will be the last guy to the destination... but I always get there.

Noobs, find out who the experienced riders are in your area, and ride with them for a while. Don't go riding with racers who treat the road like the track.

And don't stop riding on roads like 22 because it might be too difficult. Just ride them at the right pace and you will learn heaps. The tight and twisty roads are the best ones to learn on.

Getting your knee down on the road is bullshit. If you do that, you're riding too hard for the environment, simple as that.

Likewise if you start scraping the pegs... it usually means you're about to crash.

If you're going to organise rides, do so bearing in mind the standards and experience of the various members, and plan accordingly.

Hey MR, I've met you before and I'll probably see you at Manfield this weekend, so you should know that what I have to say now is not meant with any ill intent... there is no need at all to be cutting up junior riders with riding that you feel is calculated and within your own limits. The road is public and it's not all about your own percieved limits, it's about those road users around you and the limits that are set for them. And did I read somewhere that your bike has no speedo? Why?

Just some random thoughts for you all. Ride on and chill out.

[Madmax]

You just don't get it, do you?
get what?? if i wanted to put up with this shit, i would have i am just plane pissed off now,f**k i am not even going to reply
why bother to put up with this shit see you later

[Magua]

Say, that's a nice bike.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10305

[Quasievil]

it seems things have heated up a bit on this thread, I certainly have done my share of throwing some gas on the fire, I want to say a couple of things

1/ Please please do not give MR a hard time about this if anything you should all be showing him appreciation for the organising of the event, It would not be the site it is if nobody went to the trouble of organising events would it ?

A couple of you on here are getting fired up, I know both of you and I will say your both good guys and I consider myself your mate, believe me when I say you would like each other, if you actually met, bear that in mind I know its easy to sling a bit of abuse on here (I did last night) whats important is how you sought it out.

2/ I think the emotion shown on here in the last few weeks with Flyins death and the bins yesterday is testimony to the absolute fact that we as Kiwibikers care about the safety of its members, Im not in here ready to start passing around hankies, but please consider the emotion is comes from the caring we as a group have about other bikers.
The spirit of us KBrs is remarkable and bloody heart warming (for me anyway)
in this site any issue that you as an individual might have can be soughted on this site, Ive seen issues raised from relationship problems to computer problems to of course bike problems, you put up these threads because you know you KBrs mates care and will help you out, thats the spirit of Kbrs lets keep it alive
For me I slung some shit and I have apologized for the name calling to Rickstar and have asked him respectfully if I can adopt him as a newbie and take him on some rides one on one style to help him in his riding development
I didnt do this for any other reason than, I want to help in the spirit of KB.

I want to ask a few of you to settle down and offer a few PMs with a couple of apologies to sought it out. Some of you are threatening to leave etc, thats not a good result, you have knowledge and skills therefore you have the ability to turn the negative events of the last few weeks into a big positive
ADOPT A NEWBIE !!
so there is the challenge !!

common guys lets get our shit together and move on okay

Quasi

[sAsLEX]

yes keep riding 22 just keep an eye on the road, I lost my WOF down there somewhere so you might just spot it!

[Jeremy]

Say, that's a nice bike.


Thanks, it's great for getting into Uni but I regret to say not so flash for SH22. After every curve you have to drop to 4th and hope to get back up to 100 (which can take a while especially if it's uphill) swap to 5th then get ready to take another turn at 70 (*cough* that I shouldn't as the signs usually said either 30 or 45 */cough*) and repeat. Not a hope of getting a speeding ticket on it except in the temporary speed zones. Well not unless I take it past the redline but I'd prefer not to do that. Hence the GSXR-250 fund, as there's no way I can keep up otherwise at the next group ride I attend.

[Sutage]

yeh so where are some pictures

i didnt get to go but wanna see 40 bikes :D

quit the mud slinging and just post some damn pictures

[Fart]

Come on people, lets have a group hug. :grouphug: :drinknsin

Lets have a piss up night where we get together at a bar. Then the only accident that can happen is a few people throwing up in the toilets. :Punk: :drinknsin

[Fart]

Ok, I have a solution for the new riders that wants to come on the next group ride.

All new riders with little to no experience must use this bike especially built by KB management for all group rides.

http://www.tricks4u.com/images/FUNNY/bike.jpg :msn-wink:

[Aitch]

I reccomend Doc Beggs! I gots 5 spare beds (6 if 2 don't mind sleeping together....7 if one wants to sleep with me! )

[Aitch]

I reccomend Doc Beggs! I gots 5 spare beds (6 if 2 don't mind sleeping together....7 if one wants to sleep with me! )
One FEMALE!

[justsomeguy]

Come on people, lets have a group hug. :grouphug: :drinknsin

Lets have a piss up night where we get together at a bar. Then the only accident that can happen is a few people throwing up in the toilets. :Punk: :drinknsin

There's a dinner next week out west. Thursday the 19th. Check the threads.

You'll need to be on your best behaviour though.

[StoneChucker]

Did I read correctly that there were 6 crashes? The 3 MR told us about, and 3 more he said he would let others explain? 6?

I have alot to say on this, but not sure if the effort is worth it. Besides, That 70's show is on

[Fart]

You'll need to be on your best behaviour though.

Why, is the Queen turning for dinner?

[Joni]

Why, is the Queen turning for dinner?

:niceone:
Theres a pub across the road for anyone who wants to have a :apint: or two...

[MadDuck]

ADOPT A NEWBIE !!
so there is the challenge !!

Quasi

I am kinda not a new rider and know my limits...someone can adopt me and my SV I would be more than happy :ride:

I dont answer back (much) and will do as i am told (within reason)

[Madmax]

I am kinda not a new rider and know my limits...someone can adopt me and my SV I would be more than happy :ride:

I dont answer back (much) and will do as i am told (within reason)
might be a good idear as i have had some good looks,one of the new
guys lines that i have had a go wi?h off my mates

[Fart]

:niceone:
Theres a pub across the road for anyone who wants to have a :apint: or two...

Good idea. Enough of this group agro and drink up. :drinknsin :niceone:

[Ixion]

Thanks, it's great for getting into Uni but I regret to say not so flash for SH22. After every curve you have to drop to 4th and hope to get back up to 100 (which can take a while especially if it's uphill) swap to 5th then get ready to take another turn at 70 (*cough* that I shouldn't as the signs usually said either 30 or 45 */cough*) and repeat. ..

Hm. Word to the wise. On a 250 (prolly any bike but certainly a small one) you should be changing down BEFORE the curve. As you approach the curve change down to whatever gear will keep you in the upper third of your rev zone (on SH22 on a 250 usually 3rd or 4th, sometimes second). Apply power hard as you clear the curve apex and change UP after the curve. You should never need to change down after a curve - only exception is, obviously, if you're going to stop, or if the curve is followed closely by a second, tighter cureve, or, maybe, is very steep uphill and needs second or first. (in my humble opinion, but I'm quite relaxed if one of the sports bike guys wants to set me straight and tell me I'm quite wrong this is for nana riding , not necessarily the fastest way through the corner).

Coming out of the curve on the overrun then trying to change down after curve exit will mean you are constantly trying to get back to speed then washing it off again for the next curve.

[StoneChucker]

Since the TV I was watching is finished, here's my $9.76

I know Blakamin and MR from meeting them in person. Both are nice guys, and both have alot to offer in terms of experience and character. I can understand where Blakamin is coming from. Now, DON'T get the wrong idea from the next bit... I can see how people have the impression MR and TS treat the road like the track, and worse. To be honest, I got that impression at FIRST (ages ago). After meeting TS, and specifically MR I firmly believe that they are not what some think they are. Look Chris (TS), I have to be honest, up until recently I still thought you rode a little fast on the road, BUT this is based on posts you write, posts people write about you and things people talk about. So as you can see there is alot of room for assumptions, which lead to fuck ups. Now, I'm happy to ride with you as I firmly believe that your riding style has changed somewhat (as you said to me in your xmas thread).

Organised rides are a great way to meet people and increase your riding abilites. I think that the onus is mostly on the individual rider to keep themselves safe. If someone is riding solo on the road and a boyracer pulls up next to you at the lights, YOU have to make a decision whether to race him or not. MATURITY in MY opinion is the issue here. Someone said earlier that they were glad they waited till their 20's to get a bike licence, and I'm 100% in agreement with them. I think I was almost 22 when I got my learners, and 23 when I got my full (and my current bike). I think I would have been alot more reckless had I started at 16!

In saying this, organising a big ride is a huge undertaking. I for one appreciate the effort made by MR, and HOPE TO HELL that he isn't put off, and the same goes for TS. Any assistance you guys give to newer riders is appreciated. I'm not sure if I agree with never having another "ride for all" again. That would be a great pity, as has been said it's a great social occasion and skills devellopment opertunity. I think the organiser needs to be VERY sincere and vocal about the riding style. The rides I go on often have HUGE differences in rider ability. The fast guys take off into the distance, medium paced riders cruise along happily and the newer riders ride at a pace that suits them. They also have someone riding with them who is more experienced. This isn't hard to achieve, it takes but a little organisation and some maturity. There is NO problem of someone being lost, as EVERYONE knows that the front and middle guys will be waiting at the next turn off the road they were on. It gives them some time to talk shit, which as we all know everyone loves to do :yes: This gives the newer riders the confidence that they can take their time, and not be lost or left behind.

There are some good guys/gals on here who I've noticed don't ride in the KB groups anymore, which is such a pity.

Going wide on a corner? Shit happens, the guys just so happened to have a camera with him. I've done it once or twice, and learnt from it (hasn't happend for ages now). I didn't read anything that made me think he thought it was funny. Infact, having the "badcorner.avi" posted is a good thing imho. People can learn from it, and I'm pretty sure he will endeavour to not do it again. The "crash.avi" looks a little alarming/disorganised but inexperience always does. This was the route that he instictively took at the time. While I (and most) think it was the wrong choice, his experience and the circumstances chose it. I'm sure he will have looked at the video, thought about it and realised what went wrong, and will learn from it in the future.

Rickster, only a couple of people on here had a go at you, and that in part may have been in light of recent events. Please don't be put off by this, it was very unfortunate timing. I thank you for posting what many people might just keep quiet. I bet atleast one person learnt from your video!

Above all, we need to remember how easy it is to "have a go" at someone on here. It's sometimes a little impersonal, so you don't realise how you make other people feel. I've never met someone on KB who I don't like, and I keep that in mind while posting. I've said it many times, KB is a great community, offering skills, experience and most importantly friendship and support. Lets not loose sight of that, and jeapordise a great thing.

So the moral of my story is, maturity I think that, or the lack of can be blamed for alot of the problems we face. With that, we can continue to gain experience.

[Jeremy]

By the way who passed me and then did a wheelie up the hill?

[StoneChucker]

By the way who passed me and then did a wheelie up the hill?
When? On the SH22 ride?

[Jeremy]

When? On the SH22 ride?

Yes, after the second stop. There was a long straight for about 300m or so after a right hand turn.

[Ixion]

Flipping heck ! I spend one day offline, caging, and World War VII breaks out. And I miss it.

I think that I was the first to have a little hissy this morning about the crashs , but come on guys. Don't lets get the whole thing out of proportion. Yes , it is important that the new riders learn to cool it a bit (I'm avoiding "slow down" because speed's not the whole story and although "slow down" is a good shorthand, it can be misinterpreted).

Guys (novice ones), that's not because we want to diss you or shit on you, it's because we care and we want to keep you around. We lost one of our family the other week and don't want to lose another. But in no way is that saying that you shouldn't go on rides, or that you should leave the group. And for what it's worth I don't think that SH22 (or any road) is "unsuitable" for new riders. You just have to be willing to take things slow and careful. Then as you get some experience you take them a bit faster (or, like, me, you decide to be a permanent nana). Please don't anyone go leaving the group or being put off riding anywahere - just take it easy, OK.

Guys (experienced fast riders), please, loosen up. Yes , I personally do think that the experienced guys need to take some responsibility for helping new chums . But from the reports, that IS what happened. And this wasn't a training ride - all the fast riders along were there because they wanted to have a bit of fun. That means they will be riding a shit load faster than the beginners (or nanas like me). So, that's part of the deal. If Mr Motoracer goes past someone a bit fast, well, I'll warrant that before long boi racer will go past even faster. There's only ever one guy riding the bike, and he's the one making the calls. I suspect the crashs would have occurred even if none of the fast guys had been there

Having so many crashs happen is not good. It's bloody scarey, and we ALL need try to make sure that there are no more. But life's life, and sometimes shit happens. (FWIW, I don't class Mr danb's incident as a crash. Dropping the bike on the gravel when stopping happens to the best , it's like dropping it off the centre stand.)

The guys that crashed didn't do it on purpose to piss people off. They made mistakes, like we all did when starting off (or, in my case still do ).

In this case the biker gods were kindly and nobody got hurt. Let's just sacrifice an old inner tube and a burnt exhaust valve to the biker gods, and move on.

Please, nobody quitting, walking away from the site.

But , new riders, PLEASE do take care. Taking a corner at 20kph is perfectly acceptable (hell, I do it all the time) We just don't want you getting hurt.

[Quick, another container load of oil, there's still a heap of troubled waters out there I suspect]

[Ixion]

Since the TV I was watching is finished, here's my $9.76
..

Hell's bells. Two cents to $9.76. That's inflation for you. (as a matter of interest Mr Stonechucker, why the hell such an odd amount?)

[TLDV8]

I don't post much on this site but will say this..after reading this thread i remember why i ride alone mostly these day's (the exception being riding with people i trust).... there is a lot of talk about so called newbies trying to keep up with those in front,where from my experiance the pressure can be from behind,and have come across folk out on the open road who when you catch up to them then start to watch their mirrors instead of looking where they are going,which is why i then pass them in a sensible and considerate way as to not spook them... there is a major difference between a fast rider and a experianced fast rider in a group situation,smoothness and that word again consideration being the key (22 is a road where smooth is paramount)....(fwiwimho)..

[StoneChucker]

Hell's bells. Two cents to $9.76. That's inflation for you. (as a matter of interest Mr Stonechucker, why the hell such an odd amount?)
Well, you said it... inflation. 2c has been around for way too long :killingme And not to mention, I way over value my opinion :whistle: j/k

Most times instead of the 2c I put a random amount. I'll make my election promise to never reach or go over $10.00. :Punk:
*EDIT* And NOW I must go to bed. Later all!

[Motu]

Wow,bit of noise going on here eh? But my name hasn't been mentioned yet so it's all sweet as far as I'm concerned.

I don't ride in groups much,and saturday was a good lesson for me stay away from them.I'm not fast enough (well,it's all the bikes fault,I'm probably the fastest rider of them all,but I ride a slow bike on purpose) to mix it with the big guys,and just rode at my own pace by myself at the back.I ran into some bikes at some stages,but after a couple of passes I just pulled over and let them go,then started again a bit later,doing this kept me out of most everyones way most of the time.I did push my way though a group of bikes - sorry 'bout that,a gutless bike on knobs needs a different approach to passing,and I plowed through everyone when they were going slow for roadworks too...sorry,for me roadworks means go fast,not go slow.

I heard the bike go down in gravel,not nice for him,but these things happen,even to superstars like myself.The worse thing about it is that for a gentle learning episode about gravel over seal and how to brake - on a modern bike it becomes so bloody expensive.After we left that rest stop I saw a bike in a ditch,I stopped to see how they were,but it looked like they had it under control,so I buggered off before they asked for assistance.That's the bins.

At the rest stop at the SH22 turn off I waited until everyone left....along time it was too - if you slower riders don't want the other guys to wait too long how about you move out smartly instead of chin wagging with your helmets off? Then I went down SH22 to Te Uku and on to Raglan for some lunch,coming back onto SH22 I then went up Ruakiwi Rd down to 22 at Dunmore,then onto Huntly via Pukemiro.Lower SH22 is nearly all sealed now,a couple of bits done since I last rode it,another being readied for seal,which leaves only one small bit about 1/2km long.Pretty soon someone will ''discover'' a new way to Raglan and rave about how fantastic this ''new'' road is - sorry,it's always been there.I saw some bikes at Te Uku coming back,sports bikes and a red Tiger,on the road I passed a yellow GS 1150 on a one way bridge (we don't give way,2 bikes can fit eh?) and a blue sports bike coming the other way.

I didn't do much at Huntly,except get depressed with how much work needs to be done in not much time - I think I spent most of my time sitting on the back steps with next doors kitten (he has an endless capacity to give and recieve love,much appreciated) watching the black hen who also seems to have adopted our place.

I came back the same way,via Pukemiro,and came up 22 again - what a dull dismal day,the cat's eyes were reflecting my headlight it was so dull (I left at 4.00pm) Hardly a car,and of course no bikes on the road.At Tuakau it started to spit,and on the uphill right hander into Tuakau I was slipping and slidding all over...shit,better be careful eh? On the otherside of Tuakau I was sliding on the corners,and even had wheelspin coming out in a straight line - I waved the Pajero behind past,I had to get to grips with the slippery road.

377kms for my SH22 ride - all on one tap,I still haven't had to go onto reserve with the Acerbis tank.I enjoyed my weekend ride,I'm not getting much riding done this year it seems.

[Motoracer]

Hey MR, I've met you before and I'll probably see you at Manfield this weekend, so you should know that what I have to say now is not meant with any ill intent... there is no need at all to be cutting up junior riders with riding that you feel is calculated and within your own limits. The road is public and it's not all about your own percieved limits, it's about those road users around you and the limits that are set for them. And did I read somewhere that your bike has no speedo? Why?

Just some random thoughts for you all. Ride on and chill out.

Yep, I've met you and you are a pretty cool dude from what I gathered but here's my say as well (not specificly directed at you Mark):

Why isn't anyone reading my write up????? I know I was drunk when I wrote it but I think it's worth a read, specially if you want to know what happened!!!!!

I had said in the write up that AFTER leaving the n00bs in capable hands I passed EVERYONE ELSE, which included the faster and VERY experienced riders!!! What kind of an idiot does everyone think I am? I was as gentle and as careful I could be around the n00bs to make sure they were fully comfertable and no I am not trying to make it sound pretty right now just cause it is in my defence.

Anyway, I had already apologised for making the passing manuvours which I had already said was not the best thing to do! But just for the coment of Blakamin and others of me passing n00bs, please read my write up first! I was only passing the experienced fast riders at speed!!! These are people who have been to the track etc etc. YET still I thought it was wrong to do so myself and still I apologised for it!! I don't think many would have bothered to apologise openly in public just for something minor like this but I did and got shot for it.

No point in getting knee down or scraping pegs? I wish I could have fun like some of you while traveling at a slower pace but I can't. I am not an exception either cause there are quite a few of us who feel this way. If I wasn't allowed to get my knee down or scrape the pegs etc. I'd rather have my road licence taken away and cut up in half cause I reckon personally, if I am just riding at a slower pace than what I find enjoyable, it would just be a waste of fuel and time quite frankly. However we are not just some loons. Heck I am so fuken poor that I can barely afford the daily nessesities. But I still have big dreams that I want to reach out to so I CAN NOT afford to crash anyway. I don't think many people who haven't seen me ride know how anal me and most of us who go fucken fast are about safety. What does everyone think? We are rich suacidal cunts who don't give a fuck and can afford to crash? I LOVE life and I am a poor fucker who CAN NOT afford to crash and I am the sort of person who wouldn't harm a fly either so there is no way in hell I'd do something to endanger other members of the public and even more so my mates!! Everyone is different and from what I have seen in the real world I have tired my very best to be as "good" as I can be for the good of everyone else, which is far better than a lot of other cases I have seen. However some of you seem to have unrealistic guidlines based upon what YOU think is how it should be done. I am really sorry but I have my limits too as to how "good" I can be.

Anyway, the above message is only for people who haven't seen me ride. The rest of you who have seen me ride, already know the truth so there's no need for any explanations for you guys/gals.

[Motoracer]

Anyway, the past is past and please except my humble appologies to anyone I have offended.

All of us have definetly learnt a lot from our experience from yesterday.

I don't have any of you in my bad books and I hope I am not in anyone's bad books either. If I am, then tough shit. I have tried my best and that's all I can do.

Peace out, ride safe and have a good night everyone.

P.S. A million thanks to the guys who PMed me and supported me in the threads. Your vote of confidence means a lot to me!

[Ms Piggy]

Jesus wept. This is one of the reasons why Mrs H and I rarely do group rides. They usually end in tears.

And while it may well be the inexperienced riders who end up offing themselves and getting hurt (or worse), the experienced riders in the group need to take a good hard look at themselves and their behaviours as well.

Group rides are intimidating. Valentino Rossi and co generally take off into the distance, shiftlights flashing as they go. The 250RR gang generally gives pursuit. The old farts and other blouses bring up the rear, to be sniffed at when they arrive at rendezvous points a few minutes after everybody else. Some experienced riders like flouncing their "skills" at the less able. These "skills" occassionally feature wheelies and stoppies, overtaking moves that are entirely sub-optimal, and flagrant and reckless disregard for road conditions and the mental well-being of other road users.

It's all very well to say "ride at your own pace", but that's not the expectation on some group rides.

We all need to get our collective shit together here. Our first objective must be to get to wherever we're going alive and unscathed. Our second-most important objective should be to enjoy the ride. Peer pressure and generally irresponsible behaviour will see more of our number dead or maimed. The effect that this has on family, loved ones and fellow bikers who give a shit is devastating.

Think about it. Please.

I believe we all should be listening to this chap. :yes:

[Ms Piggy]

we have a lot of people in this forum who don't want to learn from the experiences of others.

Just because you've raced on the track, in what ever class you like, doesn't make you experienced on the road. I'm lucky enough to have raced (buckets and forgotten era) and done ride days with supersport and superbikes on some of the best race tracks in the world, but all the guys in Wellington that have ridden with me know that I don't ride on the road anything like I do on the track. Nine times out of 10 I will be the last guy to the destination... but I always get there.

Noobs, find out who the experienced riders are in your area, and ride with them for a while. Don't go riding with racers who treat the road like the track.

And don't stop riding on roads like 22 because it might be too difficult. Just ride them at the right pace and you will learn heaps. The tight and twisty roads are the best ones to learn on.

Getting your knee down on the road is bullshit. If you do that, you're riding too hard for the environment, simple as that.

Likewise if you start scraping the pegs... it usually means you're about to crash.

If you're going to organise rides, do so bearing in mind the standards and experience of the various members, and plan accordingly.

Hey MR, I've met you before and I'll probably see you at Manfield this weekend, so you should know that what I have to say now is not meant with any ill intent... there is no need at all to be cutting up junior riders with riding that you feel is calculated and within your own limits. The road is public and it's not all about your own percieved limits, it's about those road users around you and the limits that are set for them. And did I read somewhere that your bike has no speedo? Why?

Just some random thoughts for you all. Ride on and chill out.

And this one too. :yes:

[FROSTY]

Anyway, the past is past and please except my humble appologies to anyone I have offended.

All of us have definetly learnt a lot from our experience from yesterday.

I don't have any of you in my bad books and I hope I am not in anyone's bad books either. If I am, then tough shit. I have tried my best and that's all I can do.

Peace out, ride safe and have a good night everyone.

P.S. A million thanks to the guys who PMed me and supported me in the threads. Your vote of confidence means a lot to me!
MR -_you and I know the old phrase -the bullshit stops when the flag drops
I've ridden with you so I am speaking from experience.
Your overtaking in my experience to ME is just fine -well inside my comfort zone. To some less experienced riders its pretty scarey.
I've seen the lil wobble as ya zoom past them.
They do the matcho bullshit but for that little window of time they were not under control of their bikes.
Again I emphasise--I have NO issue with how you ride with me (or was that pst me lol) -just maybee give the new guys a bit more room /warning.

[Sheep Dags]

hahahaha mella yella fella that hilarious!

[DEATH_INC.]

Shit,take a fucken chill pill you guys!
All these fuckups/crashes go on all the time,by riders of all levels of experience.
Falling off in the gravel is nothing,it can happen to anyone.
Running wide on corners?Who here hasn't done it?I'll be the first to call you a fucken liar!Bikes do it,cages do it,trucks do it.Occasionally people die,sad,but it happens,not on purpose,but that's why its called an accident!
The guy who took to the gravel/grass to avoid a head-on, good riding to avoid a tricky situation.Again EVERYONE has the odd bit of brain fade and does something not entirely smart, and this guy survived it.
The crash I attended was on a corner that caught me out a few times till I'd done 22 a few times,it's tricky and I can't say I was surprised where I was picking them up from.

You can all fuck off and leave MR alone too,he does a great job organising these things and getting everyone together for a ride.The pace he rides at(and ts too)he's out of sight after 2 corners so no-one's following his lines or speed.....

Cut all the bitching out,we come here to enjoy the company of our fellow bikers.Some made mistakes,they hopefully learnt from this so lets give it a rest.

I'll suggest at this point that someone starts a post with some CONSTRUCTIVE riding tips for noobs,not how to go fast,but safety tips and get one of the mods to sticky it.

Nuff said.

[bugjuice]

I really think this has all gone a bit out of proportion now, and on for a bit long..
no one remember the ride MR organised without a single hitch down the same road, and everyone who went, came back?
the n00b ride. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=8087)
Everyone is repsonsible for the way they ride. They need to ride in their zone, they need to learn this. They is you. Not a 'n00b', not the guy who's been riding for 20 years, but everyone, including me. You learn it quick, or bad things happen. We've established this, I think we all need to sit back now things have been said, and let it lie. Roads are roads. Every road has corners in it, you need to learn to take corners, so it doesn't matter the name of the road. It's a road. The corners that exist on the 22 exist everywhere else you ride, they aren't just special to the 22. It's just the 22 has the most corners for it's length. Still just a road, still just corners. Bet most of you at work today rode around a few corners, ay..??

[TonyB]

Wow.
Haven’t seen the vids, as I can’t be bothered downloading the codecs, but this has been quite a read. As a southerner who has never ridden or driven 22 and never ridden with or even met any of you, I’m not qualified to comment.

BUT, it sounds like the crashes were avoidable, so maybe we need to have a riding tips page. Not a forum, but a tips page vetted and approved by skilled and experienced riders. I’ve been riding for 15 years, but I’m still learning and improving- sometimes I even get worse- and I fully expect to continue learning until I stop riding. About six months ago someone started something similar, but the final result was never posted in an easily accessable and obvious spot. We could pick the best tips from sources like Twist of The Wrist etc and pool them all together in one spot. Nothing too technical- just the basics. What do you all think?

Probably the single most useful thing I have yet read is about reading the Vanishing Point. It sounds to me as though some of the crashes occurred because people didn’t know about this simple technique for ‘reading’ a corner…

[Krayy]

Listen, this thread is supposed to be for "Pics and Videos". So can the rider who yesterday photographed the magnificent line-up of 40 bikes on the side of the road at Ngaruawahia please upload them here immediately! Pretty please. :D
Ask and ye shall recieve (yet another Saturday night without access to a computer and some quality time spent with the kids on Sunday meant no time to upload). Now THIS is what going on a ride is all about. Who cares if you had to wait for 5 mins for some slower riders to catch up!! This line up of bikes is magnificent IMHO.

(Damn, you can only upload max size 1024x1024, so I've had to split this panorama into 3)

[Madguitarist!]

..... calling to Rickstar and have asked him respectfully if I can adopt him as a newbie and take him on some rides one on one style to help him in his riding development.......

..... to turn the negative events of the last few weeks into a big positive
ADOPT A NEWBIE !!
so there is the challenge !!

common guys lets get our shit together and move on okay

Quasi

Like that idea! :niceone:

hey... you wanna adopt me too?? :whistle:

[Krayy]

...anyways, even though the day didnt go as smooth as i wanted, i had a great time meeting new people and learning new skills (believe me i did). Thanks Krayy for all the tips u gave me and to Jeremy, DanB, and John... we had fun didnt we? :) i'll see u guys when i see ya.

goodbye
You're welcome dude. I didn't mind hanging back for you guys. Gave me a chance to look at the scenery and concentrate on my lines as well as yours. For mine, I didn't think you did too bad, particularly after we stopped at that intersection before Dan had his off and went through some tips. You were keeping up a good pace after that bit until your off and for that, I reckon you're on your way. Just do what you did and keep your own pace mate.

Now, on the not too serious department, heres a couple of Kodak moments for you and Dan.

[bugjuice]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?

[Krayy]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?
Dunno, but he's f*ckin' quick ain't he? :niceone:

(Note to self: Pan left to right, not right to left in future)

[Krayy]

Okay all, here's a few more from the ride. Thoughts that come from these:

"Hmm, the SV650S isn't a bad looking bike...put it on the wishlist"
"Who's 2 Smaoker doing the 'wanker' gesture to?"
"Wonder who took out the trashcan at the Autobahn?"
"Playing chicken are we?"
"MLCrisis shares a joke while some peoples check out Pyros bike-cam"
"A gaggle of bikers gather at Tuakau"

[bugjuice]

Dunno, but he's f*ckin' quick ain't he? :niceone:

(Note to self: Pan left to right, not right to left in future)
it's ok, I did the same thing on a pano shot (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6927) I took.. Got Eric twice. And I went from left to right.. just have to PS them out :niceone:
well dun anyhoo :msn-wink:

[sAsLEX]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?

Thats me!!! wanted to get out infront for a change!

[Krayy]

...
some of you might know, the camera mount failed me today and shook like crazy the whole trip. Its hardly watchable...

Dude, I love these vids. Did you by any chance get one of me when I passed you, just after the major roadworks we stopped at just before the Waingaro (sp?) stop? I went past then into a long left hander and wanted to see if it looks as good as it felt.

Ta

[Zed]

(yet another Saturday night without access to a computer and some quality time spent with the kids on Sunday meant no time to upload). That's an acceptable excuse! :D

Tks for the good pics Krayy! :Punk:

[Paul in NZ]

Well this is a fine how to do…

Sadly, the good points made by both sides are lost in a haze of emotion…. Me included and really, all this is doing is evoking a knee jerk reaction in me that is part to do with what’s happened recently and more to do with what I have learnt over the years… So I may as well throw another bucket of av gas on the fire??

Group rides? Most KB group rides are not group rides at all. They are sprints between 2 places by like minded people of various abilities and devil take the hindmost… Proper group rides mean riding together as a group and to achieve that you have to have some discipline and structure.

I have no idea on the stats but my observation over the years is that you are far more likely to see accidents in group rides that you are at any other time. I don’t care why or how but it’s just the way it is… Group riding is not only technically challenging it sets off the testicular juice in all of use (sometimes even the girls). What is more I’m just as big a tosser as the next guy when it comes to riding in a group and it all gets jiggy… So knowing that’s it is both difficult and you are likely to be tempted is no defense against the little red horned dude riding on your shoulder.

My opinion is this…… If you want to practice riding then do it on a private road, track or some other controlled environment. Unless you are prepared to go back and do the same corner time and time again the road is a waste of time as there are so many variables it is hard to just change one thing at a time.

Decide now what you want to do… Ride really fast for a few years and tell lots of stories about how hard you were or take a long term survival view and realize that this motorcycling thing is pretty cool and you would like to keep doing it the rest of your natural life….

If you want to ride as a group be VERY careful. A large group of bikes is a major hazard on the road. If you are not organized people will get hurt and the organizers could be held to account. (I’m serious about this)

When it comes down to it… Over the years I’ve seen them come and go. I’ve been abused as a ‘soft cock’ by the hard men who are now driving their wifes car and I’ve seen too many people get hurt and sometimes die from their stupid attitudes… Every time you crash… You run a serious risk of killing yourself… PERIOD… I’m not bloody kidding. I had a mate that fell off at a standstill and smacked his head on the kerb and died on the spot without a mark on him for gods sake. (he had a really nice helmet too) Accidents are uncontrolled events, have one and you are running a terrible risk no matter what you are wearing!

Your first, foremost and ONLY real responsibility to your mates is not to fall off. Second is to make sure you bike won’t fall apart, run out of gas and is in OK shape (tyres and stuff)! Once you can do all that reliably, then worry about chicken strips (lets rename these as common sense strips) and getting your bloody knee down…

We need to have a careful think about where all this goes…

[erik]

it's ok, I did the same thing on a pano shot (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6927) I took.. Got Eric twice. And I went from left to right.. just have to PS them out :niceone:
well dun anyhoo :msn-wink:

That's not me, it's Ranzer (Tom) my brother.

I think Krayy wins though, there's 5 shots of sAsLEX in that panorama. :laugh:

[bugjuice]

That's not me, it's Ranzer (Tom) my brother.

I think Krayy wins though, there's 5 shots of sAsLEX in that panorama. :laugh:
I thought that was you, in the blue/grey tshirt on the left of the pic..??
oh well.. :msn-wink:

[Krayy]

That's not me, it's Ranzer (Tom) my brother.

I think Krayy wins though, there's 5 shots of sAsLEX in that panorama. :laugh:
Like I said, he's damn quick.

[Krayy]

Just to bring a little reality to the discussion, heres MY reasons for riding to my ability and coming home in one piece...

Eldest is 2yrs 10months, and the youngest is 10months.

(NB: In the group, the middle 2 aren't mine

[James Deuce]

Back to riding by myself or with a couple of mates maximum I reckon.

[Motu]

Back in my day....(shakey voice) we would of been shadowed by the Cops on a ride like that...unlawful assembly and stuff,a few would be picked out for a bit of harrasment,the Cops were very aggro on big groups riding back then....

[Paul in NZ]

Back to riding by myself or with a couple of mates maximum I reckon.

Ha! You don't have any mates you dodgy bastard... (PT) :devil2: I only ride with you 'cos I'm the only other person in Wellington sader than you... :msn-wink:

Hey, but seriously.... refer to my other comments.... Group rides are group rides and by their nature you cannot ride fast in a group without tail end charlie having to ride at the speed of light to keep up. Group rides are about riding together (as a group)

If you want to go a bit faster... You simply must split into 2's and 3's etc with a ton of space between mini groups.

Group riding is dangerous and technically difficult. If you organise a group ride you need to think about that and allow for it. 40 plus bikes is bloody hard to manage on the road and you run the risk of causing a hazard to others and making a nuisence of your self.

Most rides in wellie are of a meet here and we will go there type which are not group rides at all...

Oh buggerit...

I aint got time for this.. I'm old and need sleep..

[Biff]

:ride: + :ride:
My kind of group ride.

During any kind of group ride, IMO, the only rider travelling at their own pace is the person leading the pack. Everyone one else compromises in some way or another.

[ManDownUnder]

Just to bring a little reality to the discussion, heres MY reasons for riding to my ability and coming home in one piece...

Eldest is 2yrs 10months, and the youngest is 10months.



Agreed 200% - thaey're VERY good reasons... I can relate
MDU

[Ixion]

Back in my day....(shakey voice) we would of been shadowed by the Cops on a ride like that...unlawful assembly and stuff,a few would be picked out for a bit of harrasment,the Cops were very aggro on big groups riding back then....

Ah that was your old friend Gideon Tait. More than half a dozen motorbikes in one spot, and every good burgess in the district rushed off to lock up his daughters (too late mate , heh heh, twasn't locking up they were looking for); and call out the police, navy, army, to run those "bikie gangs " out of town.

Perhaps unfortunately, the police and public don't fear bikers any more. Now they just think we're stupid and a nuisance.

[Ixion]

Back in my day....(shakey voice) we would of been shadowed by the Cops on a ride like that...unlawful assembly and stuff,a few would be picked out for a bit of harrasment,the Cops were very aggro on big groups riding back then....

Ah that was your old friend Gideon Tait. More than half a dozen motorbikes in one spot, and every good burgess in the district rushed off to lock up his daughters (too late mate , heh heh, twasn't locking up they were looking for); and call out the police, navy, army, to run those "bikie gangs " out of town.

Perhaps unfortunately, the police and public don't fear bikers any more. Now they just think we're stupid and a nuisance.

[Paul in NZ]

Ah that was your old friend Gideon Tait. More than half a dozen motorbikes in one spot, and every good burgess in the district rushed off to lock up his daughters (too late mate , heh heh, twasn't locking up they were looking for); and call out the police, navy, army, to run those "bikie gangs " out of town.

Perhaps unfortunately, the police and public don't fear bikers any more. Now they just think we're stupid and a nuisance.

Hell yes...

Fun times... But then again there really were some not very nice people on some of those bikes and the usually idiots trying to make mileage out of copying them..

Cheers

[mikey]

wont be going to your funeral ricksta

grow some nuts to, my granma leans her scooter more an then you

[Toddler]

Hey all!
I'm Paul, i was riding the cbr 250 rr and had the same 2 piece as mr.
I was involved in the later crash that also an r1 and vfr400.
I would like to thank death and draco for being so helpful and considerate.I wouldn't of had a clue on what i was supposed to do. They got my bike towed and are storing it for me. Draco also took the time to individually check us all over for any injuries and to make sure we were handling it all ok.
I ended up with a minor shoulder sprain from it which is healing fast (with the help of drugs).
I would like to thank every one for a good ride.
I have learn't a very valueable leason from the accident that sometimes people may take for granted. KEEP YOUR DISTANCE esspecially when going quick it's easily to get caught up in the moment. What happened was unfourtunate and could've been avoided :no:
nothing sader than seeing a totaled r1....will maybe your bike after a crash is.
I was glad i was with a group when it happened otherwise i would've been stuck.
So much for my first kb ride aye.
Don't worry, once my bike is all fixed i'll come back on another :yes:
I'll keep you all updated
cheers all

[mikey]

He called a KB ride, he said newbies are welcome, BUT they are required to do 100kmh due to the motorway speeds and open road riding.


im pretty sure its 70 on a learners mate



Jesus wept. Group rides are intimidating. Valentino Rossi and co generally take off into the distance, shiftlights flashing as they go. The 250RR gang generally gives pursuit. Think about it. Please.

fuck the group rides, ride by yourself!

its what im doing, safest way yet.

[Motoracer]

im pretty sure its 70 on a learners mate

TS was refering to this post of mine http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=236537&postcount=206 which was an advise to everyone who were interested to come on the ride, before we actually went on the ride.

[White trash]

Fuck, that's an entertaining ten pages of dribble.

What's hysterical, out of all that's been posted, is Buggy actually thought he was keeping up........ :D

[Motoracer]

What's hysterical, out of all that's been posted, is Buggy actually thought he was keeping up........ :D

What's this about, then?...

[dss3]

Fuck, that's an entertaining ten pages of dribble.

What's hysterical, out of all that's been posted, is Buggy actually thought he was keeping up........ :D

And almost as funny is that I got a mention as a "big boy" with the trashman :killingme Wahooo :niceone: ... pity it cost me a camshaft trying to keep up while im sure you were holding back!

[White trash]

....deep down everyone's really concerned for everybody elses safety. That's great.

We are all friends here, we just have completely different ideas about how to go about things. That's great too. Stops us getting bored.

There's no need to point fingers or place blame, nothing's anybody elses fault other than the squid at the controls. Recent events obviously have evryone a little tense and that's understandable. Let's not get personal though. Pretty simple, if you don't like the way someone rides, don't ride with them. You get a fairly good idea from the verbal daioreha being spouted on here as to how people act.

Hitcher doesn't attend The Real Thursday Night Rides and I don't attend The Other Thursday Night Rides as we each know it's not our bag. Don't see each of us on here defending our riding or bagging the other do you?

We're all different (especially that pommy homo Jimbo) but we're all motorcyclists, let's enjoy each others company.

[White trash]

What's this about, then?...

You're not even reading the whole thread?!

Daryl got it sonny, try to keep up.

(ps. You may need to go back a page or three)

[Paul in NZ]

Fuck, that's an entertaining ten pages of dribble.


I thought my stuff was particularly inspiring dribble but I can accept entertaining... :msn-wink:

[wkid_one]

Back to riding by myself or with a couple of mates maximum I reckon.

How about people just riding with personal accountability - rather than finding an excuse to blame other people.

Christ, it is someones pregotive to ride quick - if people feel impassioned to keep up - maybe they shouldn't be riding.

Quite frankly, if someone does die trying to keep up - it is there own fault for not looking at for themselves.

[James Deuce]

How about people just riding with personal accountability - rather than finding an excuse to blame other people.

Christ, it is someones pregotive to ride quick - if people feel impassioned to keep up - maybe they shouldn't be riding.

Quite frankly, if someone does die trying to keep up - it is there own fault for not looking at for themselves.

Nah, it'll never work. it's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Kevin Ash's latest column in Two Wheels is bound to make people tell him, "you can go and fuck off." It's what I got when I tried to sell the same idea. I'll just go for little rides with people who've got the personal responsibility thing sussed. Saves having to waste oxygen.

[wkid_one]

Nah, it'll never work. it's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Kevin Ash's latest column in Two Wheels is bound to make people tell him, "you can go and fuck off." It's what I got when I tried to sell the same idea. I'll just go for little rides with people who've got the personal responsibility thing sussed. Saves having to waste oxygen.

I agree entirely - god forbid I put my left glove on before my right, and someone copies me and has an accident and blames me for displaying incorrect glove adorning procedures.

[Marknz]

Yep, I've met you and you are a pretty cool dude from what I gathered but here's my say as well (not specificly directed at you Mark):

.

Hey, this is a forum... you've had your say and I've had mine, that's what it's all about. I'm sure we'll catch up at Manfield and I hope you have a good day on the track.

[Coldkiwi]

I'll just go for little rides with people who've got the personal responsibility thing sussed. Saves having to waste oxygen.

there's a lot of merit in that. Doesn't matter what speed they're planning to do, so long as they are acting responsible for their own safety and those in front and behind them.



one VERY important thing I think this ride has highlighted is the fact that SH22 is a real disaster zone for inexperienced riders (even on their own but a group just exacerbates the problems). Can any one count how many young riders have come off on SH22 rides in the last year? To those that think its a good place to learn to corner, I think you couldn't be more wrong given its changeable surfaces (especially at this time of year) and numerous tightening blind corners.
I think MR was right (and very decent) to offer the more inexperienced riders the option of passing on the 2nd stage of the ride but its up to each rider to stay within their limits and know when its time to call it quits.

[Coldkiwi]

And almost as funny is that I got a mention as a "big boy" with the trashman :killingme Wahooo :niceone: ... pity it cost me a camshaft trying to keep up while im sure you were holding back!

no no, i've seen this behaviour from trashy before. He looks like he's watching his mirrors to make sure he doesn't loose you, but he's really posing at himself and looking for pimples to pop as he rides :D
He would ride faster if he'd just watch where he's going though :msn-wink:

[Coldkiwi]

one VERY important thing I think this ride has highlighted is the fact that SH22 is a real disaster zone for inexperienced riders

I should also add that SH22 is very demanding of attention and skills for experienced riders. Personally, i've given up on it because i can't be bothered worrying about the state of the next corner that much when I can head north, east or south and find more friendly roads. I know some people here absolutely love it (because its a challenge?) but I don't think anyone should kid themselves that its an easy road to ride well.

[justsomeguy]

Heyyy!!!!

As President of the Scenic Drive fan club I resent the amount of attention being bestowed on SH22.

On a more serious note:

As a newbie I find nothing wrong with SH22. I remember riding down it with just a months or 4 Sundays experience. As long as you ride within your limits and make sure you can stop in the visible attendance ahead there is nothing wrong with 22. A corner is a corner is a corner. I have to agree with MR on this.

[Krusti]

Just a few observations...

1) If you crash it is NOT just you who is at risk, I have tryed to drill this into my son constantly. I'm sure the guy in the cage at Tokoroa thought this till he rammed into the back of that car!

2) New riders....SLOW IN FAST OUT....has made me look a little panyish over the years but I'm still here.

3) We are all responsible for our own actions....don't forget that you are riding a loaded weapon,every time you twist that throttle is no different from pulling the trigger, know where you are pointing it!

4) Learn, learn ,learn. Its not that you made a mistake that made you a dork, it's when you make it over and over and over. Learn ....move on. Don't do it again.

What the world needs now is love........:grouphug:


Lets be carefull out there:niceone:


:done:

[Zed]

I should also add that SH22 is very demanding of attention and skills for experienced riders. Personally, i've given up on it because i can't be bothered worrying about the state of the next corner that much when I can head north, east or south and find more friendly roads. I know some people here absolutely love it (because its a challenge?) but I don't think anyone should kid themselves that its an easy road to ride well.Dearest CK, you've painted a pretty dismal picture of our beloved 22 in your last two posts here so don't be expecting to get away with it!

I don't take offence at your opinion because I know you don't ride it! I ride it often, and my opinion is that IN THE DRY State Highway 22 rules! I suggest that learner riders go slow but at least "go". :msn-wink:

I've only had two semi-serious "moments" on 22 and they were both last year where (1) I lay it down in that country drain on the same day Firefight lay his down, and (2) I clipped your muffler when we stopped (well u stopped :o ) at that give way at the one-way bridge! Other than those incidents I've always had heaps of fun down that road and experienced that it gets better every time I ride it cos I know the corners so well!:Punk: The road condition isn't as bad as you may remember it...not that you've seen it in such a long while. :msn-wink:

[Jeremy]

I should also add that SH22 is very demanding of attention and skills for experienced riders. Personally, i've given up on it because i can't be bothered worrying about the state of the next corner that much when I can head north, east or south and find more friendly roads. I know some people here absolutely love it (because its a challenge?) but I don't think anyone should kid themselves that its an easy road to ride well.

I thought it was fairly easy, you could always tell where the road was going. You didn't have to worry about a lot of traffic or other people changing into your lane. Plus the weather was reasonably good. Having to just worry about how to position the bike on the road and turn was a refreshing change from having to worry about 3 lanes of traffic and what weird stuff they're going to pull. Sure the road could have been of a higher quality, but it's certainly a lot better than K road or the Great South. Most importantly the roads weren't greesy. Everything considered if there was another fine day and this was organised again I'd certainly go.

[Ixion]

I thought it was fairly easy, you could always tell where the road was going. You didn't have to worry about a lot of traffic or other people changing into your lane. Plus the weather was reasonably good. Having to just worry about how to position the bike on the road and turn was a refreshing change from having to worry about 3 lanes of traffic and what weird stuff they're going to pull. Sure the road could have been of a higher quality, but it's certainly a lot better than K road or the Great South. Most importantly the roads weren't greesy. Everything considered if there was another fine day and this was organised again I'd certainly go.

I've ridden SH22 on all sorts of bikes, in the dry, in the rain, at night. I've never ridden it fast.

So long as you treat it with respect , and TAKE IT EASY there are no problems. And once you are familiar with the corners you can speed up. As someone said, a corner is just a corner. None of the SH22 corners have ravening Taniwhas hidden in the roadside bushes waiting to spring out at passing bikers. And the road is commendably free of the assorted idiots that plague most roads. The Interchangeable Mabels, Harry Huriup, Dithering Dave and Wanking Willy and the rest of the plaguey crew seem to prefer SH1.

[Storm]

Quite like your description of my enemies on the road Ixion. Do you have a full list of them and thier habits so as we can pass it around so that we may better know our idiots on the road ? :killingme

[Paul in NZ]

I've ridden SH22 on all sorts of bikes, in the dry, in the rain, at night. I've never ridden it fast.

So long as you treat it with respect , and TAKE IT EASY there are no problems. And once you are familiar with the corners you can speed up. As someone said, a corner is just a corner. None of the SH22 corners have ravening Taniwhas hidden in the roadside bushes waiting to spring out at passing bikers. And the road is commendably free of the assorted idiots that plague most roads. The Interchangeable Mabels, Harry Huriup, Dithering Dave and Wanking Willy and the rest of the plaguey crew seem to prefer SH1.

But it does (apparently) have it's fair share of Wideboys, Knee down Nigels, One Wheel Willies, Too fast Trevors and Laydown Lulus....

Ya wanna avoid that ya know...

[Fart]

Anyone got more photos on the ride. Will like to have some. Please post it up or email me.

vangtheman@gmail.com

Cheers :niceone:

[Motu]

But it does (apparently) have it's fair share of Wideboys, Knee down Nigels, One Wheel Willies, Too fast Trevors and Laydown Lulus....

Ya wanna avoid that ya know...
an Motard Motus...

[SPman]

So what, exactly, was the total score? 6? 4 new guys, Swannies R1te off, and an elusive NC30????

This whole thread is rather amusing......

[DEATH_INC.]

So what, exactly, was the total score? 6? 4 new guys, Swannies R1te off, and an elusive NC30????

This whole thread is rather amusing......
I can confirm now the R1's written off(they took it away today),a bent NC30 and a bent CBR250......the riders though I believe are still straight and relatively undamaged :D

[NC]

I can confirm now the R1's written off(they took it away today),a bent NC30 and a bent CBR250......the riders though I believe are still straight and relatively undamaged :D
I'm not bent :killingme

[DEATH_INC.]

I'm not bent :killingme
I dunno..... :Pokey:

[Sheep Dags]

I can confirm now the R1's written off(they took it away today),a bent NC30 and a bent CBR250......the riders though I believe are still straight and relatively undamaged :D


I'm as straight as they come, and so is my new racebike!! After I take all the bent bits off :D

[Sheep Dags]

oh shit i got caught up in all these new posts but i was gonna say:

i'm keen to see some of the photos of the day, particularly ones of 'on the way back, where we rested for a while'
so if anyone's got any, could you email me some at grassrootslawns@gmail.com

cheers heaps,
Mike

p.s. particularly ones of that silly dude's broken NC30

[pyrocam]

change of address.

just www.pyrocam.com
register and videos are there.

still in the process of moving them over.

[WINJA]

I'm not bent :killingme
YES YOU ARE YOU LITTLE TRAMP :buggerd:

[jazbug5]

Poor baby- wasn't she gentle like she promised...?

[badlieutenant]

lol. had an image of NC wearing a dominatrix outfit with whip in hand say "yer, Ill be gentle, biatch"
err my mind has its own problems, did I mention that

[Paul in NZ]

lol. had an image of NC wearing a dominatrix outfit with whip in hand say "yer, Ill be gentle, biatch"
err my mind has its own problems, did I mention that

(sigh)

I think you may be in trouble now Mr Bad.... (ie - I think you have been a very naughty boy)

[badlieutenant]

(sigh)

I think you may be in trouble now Mr Bad.... (ie - I think you have been a very naughty boy)

will I beaten for my crimes ? one can only hope :D
Ill put on heaps of bravado untill either the scottish or NC get here

[John]

(sigh)

I think you may be in trouble now Mr Bad.... (ie - I think you have been a very naughty boy)
We all know what we do with naughty boys dont we?....


We lynich(sp) the fuckers :lol: (p/t)

[jazbug5]

Oh, you'd like to be punished in public, wouldn't you, you filthy boy..?
Come here... closer... that's it...



















Right. Here's a pen and paper: 200 lines- "I will not aggravate the girls ever again." I'll see you after class, boy.

[Paul in NZ]

Oh, you'd like to be punished in public, wouldn't you, you filthy boy..?
Right. Here's a pen and paper: 200 lines- "I will not aggravate the girls ever again." I'll see you after class, boy.

Ok...

I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.
I will not aggravate the girls ever again.

oh...

Your not meaning me are you....

:msn-wink:

Cheers

[badlieutenant]

Im not here

[jazbug5]

Im not all here

Quite.


mumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemu mblemumble

[Toddler]

I'm still just a little broken, shoulder strain :(
Not in two pieces though, thats got to be a bonus.
Had to take a week of work :D Thats a very bad thing really

[Krayy]

Just noticed that in this vid of the lads (and ladesses) leaving the Tuakau bridge stop, Gazzar about 20 secs in gives his ZX636 (beautiful bike, BTW - you too Feint) a little too much juice on the gravel....whoops

[Coldkiwi]

Dearest CK, you've painted a pretty dismal picture of our beloved 22 in your last two posts here so don't be expecting to get away with it!

I don't take offence at your opinion because I know you don't ride it! I ride it often, and my opinion is that IN THE DRY State Highway 22 rules! I suggest that learner riders go slow but at least "go". :msn-wink:

I've only had two semi-serious "moments" on 22 and they were both last year where (1) I lay it down in that country drain on the same day Firefight lay his down, and (2) I clipped your muffler when we stopped (well u stopped :o ) at that give way at the one-way bridge! Other than those incidents I've always had heaps of fun down that road and experienced that it gets better every time I ride it cos I know the corners so well!:Punk: The road condition isn't as bad as you may remember it...not that you've seen it in such a long while. :msn-wink:

Tis true, I haven't been down it for a while so maybe i'm out of touch. I do recall though each time i've been along it, i've always had in the back of my mind that the margin for error (be it not reading the road signs :msn-wink: , not judging the speed into the corners or just not going quite slow enough to avoid agitated poultry) is always lower than my other usual haunts. Its not a death trap but it just tends to throw more factors into the mix of riding which can fluster new riders.

I note your provisio of 'in the dry' about loving SH22. In the wet it is truly diabolical with all those randomly smoothed patches plus the usual enemies!

[Deano]

I'm not bent :killingme

Just a little twisted.

[badlieutenant]

Quite.


mumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemumblemu mblemumble
isnt that just typical!!! woman replaces what man says with her own words, thus completly changing what man said.
Dont get me wrong Im not surprised, just pointing it out for the younger members :D

[jazbug5]

isnt that just typical!!! woman replaces what man says with her own words, thus completly changing what man said.
Dont get me wrong Im not surprised, just pointing it out for the younger members :D

Just using my 'intuitive' feminine abilities to read between the lines and therefore perceive the true message you meant to convey. I was being helpful for goodness' sake!
*flounce*

[pyrocam]

can ppl who witnessed the crashes for this event pls PM me.

especially one involving a blue 1000cc bike ? which I never heard of.

[Zed]

...be it not reading the road signs :msn-wink:...You live and learn...sometimes. :msn-wink: (My bad)

[Zed]

can ppl who witnessed the crashes for this event pls PM me.

especially one involving a blue 1000cc bike ? which I never heard of.Why do you want to be PM'd?

[Coldkiwi]

You live and learn...sometimes. :msn-wink: (My bad)


hehe, sorry- I couldn't resist!

[Biff]

Hey all!
I'm Paul, i was riding the cbr 250 rr and had the same 2 piece as mr.
I was involved in the later crash that also an r1 and vfr400.
I would like to thank death and draco .
I would like to thank every one for a good ride.
I have learn't a very valueable leason from the accident that sometimes people may take for granted. KEEP YOUR DISTANCE esspecially when going quick it's easily to get caught up in the moment.

nothing sader than seeing a totaled r1....will maybe your bike after a crash is.

So much for my first kb ride aye.
Don't worry, once my bike is all fixed i'll come back on another :yes:
I'll keep you all updated
cheers all

Good attitude.
Get fit soon Paul. :niceone:

[Krayy]

Ooops.....heres a couple of small vids that I took.

First is the group riding through Tuakau on the way to the jump off point, second is leaving Tuakau bridge, ready for the road.

[Eurodave]

sorry dude I cant see anything, something about an odd file extension?

[chickenfunkstar]

Ooops.....heres a couple of small vids that I took.

First is the group riding through Tuakau on the way to the jump off point, second is leaving Tuakau bridge, ready for the road.


Haha, nice vids. :niceone:
I didn't even realise you were filming in Tuakau.

[Krayy]

sorry dude I cant see anything, something about an odd file extension?
Just change the extension to .avi and try that. Alternatively download the very groovy Media Player Classic and latest DivX codec to make sure you can view it.

MPC: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84358&release_id=314365

DivX Codec: http://www.divx.com/divx/download/