2010 vfr 1200

[proseuche]

had a little ride on one of these today. i'm not usually a tourer kind of girl. but it was badass. (thanks ferk, quite like that description xx)

[shafty]

:gob: Is THAT your ride report??????????????

[pzkpfw]

Todays Dominion has a write-up.

I think the reviewer wet himself.

[Urano]

YEAH!!! LESS WORDS MORE FACTS!! :D :D

my opinion on new vfr:
i was a HUUUUUUGE fan of the old one, it was techie beautiful and if it had been a little "smaller" in displacement i would have considered seriously to buy one. to be true i don't see the point of buying an engine bigger than my car's one.
with 650 cc you can go 0-100kmh in 2 seconds, and 250 kmh. do you really need more?
now what have they done? 1200cc WHY FOR HELL SAKES!!!??? i know why: because germans says that you cannot do touring with less than 1000cc.
i think they're wrong: 20 years ago we had 350cc, 400cc and those were great bike, funny, and hard to drive too...
now if you don't have 1200cc seems that you cannot be a real male.
so.
for me it's the wrong way. more weight, more fuel consumption, more taxes. and more power sure, but all the power you have more is (for me) useless.

and the exhaust is... is... HORRIBLE!!.

my2c

[OutForADuck]

There is a difference between HP and Torque (although most don't actually know the difference).

Come on though I would be really interested in a full description of the ride.

[Urano]

There is a difference between HP and Torque (although most don't actually know the difference).

this is true.
but you can obtain the same torque with a smaller engine simply reducing fractioning or changing the bang sequence...
so it's not a factor...

[CookMySock]

My widdle 650 vtwin has mountains of torque for touring. I can easily idle through town in 5th or 6th gear at 70 clicks, and then growl back up to open-road speed without any effort whatsoever.

I rode a mates' bandit 1200, and the fucken thing had a maaaassive wall of torque, and so absurdly sensitive on the throttle. I reckon touring on that would be more difficult than my 650.

Steve

[SPP]

this is true… but you can obtain the same torque with a smaller engine simply reducing fractioning or changing the bang sequence... so it's not a factor...
Most people just change sprockets... ***EDIT*** sorry dude, it dawned on me you were referring to the manufacturers engine design. That's true to a certain extent... but the VFR1200 is what it is. A big lump of V4, 4-stroke, piston engine.


YEAH!!! LESS WORDS MORE FACTS!! :D :D
I don’t think a novel is needed; just something that doesn’t read like it was typed using only their thumbs. TFS, L8RZ


… with 650 cc you can go 0-100kmh in 2 seconds…
2sec? Nope, but I’m hearing you. They are quick, just not that quick.


…now if you don't have 1200cc seems that you cannot be a real male.

It’s a Honda. That in itself removes all possibility of being mistaken for a man.
Yes, Honda baiting is fun, even for Honda riders.


… more power sure, but all the power you have more is (for me) useless.
More torque = less fuss. Which is the point being made by OutForADuck.

I don't particularly like the VFR1200 either, but for shallow reasons like it's friggin ugly and it looks too big and fat. Who knows, I may actually see one, ride it and love it.... maybe.

[Slyer]

My widdle 650 vtwin has mountains of torque for touring. I can easily idle through town in 5th or 6th gear at 70 clicks, and then growl back up to open-road speed without any effort whatsoever.

I rode a mates' bandit 1200, and the fucken thing had a maaaassive wall of torque, and so absurdly sensitive on the throttle. I reckon touring on that would be more difficult than my 650.

Steve
This is how it seems to me. I'm fairly happy on my 250 revving it up. People talk of having to rev 650's a lot to get it to go anywhere. Ummmm really?
My 250 is a decent enough for long distances and I'm thinking a 650 would be about perfect size, so you really need more? Are tourers that lazy?

Suppose I'll need to try them and decide myself.

[CookMySock]

People talk of having to rev 650's a lot to get it to go anywhere. Ummmm really?Maybe rev the inline fours hard if you want to scold off down the road on it.. but twins (inline or vee) are much more lazy, with a fattt spread of torque more akin to a big single four-stroke dirt bike - but imagine it has a wild-az cam and NOS - and thats a 650 vtwin. :niceone:



My 250 is a decent enough for long distances and I'm thinking a 650 would be about perfect size, so you really need more? Are tourers that lazy?Suppose I'll need to try them and decide myself.Yeah, the 250's are adequate, but there's quite a difference between adequate and amusing. Around town 250's are simple and convenient, but on the open road if you want to ride all day, pass stuff and belt off up hills with a thunderclap after you, 600-900cc is the fucken bizo.. :laugh:

Steve

[BMWST?]

Maybe rev the inline fours hard if you want to scold off down the road on it.. but twins (inline or vee) are much more lazy, with a fattt spread of torque more akin to a big single four-stroke dirt bike - but imagine it has a wild-az cam and NOS - and thats a 650 vtwin. :niceone:


Yeah, the 250's are adequate, but there's quite a difference between adequate and amusing. Around town 250's are simple and convenient, but on the open road if you want to ride all day, pass stuff and belt off up hills with a thunderclap after you, 600-900cc is the fucken bizo.. :laugh:

Steve

not to mention hall a bit of luggage and a passenger.Add in some wind and a l of a sudden you find your 250 is full throttle during an uphill passing manouvres

[zeocen]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113913-Honda-VFR1200-a-big-fat-lemon?p=1129653117#post1129653117

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113913-Honda-VFR1200-a-big-fat-lemon?p=1129653946#post1129653946

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/02/honda-vfr-1200-first-ride-photos.html

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/02/honda-vfr1200-and-honda-fury.html

[proseuche]

read upcoming nzpc next few months. it way sexier wit luggage comparts off. fun to ride.

[Hitcher]

Todays Dominion has a write-up.

I think the reviewer wet himself.

I get tired very quickly about reviews of that nature. I mean who really cares if a crankshaft is 180 or 360 degrees, the valve stems peened or if the heads are made of forged kyptonite? How does a bike actually ride in the real world? What's it like two up and with luggage on it? Where's the head-to-head comparison with a real sports tourer like an FJR1300 or a Concours, instead of all this bullshit comparo wankery invoking BMWs? The only thing of interest I learned from Paul Owen's "review" is that this bike has a limited fuel range, especially compared to the ST1300 it "replaces". Indeed a proper head to head comparison with the ST would be a good read.

[325rocket]

I get tired very quickly about reviews of that nature. I mean who really cares if a crankshaft is 180 or 360 degrees, the valve stems peened or if the heads are made of forged kyptonite? How does a bike actually ride in the real world?

thats the one. all the reviews in the world wont tell you how it feels to you. best thing you can do is put the magazine down and go test ride one.

[CookMySock]

thats the one. all the reviews in the world wont tell you how it feels to you. best thing you can do is put the magazine down and go test ride one.Thats a very clever reviewer if he got you to do that.

Steve

[Hitcher]

The next trick is to find a Honda "dealer" with a demo. I understand that the closest one is in Palmerston North.

[Urano]

the VFR1200 is what it is. A big lump of V4, 4-stroke, piston engine.
you're right... and i like the v4 architecture, it's clever... i'd only wished they'd choose to downsize a bit... :(


2sec? Nope, but I’m hearing you. They are quick, just not that quick.

ok ok ok... i seee you're a bit pedantic, but even worse you're right... ;) ;)
mine was about 3 and a half, similar to sv or gladius... monster 675 and daytona do better...
2 sec... i've been way enthusiastic... :)
anyway, as you say, it's QUICK.


It’s a Honda. That in itself removes all possibility of being mistaken for a man.
:rofl:


I don't particularly like the VFR1200 either, but for shallow reasons like it's friggin ugly and it looks too big and fat. Who knows, I may actually see one, ride it and love it.... maybe.

you know, this is to be said: vfr is much smaller than it looks. i've been surprised of how much is "thin" compared to what the images on papers made me think.
anyway it's still "ugly as hungriness", as we say in italy... :)


This is how it seems to me. I'm fairly happy on my 250 revving it up. People talk of having to rev 650's a lot to get it to go anywhere. Ummmm really?
My 250 is a decent enough for long distances and I'm thinking a 650 would be about perfect size, so you really need more? Are tourers that lazy?
Suppose I'll need to try them and decide myself.

read what Steve says. He's right.
when i was in the first 1000 km on my ninja650, with the rev limited to 4000, i thought "who the hell could need more?".
then i reached the right mileage, and i revved up to 7000....
I don't want to be misunderstood.
i like power, speed and torque... only, with my 650 twin i was at 90kmh at 4000rpm, 130 6000... when in 3° or 4° i could get from 40-50 kmh to "please-officer-dont-shred-my-licence" speed truly fast, so i was pretty happy with that.
more happy, considering that i was going to an average of 20-25 km/l, and had between legs a bike that was similar to a 250 as for dimensions...
so, for me: 650cc > good, 750cc > maybe better, 800cc > well, yes, but let's start lookin' at weight and dimensions, more than 800 > no thanks, i'll take the car...

i was longin for moto morini to downsize their fabulous 1200 "corsacorta" to a reasonable displacement... sigh.... :(

[CookMySock]

read what Steve says. He's right.Haha, another line to add to my sig. :killingme

Steve

[Slyer]

Oh fuck look what you've done Urano.
You've helped reinforce the idea that he has anything worthwhile to say.
He's wrong so often that someone agreeing with him is a fucking achievement...

[CookMySock]

Oh fuck look what you've done Urano.
You've helped reinforce the idea that he has anything worthwhile to say.
He's wrong so often that someone agreeing with him is a fucking achievement...LMAO!!!! :killingme


Steve

[Pixie]

I get tired very quickly about reviews of that nature. I mean who really cares if a crankshaft is 180 or 360 degrees, the valve stems peened or if the heads are made of forged kyptonite? How does a bike actually ride in the real world? What's it like two up and with luggage on it? Where's the head-to-head comparison with a real sports tourer like an FJR1300 or a Concours, instead of all this bullshit comparo wankery invoking BMWs? The only thing of interest I learned from Paul Owen's "review" is that this bike has a limited fuel range, especially compared to the ST1300 it "replaces". Indeed a proper head to head comparison with the ST would be a good read.

It's known as "interviewing the sales brochure"

[NZsarge]

Too expensive, if it were $26k with luggage it might be worth considering, it's not as ugly as I first thought it was but it is'nt an oil painting either, nice bike but waayyy over priced.

[Urano]

Oh fuck look what you've done Urano.
You've helped reinforce the idea that he has anything worthwhile to say.
He's wrong so often that someone agreeing with him is a fucking achievement...

:shit:
oh shit! i'm sorry pal...
doesn't your hospital system help such guys?

:D :D :D :D ;)

[Hitcher]

Too expensive, if it were $26k with luggage it might be worth considering, it's not as ugly as I first thought it was but it is'nt an oil painting either, nice bike but waayyy over priced.

Hence, I suspect, the reason that Honda is so keen to compare it with BMWs, rather than with its major Japanese competitors and with its now obsolete brother.

[Big Dave]

Indeed a proper head to head comparison with the ST would be a good read.

One is a big arsed comfortable touring bike and the other is a fast sports tourer with a capital sports.

I don't see the fuel range as a big problem in NZ - it's not very good - but I need a leg stretch every 200km anyway - and it does more than that. I was getting 200 to reserve but I got reprimanded for wheelieing it too ;-(
Conversely if you have that bee in yous bon-net if a 'touring bike' doesn't do 400km then it ain't for you.
Performance-wise cross a Sprint ST with a Hyabusa and you get the pitcher. High praise in these quarters.

I quite like the look too.

[SPP]

ok ok ok... i seee you're a bit pedantic

Yeah, I get carried away sometimes.

I hear ya about a 650cc being plenty for most. Hard to justify the need for 170hp and 130Nm to a sane person, but needs must. :whistle:

[The Stranger]

I mean who really cares if a crankshaft is 180 or 360 degrees, the valve stems peened or if the heads are made of forged kyptonite?

Superman perhaps?

[Headbanger]

.................. how the fuck can the claim a Hyosung 650 is better for touring then a 1200 Bandit go unchallenged?

[Urano]

I hear ya about a 650cc being plenty for most. Hard to justify the need for 170hp and 130Nm to a sane person, but needs must. :whistle:


oh, man.... i'm not as boring as you're depicting me... ;)

by the way, i'd sell a lung to have an rsv4 on a track...
i'd probably even sell a cut of hair to have your bike on a track... :devil2: :D :D

but on the road...

[The Stranger]

.................. how the fuck can the claim a Hyosung 650 is better for touring then a 1200 Bandit go unchallenged?

It's dangerousbastard, no one believes a thing he says anyway.

[SPP]

oh, man.... i'm not as boring as you're depicting me... ;)

An excited hairy Italian man! hello ladies. ;) No no, it's all good


... i'd probably even sell a cut of hair to have your bike on a track... :devil2:

Me too... ah well, back to commuting.


... how the fuck can the claim a Hyosung 650 is better for touring than a 1200 Bandit...

the answer is obvious isn't it?

[Hitcher]

I quite like the look too.

Probably another reason to compare it with a BMW?

[Big Dave]

Probably another reason to compare it with a BMW?

If we are talking K1300S - entirely matters of taste - I find the Honda perty-er to look at off the bike, the Bimmer I thought was a little nicer overall on-board, and if doohickeys are your thing, it's like a wing.