Please please SLOW down

[crashe]

I have been reading the threads today after your rides...

For goodness sake, PLEASE PLEASE SLOW DOWN.

RIDE at your own pace, not someone else's pace.
RIDE your own line into the corner, not someone else's.

PLEASE learn from what happened to Sam/flyin last week.

Lads put your testostrone away.... and ride safely.

I am stuck at home for 8 weeks unable to ride my bike and I do NOT want to read of any more bins and near misses in that time.

Lads go and do a few bike courses on riding your bikes.
But for GODDESS sake stop trying to keep up with the faster riders.

Ride slow and enjoy the ride.

LIVE TO RIDE ANOTHER DAY. :ride: :ride: :ride:

[John]

LIVE TO RIDE ANOTHER DAY. :ride: :ride: :ride:
Thankyou, we need more of this education - not dick driven riding - use your brains people!

I know After my first encounter with a dork cager I realised that I'm not the only one on the road, I dont want to go out and endager mine and others lives, use your bloody heads - its easier, ride like you do by yourself dont try prove yourself to the 'faster' guys, they wont respect you any more if you keep up with them. You want to have a family well keep it rubber side down :nono:

[Waylander]

Agreably people should ride at thier own pace but it's a bit hard when you think that everyone will be riding faster than you. Maybe if we had more slow rides as in nothing over 5 or 10 K's over limit. That way the new riders wont feel presured to go with the guys who spend half thier time on a track. I fell into this trap two and am now without my bike and it's been a few months now. It sucks, binning a bike is not fun but if you can get up and laugh about it isn't that what makes bikers bikers? Yea it sucks when people are hospitalized and worse but being able to laugh at your own mistakes helps to calm down afterwards. Anyway that's just my 2c.

[dveus]

While I agree mostly with the slow down, riding slowly does not mean you will be safe. Riding within your limits is one thing, but learning to read the road and spot various hazards is I feel a more important point to be pushing. We all like to go fast at times but it is choosing those times that is important.

[T.I.E]

shit i have to agree.
some learners or beginners are biting off a bit more than they can chew.
hell so are some experienced ones.
ride at your own pace.
enjoy the ride and not the race.
live to ride on new zealand roads.
don't race to die.
keep that to the track.

ok i know it sucks but its the truth guys/gals.

keep it safe and have a great ride ,not race.

[crashe]

Waylander - Why should it be harder if others are riding faster than you...?

You should only ride to what you are capable of doing.

It is common knowledge that the faster riders will always stop and wait for you to catch up.

[T.I.E]

Waylander - Why should it be harder if others are riding faster than you...?

You should only ride to what you are capable of doing.

It is common knowledge that the faster riders will always stop and wait for you to catch up.


it's probably a male ego trip the less experienced ones are trying to keep up with the experienced ones.
if they can do that so can i.

hey i'm guilty.

but your still right ride at your own pase. no peer pressure now.

[John]

Agreably people should ride at thier own pace but it's a bit hard when you think that everyone will be riding faster than you. Maybe if we had more slow rides as in nothing over 5 or 10 K's over limit. That way the new riders wont feel presured to go with the guys who spend half thier time on a track. I fell into this trap two and am now without my bike and it's been a few months now. It sucks, binning a bike is not fun but if you can get up and laugh about it isn't that what makes bikers bikers? Yea it sucks when people are hospitalized and worse but being able to laugh at your own mistakes helps to calm down afterwards. Anyway that's just my 2c.
Remeber you werent forced to ride fast mate, you decided to - C4. (sorry blue ZX6R dude :( forgot your name) and HDT(??) were having a nice crusie at the back no preasure or anything, setting a limit to the ride wont slow people down, people will still go around 45kmph corners at 100kmph and the newbies will do likewise, I think we need to grow our minds not our egos.

[Ixion]

Listen to the lady, please lads.

Everybody wants to push their limits. No-one wants to cut back on anyone's fun.

But do it somewhere that you don't end up plastered across the front of an (innocent) cage.

Listen to Mr Bugjuice, and learn to lean the bike . Practice in some car parks, or round and round industrial buildings, so you learn how far you can lean, and what happens when you do go to far. And in that environment if you do off at least you have room to roll.

And remember you don't have to go fast on a bike to have fun

But in the mean time pleas eplease slow down. And by that I don't mena you have to nana along like me. A bit of throttle twisting on clear straight roads is not out of order (apart from the danger from Mr Plod). But don't try to "push" - just let the ride flow along.

And remember also, no-one is going to think any the less of you because you can't get a 250cc to keep up with a 1000cc. So don't try. I ride a 250 (sometimes) and I know perfectly well that it's going to be left in the dust by a sportsbike. So I won't try. Just have fun at my own speed.

And btw, well done those who did bin for getting up and going on. That takes guts.

(Which occasions me to ask - how many experienced riders have a 250cc or less that would be willing to take it out on a "250cc max" run - so young riders can follow an experienced hand on a bike that's not way faster than theirs ?)

[Waylander]

Waylander - Why should it be harder if others are riding faster than you...?

You should only ride to what you are capable to to do.

It is common knowledge that the faster riders will always stop and wait for you to catch up.

I know but it's hard (for me atleast) to turn off that slight competitiveness (is that a word?) I rode down to Wellington and back by myself at night with the only scary bit being an area of new seal with no markings that went straight and no wrecks. Yet a week or two later I bin it becouse I was tryng to keep up with a better rider than me. (there is a compliment for ya JSG) My fault I know I wasn't thinking about what could happen I was thinking about the respect I would have gotten at the end of the ride for being the only one on a cruiser and keeping up with the middle of the pack. That's something I learned for the next time.

[Waylander]

Anyway I've learned my lesson about keeping up with better riders. I'm young cocky and iggnorant but I do learn. So soon as my bike is running again I will start orginizing some slower paced rides for everybody who doesn't want to be tempted at keeping up with the big boys.

[bugjuice]

just on the 'slow down' thing, something else to bear in mind - the weather. It's getting cool now, and moisture is sat on the roads and staying in the tyres a bit more too, making the temp harder to keep. You can't be taking corners as fast as you can during the summer, so watch for the changing road conditions and falling temp.
Plus all the rain will wash crap up from the roads, so until that washes off, then it'll be a bit slippery in the wet too.
Just mind out fellow peeps..

[Skyryder]

No shame in being last.

Skyrder

[justsomeguy]

No shame in being last.

Skyrder

Piss off !!!!:mad:

On group rides I usually come last. You can find yourself some other place/position. Thank you very much. :angry2:

[Waylander]

Piss off !!!!:mad:

On group rides I usually come last. You can find yourself some other place/position. Thank you very much. :angry2:
Suppose that's one way to do it. Compete for last place.

[justsomeguy]

Suppose that's one way to do it. Compete for last place.

With me I'm naturally talented.:yes:

[Skyryder]

Piss off !!!!:mad:

On group rides I usually come last. You can find yourself some other place/position. Thank you very much. :angry2:

Who said I was talking about me.


Skyryder

[Sheep Dags]

yep i think everyone's learnt their lesson from today... and thanks guys for the advice. I'm sure it will be taken on board. these guys probably felt pretty stink as soon as they fucked up, but it's good if you can give them helpful advice that they can learn from. - that's what Kiwibiker is great for anyways

[Brian d marge]

Get some air time ....lifes fun playing in the Dirt......find out what life is all about when you have it PINNED to the stop ......and your arse is going past your ears ..... and 2 laps later you feel like you have just been very passionate with a mountain gorrilla
What 2 expensive ...try VMX on a old XL 250 ...500 dollars ......want to dive in front of you mate then ROOST him ...( wait till you see a patch of moo moo poo ) :devil2:
Then take it from me ,....that ride to work monday morning is taken REAL slow ....and you Really dont mind being last .....as on sat YOU GET TO ROOST the #$&%'&'..... again HAAAARRRR HAAAARRRR... :killingme

Really IS the dogs ...ummm whart do you call em ,,,,,,

On a serious note ...just potter ...if you want to get the heart pumping go and play in the dirt .....( an 85 CR is cheap and is elegible for VMX and WILL make you learn about handling a bike :ride:

Stephen :Punk:

[justsomeguy]

Who said I was talking about me.


Skyryder

That wasn't directed at you - it was directed to anyone who agreed with your post.:yes:

[FROSTY]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrong

[justsomeguy]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrong

You can take a horse to water but you can't..........

Dogs tails............

Young guys........

Somethings never change Frosty.

[Sensei]

Speed & bikes go hand in hand sorry to say .We all know this . some more so than others . The road has no friends, but when treated right you can make it yours / " If it feel wrong then it is " mistakes happen when you don't respect this feeling its there for a reason Learn it well !!!!!!!

[Wolf]

setting a limit to the ride wont slow people down, people will still go around 45kmph corners at 100kmph and the newbies will do likewise, I think we need to grow our minds not our egos.
True. The speed limit or how much in excess of it is not the only problem. People need to be aware of their own abilities and their bike's capabilities - I have taken sharp corners faster on my old TS125 than I would on the LS400 - the reason being I found the TS a lot more manoeuvrable. I used to scrape the pegs without worry on the TS (which is a Road/Trail, FFS, not a racer) and I will not bring myself to so on the LS because it does not handle the same. The TS was built to manoeuvre, the LS is built to "Cruise", Duc 996s and similar are built to corner at high speeds.

I can well see a person who is not aware of his/her bike's limitations (or his/her own limitations) attempting to follow someone with more experience and a race-style bike through a corner at dangerous speeds. I can see it happening not out of "testosterone" or ego, but out of a basic misunderstanding of the differences in the bikes. I would not expect a GN250 (capable of 100km/h) to take a corner at the same speed as the Blackbird or a Duc or any other "race" bike - fuck, I wouldn't try to corner like that on the LS400 - but there are those who would just be following the pack, riding at a nice "safe" 100km/h, taking their cues from the leaders and would blindly commit to a corner too fast for their skills or their bike or both to handle.

[Ixion]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrongWell, I'll agree that "slow down": isn't quite the right term, because (as I've argued before) usually it's not excess speed in a straight line that is the problem Even for a novice 120+kph on a clear straight road is hardly likely to be a problem. But I don't know a simple phrase that conveys the "take it easier, take fewer risks, allow more time for overtaking, take the corners slower etc etc " that is needed. Maybe COOL DOWN.

But I think that "slow down" captures the essence of it

As for riding within limits - that's the whole problem isn't it, because a novice doesn't *know* their limits. And sometime the way they find them out is by crashing - or worse.

Take a young guy, full of testosterone and adrenalin and invincibility, add ignorance of limits, add inexperience in control skills to get out trouble when it comes, add a bunch of other riders with bigger bikes and better skills . Result is crashs. Or worse.

I don't know the answer, but I do think the motorcycling community a a whole has to find one, before the politicians and police find one for us.

[FROSTY]

Its actually pretty barn simple---rider training !!!!!
Im gonna sound like an old record here but ....
The road -as in the open road isn't the place to explore braking limits -maximum lean angle -what happens if I stuff it up.
A closed circuit is be it a race track or be it a bloody huge carpark or airfeild.
Welll thats my opinion anyhoo

[gav]

Exactly its not the speed, its the lack of ability and skills, you young guys need to go do some rider training. Personally I couldnt give a toss whether you wipe out, but think how you'd feel if someone ran into you, when you were zipping around a corner on your bike or in your car? Go and get your shit together, and stay off the bloody roads!!!

[Waylander]

Ok I'm probably gonna get heaps of bad rep and shit for saying this but its something I think needs to be said and I wont be posting for a while anyway.


Some of you people are being overly sensitive. A month ago no one would have been getting very serious about a "minor" wreck. Everyone would have joked and laughed and told the guy that ya they learned something this time. But lately all this stuff is just ridiculas. So a few new riders went down this weekend. Nothing major though it could have been. Yea they were lucky but I can tell you chances are they know what they did wrong and they wont do it again. They don't need all the people on here pointing out every single little fuck up they did. Wrecks are a matter of life for bikers they are probably gonna happen. Even for experianced riders. All this is something I never expected from this site. If a person has a wreck and can get up and laugh about it later good on them as long as they learn something from it. They know they fucked up they don't need a half a dozen people they have never met yelling at them and stuff. Losing Flyin sucks and I didn't even know him but come on guys were bikers. What makes us better than cagers is that we suport each other not bitch and moan over the mistakes of others and yell at them. I'll see yall again when my bike works again.