Crush drink drivers cars?

[Mudfart]

Its in the paper today. the suggestion is that as soon as the breath test is failed, the cops can take the car keys out of the ignition. THAT SOUNDS BLOODY SENSIBLE!!!!! It would have saved that mother of 5's life, and grandmother of 10!.
That little manouveure could save a lot of lives...
As for crushing em, you could sell them on TM for 1$ reserves and give the money to help rehabilitate injured innocent victims, or pay for their hospital care, or sell them for parts.
Or if the drunk is already driving a piece of shit, give them a hard labour sentence where they earn 5 cents an hour breaking concrete or rocks, and give them large sums to work off.
Mr Smith, I find you guilty, and impose a sentence of 1000$ to be earned before your consideration for release from hard labour.
Whats the general consensus?

[allycatz]

Certainly has its merits ,but, in some cases, crushing the car could cause further hardship for family members of the drunk driver. Speaking from experience with an ex who had 3 DIC charges over five years, it didn't matter didddly squat to him that he had no licence. I was the mug that had to drop everything and play chaffeur when he needed to go somewhere. No vehicle would of been impossible with a family. In the end he just bought a cheap car and drove anyway. I think jail is the better option.

[Edbear]

One of the options being considered is confiscation and sale of the offender's car. Yes families do suffer and maybe something can be done for them. It could be an idea to contact your local MP and offer your own suggestions, especially if you are personally affected by the proposal.

Racidivist drink drivers will continue to drive regardless until they are physically prevented from doing so.

[yachtie10]

Well I think crushing cars is moronic
sell them to wreckers for parts is much more sensible. Crushing is such a waste. Also are you going to crush someone else's car they are driving.
I know a guy who has been done 7 times for drunk driving and they still havnt put him inside (and he is surprised himself) he has money so crushing his car would have little effect. His offences are also many times over the limit so the worst of offenders

But locking him up might change his pattern

[oldrider]

The car crushing is an idea borne of frustration because the "authorities" don't know what to do!
The main objective is to get the drink drivers to sop their behaviour and to save innocent lives and injuries.
The objective will take a long time to achieve just by trying to change behaviours by asking offenders to think first, before they drive!
One easy way to begin the process would be to invoke the laws we already have.
This is made difficult because there are not enough police and smart arse lawyers and dumb judges fuck up the work the police do and when police are effective and get their work completed the judges let them off and corrections give them a holiday in prison!
No body cares so the drunks just keep on keeping on doing what they do......because they can!
Crushing cars is just a knee jerk reaction by people who don't know what else to say or do................just do your job, is all it really takes, damn it! :mellow:

[SMOKEU]

Car crushing is a bad idea. If the recidivist offenders know that their car is going to eventually get crushed, then they will drive $100 de-registered piece of shit cars that haven't been road legal for the last 10 years. It's only a $100 loss to them, then they can buy another $100 car and the cycle repeats itself many times.

[Blackflagged]

It would not have, stopped this tragedy(Car Crushing). In fact , it would make some more likely to do runners. Maybe some sort of Barrier system at Drink drive check points may help.
Crushing cars is just political, to get the red neck vote. Especially if they can just buy another.

[EJK]

I heard you'll need 3 strikes to get your car crushed.

3 is enough warnings. Crush those mofos.

[Spuds1234]

Crush drink drivers

There I fixed that for you. You had to many words.

Its probably fair to say that after 5 convictions that they arnt going to learn their lessons so why not solve the problem permanently?

[Pedrostt500]

It seems to me that to offten Drink drivers / Dangerious drivers, get off on a minimal lose of licence, should not the minimal lose of licence be set at 1 year and 1 day, this would see the offender have to fully resit their licence.
New Zealand seems to have a very big Drink Drive culture, may be the question should be asked why this is so, and what EDUCATION rather than Legislation should be implimented around this, yes we still need the legislation to back up the education for those that refuse to be educated.

[paturoa]

Car crushing is a bad idea. If the recidivist offenders know that their car is going to eventually get crushed, then they will drive $100 de-registered piece of shit cars that haven't been road legal for the last 10 years. It's only a $100 loss to them, then they can buy another $100 car and the cycle repeats itself many times.

I rekon:
- automatic confiscation on second offense and sell them, proceeds to ACC.
- automatic prison on 3rd (3 strikes and your out-a-here!!!)

Your right in that a percentage of scum would avoid, but that is no reason to not do it at all.

[Pedrostt500]

I rekon:
- automatic confiscation on second offense and sell them, proceeds to ACC.
- automatic prison on 3rd (3 strikes and your out-a-here!!!)

Your right in that a percentage of scum would avoid, but that is no reason to not do it at all.

How about instaed of the FAT BASTARDS at ACC getting any money it goes to the victims of drink drivers.

[EJK]

There wont be enough to go around.


Govt: "Sorry about the loss of your son. Our government has a new scheme that we pay compensation to the victims of drink drivers. We've crushed those drunk driver's cars to fund the compensation. Here is your $21.48. We've given generously to the others too."

[pritch]

Car crushing is a bad idea. If the recidivist offenders know that their car is going to eventually get crushed, then they will drive $100 de-registered piece of shit cars that haven't been road legal for the last 10 years. It's only a $100 loss to them, then they can buy another $100 car and the cycle repeats itself many times.

The few I know operated pretty much like that. If you crushed the car, they'd have another bomb next benefit day.
At least we'd have got a wreck off the road though.

[pzkpfw]

"14th conviction for repeat drink driver"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3481735/14th-conviction-for-repeat-drink-driver


Richard Steven Rowe, 46, of the Bay of Plenty, is in custody awaiting sentencing in April for his latest drink-driving conviction. He faces up to two years' jail and disqualification from driving for more than a year.

The disqualification is obviously meaningless, and "up to" 2 years in jail?

He should be there already.

[Mudfart]

alcoholism is a disease apparently, does that make smoking a disease too? how do the two differentiate?

[pzkpfw]

alcoholism is a disease apparently, does that make smoking a disease too? how do the two differentiate?

For both, I recommend amputation.

[duckonin]

Ten lashes of the rotan, no less.....Then we look at who drives again....

[Pedrostt500]

"14th conviction for repeat drink driver"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3481735/14th-conviction-for-repeat-drink-driver



The disqualification is obviously meaningless, and "up to" 2 years in jail?

He should be there already.

Niether is jail for those who do not give a fuck about any one else and not even them selves.

[scumdog]

Certainly has its merits ,but, in some cases, crushing the car could cause further hardship for family members of the drunk driver. .

I could say "the ferkin' waste of space should have though of that before getting pinged for DIC".


But I won't...:shutup:

[scumdog]

Well I think crushing cars is moronic
sell them to wreckers for parts is much more sensible. Crushing is such a waste. Also are you going to crush someone else's car they are driving.
I know a guy who has been done 7 times for drunk driving and they still havnt put him inside (and he is surprised himself) he has money so crushing his car would have little effect. His offences are also many times over the limit so the worst of offenders

But locking him up might change his pattern

Gouge his eyes out.

He won't be caught an 8th time.

[Pedrostt500]

alcoholism is a disease apparently, does that make smoking a disease too? how do the two differentiate?

Both are a learned Behaviour, though both Alcohol and Nicotene can be addictive, There is a difference in the mind set of an Ex alcholic and a Non drinker, The ex alcoholic has thoughts about drinking, regardless how long since the last drink, the non drinker never or rearly thinks about drinking, there is the same difference between an ex-smoker and a non-smoker.

[pzkpfw]

Niether is jail for those who do not give a fuck about any one else and not even them selves.

It might not be a detterent, but if the guy had gone inside after the 2nd offence, he might not have committed the other 12 offences.

[Genestho]

Niether is jail for those who do not give a fuck about any one else and not even them selves.

It keeps him away from your wife, your children who are sharing the same road!

[spajohn]

Much better idea to get some money for the car, but selling it needs to be a bit more controlled than a 1$ reserve on Trademe...what's to stop their mates buying it back for them etc? Selling to people that pass a background check would have too many issues to make it practical methinks, so maybe wrecking for parts is the best.

Oh, and jail the bastards!

[oldrider]

"14th conviction for repeat drink driver"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3481735/14th-conviction-for-repeat-drink-driver

The disqualification is obviously meaningless, and "up to" 2 years in jail?

He should be there already.


The above quoted post tells the whole "repeat drunk driver" story really!

It is patently obvious that a lot of people who probably consider themselves to be pillars of society, are just not doing their jobs correctly!

Public attention is being focussed on the wrong ingredient of the saga!

Replace these so called "pillars of society" with competent, committed and persistent people, who do the job they are paid for and crushing cars would not even be a topic of discussion.

This article http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3481735/14th-conviction-for-repeat-drink-driver is an indictment upon our society and it is orchestrated by the do-gooders and otherwise upright incompetents who "allow" this to happen!

Someone must be responsible and accountable, so root them out of their cushy positions and replace them with someone that will do their job properly! :brick:

[Toaster]

One of the options being considered is confiscation and sale of the offender's car. Yes families do suffer and maybe something can be done for them. It could be an idea to contact your local MP and offer your own suggestions, especially if you are personally affected by the proposal.

Racidivist drink drivers will continue to drive regardless until they are physically prevented from doing so.

It may be that those connected to the offender end up being able to apply some family responsibility and peer pressure. Always, there are others affected by crimes and drink driving. Victims have families too and they suffer so much and often for years, if not their entire lives.

This country is soft and it is about time offenders and those that should be held accountable for their actions got what they deserved. One guy was in the paper the other day for his 14th conviction..... disqualification does not work for these types. Jail and lost of vehicle is a good way to ensure they do not make victims out of us. Loss of vehicle, well, is it not about time offenders started really feeling the financial pain and inconvenience caused to the victims and their loved ones face every day?

[Toaster]

I could say "the ferkin' waste of space should have though of that before getting pinged for DIC".


But I won't...:shutup:

I did. Stuff them. May they feel all the loss and inconvenience and pain their victims do.

[Edbear]

It may be that those connected to the offender end up being able to apply some family responsibility and peer pressure. Always, there are others affected by crimes and drink driving. Victims have families too and they suffer so much and often for years, if not their entire lives.

This country is soft and it is about time offenders and those that should be held accountable for their actions got what they deserved. One guy was in the paper the other day for his 14th conviction..... disqualification does not work for these types. Jail and lost of vehicle is a good way to ensure they do not make victims out of us. Loss of vehicle, well, is it not about time offenders started really feeling the financial pain and inconvenience caused to the victims and their loved ones face every day?

I agree that there are provisions under current law that are not being pursued to the extent possible, but the attitude of the courts does appear to be hardening, albeit too slowly for my liking.

The problem with families, read, partners in many cases, is that they simply do not have any influence over the offender who is usually male and agressive if opposed. As I said, racidivist offenders simply will not stop until they are physically stopped and care nothing for the law or the concerns of their families as evidenced by the number who have their kids in the car with them when they are pulled over.

It's not an easy problem to solve for the partners who still need a vehicle to function, so the only way really is to lock up the offender with forced rehabilitation, dry them out, and of course revoke their licence indefinitely with a further automatic term of imprisonment for each time they are caught behind the wheel. Eventually they may get the message but we are talking about alcoholics here who need to be treated as such as well, not just as driving offenders.

[BiK3RChiK]

They should have to do hard labour for their victims. Go around and waterblast the house, prune the trees, do the lawns for 6 months, and other odd jobs that take some sweat. All supervised or monitored so that it doesn't become a soft option. Jail for 3 time offenders.

And stuffed if I'd be dropping everything and rushing round for a disqualified member of my family! They had better get off their butt and take the bus, walk or get a pushbike... If it's their problem, let it be their consequence! And they better not do that again either, cause there might be some added consequences!

[Skyryder]

I think Cain or was it Abel....................no it was God who had the right idea. Put a tat on their forehead 'I'm a drunk driver' or some icon taht says the same and any one who so much as gives them alcohol gets there car crushed.

Ya got admit sometimes God does get it right.


Skyryder

[Bikemad]

hey man!!!!!!!!!!!.......i was a boy racer once.............ok so it was a 52 morri oxford 1475 cc of pure english flathead power!!!!!!!!!!!........60 mph plus with a tailwind.............magic days....
now im all grown up...........i think theres a huge oppurtunity for a TV reality show...........catch em,confiscate the cars,then when we got twenty or so make em demo derby them till theres one left............id watch that show...........

[rwh]

Its in the paper today. the suggestion is that as soon as the breath test is failed, the cops can take the car keys out of the ignition. THAT SOUNDS BLOODY SENSIBLE!!!!!

I don't like the idea of having my hand inside the car when the driver decides to do a runner ...

It's also tricky if the car keys aren't on the right hand side of the steering column, or if the car doesn't require keys at all.

Richard

[Bald Eagle]

I don't like the idea of having my hand inside the car when the driver decides to do a runner ...

It's also tricky if the car keys aren't on the right hand side of the steering column, or if the car doesn't require keys at all.

Richard

Been there done that , it wasn't funny

[Mudfart]

its all good arguement for drinks and smokers having photo ID licenses required for purchases.
How ever there is light at the end of the tunnel, I've been reading reports about Govt looking at banning these "de-evolving society" products in the next 10-15 years.
Clean green NZ-yeah baby.

[duckonin]

hey man!!!!!!!!!!!.......i was a boy racer once.............ok so it was a 52 morri oxford 1475 cc of pure english flathead power!!!!!!!!!!!........60 mph plus with a tailwind.............magic days....
now im all grown up...........i think theres a huge oppurtunity for a TV reality show...........catch em,confiscate the cars,then when we got twenty or so make em demo derby them till theres one left............id watch that show...........

Mine was a 52 morrie minor and yep just make it to 60mph, hole in the exhaust rev rev ha ha ...

[Edbear]

Mine was a 52 morrie minor and yep just make it to 60mph, hole in the exhaust rev rev ha ha ...

Well, mine was a 1950 Bradford, all 2-cyl and 8hp with a top speed of 38mph and rod-actuated brakes! I tore up Auckland streets in that! However I upgraded to a 1959 CA Bedford with a 1500cc motor and 3-sp column shift that would do an indicated 60mph! Great fun on gravel roads back in the day!