Broadband

[Urano]

I hope to post in the right section...

I was only wondering... how do you connect to the net?
i've looked for some offer by phone operators, but they seems to me a bit complicate and really different from what i have here...

it seems that all have restrictions on data trasfer... how much do you use for normal surfing? i've never had idea on how much data i transfer...
is it possible there to have a naked line, with only data and no voice?

thanks for clarifications...


(just to compare, i now have a flat contract with no data/time restriction, but limited in speed at 4 Mbps in download and 384 kbps in up, at about 50 nz$ per month plus 25 cent flat for any landline call, plus the total price of mobile calls. the line is adsl on the normal phone line, then mine netgear router connects wifi both the macs, mine and my wife's one...)

[CookMySock]

just to compare, i now have a flat contract with no data/time restriction, but limited in speed at 4 Mbps in download and 384 kbps in up, at about 50 nz$ per month plus 25 cent flat for any landline call, plus the total price of mobile calls. the line is adsl on the normal phone line, then mine netgear router connects wifi both the macs, mine and my wife's one...You would find very similar here, for approximately the same price. There are specialist wireless suppliers who will go a lot faster, and there are some a lot slower.

Steve

[jono035]

ADSL is the only real option here for most people, most of the wireless providers are in very small, specific areas (rural) and tend to be expensive and slow.

Here there isn't much segmentation based on speed, only data transfer normally. My ISP offers uncapped ADSL2+ (20mbit down, 1mbit up) which is easily achieved for local sites, international can vary between 5mbit and 0.5mbit depending on the time of day, but it's completely usable for browsing, watching youtube without interruption etc.

My current plan costs me NZ$140 per month for phone line, uncapped ADSL2 and 55GB of data transfer, which is pretty excessive. Depending on whether you download movies/tv shows or spend a lot of time streaming videos/music then browsing will likely take up less than 5GB a month, tops.

It is possible to get naked ADSL (no phone line) but generally it only saves around $10 a month or gets you a bit of extra download cap so I haven't bothered with it.

Looking at the Orcon wesbite, $70/month appears to be their lowest price plan, which is phone, uncapped ADSL and 1GB data.

Hope that answers your question.

[disenfranchised]

My current plan costs me NZ$140 per month for phone line, uncapped ADSL2 and 55GB of data transfer, which is pretty excessive. Depending on whether you download movies/tv shows or spend a lot of time streaming videos/music then browsing will likely take up less than 5GB a month, tops.

Really...$140? That sounds insanely expensive.
I will shamelessly plug Slingshot because I work for them. You could get a very similar package from them from around $100.

[firefighter]

Really...$140? That sounds insanely expensive.
I will shamelessly plug Slingshot because I work for them. You could get a very similar package from them from around $100.

I pay 90/month for phone and 20GB with Snap. Would I get a better deal at Slingshot? I did look at other providers (including Slingshot) at the same time and for 20GB with any other provider was at least $20 more expensive.......

What would I pay for that now?

[GOONR]

Im naked! with Xnet (http://www.xnet.co.nz/fusion/) $70 per month. You don't get any data with that, it's only $1(ish) per gig. Don't think I've been over $90 for a months bill.

Edit: Thats ADSL2 too, with no speed caps.

[firefighter]

Im naked! with Xnet (http://www.xnet.co.nz/fusion/) $70 per month. You don't get any data with that, it's only $1(ish) per gig. Don't think I've been over $90 for a months bill.

Edit: Thats ADSL2 too, with no speed caps.


Including phone? Or were you not replying to me? lol

[spajohn]

There is a consumer report here from November 2009 which compares providers customer service and their plans.
http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/broadband-internet

You can also use http://speedtest.net/ for free to check your current connection speed and it is optional for users to rate their ISP so you can make comparisons. Looks they don't have a Wellington hub now though and it's not giving me many any comparisons, but maybe that works better for the jaffas up there.

[hayd3n]

SLINGSHOT
adsl 2
25gb month
50 for broad band
and 44 for phone line
free downloading between 2am and 7am
data banking (all remaining broadband adds onto next month)

[GOONR]

Including phone? Or were you not replying to me? lol

yup that includes the phone, it's voip so ya need the right hardware.

Wasn't really replying to anyone, just chucking in my two pence worth. :)

[bogan]

Really...$140? That sounds insanely expensive.
I will shamelessly plug Slingshot because I work for them. You could get a very similar package from them from around $100.

Was with slingshot last year, crap tech support (hope that not the bit you're in!) internet was down for almost 3 weeks :shit: though we did get a refund for half the months bill.

Now I'll shamelessly plug thinking outside the box! Current flat has a wireless link to mates house 400m away ($400 worth of wireless equipment), phone through a voip adapter, think we pay half of thier internet bill, which is $25 for 10gig. But I also get unlimited downloads of linux distros by Remote Desktoping through an SSH tunnel (took bout 8hrs to learn what on was and how to set it up!) to my brothers flat (same city and like linux anyway) who has the xtra big time plan, which is ADSL2 and downloading at 1.4Mb per sec the other day.

[SMOKEU]

I've got a cable connection with Telstra. It's very reliable, although if a problem does occur be prepared to wait on the phone all day long to get in touch with customer services.

[meteor]

$90 for unlimited national landline calls, home phone, ADSL (wireless) with 20 GB/month via Vodafone and they gave me a free mobile and sim card to go with them. Useage is usualy around 7 or 8 gig a month surfing watching vids mail etc.

[jono035]

$80/month for the base plan (phone, ADSL2+, call waiting/caller ID/voicemail, 5GB download) and an extra $50/month for the extra 50GB.

[Spuds1234]

Really...$140? That sounds insanely expensive.
I will shamelessly plug Slingshot because I work for them. You could get a very similar package from them from around $100.

Yea but everyone I've spoken to about them say that they are shit, and in my experience with them I'm inclined to agree.

[Dadpole]

You fortunate sods. My only option is satellite at $130 per month for 1GB. Phone is extra. Needless to say, I use dialup.:zzzz:

[Urano]

Current flat has a wireless link to mates house 400m away ($400 worth of wireless equipment), phone through a voip adapter, think we pay half of thier internet bill, which is $25 for 10gig.

uh... is it possible there to share the same line?
i mean, i have the adsl, build up a wifi net and 2/3 families share the line...
here's forbidden.... :( :( :(


You fortunate sods. My only option is satellite at $130 per month for 1GB. Phone is extra. Needless to say, I use dialup.:zzzz:

not even 3g?


so, you don't have possibility to subscribe a "time" contract? 30 h per month, 100 h per month... stuff like that...

[hayd3n]

Yea but everyone I've spoken to about them say that they are shit, and in my experience with them I'm inclined to agree.

dont mock it till ya tried it

[jono035]

uh... is it possible there to share the same line?
i mean, i have the adsl, build up a wifi net and 2/3 families share the line...
here's forbidden.... :( :( :(

Yep, completely possible.

That is one of the advantages of being billed by the gigabyte, it allows the ISPs to actually charge based on costs to them, so they don't care about whether you have 1 computer or 30 on the connection generally. You pay more money, you get more data.

Also, for the record, with ISPs you definitely get what you pay for. All ISPs oversell their bandwidth, so for every 100 customers (who could in theory use 20mbit each for a total of 2gbit) the might only have 10mbit total bandwidth, using the assumption that not everyone will be using it at the same time and allowing them to keep costs down and profits up. Generally, if you pay more, you at least have the possibility of getting an ISP that has more bandwidth per customer meaning at peak times you will get faster speeds, even though they're all technically ADSL2. I was on vodafone a while back and this was their problem, really crap speeds even when you're on their 'fast' connections. Same with Slingshot from memory, don't know anyone technically competent currently on Xnet to ask.

[CookMySock]

uh... is it possible there to share the same line? i mean, i have the adsl, build up a wifi net and 2/3 families share the line...Yes, you can do that here. You can even re-sell it if you want.

Steve

[Urano]

Yep, completely possible.
That is one of the advantages of being billed by the gigabyte, it allows the ISPs to actually charge based on costs to them, so they don't care about whether you have 1 computer or 30 on the connection generally. You pay more money, you get more data.

this is a great possibility... here is not because of high average intelligence of local politicians...
so the problem is, HEAR YOU ALL: "terrorism"!
yep!
here they've brewed a very savvy law, in regard of which you are responsible of all the data transfer on your net, and if your net is accessible to anybody else than you then you should have all the information about him (name, surname, dob, fiscal code...)
so you have the option of do your own business and pay for your line, or break the law and open your wifi network sharing it with your neighbor, but you have to hope that he will not chat with Osama or decide to make a funny joke and print on your network printer detailed bomb instructions, or you'll be persecuted as responsible...
this is obviously a great problem with bars and clubs which wants to put a wifi net for their customers.... in fact nobody does...

everybody knows it was a rule asked from isps, 'cause we have contracts with no data or time limits, so you could be "always on" with the only restriction of a bandwitdh (mine is 4 Mbps, 24/7)...

[jono035]

this is a great possibility... here is not because of high average intelligence of local politicians...
so the problem is, HEAR YOU ALL: "terrorism"!
yep!
here they've brewed a very savvy law, in regard of which you are responsible of all the data transfer on your net, and if your net is accessible to anybody else than you then you should have all the information about him (name, surname, dob, fiscal code...)
so you have the option of do your own business and pay for your line, or break the law and open your wifi network sharing it with your neighbor, but you have to hope that he will not chat with Osama or decide to make a funny joke and print on your network printer detailed bomb instructions, or you'll be persecuted as responsible...
this is obviously a great problem with bars and clubs which wants to put a wifi net for their customers.... in fact nobody does...

everybody knows it was a rule asked from isps, 'cause we have contracts with no data or time limits, so you could be "always on" with the only restriction of a bandwitdh (mine is 4 Mbps, 24/7)...

I agree that this is a problem, however it is more like a toll road vs an open road and taxing everyone equally, the argument in that respect has nothing to do with who or what is actually using it.

There is already precedent in NZ for people not being responsible for what others do on their internet connection and that the ISPs are not responsible for policing it.

[Spuds1234]

dont mock it till ya tried it

I had tried them and they were shit compared to Orcon.

[Ronin]

dont mock it till ya tried it

I deal with ISP's on a daily basis. I may just strangle my next customer who says they use slingshot. They are by far and away the single worst support desk I have ever dealt with.

3 weeks of countless calls
2 Modems
Change of filters
1 Brain Hemorrhage

To get them to admit that there "May" be a problem with the clients line.

[scracha]

I deal with ISP's on a daily basis. I may just strangle my next customer who says they use slingshot. They are by far and away the single worst support desk I have ever dealt with.

3 weeks of countless calls
2 Modems
Change of filters
1 Brain Hemorrhage

To get them to admit that there "May" be a problem with the clients line.

Moi tool...they're truly shit. Still....if you're semi technically competent and a light user then you can't really beat $25 per month. Telstra somehow manage to be both shit and expensive. This sort of bollocks occasionally happens with Xtra too though. Got one poor sod been charged twice for Chorus to come out and basically not do their job properly.



You fortunate sods. My only option is satellite at $130 per month for 1GB. Phone is extra. Needless to say, I use dialup
Tried XT mobile or a vodem? Also check out Kordia wireless (no8wireless.co.nz are bloody good), orcon.co.nz (service ain't as good as it used to be), etc). Failing that, then Satellite is indeed your only option unless some other company is providing wifi or wimax in your area. Dunno where you're getting $130 though as you'll pay about $70, Farmside's service has went down the shitter IMHO but I've heard good stuff from my customers using Wirelessnation.co.nz, just don't go over your usage allowance! Satellite has huge latency though.