How to defend an 'alleged' drunk driver

[rustic101]

Simple put the problem onto the Govt. Lets not worry about personal responsibility or parental guidance.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3483649/Charges-delayed-in-fatal-Blenheim-crash

Mr STUBBS stated

Mr Stubbs said he was "horrified" the Government had not raised the alcohol purchase age from 18 to 20 and it was worrying how easily teenagers and young adults could access alcohol.

"They've put a loaded gun in kids' hands."

:argh:

O did I mention Mr STUBBS is an associate at Lundons Law...

[Ronin]

Simple put the problem onto the Govt. Lets not worry about personal responsibility or parental guidance.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3483649/Charges-delayed-in-fatal-Blenheim-crash

Mr STUBBS stated

Mr Stubbs said he was "horrified" the Government had not raised the alcohol purchase age from 18 to 20 and it was worrying how easily teenagers and young adults could access alcohol.

"They've put a loaded gun in kids' hands."

:argh:

O did I mention Mr STUBBS is an associate at Lundons Law...

That would make sense. The gummint also held a gun to his daughters head and forced her to drive. They then, and this is the clever part 'cos they had to fit all 120 MP's in her car, convinced her to do a runner.

[breakaway]

How to defend an 'alleged' Drunk Driver

I'd be very surprised if she avoided conviction altogether. But the law is surprisingly accomodating of people who kill/maim (even with intent) so don't expect much.

[neels]

I read this in the paper today, and thought ummmm, doesn't it says she's 20 and therefore it doesn't matter if the drinking age is 18 or 20 she's can still buy booze in order to drive drunk.

Can't see what relevance that comment has to her doing a runner and killing someone.

[pritch]

I'd be very surprised if she avoided conviction altogether. But the law is surprisingly accomodating of people who kill/maim (even with intent) so don't expect much.

I'd be pissed off if she got diversion. Pissed off, but not exactly surprised...

[rustic101]

What tickled me was that:

"She accepts she's made a terrible decision."

"Our family is massively impacted ... This is a nightmare and I don't know how it will end."

Well Mr STUBBS who gives a fat rats arse how she or your family feel!!! What about the victim and her family, how the Fark does STUBBS think they feel and the trauma they are dealing with and will continue with every day for the rest of their lives...

[Muppet]

I'd be pissed off if she got diversion. Pissed off, but not exactly surprised...

You can't get diversion for Driving with Excess Breath Alcohol Concentration, but granted, the beak will give her a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket. I predict a disqualification of 12 to 18 months with fine of $1000, sorry what did you say? What about gaol?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:, sorry cough cough splutter!! and the now standard "there has to be a deterrent factor in the sentencing/an example must be made /these actions are at the upper level of offending" state of the nation speech by the beak knowing the camera's will be on him or even her. There'll be the usual outcry blah blah blah and I see the police are getting the 'blame' and are reviewing checkpoint procedures, oh well more training and less time on the road.

[Harvd]

I'd be pissed off if she got diversion. Pissed off, but not exactly surprised...

I would be bloody furious, i got a mate who smashed a window while extremely pissed, his fault yes but got charged with buglary as he took some of the material out of the shop window, no diversion even though he has a spotless record and has done all the things asked of him, paid for the window next working day, gone to alcohol counciling sessions etc.

If this lady didnt get some jail then there is some serious problems with our 'justice' system, not that we arnt all aware of them already.

[scumdog]

Hmmm, watch this space I guess......and watch me cynicism develop further.

[oldrider]

I'd be pissed off if she got diversion. Pissed off, but not exactly surprised...

You and me both pritch, it's amazing how it's all about the perpetrators family and "their" trauma, never mind the victim and her family!

Stubbs broke the law and should be punished accordingly after that we might be able to work on the forgiveness bit.

A pound to a knob of goat shit says she will get off lightly, thanks to daddy and his connections, should be charged with manslaughter at the very least! IMHO.

[R6_kid]

Her mother is a nurse and her father is a lawyer - two professions that get tied up with drunk drivers all the time are witness to both the physical trauma and the psychological scars it can leave on both sides of the situation. You'd think they would have taught her better than that!

[Smifffy]

Perhaps she thought it was for the greater good?

[Mully]

her father is a lawyer - You'd think they would have taught her better than that!

Do what now?

I would have expected better from the mother, but I'm not surprised that the Dad is trying to deflect blame.

[rainman]

Stubbs broke the law and should be punished accordingly after that we might be able to work on the forgiveness bit.

Too true. I'm all for people making mistakes as a means of learning, and not being crucified for them - but some mistakes are big enough that the slapping should happen before the forgiving.


A pound to a knob of goat shit says she will get off lightly, thanks to daddy and his connections, should be charged with manslaughter at the very least! IMHO.

Sadly, also too true. :(

[Okey Dokey]

I heard him on national radio this morning, in addition to "blaming" the lowering of the alcohol age and alco-pops, he claimed his daughter had a "brain explosion" when pulled over by the police at the checkpoint...

[Genestho]

You and me both pritch, it's amazing how it's all about the perpetrators family and "their" trauma, never mind the victim and her family!

Stubbs broke the law and should be punished accordingly after that we might be able to work on the forgiveness bit.



Mmmmm a long standing case over the death of Debbie Ashton: "However, Barclay does have an extensive history of offending, which includes a recall to prison after previously offending while on parole.

Barclay says he would meet Ashton's family as part of the restorative justice process and feels he should answer any questions they might have.

The family has said it is considering restorative justice, but believes it should be done once Barclay is released.
The board says while it is the family's decision, "it might be more helpful, if they are willing, for that meeting to be held now rather than later as part of Mr Barclay's progress to a better life".

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/barclay-denied-parole-3428225

If there's no substance to sentencing of recidivist drink drivers for killing where intent via drink drive conviction history - surely must come into question, I doubt very much there'll be much to this Stubbs case either, no doubt police will be investigated because it'll be "all their fault".

So again we see see more wastage of life. Such a damn shame, my heart goes out to the family, and those 5 children, who will never see their Mum again, and while we sit here with our opinions, they will be preparing for the final goodbye which will resound through the rest of their lives.

[R6_kid]

I heard him on national radio this morning, in addition to "blaming" the lowering of the alcohol age and alco-pops, he claimed his daughter had a "brain explosion" when pulled over by the police at the checkpoint...

It's ok. What he really needs to say is that she didn't know she was breaking the law and that she was acting for the greater good - it works for multi-million dollar vandals, why not for drunk drivers too?

[Flip]

Typical action for a Lawyer to blame others, its all smoke and mirrors. His drunk adult daughter killed another driver on the road, well she can just do time now.

My heart goes out to the family of the lady who died.

[russd7]

pleased im not a cop, damned if they do,damned if they don't, first i heard of this was the cops getting blamed for chasing her, had they let her go and she then went on to kill someone and the press found out that they had let her get away it would still be their fault,when is society gonna wake up and smell the roses and start making people responsible for their actions and stop blaming everyone else. hell we have all made mistakes but when i was youngish when i got a ticket (which were quite numerous) i also got a kick up the arse when the folks found out which they did with most of them since they also new the local cops at the time.

[been_there]

Blame it on that and this....is utter bullshit

FFS the chick that did this is responsible alone. How and why is really not the issue, the fact remains that she made a choice/decision that changed a whole lot of peoples lives for the worst!!!
As a parent you want to stick up for your child, but blaming things after the fact, when they are not the cause....blamestorming time...
Dude wake the fuck up its not a dream your daughter has fucked up majorily, dont put out BS that will affect the greiving family of the person killed..

rant over

[bluelight]

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/family-call-changes-drink-drive-checks-01-41-video-3428131

The last statement from the father sums it up really.

His daughter killed an innocent person while drink driving but "she isn't a criminal".

So tell me, what the f*** makes someone a criminal?

[Old Steve]

Geez, sometimes you just want to take someone down a dark alley with a baseball bat in your hand. This young criminelle would seem to be a suitable candidate for some "re-education" - Daddy's pleadings aside.

[Smifffy]

So the chick was pissed and is stupid, so she fucks up a family's life. What's dad's excuse?

[MarkH]

I read this in the paper today, and thought ummmm, doesn't it says she's 20 and therefore it doesn't matter if the drinking age is 18 or 20 she's can still buy booze in order to drive drunk.

Can't see what relevance that comment has to her doing a runner and killing someone.

+1

The dickhead lawyer/father said something like: blah blah look over there *runs*
or something to that effect IMO.



The last statement from the father sums it up really.

His daughter killed an innocent person while drink driving but "she isn't a criminal".

So tell me, what the f*** makes someone a criminal?

Well until they make vehicular manslaughter a crime . . . umm, wait on!
If she gets charged and found guilty she will indeed literally be a criminal.

[MaxB]

Maybe her behaviour is a reflection of how she was brought up?

Oh yea look at how the dad is acting now.