So it is all over?

[Conquiztador]

Not much happening? Everyone moved on? New challenges? ACC is old news?

Ah well, was fun while it lasted.

[chester]

could start a waving thread. :shutup:

[bogan]

waiting till the big november one, not really much to do in between, unless other announcments or opportunities arise.

[Ixion]

Auckland , last week of June. When the first new rego demands go out. Other areas if BRONZ can get local buyin. Hold that thought .

[bogan]

Auckland , last week of June. When the first new rego demands go out. Other areas if BRONZ can get local buyin. Hold that thought .

I'm in, for a welli one not the auckland one ;)

[Maha]

There is a meeting on the very subject to be held this weekend...a number of the core group (in Auckland at least) have had most weekends filled since the begining of the year but things have settled down now. Momentum is about to gather yet again.

[PrincessBandit]

could start a waving thread. :shutup:

How about a nodding one, you know, just for a bit of variation?

it's annoying how "life" takes over again and all the momentum you have for a project/issue peters away - but that will be what the b**tards in the b**hive will be counting on, sitting patiently with their bureaucratic steamroller to flatten the last dregs of resistance.

[Scuba_Steve]

time for a Coup d'état yet???

[R6_kid]

When do we start setting stuff on fire?

[avgas]

......they don't get money if you don't pay......

[mashman]

......they don't get money if you don't pay......

but then ACC will be short of funds (affecting people) and will burn any reputation that bikers have earned.

[Conquiztador]

Well, for what it is worth: I am still pissed off re what is happening.

But lets see if I can put it in a way that would get ALL bikers pissed off also:

"I am pissed off that bikers are separated from the general motoring public and are paying more than anyone else. I am pissed off that bikers are the only ones who have to pay more ACC for bigger engines. And I am pissed off that none of the money that is gathered from bikers is used to train bikers so that the accidents will drop".

THAT is what I, as a biker, am pissed off about. And THAT is what I think ALL bikers can agree on.

Don't get all the other crap included, it will only devide us.

[rustic101]

Maybe we need to adopted this guys approach....

http://www.screwedbyacc.co.nz

[bogan]

Thats about where i'm at too, it was about protesting on behalf of all NZ'rs to make sure we all got a better deal, virtually nobody except bikers payed attention, understood, or stood up. So now its just about bikers (imo).

Though trying to get non-bikers on side didnt work, it was worth trying, and has damaged our cause at all.

[The Stranger]

When do we start setting stuff on fire?

Why tomorrow night of course.

[Conquiztador]

Sorry all. After a read of what I did write I realised that I got one bit wrong. I have here corrected it the way it should be:


Well, for what it is worth: I am still pissed off re what is happening.

But lets see if I can put it in a way that would get ALL bikers pissed off also:

"I am pissed off that bikers are separated from the general motoring public and are paying more than anyone else. I am pissed off that bikers are the only ones who have to pay more ACC for bigger engines. And I am pissed off that none of the money that is gathered from bikers is used to educate the cage drivers or to make the roads more biker frindly so that there will be less biker accidents".

THAT is what I, as a biker, am pissed off about. And THAT is what I think ALL bikers can agree on.

Don't get all the other crap included, it will only devide us.

Yep. Thats what I will fight for.

Now, when are we getting 10,000 bikers to tell them that this, and nothing else, is what we want!

[_Shrek_]

waiting till the big november one, not really much to do in between, unless other announcments or opportunities arise.

:shit: November why are we waiting that long I thought that the levies were going up in July


Well, for what it is worth: I am still pissed off re what is happening.

But lets see if I can put it in a way that would get ALL bikers pissed off also:

"I am pissed off that bikers are separated from the general motoring public and are paying more than anyone else. I am pissed off that bikers are the only ones who have to pay more ACC for bigger engines. And I am pissed off that none of the money that is gathered from bikers is used to train bikers so that the accidents will drop".

THAT is what I, as a biker, am pissed off about. And THAT is what I think ALL bikers can agree on.

Don't get all the other crap included, it will only devide us.

well said so if we are all poissed off why not let them know before the price hike, :soon:

[MadDuck]

No! Its not over.....

[MadDuck]

Auckland , last week of June. When the first new rego demands go out. Other areas if BRONZ can get local buyin. Hold that thought .

So are BRONZ going to let their paid up members know or do they all have to come to KB to find out?

[Ixion]

That is why they have regular meetings! Every month 3 Ed Wednesday. As it hath been time out of mind. And why they send out email newsletters to all those who have put down an email address . Every month.

[MadDuck]

That is why they have regular meetings! Every month 3 Ed Wednesday. As it hath been time out of mind. And why they send out email newsletters to all those who have put down an email address . Every month.

Ok so short answer is we have to come on to KB to find out what Auckland BRONZ is planning. Thats cool so when the subs are due I will give them to SpankMe for this site.

[hayd3n]

Sorry all. After a read of what I did write I realised that I got one bit wrong. I have here corrected it the way it should be:



Yep. Thats what I will fight for.

Now, when are we getting 10,000 bikers to tell them that this, and nothing else, is what we want!

true that!!!

[Conquiztador]

PLEASE: This is in NO WAY a personal attack.

The ones who have put their hands up as our leaders, we, the humble followers, are getting restless. We are wanting some guidance. We are looking for a sign.
But nothing is happening.

So either this was a false hope, or we will look for a new Messiah.

What will it be?

[The Stranger]

Ok so short answer is we have to come on to KB to find out what Auckland BRONZ is planning. Thats cool so when the subs are due I will give them to SpankMe for this site.

Come on Ixion. I can't see any reason why you can't call on each of the members personally at a time of their choosing to give them weekly updates. It's a small price to pay.

[pc220]

but then ACC will be short of funds (affecting people) and will burn any reputation that bikers have earned.

Are you serious?. Rolling over and paying up will achieve nothing. A majority of registered bikes going on hold is needed. Suddenly the increased revenue predicted by ACC will become even lower than the current levels.$$$$$$ or lack thereof is all that will force a rethink by the powers that be.

[The Lone Rider]

APEG will have more on the way...

[bogan]

PLEASE: This is in NO WAY a personal attack.

The ones who have put their hands up as our leaders, we, the humble followers, are getting restless. We are wanting some guidance. We are looking for a sign.
But nothing is happening.

So either this was a false hope, or we will look for a new Messiah.

What will it be?

Go over to the Ongoing Discusion Thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/118993-Ongoing-ACC-protest-actions-discussion-thread/page6) and voice some ideas set for when the new regos come into effect, I think the leadership is agreed that something will happen then, just needing ideas on what form it'll take.

[MadDuck]

Come on Ixion. I can't see any reason why you can't call on each of the members personally at a time of their choosing to give them weekly updates. It's a small price to pay.

Funny! I have not received an email from BRONZ since last year. Weekly? Nah but maybe quarterly wouldn't be too much to ask?

Maybe take the foot out of your mouth and shove it somewhere else

[Toaster]

Will be good to see more action on the levies issue. Big numbers for bigger impact and media coverage would be nice. Non-biker support vital. From what I hear ACC has set the levies in stone for the year ahead.

[Conquiztador]

Will be good to see more action on the levies issue. Big numbers for bigger impact and media coverage would be nice. Non-biker support vital. From what I hear ACC has set the levies in stone for the year ahead.

Fuck the non-biker support. I am soo over that, some other group that can't get their shit together is allowed to ride the tide with the bikers, and then producing nothing.

Mobilise the bikers again I say. A noisy no prisoners asault on the whole ACC/government to let them know that we are not playing games.

[bogan]

Fuck the non-biker support. I am soo over that, some other group that can't get their shit together is allowed to ride the tide with the bikers, and then producing nothing.

Mobilise the bikers again I say. A noisy no prisoners asault on the whole ACC/government to let them know that we are not playing games.

true enough, rolling road blocks I reckon, through tunnels if possible, cos that'd sound awesome!

[Maha]

Fuck the non-biker support. I am soo over that, some other group that can't get their shit together is allowed to ride the tide with the bikers, and then producing nothing.



In a way, I agree with that comment, we are Bikers and our time and energy should stay focused and centred on Bikers.

[MadDuck]

As bikers we will get the media attention. Big loud neandathols after all. Not one person I have spoken to about ACC doesnt know about or remember the November ride

[rustyrobot]

I think that focussing on Biker's issues is key, but that without majority support, there is not much chance of change. What is the leverage? PERHAPS 10,000 bikers could be scraped together once or twice a year, but that's hardly enough to worry any politician, let alone one who is still pretty much at the beginning of their term. I think that by really emphasizing that what is happening to bikers is just the tip of the iceberg, we can convince non-bikers to rally behind our cause. If they know that once biker's are targetted then, who knows, maybe social sports groups will be next, people with cars older than 5 years after that, etc. they might make enough noise to rattle a few politicians.

I've been a dirty hippy activist since way back, and the only causes I have ever seen being effective have been those which have been picked up by the majority of the middle-class voting public. Even then, with the majority support that this government has, I don't think they are worried about how they will be polling in a year and a half.

Yes - focus on bikers, yes - support bikers issues, but join the dots for others - so that they will join us.

[bogan]

I think that focussing on Biker's issues is key, but that without majority support, there is not much chance of change. What is the leverage? PERHAPS 10,00 bikers could be scraped together once or twice a year, but that's hardly enough to worry any politician, let alone one who is still pretty much at the beginning of their term. I think that by really emphasizing that what is happening to bikers is just the tip of the iceberg, we can convince non-bikers to rally behind our cause. If they know that once biker's are targetted then, who knows, maybe social sports groups will be next, people with cars older than 5 years after that, etc. they might make enough noise to rattle a few politicians.

I've been a dirty hippy activist since way back, and the only causes I have ever seen being effective have been those which have been picked up by the majority of the middle-class voting public. Even then, with the majority support that this government has, I don't think they are worried about how they will be polling in a year and a half.

Yes - focus on bikers, yes - support bikers issues, but join the dots for others - so that they will join us.

We tried that, nobody else got on board, the huge union protest turned out to be only 50 people, who were outnumbered by the bikers that turned up to show support. So fuck em, 10,000 votes isn't fuck all, but gridlocking major cities with bike protests will get on their nerves.

[MadDuck]

10,000 votes isn't fuck all, but gridlocking major cities with bike protests will get on their nerves.

10,000 people have lets say oh at a guess at least 50 or so mates, family or co-workers. Times that and work out the numbers and maybe they will take notice.

We were told to stay away from Welly in February because it was a union, PSA thing. So guess what? We did. Do we need to gridlock cities and piss the average person off going about their daily business? I am not convinced we do but no doubt I will be shot down.

[Maha]

We tried that, nobody else got on board, the huge union protest turned out to be only 50 people, who were outnumbered by the bikers that turned up to show support. So fuck em, 10,000 votes isn't fuck all, but gridlocking major cities with bike protests will get on their nerves.

Once it starts rolling again, I will particularly interested in how many turn out for protest action this time round?
Have bikers in general accepted the status quo?
Has Nick Smith had the final word?

Im not into pissing off the public either.

[MadDuck]

Has Nick Smith had the final word?

As long as I have breath and a voice that prick wont hear the end of my objections to raping the ACC system!

EDIT: The biggest annoyance for me is my MP is Lockwood Smith. I can not even get a response from his office. One of the biggest electorates on the country and he is neutral.

[Mustek]

Whats the rego for a 900cc going up to???

[Coldrider]

Whats the rego for a 900cc going up to???dunno the total but is going up $175 per annum from the present cost.

[pornoshauno]

Yep looks like this govt is gonna get their way, we're just the little people, bend us over and shaft us at will, use us as a door mat, kick sand in our faces, spike our drinks, shit in our helmets and my favourite as said by Les Mason "Tax us off the roads". Frkn great aye? OK we'll pay your extravagant levy increases...YEAH RIGHT!

[Maha]

Yep looks like this govt is gonna get their way, we're just the little people, bend us over and shaft us at will, use us as a door mat, kick sand in our faces, spike our drinks, shit in our helmets and my favourite as said by Les Mason "Tax us off the roads". Frkn great aye? OK we'll pay your extravagant levy increases...YEAH RIGHT!

Well possibly, but there are some out there that wont lay down and surrender just yet, if ever.
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