DIY and Asbestos [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

BiK3RChiK

24th March 2010, 17:44

I got quite a shock yesterday when I asked a mate to come around and check out a caravan we've been given, as it needs re-furbishing and I wanted his opinion since he's in the trade, kind of...

We talk about the chassis and ceiling and lining and then I ask about the lino on the floor. We've already ripped out all the old carpet and started on the roof lining.

He says, don't touch the lino, it's asbestos backed :shit: and you don't even want to go there!... Same thing goes for older houses etc, etc,....

So, if you do DIY, then for goodness sake, get at least some advice from someone in the know... It could end up saving your butt!.... Thanks Mike ;)

JimO

24th March 2010, 17:54

its ok if you leave it alone

BiK3RChiK

24th March 2010, 18:05

For sure, but not if we were going to get the spade and chip it off! That would've been nasty....

Best advice, leave it alone! You're right...

CookMySock

24th March 2010, 18:28

Can't wait to get it sorted, and tow it all around the north island at 70k's lol.

Steve

Edbear

24th March 2010, 18:54

Can't wait to get it sorted, and tow it all around the north island at 70k's lol.

Steve

G'arn! The Hyosung won't get it up to that speed... :shutup:

Smifffy

24th March 2010, 19:03

I think I would be inclined to either:
a) ditch it and get one guaranteed asbestos free
b) Cover it over with say a layer of ply or something and then another layer of lino or carpet etc.

No way I'd want it lifting/cracking/peeling esp with kids around. There's a reason work sites remove it even from disused buildings.

What did your mate recommend?

Maha

24th March 2010, 19:12

Asbestos is ok if you dont sand it.
The strange about it is, property owners can remove it, but trades people cannot. Just dont cause dust.
Thats the real concern about Asbestos, the fibre.
It only been in recent years that we (as flooring contractors) are no longer permitted to uplift it.
I dont touch the stuff at all now.

Why do you want/need to remove the old lino?
Can you not just lay some other product over it?

CookMySock

24th March 2010, 19:21

Asbestos is ok if you dont sand it.Can we lick it? :blink:

Why do you want/need to remove the old lino? Can you not just lay some other product over it?Yeh pretty much we'll do that.

Steve

Maha

24th March 2010, 19:28

Can we lick it? :blink:

Yeh pretty much we'll do that.

Steve

Its not an ice-creme Steve!......:shutup:

It aint worth dealing with to be honest.
I know of a bloke who was exposed to Asbestos (pipe lagging) for two weeks on a site.
He contracted Asbestosis and years later died as a result of it.

BiK3RChiK

24th March 2010, 19:29

We aren't going to touch it! We'll be putting a new layer of lino over the top of it. All sorted cause our mate is a flooring specialist :niceone:

I was just a bit freaked out when he said it was asbestos backed, hence, the heads up to DIY'rs

Maha

24th March 2010, 19:32

A flooring specialist eh?
Yip listen to those guys, they know what they are on about when it comes to Asbestos Backed Vinyl's.

Good luck with the Caravan.....oh and its 80kph when towing aint it Steve?

AllanB

24th March 2010, 19:34

I can remember being 16 or so changing drum brake pads and blowing out all the dust with a good old puff or two - then hand sanding the drum with a bit of emery paper and giving it another good blow .......

Good stuff those old brake linings.

And then there was the time helping dad smash up that old garage coating - that flat crumbly stuff that apparently had asbestos in it .......

Ripped up some 50 year old lino with a spade as well.........

One question. Does everyone's urine glow in the dark?

Tank

24th March 2010, 19:34

Can't wait to get it sorted, and tow it all around the north island at 70k's lol.

Steve

Swingers roadshow?

CookMySock

24th March 2010, 19:36

I know of a bloke who was exposed to Asbestos (pipe lagging) for two weeks on a site. He contracted Asbestosis and years later died as a result of it.Fuck, thats not flash. :blink:

Nah we'll wipe some goo over it and stick down some new shit.

Steve

AllanB

24th March 2010, 19:36

Good luck with the Caravan.....oh and its 80kph when towing aint it Steve?

90 kms towing. They changed the law a few years ago. I'm pretty sure they changed it so you can pass a Hoyosung on the open road.......

Tank

24th March 2010, 19:36

I got quite a shock yesterday when I asked a mate to come around and check out a caravan we've been given, as it needs re-furbishing and I wanted his opinion since he's in the trade, kind of...

We talk about the chassis and ceiling and lining ......

I got to say - sounds like a very fun project (excluding the bad stuff) - always fancied restoring a combi van - but I love the 'older' style caravans also - tons of character.

CookMySock

24th March 2010, 19:38

Swingers roadshow?Sleeps six! :yes:

No, you can't come - no fat people allowed!

Steve

Tank

24th March 2010, 19:43

Sleeps six! :yes:

No, you can't come - no fat people allowed!

Steve

ooohhh cutting. pfft if I was the swinging kind (and Im not) - Id like to think despite being fat - I could do waaaaaay better than you and the clan.

BiK3RChiK

24th March 2010, 19:45

I'm a huge fan of DIY and it's going to be a fun project for sure...

At 22ft, it's quite dangerous towing at speed. Steve can do the driving as far as I'm concerned! He's tried to give me specific instructions on towing it, but I don't want to know! :blink: It'll be a little while before it moves off the lawn at any rate... it's quite some project, since it's been parked under a hedge for way too long!

Tank

24th March 2010, 19:48

I'm a huge fan of DIY and it's going to be a fun project for sure...

We need a before pic , progress pics, and an after pic.

CookMySock

24th March 2010, 19:51

The tow ball on the surf is a little high, and it gets a wicked, wicked swing on over 85k. Roll off down a hill and touch 100 clicks and it will reach around and bite your leg off. Emphatically not amusing. Great levels of concentration required. We won't be going far with it.

Steve

BiK3RChiK

24th March 2010, 19:54

Hadn't thought of before, during and after pics...

Could be done :D

Tank

24th March 2010, 19:55

Hadn't thought of before, during and after pics...

Could be done :D

you put in all the effort - nice to be able to look back.

Mom

24th March 2010, 19:59

oh and its 80kph when towing aint it Steve?

Try the new speed differential amendment to that rule lovely man...90kph I tink you will find. Mind you, even that is too fast pulling our van :yes:

I got to say - sounds like a very fun project (excluding the bad stuff) - always fancied restoring a combi van - but I love the 'older' style caravans also - tons of character.

You want to watch out for the characters in the vans as much as the character of the van :blip:

I'm a huge fan of DIY and it's going to be a fun project for sure...

At 22ft, it's quite dangerous towing at speed.... it's quite some project, since it's been parked under a hedge for way too long!

At that length it will have double axles and trailer brakes. Trust me on this, it is easy as to tow one. Gather up speed from stop in a steady way. Gain your cruising speed and maintain it. You will find it easy to get up to speed and once you are underway you should not notice the extra weight. Do not go faster! If you do you will find the van might attempt to take over the control of your towing vehicle. That is an interesting experience, the steering of your car has a mind of its own. Really satisfying to control.

The trailer brakes come into their own when you button off the gas. Going down hill the trailer brakes should keep everything in line. Allow extra room to stop at intersections.

As far as doing one up goes. I have done it. Dont scrimp. Spend the money you need to. I promise you many rewarding vacations in it.

SMOKEU

24th March 2010, 20:03

Soak it with a hose and wear a painters mask and you'll be sweet.
Or skip the above and just don't breathe.

AllanB

24th March 2010, 20:20

I watched a caravan get way sideways earlier this year - every time he got over 90 it went out of control. Scary stuff.

Talking to some 'vaners' at the camp later and several suggested filling the water tank to add weight down low for towing. No ideal if this is correct.
Mass centralisation for your caravan!

pete376403

24th March 2010, 20:48

I recall being told by a engineer with Trojan Engineering (they of the Duratorque trailer axles, many years back) then trailers handled best with about 100lbs (or 50kgs if you must) weight on the towbar. THey did lots of experiments at quite illegal speeds with a 'van towed by an XJ6, inducing sway and then seeing how to get out of it. Most of the time they were successful...

Tank

24th March 2010, 21:03

Swingers roadshow?

Sleeps six! :yes:

No, you can't come - no fat people allowed!

Steve

Here you two go - something for like minded people. http://www.caravanswingers.co.uk/

JimO

24th March 2010, 21:06

Can we lick it? :blink:

Steve

i think you already have been

Smifffy

24th March 2010, 21:22

i think you already have been

Asbestos flavoured lino adhesive - the safe non-addictive high. The thinking man's alternative to jungle toads.

YellowDog

24th March 2010, 21:24

BiK3RChiK

25th March 2010, 08:03

AllanB

25th March 2010, 09:08

Haha... some scary tales there! I think I'll just be leaving the towing to Steve, thanks Mom. Our 4x4 increases the height of the tow bar and there-in lies one of the problems...

Come to think of it, and reading some of the above, there's probably asbestos in a whole lot of things we don't even think about! Glow in the dark urine... don't know... one of the disadvantages of being a chick I guess. We don't usually look at our urine as we are pee-ing!! :lol: Can't imagine why I'd actually want to either, for that matter...

If your tow knob is a bolt on plate type you'll be able to get a lower one made to get the drawbar angle correct. Blackwells in CHCH make towbars and have adaptors etc for this type of thing as it can make a huge difference in towing. The cost to get this correct will be tiny compared to the outlay you have already made and the handling difference will be like comparing a Hoyosung to a Honda ......... (the digs just keep coming!).

And it is helpful to look at ones urine when peeing in case the hose gets out of control. Probably not a issue at your house as I understand Steve pees sitting down! :shifty:

Tank

25th March 2010, 09:14

. Probably not a issue at your house as I understand Steve pees sitting down! :shifty:

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That sir, was fucken brilliant!

imdying

25th March 2010, 09:54

It aint worth dealing with to be honest.
I know of a bloke who was exposed to Asbestos (pipe lagging) for two weeks on a site.
He contracted Asbestosis and years later died as a result of it.I know two guys that spend 50 years (combined) working with asbestos based friction linings, smoked like trains, and are still trucking :rockon:

CookMySock

25th March 2010, 11:11

Nah it doesn't have brakes. Well, it does, but we dare not use them in case they jam on. Doesn't have a WOF either. If it gets a good swing on, we just grit our teeth, hang on tight, and ride the fucker out. The mood is a bit somber in the car after that, but that just amplifies the joy of arriving at our destination - either the inner-city campground, or the mother-in-laws-backyard! So if you see beeeg S-bendy squealie marks down the kaimais, you know we been there!

If you see us overtaking somewhere, be sure to flick us the chinese good luck sign as we share your lane. :niceone:

Looking forward to it! :nicone:

Steve

ynot slow

27th March 2010, 17:21

I know two guys that spend 50 years (combined) working with asbestos based friction linings, smoked like trains, and are still trucking :rockon:

My old boss was like that,she'll be right re lifting vinyl flooring with asbestos,his reckoning was flooring had very limited asbestos compared to wall cladding and as such get on with it.
Was ok as the floor prep guy was qualified lol,and I was helping him out of the kindness of my heart(and told to help him),wonder if that may have helped with the lumps in my lungs,hmmm might get a quacks theory on that and grab a few $$$ from ACC for lower lung removal last year.

BiK3RChiK

27th March 2010, 20:09

My old boss was like that,she'll be right re lifting vinyl flooring with asbestos,his reckoning was flooring had very limited asbestos compared to wall cladding and as such get on with it.
Was ok as the floor prep guy was qualified lol,and I was helping him out of the kindness of my heart(and told to help him),wonder if that may have helped with the lumps in my lungs,hmmm might get a quacks theory on that and grab a few $$$ from ACC for lower lung removal last year.

I think the horse might have already bolted on that one....

That's not good, though! I hope you are all clean now. Sounds nasty...

Maha

27th March 2010, 20:32

My old boss was like that,she'll be right re lifting vinyl flooring with asbestos,his reckoning was flooring had very limited asbestos compared to wall cladding and as such get on with it.
Was ok as the floor prep guy was qualified lol,and I was helping him out of the kindness of my heart(and told to help him),wonder if that may have helped with the lumps in my lungs,hmmm might get a quacks theory on that and grab a few $$$ from ACC for lower lung removal last year.

There was Floor Sanding guy in Wellington who, lifted and sanded Asbestos from a residential property, it was later proven by OSH that the house and its contents were extensively damaged (asbestos fibre everywhere and in large volumes) so much so that. everything, including carpets/drapes/beds/clothing etc had to be bagged and removed. The sander guy was fined $80K for his efforts.

Headbanger

27th March 2010, 22:26

The strange about it is, property owners can remove it, but trades people cannot. Just dont cause dust.

It only been in recent years that we (as flooring contractors) are no longer permitted to uplift it.
I dont touch the stuff at all now.

Anyone deemed competent, Including yourself can remove asbestos as long as its not friable. In the event its friable then it needs to be done under the supervision of someone holding an asbestos ticket.

There is certainly nothing saying flooring contractors can't remove it.

CookMySock

28th March 2010, 08:58

as long as its not friable.Ok, we won't fry it then. :lol:

Steve

Headbanger

28th March 2010, 09:00

fri·a·ble

-easily crumbled or reduced to powder; crumbly: friable rock.

geoffm

28th March 2010, 09:19

Anti sway bars on the towing hitch might help with the swaying, it certainly did with the 17' Lihgtweight we had back in the day - although I would fix the brakes first...
Look at joining the NZMCA when you get it on the road - cheap camping, discounts etc. You will need to be self contained.

CookMySock

28th March 2010, 11:30

Anti sway bars on the towing hitch might help with the swaying, it certainly did with the 17' Lihgtweight we had back in the day - although I would fix the brakes first...Brakes, pfft..

Yeah got some sway bars. They help a huge amount. I'll just go slow I think. We wont be going far anyway.

Steve