Payout for a police pasting

[SixPackBack]

......Nothing worse than a dodgy copper!

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/man-gets-payout-police-cell-incident-3435011


"The law has come down on the side of a man beaten and pepper sprayed by police.
A High Court judge has found Whakatane police subjected Rawiri Falwasser to an excessive abuse of power and breached his human rights during an incident in a cell in 2006.
It is the end of a four year fight by the Falwasser family. They had wanted $200,000 in damages but on Friday Justice Stevens awarded Falwasser $30,000 for his seven hours in the Whakatane police cells.
There is little dispute over what happened to Falwasser on Labour Day 2006 as CCTV footage captured it all."

[MIXONE]

I've been in those cells and was actually treated ok.
Must have been because I kept my mouth shut.

[firefighter]

Um, have you seen the video? From memory they were just trying to subdue the fucken assbag. He kept on resisting so they kept spraying him until they could get in. Then he gets paid out for it. What a great day for N.Z crimminals. Good on you supporting the trash of this country though. How dare the cops do their job.

Just watched the video again. The guy was obviously on drugs. I think he deserved it looking at the way he was acting.

[SixPackBack]

Um, have you seen the video? From memory they were just trying to subdue the fucken assbag. He kept on resisting so they kept spraying him until they could get in. Then he gets paid out for it. What a great day for N.Z crimminals. Good on you supporting the trash of this country though. How dare the cops do their job.


The NZ justice system disagrees with you and awarded the sprayed and beaten man 30K.

[firefighter]

The NZ justice system disagrees with you and awarded the sprayed and beaten man 30K.

Yep. It usually has an open wallet and a sympathetic ear for these pieces of shit. Not really surprised. Next they'll be paying out those Waihopai terrorists, the N.Z justice system also sided with these crimminals. They knew what they were doing was illegal. They admitted doing it. But not guilty. Welcome to N.Z.

Who needs the foreign Legion anymore just move here and you're sweet.

[rustic101]

Irrespective of his attitude or state of mind what they (members of Constabulary) did was unprofessional and unwarranted and completely unjustifiable, even more so if he was a little 1M. Even the CATT team acted irresponsibly based off what has been reported and documented. Believe me there are better ways of dealing with individuals acting in this manor or displaying unnatural behavioural traits.

[scumdog]

The NZ justice system disagrees with you and awarded the sprayed and beaten man 30K.

Out of who's wallet?

If I was was one of the cops involved I bet it wouldn't be mine.....

[scumdog]

Irrespective of his attitude or state of mind what they (members of Constabulary) did was unprofessional and unwarranted and completely unjustifiable, even more so if he was a little 1M. Even the CATT team acted irresponsibly based off what has been reported and documented. Believe me there are better ways of dealing with individuals acting in this manor or displaying unnatural behavioural traits.

You're soft.

Be a part of the real world, Pollyanna...

[firefighter]

Irrespective of his attitude or state of mind what they (members of Constabulary) did was unprofessional and unwarranted and completely unjustifiable, even more so if he was a little 1M. Even the CATT team acted irresponsibly based off what has been reported and documented. Believe me there are better ways of dealing with individuals acting in this manor or displaying unnatural behavioural traits.

Yes. Somebody please think of the crimminals.........the story was reported much, much differently at the time. NOtice the article did'nt at all describe why they were spraying him?! I remember watching the original story and did'nt think anything of it.

[rustic101]

You're right I am soft - However if required in the right circumstances I am a very nasty piece of work!!!

What I have the ability to do is to choose when..

I'm also not into pac mentality or actions

[scumdog]

You're right I am soft - However if required in the right circumstances I am a very nasty piece of work!!!

What I have the ability to do is to choose when..

I'm also not into pac mentality or actions

Good!
Join NZ Police and show 'em how it SHOULD have been handled...

[peasea]

Out of who's wallet?

If I was was one of the cops involved I bet it wouldn't be mine.....

Quite right, like they give a fuck.

[scumdog]

......Nothing worse than a dodgy copper!

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/man-gets-payout-police-cell-incident-3435011


"The law has come down on the side of a man beaten and pepper sprayed by police.
A High Court judge has found Whakatane police subjected Rawiri Falwasser to an excessive abuse of power and breached his human rights during an incident in a cell in 2006.
It is the end of a four year fight by the Falwasser family. They had wanted $200,000 in damages but on Friday Justice Stevens awarded Falwasser $30,000 for his seven hours in the Whakatane police cells.
There is little dispute over what happened to Falwasser on Labour Day 2006 as CCTV footage captured it all."

Fuck, I'd put up with that no sweat if I was going to be paID $30,000 at the end of it!:2thumbsup

[peasea]

Good!
Join NZ Police and show 'em how it SHOULD have been handled...

That would never work, he said he's not into pack mentality.

[wbks]

The NZ justice system disagrees with you and awarded the sprayed and beaten man 30K.The New Zealand justice system also believes that paroling murderers and paedophiles is a good idea. After their 3 year sentences, of course


Um, have you seen the video? From memory they were just trying to subdue the fucken assbag. He kept on resisting so they kept spraying him until they could get in. Then he gets paid out for it. What a great day for N.Z crimminals. Good on you supporting the trash of this country though. How dare the cops do their job.

Just watched the video again. The guy was obviously on drugs. I think he deserved it looking at the way he was acting.Yep
He's fuckin glad to live under the umbrella that the police and other authorities provide, but seems to have something up his arse sideways, about it

[peasea]

Fuck, I'd put up with that no sweat if I was going to be paID $30,000 at the end of it!:2thumbsup

Me too, more than once!!!

[rustic101]

The same way thousands of others handle similar situations almost every day.

Its simple really. No need to swat a fly with a canon. The first tactical option is always the mouth; it seems some on here are very good at opening theirs without realising the consequences..

[peasea]

Fuck, I'd put up with that no sweat if I was going to be paID $30,000 at the end of it!:2thumbsup

paID?

Do you want to be paid in Arabic Dirhams?

[SMOKEU]

He must have been pretty 1K to act like that after he ended up K9.

[peasea]

The same way thousands of others handle similar situations almost every day.

Its simple really. No need to swat a fly with a canon. The first tactical option is always the mouth; it seems some on here are very good at opening theirs without realising the consequences..

Come here and say that ya bastard!

[firefighter]

The same way thousands of others handle similar situations almost every day.

Its simple really. No need to swat a fly with a canon. The first tactical option is always the mouth;

Yep. When dealing with a drug fueled maniac, talk to them and they will listen and cooperate.


seems some on here are very good at opening theirs without realising the consequences..

Bwahahahaha, like what? Someone disagrees with you? It's a forum not a court room.

[scumdog]

The same way thousands of others handle similar situations almost every day.

Its simple really. No need to swat a fly with a canon. The first tactical option is always the mouth; it seems some on here are very good at opening theirs without realising the consequences..

To win ya ALWAYS 'swat a fly with a cannon':yes:

[peasea]

To win ya ALWAYS 'swat a fly with a cannon':yes:

Or you could win most competitions with a cannon IN your fly!

[rustic101]

And the pac mentality presents, clearly obvious with the previous few posts:shit: Although not surprising on here :zzzz:

So over it lol

[peasea]

And the pac mentality presents, clearly obvious with the previous few posts:shit: Although not surprising on here :zzzz:

So over it lol

Nah, get in amongst it, live a little.

[peasea]

DOH!
Is that beer I hear calling?
Gotta go, farewell party....
Darn it, cop bashing threads are my fave and I hadn't even got started.

I'll check in tomorrow morning and I want to find 600 posts in this thread or you're all pooftas.

[rustic101]

Energy an interesting thing. Do I waste mine on this or do I conserve it for more interesting things ;)

How about Fire Fighters who are arsonists and masturbate while they satisfy their sexual urges?

[SMOKEU]

Yep. When dealing with a drug fueled maniac, talk to them and they will listen and cooperate.



That's wishful thinking. Speaking from experience.

[firefighter]

And the pac mentality presents, clearly obvious with the previous few posts:shit: Although not surprising on here :zzzz:

So over it lol

Actually I thought the opinion was reasonably spread? Not pack at all. I just truely believe what i'm saying. If I was the only one saying it i'd still say it. We'll probably have a similar opinion on another topic, just good old debate!

[firefighter]

That's wishful thinking. Speaking from experience.

I was being sarcastic......and yes same.

[SixPackBack]

Energy an interesting thing. Do I waste mine on this or do I conserve it for more interesting things ;)

How about Fire Fighters who are arsonists and masturbate while they satisfy their sexual urges?

.................While sniffing period stained knickers:mellow:

[rustic101]

Actually I thought the opinion was reasonably spread? Not pack at all. I just truely believe what i'm saying. If I was the only one saying it i'd still say it. We'll probably have a similar opinion on another topic, just good old debate!

Not disagreeing with your opinion, if anything I respect it.

I dare say if you spilt the country in half, half would agree half would disagree.

Pedos and murderers (personally they should be fucking shot) are not able to be compared to what actually happened. They committed offences and are or have served their time. This guy was in the care and custody of Police and was dealt to in an inhumane way (IMO). In fact even the Health Providers failed him (if he was having a brain explosion)..

[firefighter]

Energy an interesting thing. Do I waste mine on this or do I conserve it for more interesting things ;)

How about Fire Fighters who are arsonists and masturbate while they satisfy their sexual urges?

All volunteers as far as i'm aware, and they get found out pretty fast. Shall we have a turn at your occupation now? I do'nt recall being disrespectful to you, although this does say a lot more about your mentality than mine. As I wrote above before you decided to be a child, we merely have a differing opinion, obviously you lack the mental capacity for adult conversation.

[rustic101]

Actually I will with hold that - Also offer up an apology as only realised your nic after I had made the statement. That a side its still factual about fire-fighters much the same as some instances are true about Police ;)

[rustic101]

...although this does say a lot more about your mentality than mine. As I wrote above before you decided to be a child, we merely have a differing opinion, obviously you lack the mental capacity for adult conversation.

Well I have achieved what I set out to do. Get a reaction!!!!

[firefighter]

Actually I will with hold that - Also offer up an apology as only realised your nic after I had made the statement. That a side its still factual about fire-fighters much the same as some instances are true about Police ;)

Lol, what's true?! We really are just normal people ya know! (well most of us!) Ca'n t say i've ever seen someone get a woody at a fire! (I do'nt suppose i'd notice but still.....)

[Maha]

Fuck, I'd put up with that no sweat if I was going to be paID $30,000 at the end of it!:2thumbsup

Yip me too, I cant see where the problem is really?
Getting paid $30k for seven hours for doing fuck all?...thats about the same hourly rate as the RNZ Board Member living in Aussie.

[scumdog]

I dare say if you spilt the country in half, half would agree half would disagree...

Those that disagree with what happened would be the ones that have never had to deal with a situation like that...

[scumdog]

DOH!
Is that beer I hear calling?
Gotta go, farewell party....
Darn it, cop bashing threads are my fave and I hadn't even got started.

I'll check in tomorrow morning and I want to find 600 posts in this thread or you're all pooftas.


Well I am doing MY share, get off yer lardy arse and keep posting eh!

[Genie]

Or you could win most competitions with a cannon IN your fly!

and size doesn't matter as long as it's a cannon!

[rustic101]

Of course you would absolutely know every member of KB and their profession. How ignorant of me, my humble apologies.

Just because an individual disagrees with something (anything) does not mean they have never dealt with or have no knowledge of a situation, event or topic.

scumdog step back from the nettles and read what you wrote and try and figure out that its a ridiculous statement!!!

[rustic101]

and size doesn't matter as long as it's a cannon!

I only have a small cannon but big balls to act as thrust:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

scumdog step back from the nettles and read what you wrote and try and figure out that its a ridiculous statement!!!

WHICH one?

And who else was that last statement aimed at??

[Coldrider]

Yip me too, I cant see where the problem is really?
Getting paid $30k for seven hours for doing fuck all?...thats about the same hourly rate as the RNZ Board Member living in Aussie.$30K for seven hours is good going considering Bains estimate is $100K per annum, times 13 years.

[scumdog]

Just because an individual disagrees with something (anything) does not mean they have never dealt with or have no knowledge of a situation, event or topic.



No one said you hadn't - but you seem to be trying to put yourself in that catatgory...

[rustic101]

O well I guess I will go and get a saucer of milk and a big box of tissues and watch the rest of big bang theory ;)

[Maha]

$30K for seven hours is good going considering Bains estimate is $100K per annum, times 13 years.

He'll settle for a carpet cleaning franchise and a well done pat on the back, now run along David.

[Coldrider]

He'll settle for a carpet cleaning franchise and a well done pat on the back, now run along David.and franchise off his jerseys.

[Maha]

and franchise off his jerseys.

The irony is, in those early days, he looked like a taller version of spb......:laugh:

[Bikemad]

its funny isnt it............they call it a Justice system............some little arsewipe fucker totally wasting police time,gets lippy and gets pepper sprayed...........he gets a payout.............any payout should be offset against the cost of his using up police resourses by being a dickhead.Graham burton,a known violent career criminal who kills someone while on the run gets a fuckin free titanium leg and three meals a day and a roof over his head,paid for by you and me and the tax paying parents of his victim,for the rest of his days,he should have been given a real slow trip in an ambulance to the remotest of clinics in the country,and if he survives,left to spin on one leg............but hang on..............these guys are victims too they cry...........
meanwhile the true victims,for example...susan couch,panmure RSA, and in graham wank burtons case,the kirkenbaur? family have to fight tooth and nail for any recompense or justice as we know it should be

[SixPackBack]

and size doesn't matter as long as it's a cannon!

Because it has to fill the grand canyon?
http://www.everybody.co.nz/page-5379ba51-d42c-4c2f-b8c9-6af7cbde7e25.aspx


its funny isnt it............they call it a Justice system............some little arsewipe fucker totally wasting police time,gets lippy and gets pepper sprayed...........he gets a payout.............any payout should be offset against the cost of his using up police resourses by being a dickhead.Graham burton,a known violent career criminal who kills someone while on the run gets a fuckin free titanium leg and three meals a day and a roof over his head,paid for by you and me and the tax paying parents of his victim,for the rest of his days,he should have been given a real slow trip in an ambulance to the remotest of clinics in the country,and if he survives,left to spin on one leg............but hang on..............these guys are victims too they cry...........
meanwhile the true victims,for example...susan couch,panmure RSA, and in graham wank burtons case,the kirkenbaur? family have to fight tooth and nail for any recompense or justice as we know it should be

WAAAAAAAAHHHH........'tis the appalling lack of grammar that prickles my fanny.

[Genie]

Because it has to fill the grand canyon?
http://www.everybody.co.nz/page-5379ba51-d42c-4c2f-b8c9-6af7cbde7e25.aspx



WAAAAAAAAHHHH........'tis the appalling lack of grammar that prickles my fanny.

you have a fanny?

and shut up....who cares about grammar and spelling in this instance...what he writes reflects the opinions of so many people.

[SixPackBack]

you have a fanny?

and shut up....who cares about grammar and spelling in this instance...what he writes reflects the opinions of so many people.

*NEWSFLASH*..........KB is a fantasy land, and you represent neither it nor the real world.

Quoting the article:
"The judgement says the officers' use of force was "excessive and unnecessary and an abuse of power".
It also says that it "amounted to a failure to treat the plaintiff with humanity and with respect" and "breached his rights under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act".

The coppers behaved like the thugs they claim to protect us from. Fact.

[wbks]

What makes you trust the NZ judicial system more than the cops? Usually the "stick it to the man" types also hate the rest of "the man", and even I hate judges

[Hans]

Those that disagree with what happened would be the ones that have never had to deal with a situation like that...

Oh bollocks. I don't know you personally, so don't take this as a personal attack. But:

As a taxpayer I employ you and your colleagues to enforce the laws of the land. I expect you to behave like a pro. Nothing more nothing less.

To turn this into a bit of a rant: One of the things I'd like to see in NZ is the typical mainland European approach to the standing of a police officer in the eyes of the law. In short it works like this: An attack on a police officer is penalised more severely than a similar assault on a common citizen. On the flipside there is a paragraph called "Abuse of official power" with which the cops can be hit in an instance like this. In most mainland euro countries, something like the case we're debating would earn the cops about 3-5 years.

[MadDuck]

*NEWSFLASH*..........KB is a fantasy land

Thank goodness for that. I would have nightmares if I had met you in real life

[scumdog]

An attack on a police officer is penalised more severely than a similar assault on a common citizen. On the flipside there is a paragraph called "Abuse of official power" with which the cops can be hit in an instance like this. In most mainland euro countries, something like the case we're debating would earn the cops about 3-5 years.
Well sorry to pop your bubble but in NZ you are more likely to be given a higher penalty for biffing another member of the public than if you biffed a member of the constabulary. Fact.

That's why I love the job, I get paid so much money to be punched/spat at/have genital attacked etc....

One day I'll resign and when somebody has a go at me I'll really do a number on them, hell at least it won't cost me my job!

[firefighter]

something like the case we're debating would earn the cops about 3-5 years.

With the way that crimminals cry and complain at how hard they've been treated and ca'nt take their own medicine, we'd have no cops left on the beat they'd all be in jail. All you'd have left is some metro fags and female pacifists too scared to deal with people who need that tough justice, as they are NOT going to come peacefully.
You'll be getting beaten by some big fulla named Solly and the little white metrosexual ballsack in a uniform will be too scared to touch him to stop him attacking you.

This is N.Z, the police and victims do'nt have rights as it is, the crimminals get all the help.. Crimminals are the only victims in N.Z according to the law.

Why oh why are we so damn caring of the crimminals. I think it would be far greater to come up with ways to better look after victims of crime, rather than so called "victims" of arrest.........

[Hans]

Well sorry to pop your bubble but in NZ you are more likely to be given a higher penalty for biffing another member of the public than if you biffed a member of the constabulary. Fact.

That's why I love the job, I get paid so much money to be punched/spat at/have genital attacked etc....

One day I'll resign and when somebody has a go at me I'll really do a number on them, hell at least it won't cost me my job!

As I said, I'd be happy for stiffer penalties for attacking a cop. But with priviledge comes responsibility, hence the "abuse of official power" bit. And no, you didn't burst my bubble, there was none to be burst.

[Hans]

With the way that crimminals cry and complain at how hard they've been treated and ca'nt take their own medicine, we'd have no cops left on the beat they'd all be in jail. All you'd have left is some metro fags and female pacifists too scared to deal with people who need that tough justice, as they are NOT going to come peacefully.

Why oh why are we so damn caring of the crimminals. I think it would be far greater to come up with ways to better look after victims of crime, rather than so called "victims" of arrest.........

With respect. You just don't get it, do you. A crime is a crime, whether the person who commits it is wearing a hoodie or a uniform. In other words those "victims of arrest", as you put, may also be victims of a crime. At least if it was an "arrest" instead of an arrest.

[scumdog]

As I said, I'd be happy for stiffer penalties for attacking a cop. But with priviledge comes responsibility, hence the "abuse of official power" bit. And no, you didn't burst my bubble, there was none to be burst.

You have a point - but at present the shit-heads have the upper hand when it comes to attacks on law officers.

I love listening to the dialogue on Yankee cop shows, ya never hear the shitheads there saying 'fuck you' and 'wanker' etc to the cops - it's 'yessir' and 'sorry sir' and the tension/assault level seems waay down compared to NZ.

[Skyryder]

To win ya ALWAYS 'swat a fly with a cannon':yes:

Or chopsticks:laugh:


Skyryder

[SixPackBack]

Well sorry to pop your bubble but in NZ you are more likely to be given a higher penalty for biffing another member of the public than if you biffed a member of the constabulary. Fact.

That's why I love the job, I get paid so much money to be punched/spat at/have genital attacked etc....

One day I'll resign and when somebody has a go at me I'll really do a number on them, hell at least it won't cost me my job!

Your genitals attacked??........Sounds like wishful thinking to me; unless of course the stories about southerners is true?

[Hans]

You have a point - but at present the shit-heads have the upper hand when it comes to attacks on law officers.

I love listening to the dialogue on Yankee cop shows, ya never hear the shitheads there saying 'fuck you' and 'wanker' etc to the cops - it's 'yessir' and 'sorry sir' and the tension/assault level seems waay down compared to NZ.

Yes, they do have the upper hand. Unfortunately. And something needs to be done about that. However, my other point is, that compared to what I grew up with, there seems to be very little accountability for the cops. I have heard about any number a of cases, where the cops fucked up (whether deliberately or not) and nothing happened to them.

[firefighter]

With respect. You just don't get it, do you. A crime is a crime, whether the person who commits it is wearing a hoodie or a uniform. In other words those "victims of arrest", as you put, may also be victims of a crime. At least if it was an "arrest" instead of an arrest.

I do get it. If the cops beat the shit out of someone then I understand. However in this case, which is unreported in the new story, I guess it sells the story better, the cops were trying to move the guy (or somesuch) and he kept fighting, in the real story, they warn him, he refuses to calm down, they threaten to spray, still no comply, spray, ok he has a natural risilience to the spray. They kept trying to talk to him but to no avail, so they kept going until he was pacified enough to handle. It's fair enough. All he had to do was stop being a moron and attacking everyone that tried to come in.

Now, i'd rather the cops did that than go in and get beaten by the piece of shit. He lost all his rights in my mind when he started fighting with the cops, completely unnecessarily. Had the cops done that to him for no reason, then yep, I see your side totally, but this is far from the case.

[Hans]

Fair enough.

[Mom]

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[SixPackBack]

I do get it. If the cops beat the shit out of someone then I understand. However in this case, which is unreported in the new story, I guess it sells the story better, the cops were trying to move the guy (or somesuch) and he kept fighting, in the real story, they warn him, he refuses to calm down, they threaten to spray, still no comply, spray, ok he has a natural risilience to the spray. They kept trying to talk to him but to no avail, so they kept going until he was pacified enough to handle. It's fair enough. All he had to do was stop being a moron and attacking everyone that tried to come in.

Now, i'd rather the cops did that than go in and get beaten by the piece of shit. He lost all his rights in my mind when he started fighting with the cops, completely unnecessarily. Had the cops done that to him for no reason, then yep, I see your side totally, but this is far from the case.

Dress it up however you like the court does not share your veiw.

[MadDuck]

Dress it up however you like the court does not share your veiw.

And tomorrow we read this man smashed his wife and kids. Then we say why the hell didnt the cops do summit.

Oh and thats view not veiw

[Maha]

And tomorrow we read this man smashed his wife and kids. Then we say why the hell didnt the cops do summit.

Oh and thats view not veiw

Or worse, he would throw rubbish out his car window.......:sunny:

[SS90]

We give the cops pepper spray, and this is what happens......what about when we give them guns?

This is not the first complaint involving improper use of (for the court saw it that way, therefore, it is) pepper spray/tazers etc, and I assure you it won't be the last.

I just wonder what happened to the cops involved.....I don't understand how no assult charges can follow, they get to keep their jobs?

What is up with that?

[DMNTD]

FFS...whatever happened to" phone book therapy?
Been smacked up a "few" times by the cops (deservedly so), and got a nice solid brutality from Mr A-Z!
Bring back the days when you simply got a slap up and sent on your way (for 'minor' shit).

[marty]

Because 'phone book therapy' and 'wet fish justice' has got a few cops in more than a little trouble with metrosexual tree hugging hairy armpit types. And sadly, they can make someone's life pretty fucking miserable.

[marty]

The New Zealand justice system also believes that paroling murderers and paedophiles is a good idea. After their 3 year sentences, of course

Yep
He's fuckin glad to live under the umbrella that the police and other authorities provide, but seems to have something up his arse sideways, about it

The NZ 'Justice' system also thinks David Bain is not guilty, so there's your starting point.

[SixPackBack]

The details look like more than a 'thick ear'.......A sickening brutal act by a bunch of thugs.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634666

A young man beaten with batons and pepper-sprayed 65 times by four police officers in a closed cell has received $30,000 in compensation.
Rawiri Falwasser, 26 at the time, was seriously injured while in custody at the Whakatane police station after he was arrested on suspicion of stealing a car on Labour Day 2006.
Sergeant Keith Parsons, Sergeant Erle Busby, Senior Constable Bruce Laing and Constable John Mills were later found not guilty of nine charges of assault by a jury in June 2008.
But Justice Lyn Stevens has ruled in the High Court at Auckland that Mr Falwasser should be paid $30,000 in damages under a breach of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act.
Justice Stevens said there was no dispute that Mr Falwasser was assaulted several times with police batons - splitting his head with a 6cm cut - and repeatedly pepper-sprayed over a 20-minute period.
In his decision, he said the New Zealand Police admitted that the use of baton blows and pepper spray was an abuse of power and did not submit justified use of force as a defence.
The incident was captured on closed-circuit security cameras, and Justice Stevens said the actions ofthe four senior officers were unnecessary, unjustified and without lawful authority.


Rawiri Falwasser was arrested on Labour Day 2006 on suspicion of stealing a neighbour's car. He had not been in trouble with police before and was later diagnosed as having a psychotic episode, despite having no history of mental illness.He resisted requests to fingerprint and photograph him - but was not violent - and was struck with a baton after again refusing to leave the perspex holding cell.
A 20-minute assault followed in which Mr Falwasser was struck several times with batons and was pepper-sprayed 65 times.
The spray was squirted through vents at the top and bottom of the cell, and there was so much in the air that other police officers had to leave the room. The doctor called to treat Mr Falwasser could not see him through the fog of spray.
In his evidence, Mr Falwasser said he thought he would suffocate and die and he was in terrible pain.
"He described the pain as feeling like really hot water being poured over your body but without any physical burn," said Justice Stevens.
A psychological report written last August, said Mr Falwasser had been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder. He was unable to sleep, had nightmares, felt isolated from friends and family and had not lived independently since the incident.

[peasea]

Well, post number 76, not the 600 I was hoping for but you get that.

I have seen the footage on TV and can't understand why the cops would even want to go near the plonker. Why not just leave him in the cell until he calms down? (Or is that too easy?) To me, and probably the judge, it looks like the cops were just having a bit of fun ('fun' as determined by the NZ Police and not the Webster's dictionary) and they got caught doing it. However, as Scummy says, the thirty grand won't be coming out of their pocket.

There will be no disciplinary action so they are not likely to a) give a fuck and b) change their ways. This will result in people like SPB and myself retaining contempt for the (majority of) NZ Police. OK, again to quote Scummy, cops get spat on, abused and their genital (singular, as Scummy posted, although how you can have 'genital' singular is beyond me) attacked but nobody asked you or forced you put that blue uniform on and as sad as it may be such behaviour toward the police is probably a daily occurrance. If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. It's like moving into a house next an airport and moaning about the noise. You KNOW what to expect when you sign on so suck it up.

Should police HAVE to accept such abuse? Probably not but the days of the average bobby being an upstanding pillar of society who is beyond reproach are sadly behind us. Too often we hear about, read about or fall victim to cops whose moral standing is at best questionable. They screw up and they keep fuckin' doing it.

Not so long ago one of our local (married) bobbies was sprung having an affair with a local 20y/o woman. I have no respect for guys who behave like that, uniform or not, but because he is (possibly was) wearing the blue uniform I, and most of society, expected better from him. If he is still in the job and he stops me for any reason I'll mock the crap out of him.

Seriously; for the general public to respect, support and trust the police they need to sharpen their act. Sure, the abuse and the assaults on them are probably countless and the number of times they screw up are a drop in the bucket by comparison but when they do screw up it drags the whole bunch into the mire and the stigma lasts for ages. Perhaps they should look at each other and themselves once in a while.

I didn't think to count how many cops were present when that guy got pepper spayed but out of all of them there didn't appear to be one, not one, officer trying to put a stop to it. Out of half a dozen or so cops there didn't appear to be any level-headed individuals present. It's like a pack of wolves round a cornered deer. If they'd just left that twat in the cell overnight the taxpayer would be thirty grand better off right now.

[DMNTD]

Because 'phone book therapy' and 'wet fish justice' has got a few cops in more than a little trouble with metrosexual tree hugging hairy armpit types. And sadly, they can make someone's life pretty fucking miserable.


The details look like more than a 'thick ear'.......A sickening brutal act by a bunch of thugs.
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Fark that...a slap up would've been better if he was resisting...imo.
Stupid tree huggers should realise that an A to Z education would be far better than that freaking pepper spray...imo.

[peasea]

and size doesn't matter as long as it's a cannon!

Here's a wee one for ya then.

[DMNTD]

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[peasea]

Fark that...a slap up would've been better if he was resisting...imo.
Stupid tree huggers should realise that an A to Z education would be far better than that freaking pepper spray...imo.


When I was teenager our local bobby used to check us out round the bays (Wellington, out past Worser Bay etc) on Friday and Saturday nights. To prevent us from drinking and driving he'd take our piss off us. No charges, no pepper spray and no drunk drivers. Sure, it pissed us off at the time and I've no doubt the piss ended up at the police bar but not a bad idea eh? That guy knew shit from chewed dates.

[DMNTD]

When I was teenager our local bobby used to check us out round the bays (Wellington, out pas Worser Bay etc) on Friday and Saturday nights. To prevent us from drinking and driving he'd take our piss off us. No charges, no pepper spray and no drunk drivers. Sure, it pissed us off at the time and I've no doubt the piss ended up at the police bar but not a bad idea eh? That guy knew shit from chewed dates.

Exactly the sort of policing I'd like to see more of.
I was living in a certain small Norfland community where the local cop got sick of the young wannabe thugs intimidating tourists etc so went at them.
Sorted about 8 from memory...he was/is a well liked and respected bloke

[Bikemad]

Dress it up however you like the court does not share your veiw.
and the courts always get it right eh

[peasea]

Exactly the sort of policing I'd like to see more of.
I was living in a certain small Norfland community where the local cop got sick of the young wannabe thugs intimidating tourists etc so went at them.
Sorted about 8 from memory...he was/is a well liked and respected bloke

It's just a shame that blokes (and blokettes) like that are, seemingly, the minority these days. Apparently our local is an ok guy, they call him the 'Claytons Copper' coz he's the cop you have when you're not having a cop. I've not met him yet (coz I'm a straight-arrow, law-abiding member of society etc) but apparently he keeps a lid on things without a bolshy attitude. You're more inclined to have a beer with a guy like that than some little Hitler. Respect; it's a two-way thing.

[Maha]

and the courts always get it right eh

Only when it suits the OP, at times, he must feel like a dog chasing its own tail.
And in between, he likes to just sit and lick his bollocks.

[peasea]

Only when it suits the OP, at times, he must feel like a dog chasing its own tail.
And in between, he likes to just sit and lick his bollocks.

SPB can lick his own bollocks???
Lucky bastard!

[Maha]

SPB can lick his own bollocks???
Lucky bastard!

When its the only real pleasure he gets in life, I guess you're right.

[peasea]

and the courts always get it right eh

Erm, no.
"The four officers were charged with nine counts of assault but were acquitted at the Tauranga District Court."

Even with video evidence these guys basically walked. Oh yeah, some minor internal twaddle but not what you or I would have got under the same circumstances. One rule for us and another for them.

[red mermaid]

And of course you saw all of the video and heard all of the evidence in that case....not just what was selected to be shown by the media?



Erm, no.
"The four officers were charged with nine counts of assault but were acquitted at the Tauranga District Court."

Even with video evidence these guys basically walked. Oh yeah, some minor internal twaddle but not what you or I would have got under the same circumstances. One rule for us and another for them.

[DMNTD]

And of course you saw all of the video and heard all of the evidence in that case....not just what was selected to be shown by the media?

From what I saw on the video (granted I wasn't there), it was a tad excessive! LOL!
Surely between the officers there they could have physically subdued him dispite his size and "mind set".
As I said, I wasn't there but fark...that was a lot of spray!

[peasea]

And of course you saw all of the video and heard all of the evidence in that case....not just what was selected to be shown by the media?

The bottom line is; what they did was excessive. He was sprayed sixty-something times FFS. He was in a cell, they should have just left him there but no, they had to have a go coz they're a bunch of fuckin bullies.

[Indoo]

There will be no disciplinary action so they are not likely to a) give a fuck and b) change their ways. .

"Internal disciplinary charges were also laid and Mr Parsons resigned from the police before the tribunal hearing. Mr Mills and Mr Busby were transferred from Whakatane, and Mr Busby was demoted in rank from sergeant to senior constable.

Mr Laing was found guilty of two breaches of police rules but resigned before any penalty was imposed."

Two forced out while the other two whom I'm guessing had the lesser degree of culpability stripped of rank and transferred.

[scumdog]

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There will be no disciplinary action so they are not likely to a) give a fuck and b) change their ways.

Wanna bet??

[scumdog]

When I was teenager our local bobby used to check us out round the bays (Wellington, out past Worser Bay etc) on Friday and Saturday nights. To prevent us from drinking and driving he'd take our piss off us. No charges, no pepper spray and no drunk drivers. Sure, it pissed us off at the time and I've no doubt the piss ended up at the police bar but not a bad idea eh? That guy knew shit from chewed dates.

Nowadays 15 year old Tarquins mum would come down to the station sceeching like a banshee about her darlings rights yadda yadda yadda..

When I was young the same owuld have happened to me as happened to you (not at Worser Bay though) and if my old man had found out I'd have literaly got a boot up the backside from him.


Our softy goody two-shoes hippy libera- tree-hugging homosexual-whale-saving society has made sure their little darlings know/have too many rights with no responsibility/consequences.

[Skyryder]

Yes, they do have the upper hand. Unfortunately. And something needs to be done about that. However, my other point is, that compared to what I grew up with, there seems to be very little accountability for the cops. I have heard about any number a of cases, where the cops fucked up (whether deliberately or not) and nothing happened to them.

Just off topic here a bit............but what happened to the cop who was booked going thru a yellow in her own time and the Union was going to pay for her defence.:shit:

Did the Uhion pay for here defence and did she get off or not.


Anyone know

Skyryder

[Maha]

$200,000 in damages??

:laugh: damages? what damages? sore eyes for an hour or two?

He wouldn't last in Aussie.

[cindymay]

You have a point - but at present the shit-heads have the upper hand when it comes to attacks on law officers.

I love listening to the dialogue on Yankee cop shows, ya never hear the shitheads there saying 'fuck you' and 'wanker' etc to the cops - it's 'yessir' and 'sorry sir' and the tension/assault level seems waay down compared to NZ. NZ and Aus seem similar in attitude. I have wondered what it is that makes crims in US so respectful.


Dress it up however you like the court does not share your veiw. What does that tell you?


The NZ 'Justice' system also thinks David Bain is not guilty, so there's your starting point. I thought is was a jury and they never make a mistake. It will be interesting to see if the QC agrees with the jury decision when it comes to handing out compensation.

[peasea]

"Internal disciplinary charges were also laid and Mr Parsons resigned from the police before the tribunal hearing. Mr Mills and Mr Busby were transferred from Whakatane, and Mr Busby was demoted in rank from sergeant to senior constable.

Mr Laing was found guilty of two breaches of police rules but resigned before any penalty was imposed."

Two forced out while the other two whom I'm guessing had the lesser degree of culpability stripped of rank and transferred.

Still no 'real world' penalty. Ok, you can bleat on about career etc but where's the fine, the PD or whatever Joe Public would have got? Nowhere, that's where.

[peasea]

Wanna bet??

I'd put money it, yes.
I still say they wouldn't give a fuck and I still say they won't change. That sort of behaviour is (most likely) in their blood.
As for discipline, see post 97.

[Indoo]

Still no 'real world' penalty. Ok, you can bleat on about career etc but where's the fine, the PD or whatever Joe Public would have got? Nowhere, that's where.

Joe Public doesn't get a fine or punishment from the courts if 12 fellow Joe Publics find them not guiltyr. Infact Joe Public wouldn't end up out of a job either.

[peasea]

Joe Public doesn't get a fine or punishment from the courts if 12 fellow Joe Publics find them not guiltyr. Infact Joe Public wouldn't end up out of a job either.

Joe Public doesn't have the power to lock people up and pepper spray the living snot out of them either.

[SixPackBack]

SPB can lick his own bollocks???
Lucky bastard!

Ignore mark, hes suffering a terminal case of misplaced anger. Being seriously owned and the threat of litigation [not to mention constant nagging from the wife], would do that to anyone.


NZ and Aus seem similar in attitude. I have wondered what it is that makes crims in US so respectful.

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The states has serious issues that are not being sorted by either the appearance of respect, or overwhelming numbers of inmates that grow at an exponential rate. What it says for their system is violence begets violence, and that being to scared to voice an opinion should in no way be confused for respect.

[SixPackBack]

Fark that...a slap up would've been better if he was resisting...imo.
Stupid tree huggers should realise that an A to Z education would be far better than that freaking pepper spray...imo.


"Rawiri Falwasser was arrested on Labour Day 2006 on suspicion of stealing a neighbour's car. He had not been in trouble with police before and was later diagnosed as having a psychotic episode, despite having no history of mental illness."

Great way to treat a 'patient'!..........Obviously the guy needed medical attention and not a beating.

[slofox]

Our softy goody two-shoes hippy libera- tree-hugging homosexual-whale-saving society has made sure their little darlings know/have too many rights with no responsibility/consequences.

Geez, Scummy - go easy - you'll make yourself sound ike a redneck..!

I do however, strongly agree with "too many rights with no responsibility". It's a two sided coin. Rights are balanced by responsibilities. Or should be.

[Skyryder]

Geez, Scummy - go easy - you'll make yourself sound ike a redneck..!

I do however, strongly agree with "too many rights with no responsibility". It's a two sided coin. Rights are balanced by responsibilities. Or should be.

Absolutely.......................but herin lies the problem...............rights are only 'exercised' when someone is abusing them.


Skyyrder

[red mermaid]

You really should get out in the real world.

Rights are exercised all the time by those who dont want to do as they are required by proper statute to do.

A case that comes to mind is Scott Watson who exercised his rights.



Absolutely.......................but herin lies the problem...............rights are only 'exercised' when someone is abusing them.


Skyyrder

[scumdog]

For trolling puposes I would'nt trade me job for anything, in fact I'd almost pay just to have such a job!!:devil2::woohoo:

[enigma51]

Absolutely.......................but herin lies the problem...............rights are only 'exercised' when someone is abusing them.


Skyyrder


Dont be a hater We give you the right to be a homo even when you abuse that right.