Hampton Downs - Sidechairs ruin another race meeting by dumping oil on the track!

[motogp1]

A sidechair/sidecar/sidecrap dumps a huge load of oil on the track yet again causing massive delays and no doubt causing several of the crashes in the proceeding races...... Questions....

#1 Who scrutineers these things? Whilst some are very good, clean competition machines, others(most?) would be laughed out of the pits in any other country. Filthy, poorly built and maintained bikes should not be on the track especially at a national championship event.

#2 Who cares about sidechairs? Watch the stand empty when they are up next, seriously. It is a perfect time to get a hotdog or take a piss which is exactly what 75% of the people seem to do. With so many exciting classes that would actually interest people, raced by modern bikes wtf are they even doing there?

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success? When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.

P.S whoever decided that there didn't need to be power in the prize giving marquee forcing the winners names to be read in the dark by torchlight - you are the man!!

[R6_kid]

The first lap or three were pretty exciting. Did get a bit long in the tooth once the field spread out though.

[Biggles08]

P.S whoever decided that there didn't need to be power in the prize giving marquee forcing the winners names to be read in the dark by torchlight - you are the man!!

Absolutely amateur hour wasn't it! I could not believe the final round of the NZSBK prize giving was held in such appalling conditions...very unprofessional when all it would have taken was a little "for-sight" (ok...terrible pun I know) for power and lighting! Not to mention that the 600SP riders were unable to give a speech to thank their sponsors and team for all the effort they put in! WTF?!

[Genie]

Sorry to read of your dissapproval...perhaps you could also voice your concerns to those in a postion to do something about it otherwise this may happen time and time again. One can really 'hear' your frustration.

[sidecar bob]

Sadly, im not going to argue with poster one.
In all fairness, the problem that caused the day two oil spill would have never been found during scrutineering.
Who scrutineers them? an extremely meticulous chap that has been competing & scrutineering sidecars for a number of years (no not me). His own machine is by far the best presented sidecar in NZ.
Unfortunately, a scrutineer cant compensate for sheer muntage (That is, when someone is a complete munter)
I feel AMCC did a brilliant job given the state of things, & if our "friend" hadnt spewed oil all over the track, lighting wouldnt have been needed at the prizegiving, as it would have taken place an hour earlier.

[TonyB]

Sadly, im not going to argue with poster one. Bugger. And I thought this would be entertaining...

Serious question- Given that sidecars don't lean, how hard would it be to have a decent sized tray big enough to contain all of the fluids under the engine?

At the 2010 Nelson Port races, races were seriously delayed twice when classics left huge oil slicks, one went about 2/3 of the way around the track. I couldn't help thinking that it could easily be avoided if bikes these were forced to have some sort of oil containment system.

[sidecar bob]

Bugger. And I thought this would be entertaining...

Serious question- Given that sidecars don't lean, how hard would it be to have a decent sized tray big enough to contain all of the fluids under the engine?

At the 2010 Nelson Port races, races were seriously delayed twice when classics left huge oil slicks, one went about 2/3 of the way around the track. I couldn't help thinking that it could easily be avoided if bikes these were forced to have some sort of oil containment system.
They all do & are required to by the rules.
This thing emptied its entire sump into the tray & it was sloshing over the sides.

[Trudes]

And people chuck off at Buckets being shitty, badly built and generally the "arse-end" of racing..... :shutup:
I like the sidecars, they're something a bit different to watch and those guys and girls are NUTS!

[CHOPPA]

Nice thread!

Its a shame all the sidecars get labelled when really it was just one fucken idiot, was he the one that cocked up friday as well?? I have spoken to several eye witnesses that said they could see the thing smoking and they kept goin! He should have his licence suspended for unsportsmenlike conduct, I would have prob had mine suspended if i could have found where they were pitted....

I certainly brought it to the attention of the club but it wasnt just the oil it was all the bloody rocks that were all over the track!

[old rig]

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success? When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?

welll what i am really achieving racing a heap of shit ancient gsxr1100 power piece of crap is a FUCKING big :D and i guess i must have filled it with too much water you munter

[sidecar bob]

I have to correct you on one point poster one. The orange GSXR1100 outfit didnt blow steam or oil, it was one of the most oiltight machines there & dosent even have a radiator to blow steam from.
Those guys are doing their "apprenticeship" on it & are safe sound competitors, & all 'round top blokes with great senses of humour.

[Robert Taylor]

Absolutely amateur hour wasn't it! I could not believe the final round of the NZSBK prize giving was held in such appalling conditions...very unprofessional when all it would have taken was a little "for-sight" (ok...terrible pun I know) for power and lighting! Not to mention that the 600SP riders were unable to give a speech to thank their sponsors and team for all the effort they put in! WTF?!

Not only the 600 riders.....................

[woodyracer]

Yer i was pissed off too!!, had no last race thanks for the sidecars... they do look fun though..

[rwh]

Serious question- Given that sidecars don't lean, how hard would it be to have a decent sized tray big enough to contain all of the fluids under the engine?

The fact that it doesn't lean makes it worse.

Richard

[scrivy]

A sidechair/sidecar/sidecrap dumps a huge load of oil on the track yet again causing massive delays and no doubt causing several of the crashes in the proceeding races...... Questions....

#1 Who scrutineers these things? Whilst some are very good, clean competition machines, others(most?) would be laughed out of the pits in any other country. Filthy, poorly built and maintained bikes should not be on the track especially at a national championship event. 1 bike stands out above all others, and yes it is a mess.

#2 Who cares about sidechairs? Watch the stand empty when they are up next, seriously. It is a perfect time to get a hotdog or take a piss which is exactly what 75% of the people seem to do. With so many exciting classes that would actually interest people, raced by modern bikes wtf are they even doing there? Don't really agree with you on this one. Ask the spectators at Wangy or Paeroa etc. if they like them. But each unto their own.


#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success?
I've raced and won twice in Aus, so too has Colin Buckley, and Chris Lawrance has raced at the I.O.M.
When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?
Or racing any other machine in the class....... a one horse race really....

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.

P.S whoever decided that there didn't need to be power in the prize giving marquee forcing the winners names to be read in the dark by torchlight - you are the man!!

Man, I really wished I'd been there now.................

[Kiwi Graham]

Think its unfair to lump all sidecars together. Some are clearly pristine machines, others old but solid and reliable and then there is the dogs breakfasts. Having a look round their pits speaks wonders for the profesionalism of some of them however some looked like a bloody scrap yard!

No lights in the prize giving tent.............agreed they wouldnt have been needed but for the oil clean up and it all seemed a bit rushed.
Next year will be so much better. better infrastructure and lessons learnt from this year, hey we may even have garages!!!!!

[jellywrestler]

Nice thread!

Its a shame all the sidecars get labelled when really it was just one fucken idiot, was he the one that cocked up friday as well?? I have spoken to several eye witnesses that said they could see the thing smoking and they kept goin! He should have his licence suspended for unsportsmenlike conduct, I would have prob had mine suspended if i could have found where they were pitted....
! thanks for pointing out that it was just one team Chop, typical spoilt brat (motogp1) tars them all with the same brush.
Iv'e raced sidecars and I can sympathise with them continueing around the track. I was commentating at the time and yes there was lots of smoke I called for the black flag and i'm sure the team were not aware of the smoke or problem it certainally didn't appear to corner any differently through turn one indicating to me that they didn't have oil on their rear tyre and it seemed to have all it's power between turn one and coca cola.

When you're on a Solo and you get into a slide you're the only one involved, you know whether you've made an error or there could be another problem and should slow down etc. When a Sidecar has rear wheel traction issues it could be several things, oil etc, your own or some on the track, it could also be your passengers gone, checking the passngers there only means they're there, it may also be that the passenger made a mistake etc. what I'm trying to say its not always obvious that there's an issue. you also have 200mm of rear rubber on the track so oil is not as obvious as on a solo.
I'm as dissapointed as a lot of others are that this happened but I'm sure Pete or Dion weren't aware of the problem and continued on their way
Spyda

[TonyB]

They all do & are required to by the rules.
This thing emptied its entire sump into the tray & it was sloshing over the sides.

Fill the tray with this then (http://www.tbmperformance.com/products/Anti%252dSlosh-Fuel-Tank-Foam.html)

[sidecar bob]

Fill the tray with this then (http://www.tbmperformance.com/products/Anti%252dSlosh-Fuel-Tank-Foam.html)

Great idea, but maybe we should just start with not banging a plastic plug into the hole in the bottom of the sump where the level sensor was removed from.

[Mental Trousers]

It's a shame it happened. However, as already mentioned the sidecars are very closely examined at scrutineering as they've had to put up with lots of sidecars always blow up and dump oil everywhere complaints in the past. Admittedly, in the past those complaints were accurate but in the past few years the sidecar community has done a lot to sort out those criticisms.

Overall it was a bloody good day. Some things didn't go quite as planned, ie the 1.5 hour delay (I didn't time it) because of that blow up, getting underway a little bit late in the morning, the power/lighting etc and other things, but overall the AMCC did a bloody good job and should be happy (for the most part) with how things went.

[neil_cb125t]

Wait a minute i wanna make im reading this right....

did a poorly put together sidecar cause a motorcycle road racing event to be held up due to them spilling oil, and they dragged it halfway round the track........ And it could have been avioded......

"Ah side cars REGULARY blow out and seem to do about 3/4 of a lap before they decide to get of the fucking track.. then they take 900 hours to rescue, example at nationals when we needed to remove the bodywork to get one out of T1's gravel trap." quote from another thread...maybe a week ago from someone who didn't know much about sidecars......

We're so lucky that they are coming to the VMCC series!!

[vtec]

Neil, you are reading correct. I sense your sarcasm also. It is frustrating as hell. And caused many crashes in the other classes that followed; 3 no 125gp's went down at once in turn one. Also, the oil went all the way round the track, I'm pretty sure it was on every corner. The cement dust helped, but also created another hazard aswell, just not as bad as oil by itself. Bloody scary coming into turn one on the brakes and tipping in at close to 200kph, and then you run onto the dust/oil trail.

I like the sidecars, and the spectators love them too. I just wish they would stop killing people and spilling oil. When I raced Pukekohe Nationals a couple of years ago, there was a fatality. And Paeroa this year too. It's not good, cause it's not like there's a huge number of them out there. Something's not right.

[Squiggles]

Farr, how often do the other fields waste time with mechanical problems & crashes?

[Kickaha]

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.


So has there never been a meeting ruined or held up by any other class?



Serious question- Given that sidecars don't lean, how hard would it be to have a decent sized tray big enough to contain all of the fluids under the engine?

We all comply with rule 27.11.1 Oil and Coolant Containment

Applies to sidecar four stroke machines, excluding sidecars covered in Chapters 23,
24 and 25.
In the area directly below the engine, the oil containment tray must be constructed
to hold, in case of an engine breakdown at least half of the total oil and engine
coolant capacity used in the engine (minimum 5 litres). The surrounding edges of
the tray must beat least 50mm above the bottom of the tray. The tray should
incorporate a maximum of two holes of 25mm in diameter and be closed with
rubber plugs These holes must remain closed in dry conditions and only opened
when wet race conditions have been declared by the clerk of the course.

The sidecar that dumped the oil was checked and found to comply with this rule


At the 2010 Nelson Port races, races were seriously delayed twice when classics left huge oil slicks, one went about 2/3 of the way around the track. I couldn't help thinking that it could easily be avoided if bikes these were forced to have some sort of oil containment system.

Can't be true, surely not a meeting held by oil dropped by something other than a sidecar?:blink: but hey it was a two wheeler so that makes it all right


.maybe a week ago from someone who didn't know much about sidecars......

Didn't know much? nah doesn't know anything more like :bleh:


We're so lucky that they are coming to the VMCC series!!

That's quite correct you are, come and see us and we'll take you out for a few laps unless you're to much of a pussy:shifty:



I like the sidecars, and the spectators love them too. I just wish they would stop killing people and spilling oil. When I raced Pukekohe Nationals a couple of years ago, there was a fatality. And Paeroa this year too. It's not good, cause it's not like there's a huge number of them out there. Something's not right.

Haven't you forgotten the double fatality the year after the sidecar one at Puke ? dangerous things those 600s, and what about the fatal at the Vic club meeting, it's not just sidecars who kill people


Farr, how often do the other fields waste time with mechanical problems & crashes?

The longest delay I have ever seen at a meeting was the first Nationals I did when a F3 bike went down and there was close to a 2 hour delay cleaning up the oil it dumped on a wet track, fucking F3 bikes, should get rid of them

[lostinflyz]

Neil, you are reading correct. I sense your sarcasm also. It is frustrating as hell. And caused many crashes in the other classes that followed; 3 no 125gp's went down at once in turn one. Also, the oil went all the way round the track, I'm pretty sure it was on every corner. The cement dust helped, but also created another hazard aswell, just not as bad as oil by itself. Bloody scary coming into turn one on the brakes and tipping in at close to 200kph, and then you run onto the dust/oil trail.

I like the sidecars, and the spectators love them too. I just wish they would stop killing people and spilling oil. When I raced Pukekohe Nationals a couple of years ago, there was a fatality. And Paeroa this year too. It's not good, cause it's not like there's a huge number of them out there. Something's not right.

the 125's went down for a variety of reasons, none of which i believe relate to oil.

The clean up was pretty good i thought, grip wasn't fantastic but wasn't bad, not sure if that was all oil related either.

the cement dust was mint, it gave a good reference point coming over the hill into turn one!

[Kickaha]

the 125's went down for a variety of reasons, none of which i believe relate to oil.

How dare you imply it wasn't the sidecars fault

[sinfull]

Aint motorcycle racing a sport ?

[lostinflyz]

as a note oil Catchement belly pans are mandatory at irish road race meetings (at least the NW200, and i assume the IOM) that must contain a certain amount of liquid, this applies to all bikes.

[SWERVE]

I must agree with the "sidecars on- time for a piss comment" I will watch any kind of bike racing (some of the smaller cc class provide the best racing) but NZ sidecars are a shambles.
have seen full grids of these at Nurburgring and other european tracks and they are spectacular. But NZ crowds including racers that are watching dissapear in droves when the sidcar race begins.
Feel sorry for the couple of outfits that are latest spec and the money invested in them is BIG............... but have to ask WHY have a world class set-up that cost a gazzillion dollars when you are racing against FAR inferior machinary & Munters.
Yes it isnt only them that drop oil................classsics have always been a NO1 contender for this but of late they are improving. The catchmant systems do not and will not catch & contain an entire oil or water system of a moving vehicle..............but it should help to minimise spllage to a large degree.
I always thought that the BIG BRIGHT ORANGE OR RED oil light was a good indication of your engine having just gone bang..........however only works if ou have one and its working! (probebly being used to "bung" up a hole somewhwere eh)

[blueblade]

I have nothing against sidecars, in fact I quite enjoy watching them. However it was pretty dissapointing to see this particular rig pass our viewing position (turn 3) with the swinger clearly looking backwards to see what the problem was, and for them to then carry on - on the racing line until they were well out of our sight. We were absolutely stunned that they didnt pull off immediately. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems from other comments that they continued on track back to the pits. It seems improbable that the swinger did not see they were dumping something on the track because we could see it from 50 yards away - and prior to arriving at our position they had been also billowing huge clouds of smoke.
Its very unfair to tar all the sidecars with the same brush - but on the face of it this pairing looked like a couple of muppets and really let the side down.

[sidecar bob]

Its very unfair to tar all the sidecars with the same brush - but on the face of it this pairing looked like a couple of muppets and really let the side down.

Oh dear, ive just come back in from rolling around the lawn crying with laughter.
Whats that saying, if it looks like a chocolate fish, its probably a chocolate fish, or some shit like that.

[MSTRS]

This thread simply highlights the problem raised here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/104122-Flags-colours-and-their-use) If the competitor doesn't get off the track, what efforts( and how) are made by the flaggies etc to get them off?
Who cares what sort of machine it is, the problem affects everyone.

[neil_cb125t]

This thread simply highlights the problem raised here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/104122-Flags-colours-and-their-use) If the competitor doesn't get off the track, what efforts( and how) are made by the flaggies etc to get them off?
Who cares what sort of machine it is, the problem affects everyone.

That is the point yes - we are playing the blame game. I suppose the problem is if one or two or even 3 bikes go down on one corner - we only have one corner on the track that is needed to be attended to... also when every other competitior goes back out there you only adjust your riding for that one corner.

For some reason chairs seem to have habit of NOT pulling off the track and stopping..... if a 2 wheeler leaks fiuld they fall off within seconds.... i know ive done it ( re blown oil line going into the esses at manny - i didnt even get to turn into the left hander!)

[neil_cb125t]

yeah its a tough one to sort - but simply put we either tighten up machine requirements aka closer inspection of machines, or the operators need to tighten there act up.

if its a unexpected blow up then fine - but PULL OFF THE BLOODY TRACK, no one will get angry with anyone who has done there best to make every elses day still continue.

is there a 'chair' over riding/seeing body within MNZ??

[Kickaha]

For some reason chairs seem to have habit of NOT pulling off the track and stopping.....

We once popped a motor a few years back, the result is my avatar picture, we didn't even know we were on fire until we got off the track

[neil_cb125t]

Can't be true, surely not a meeting held by oil dropped by something other than a sidecar?:blink: but hey it was a two wheeler so that makes it all right

Nope read my last few posts - 2 wheelers stop pretty quick ( sometimes on purpose but not always )


The longest delay I have ever seen at a meeting was the first Nationals I did when a F3 bike went down and there was close to a 2 hour delay cleaning up the oil it dumped on a wet track, fucking F3 bikes, should get rid of them[/QUOTE]

Nice dig at F3 - its a pretty sh*t class really - only about 45 turn up every VMCC round.... doesn't really get people into racing.

[neil_cb125t]

We once popped a motor a few years back, the result is my avatar picture, we didn't even know we were on fire until we got off the track

yes very cool picture - but notice your swinger has his hand up indicating he is slowing down and or stopping...... thats all that needed here!!

[lukemillar]

yes very cool picture - but notice your swinger has his hand up indicating he is slowing down and or stopping...... thats all that needed here!!

Plus, you don't have to worry about oil on the track as he's doing a nice job of burning it off! Very considerate if you ask me :yes:

[Kickaha]

Nice dig at F3 - its a pretty sh*t class really - only about 45 turn up every VMCC round.... doesn't really get people into racing.

Wasn't intended as a dig just pointing out we're not the only ones that can cause long delays


yes very cool picture - but notice your swinger has his hand up indicating he is slowing down and or stopping...... thats all that needed here!!

That was me with the hand up, I knew we'd had a failure but we didn't have a clue what it was

[Kickaha]

Anything to keep you lot happy:yes:

[Shaun]

Great idea, but maybe we should just start with not banging a plastic plug into the hole in the bottom of the sump where the level sensor was removed from.



or perhaps even stop using a grinder on Motorcycle discs, who is professional and who is not

[Shaun]

The said sidecar DID NOT cause any delay. The schedule was, sidecars race--LUNCH BREAK!!

The time it took to clean the track, was done in the lunch break time zone

This thread is being used by certain parties to try and high ligjht there own agenda's

[Kickaha]

The said sidecar DID NOT cause any delay. The schedule was, sidecars race--LUNCH BREAK!!


As much as I would like to think that was correct I was sure they had a the lunch break, then the 125GP were out then us Sidecars

[Kiwi Graham]

The said sidecar DID NOT cause any delay. The schedule was, sidecars race--LUNCH BREAK!!

The time it took to clean the track, was done in the lunch break time zone

This thread is being used by certain parties to try and high ligjht there own agenda's

Yeah sorry mate the lunch break was before the GP's, then the sidecars then the .......................

[sidecar bob]

or perhaps even stop using a grinder on Motorcycle discs, who is professional and who is not

Which liar told you it was a grinding disc? You need to get your facts straight.
It was an emery wheel to put a honed finish on the rotors so the pads would settle down quicker, & hey, it worked great!
If you'd wandered over you would have seen the perfect even as new finish on the rotors when i finished.
It also knocked over a second off Mr Reynold's lap times as well.

[sidecar bob]

The said sidecar DID NOT cause any delay. The schedule was, sidecars race--LUNCH BREAK!!

The time it took to clean the track, was done in the lunch break time zone

This thread is being used by certain parties to try and high ligjht there own agenda's
So it was a great idea & we should all do it again??
who is high lighting an agenda? i dont have one & i cant see anyone else pushing their barrow.
Actually, i do, it is to take the piss out of anybody that deserves it purely for my own entertainment.

[scrivy]

Which liar told you it was a grinding disc? You need to get your facts straight.
It was an emery wheel to put a honed finish on the rotors so the pads would settle down quicker, & hey, it worked great!

WTF??? Bob, you used a grinder on your discs?? You egg, I've told you before - you use them on your brake lines.........
Oh, hang on, thats not right.......... that's why you do the maintenance work and I don't..........
That's the good thing about having you do the work - you're a fully qualified 'A' grade mechanic that works on BMW's, Mercs', Porsche's etc. It would never enter my mind that you'd use a grinder on a disc. Also, when you have done the job, it doesn't need revisiting again the same day.
Motor racing is about having trust in your equipment. After you have worked on it, I will race it 100% all day long and know its fit to do so. I can't recall a time when either of our engines leaked oil due to you 'unprofessionally' working on them.

Sorry Shaun, but your idea that Bob is unprofessional just doesn't stack up dude.
That would be like saying you don't know jack shit about bike set up or susupension or whatever else you do well for your sport. So, whoever told you Bob was using a grinder on his discs was a straight out liar (and a munter).

Again, you are right Shaun, there are people on this site that solely go out to discredit people - but in the end, they are always proven wrong.

[Ozzy27]

[QUOTE=motogp1;1129700581]A sidechair/sidecar/sidecrap dumps a huge load of oil on the track yet again causing massive delays and no doubt causing several of the crashes in the proceeding races...... Questions....

#1 Who scrutineers these things? Whilst some are very good, clean competition machines, others(most?) would be laughed out of the pits in any other country. Filthy, poorly built and maintained bikes should not be on the track especially at a national championship event.

#2 Who cares about sidechairs? Watch the stand empty when they are up next, seriously. It is a perfect time to get a hotdog or take a piss which is exactly what 75% of the people seem to do. With so many exciting classes that would actually interest people, raced by modern bikes wtf are they even doing there?

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success? When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.


# OIL DOWN PENALTY/REWARDS: We must take action to eliminate wasted time due to oil-downs of the track. Last year, we instituted a rewards program for our racers who install an engine diaper. Winners in Q-16, Super Pro, and No-Electronics will receive a $100.00 ($200.00 max) bonus if they have an engine diaper installed. In an attempt to conclude our races in a reasonable length of time, effective immediately, the following oil-down policy will be in place: Any racer causing the race to be delayed due to track cleanup of more than 15 minutes will be automatically disqualified from the event. Any racer causing more than one 15 minute cleanup during the year will forfeit all points earned during that event and will have $200.00 deducted from any winnings earned during that event. Any racer causing a cleanup of more than 15 minutes during time trials or eliminations will not be allowed another pass down the racetrack for the remainder of the event. No refunds will be issued to any racer and/or crewmember causing any of the above listed infractions.

So Dump oil no point for the round and $200 bucks if it takes time to clean up!!
Bloody good idea and not just for sidecars!!
These could also be an idea http://www.orientexpress.com/Suzuki/Sport/GSX+1300R+Hayabusa/Lower+End/Vanson+Leathers+-+Oil+Diaper+-+Suzuki+-+GSX+1300R+Hayabusa+1999-2007%25252FBallistic+Cordura+Shell%25252FReplaceab le+Absorbent+Inner+Pad%25252FNHRA+Legal.html

[scrivy]

So Dump oil no point for the round and $200 bucks if it takes time to clean up!!
Bloody good idea and not just for sidecars!!


Let's all go race electric bikes...............

[Kickaha]

# OIL DOWN PENALTY/REWARDS: We must take action to eliminate wasted time due to oil-downs of the track. Last year, we instituted a rewards program for our racers who install an engine diaper. Winners in Q-16, Super Pro, and No-Electronics will receive a $100.00 ($200.00 max) bonus if they have an engine diaper installed. In an attempt to conclude our races in a reasonable length of time, effective immediately, the following oil-down policy will be in place: Any racer causing the race to be delayed due to track cleanup of more than 15 minutes will be automatically disqualified from the event. Any racer causing more than one 15 minute cleanup during the year will forfeit all points earned during that event and will have $200.00 deducted from any winnings earned during that event. Any racer causing a cleanup of more than 15 minutes during time trials or eliminations will not be allowed another pass down the racetrack for the remainder of the event. No refunds will be issued to any racer and/or crewmember causing any of the above listed infractions.

So Dump oil no point for the round and $200 bucks if it takes time to clean up!!
Bloody good idea and not just for sidecars!!

Some very good ideas indeed, although I think it should go further in that anyone who causes a red flag incident should be excluded from the results as well

[scrivy]

Those guys are doing their "apprenticeship" on it & are safe sound competitors, & all 'round top blokes with great senses of humour.

....and nice pate and crackers too...........:shifty::shutup::yes:

[yungatart]

I LOVE sidecars! They are awesome to watch, some of the best racing I have seen is in the sidecar class.
I have marshalled at race meetings/track days for almost 6 years now...I have seen EVERY class drop oil and other shit all over the track in that time, from buckets right through to F1.
Hidden agenda? You bet!
Poor form on the part of the OP? I'd say so. Maybe you would like to try tiddlywinks...

I'm looking forward to the Vic Winter series where hopefully the sidecars boys and girls will be there in big numbers!

[scrivy]

Some very good ideas indeed, although I think it should go further in that anyone who causes a red flag incident should be excluded from the results as well

.........even those lying in a hospital bed.........??? :shit::blink:

[Kickaha]

.........even those lying in a hospital bed.........??? :shit::blink:

Yes, because if a race is redflagged it is taken back one lap so they still score points , Pirate finished 4th in the raced that he caused the red flag in

[Ivan]

Fuck Guys abit Harsh!

Sidecars are just as dangerous as anything else we are out there doing it accidents happen and people die sometimes, and it sucks I lost a good mate at Puke the year after the side car fatilty and he was as stated on a 600,

I have been at Vic WInter Series meetigns to and seen oil down on track and there are no sidecars there its them Post classic bikes!! But you dont see us blaming them!

These guys are out there giving it there all

I got to meet Steve Bron and get on with him really well he is a guy running a International rig and he is really really giving it his all and doing wonders for the sport and going to race at World Level! How many of our bike racers are doing that??? not dissing none of our guys I just think that cunts shouldnt brush people up worng because of an accident shit happens motors blow its part of it!!!!!

Like I say at the VMCC the past few seasons I seealot of oil down at the hair pin after a Solo bike has gone down I mean Fuck give these guys a break the sidecar faternity look out for each other alot of our group just wants to put the blame on everyone else,

I feel for the guys who feel off but how would the sidecar boys feel if a superbike spat its oil over the circuit and caused a side car to crash????

[howdamnhard]

Gee I must be one of those 1%ers that enjoy watching sidecar racing. I don't give a flying fuck ( maybe a swimming fuck though) if the riders racing in any particular race are going to ever go on to race internationally either. For me it's about the fun and enjoyment of watching the racing and the same of those racing.
I do agree though that it sucks when any vehicle causes the track to become unsafe for other racers. I'm sure it is never the intention of those that race ,to make the track unsafe for themselves or their fellow competitors.

[Kickaha]

I feel for the guys who feel off but how would the sidecar boys feel if a superbike spat its oil over the circuit and caused a side car to crash????

We'd get blamed for it regardless of who dropped it, I've been at meetings when other classes have dropped oil, yet we still copped the flack for it

[k14]

We'd get blamed for it regardless of who dropped it, I've been at meetings when other classes have dropped oil, yet we still copped the flack for it
Yeah it was probably a chair that dropped part of their frame on the track which then went through the engine cases of a bike :p

[jasonu]

Yeah it was probably a chair that dropped part of their frame on the track which then went through the engine cases of a bike :p

Stupid comment

[Kickaha]

Stupid comment

He knows us, he's taking the piss

We'll give the little wanker a slapping next time we see him

[jasonu]

He knows us, he's taking the piss

We'll give the little wanker a slapping next time we see him

Nice one....

[Kickaha]

The Uk go a bit further than we do with oil containment, from the 2010 ACU rulebook

Oil and coolant containment. In the area directly below the engine, the oil containment tray must be constructed to hold, in the case of an engine breakdown at least half of the total oil and engine coolant capacity used in the engine (min 5 litres).
The surrounding edges of the tray must be at least 30 mm above the bottom of the tray.
This tray should incorporate a maximum of two holes of 25 mm diameter and be closed with rubber plugs. These holes must remain closed in dry conditions, and only opened when wet-race conditions have been declared by the clerk of the course.
The frontal edge from the oil tray wall must be extended upwards to arrive just below, (within 20 mm) the exhaust ports of the engine.
Holes for engine mounts (hangers) must be sealed.
From a vertical view, the engine must be located completely inside the oil tray platform.
The rear wheel must be protected from any possible oil spray. To make this protection, the engine and the rear wheel compartment must be separated.
This separation must be created by installing a solid divider (wall) running from the top of the inside of the bodywork to the bottom of the oil tray. This divider (wall) must overlap the rear edge of the oil tray down to the bottom.
All machines must use this tray.
All sidecars shall attach oil-absorbent materials of no less a quality than 3M product T156 or CEP Sorbents product CEP-EP100.
3
This material shall be securely fixed to the following areas of the sidecar.
1. The entire oil-tray, both the bottom and inside walls of the same. The volume of material used in this area, according to the manufacturer’s specifications, shall absorb not less than 3 litres of oil.
2. Any bodywork directly covering the engine
In the event that oil is absorbed by the material, it must be replaced before the next track session.
The material must be attached in such a way that it should be easily replaced, yet must not become dislodged whilst on the track, and its effectiveness is not inhibited, i.e. if an adhesive is used it must not clog the material, causing it to lose its absorbent properties.
All absorbent material shall be non-flammable by design.

[Biggles08]

Stupid comment
Stupider comment ;-)

[ashracer]

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success?

Buckley/Abrahams won Bathurst sidecars in about 2001, & many NZ sidecars have raced in Aussie over the last 40 years. Scrivener, Glen murray, Steve Bron, Roger Stent, Colin Brewer to mention a few. Lawrance brothers have raced at the IOM tt 5 times, won the Isle of Mann national championship, done countless UK meetings at Silverstone, Brands Hatch mallory park etc. They have also competed in the australian championship & Chris Lawrance rode an 8 hour race at magny Cours (France) and a 6 hour at Nurburg ring Germany, on a solo. So yes some of these guys do get out of NZ & compete. And Steve Bron is doing the world championship...

[ashracer]

[QUOTE=motogp1;1129700581]A sidechair/sidecar/sidecrap dumps a huge load of oil on the track

A lot of people involved in sidecars were furious about this guy. I was fuckin angry. oil containment systems only seem to work when the bike is stationary, not sloshing the spilled oil on a 100mph corner.

One point no one else has noticed about this meeting, why when trye scrub in was set for 9am , were people haveing there photos taken on the track & the day got off 1 hour behind at 10am???

[Biggles08]

One point no one else has noticed about this meeting, why when trye scrub in was set for 9am , were people haveing there photos taken on the track & the day got off 1 hour behind at 10am???

I wasn't, I was in the toilet :-)

[Racey Rider]

Drop oil once - Officials wave their finger at you.
Drop oil twice - You're made to place 'Feminine Hygiene Products' under your motor for the rest of the season!

[sidecar bob]

Drop oil twice - You're made to place 'Feminine Hygiene Products' under your motor for the rest of the season!

Better still, made to wear them on your head?

[cowpoos]

How dare you imply it wasn't the sidecars fault

I love the safety device fitted to your sidecar [in avatar pic]....burns all oil leaving the engine!! all sidecars should be fitted with it!!

[cowpoos]

Stupid comment

FUck off....Cock

[Bren_chch]

Nice one....

Stupid comment

[Kickaha]

Play nice guys, he wasn't to know K14 knows us and was taking the piss

[Bren_chch]

Play nice guys, he wasn't to know K14 knows us and was taking the piss

oil spilling demon!

[White trash]

A sidechair/sidecar/sidecrap dumps a huge load of oil on the track yet again causing massive delays and no doubt causing several of the crashes in the proceeding races...... Questions....

#1 Who scrutineers these things? Whilst some are very good, clean competition machines, others(most?) would be laughed out of the pits in any other country. Filthy, poorly built and maintained bikes should not be on the track especially at a national championship event.

#2 Who cares about sidechairs? Watch the stand empty when they are up next, seriously. It is a perfect time to get a hotdog or take a piss which is exactly what 75% of the people seem to do. With so many exciting classes that would actually interest people, raced by modern bikes wtf are they even doing there?

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success? When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.

P.S whoever decided that there didn't need to be power in the prize giving marquee forcing the winners names to be read in the dark by torchlight - you are the man!!

You know, I read this post this morning and it thoroughly pissed me off. Until I texted a mate comenting on the "Know it all wankers" who seem to frequent KB now days. Having had a day of reflection, I figure you're as entitled to an oppinion as much as this wanker.

So I'll chuck an oar in for shits and giggles.

#1. From what I've personally seen, probably the most professional and certainly one of the most knoledgeable guys in ANY class of motorcycle racing in NZ scrutineers them. Sometimes, when you're stressing race machines to their limits, shit breaks. Bit of a shame that 'cause it costs people a shit load of money just to be there and they certainly don't wish their bike will expire during an event I'm sure.

#2. Depends on where you sit. I was with a bunch of people who got up and went for a wander while the street stock race was taking place. I for one love the initiative and stepping stone nature of the class, I'd love to even take part in it for sheer shits and giggles but by christ it's boring to watch. Horses for courses and all that.

#3. Interestingly, it wasn't a "heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice " that expired and caused the resulting slick. It was a far more modern and professionally built rig, admittedly with an older motor pushing it along. I've seen a three quarter of a million dollar door slammer "oil down" a track from the 60' to well past the 1000' before it stepped out and rolled. Money spent isn't the issue.

See, there's an opposite side to most coins.

[jellywrestler]

the 125's went down for a variety of reasons, none of which i believe relate to oil.

The clean up was pretty good i thought, grip wasn't fantastic but wasn't bad, not sure if that was all oil related either.

the cement dust was mint, it gave a good reference point coming over the hill into turn one!
agreed, I was in the commentators box and they all rode around the oil affected area, one went down and the others got caught up with the first one

[jellywrestler]

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems from other comments that they continued on track back to the pits. .
they pulled over just past the corner after coke

[jellywrestler]

Let's all go race electric bikes............... that might work on the existing hampton downs track but once the full track is used we won't be able to affors the extension leads!

[snapoff]

On friday the sidecar jackass was seen to be leaking oil on the track and after coming in to the pits was found to have a big oil slick up to and under his sidecar ,when told that he was leaking alot of oil and he should inform track officials he replied FUCK THEM!!!!, one man caused alot of crash's all weekend . If victoria club are going to run sidecars at there winter series that beter have alot of ambo's . FUCKEN JACKASS!!!!

[Kickaha]

FUCKEN JACKASS!!!!

I take it that was you signing your name?

[CHOPPA]

On friday the sidecar jackass was seen to be leaking oil on the track and after coming in to the pits was found to have a big oil slick up to and under his sidecar ,when told that he was leaking alot of oil and he should inform track officials he replied FUCK THEM!!!!, one man caused alot of crash's all weekend . If victoria club are going to run sidecars at there winter series that beter have alot of ambo's . FUCKEN JACKASS!!!!

I spotted all the oil cause we were the session after them on friday, i informed the officials after about lap 3 and they stopped our practice and i packed up for the day. Managed to crash on there oil on race day as well.

I have been contacted by a couple of sidecar riders who have apologised for the incident, clearly not there fault and they all feel pretty bad about the whole situation.

I think it would be better directing all the anger and abuse to "pete the pirate" and also complain to mnz... 1 Mistake is fair enough but this is the same idiot that dropped oil at the manfield national round, friday test session and sunday, side car rider, superbike who cares its just this one idiot that should be held accountable.

[Kickaha]

oil spilling demon!

Go fuck yourself, I better not find your Triumph dumped any when you threw it away

[ellipsis]

I better not find your Triumph dumped any when you threw it away

.....in all my 50ish years I have never heard of the Triumph marque having oil retention problems.....well, not on my planet....

[nigela]

On friday the sidecar jackass was seen to be leaking oil on the track and after coming in to the pits was found to have a big oil slick up to and under his sidecar ,when told that he was leaking alot of oil and he should inform track officials he replied FUCK THEM!!!!, one man caused alot of crash's all weekend . If victoria club are going to run sidecars at there winter series that beter have alot of ambo's . FUCKEN JACKASS!!!!

Last season the PMCC Summer Series had Sidecars in it
There wasn't a single oil spill in the whole season from a side car, there was "a few" from solo bikes !!
Sometimes engines blow and oil leaks out
No one likes it but shit happens. Thats racing

[Bren_chch]

Go fuck yourself, I better not find your Triumph dumped any when you threw it away

it did but it waited till it was on the grass

Filthy sidechair bastard! :Punk:

[Ronin]

I love sidecar threads.

:corn:

[Foxzee]

O for the love of god...here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Quasievil]

shit happens on any machine on a track, it doesnt matter if it was a Sidecar or if it was a GSXR1000 (remember eddie's spectacular oil dump when they didnt put the oil filter in right) if youre on the track racing or otherwise you WILL encounter and oil spill, thats why they have oil flags handy.

I think possibly a little bit of a sidecar bash up?? being once a Motard racer and forming the "other kind of racer" Ive been on the end of it to.

I strongly doubt the sidecar guys Knew "absolutely" he was throwing oil on the track, Im sure if he did he would have shut the engine down fast to prevent damage and expensive repairs yeah ?

[Tony.OK]

shit happens on any machine on a track, it doesnt matter if it was a Sidecar or if it was a GSXR1000 (remember eddie's spectacular oil dump when they didnt put the oil filter in right) if youre on the track racing or otherwise you WILL encounter and oil spill, thats why they have oil flags handy.

I think possibly a little bit of a sidecar bash up?? being once a Motard racer and forming the "other kind of racer" Ive been on the end of it to.

I strongly doubt the sidecar guys Knew "absolutely" he was throwing oil on the track, Im sure if he did he would have shut the engine down fast to prevent damage and expensive repairs yeah ?

Now what on earth would a motard chook chaser like you know about anything?..................heheeee :love:

Ban everything and everybody...............prob solved!!:yes:

[sidecar bob]

I strongly doubt the sidecar guys Knew "absolutely" he was throwing oil on the track, Im sure if he did he would have shut the engine down fast to prevent damage and expensive repairs yeah ?

The jury is out on that one. I am aware from a very reliable source that he was determined to return to the track to continue practice on the first day he spilt, knowing full well he was still dropping oil.

[jasonu]

FUck off....Cock

Nice post dickhead. Maybe one day when you are old enough, you could go to a pub and learn a few more insults to use on KB.

[Ronin]

Nice post dickhead. Maybe one day when you are old enough, you could go to a pub and learn a few more insults to use on KB.

:corn:

You haven't met poos have you?

[Quasievil]

Nice post dickhead.


HAHAHAHAHA Poos Dickhead ..............awesome

[Shaun]

HAHAHAHAHA Poos Dickhead ..............awesome



Also "OLD ENOUGH TO LEARN", yea write bah hahahahahahaha

[Kickaha]

:corn:

You haven't met poos have you?

He's been fucking lucky then, there's some days I wish I hadn't :finger:


shit happens on any machine on a track, it doesnt matter if it was a Sidecar or if it was a GSXR1000 (remember eddie's spectacular oil dump when they didnt put the oil filter in right) if youre on the track racing or otherwise you WILL encounter and oil spill, thats why they have oil flags handy.

Where's the "Superbikes ruin another race meeting by dumping oil on the track" thread from that one then?

[sidecar bob]

Where's the "Superbikes ruin another race meeting by dumping oil on the track" thread from that one then?

Theres not one, because superbikes havent attained "victim status" yet.

[jellywrestler]

.....in all my 50ish years I have never heard of the Triumph marque having oil retention problems.....well, not on my planet....
It's so nice with modern technology that stone deaf people like you can enjoy things like the interweb.
reminds me of the definition of Anxiety ----a Triumph powered microlight!

[scrivy]

Theres not one, because superbikes havent attained "victim status" yet.

Didn't you race one back yonder...?

[scracha]

Now what on earth would a motard chook chaser like you know about anything?..................heheeee :love:

Ban everything and everybody...............prob solved!!:yes:

I've a better solution. Put the motards in with the sidecars. Watch the fuckin line changing chook chasers try and cut the nose off a sidecar mid corner. Marvel as they back it in over a puddle of oil. Now I'd PAY A FUCKLOAD to watch that race.

EDIT. And throw in some harleys for good measure.

[Quasievil]

I've a better solution. Put the motards in with the sidecars. Watch the fuckin line changing chook chasers try and cut the nose off a sidecar mid corner. Marvel as they back it in over a puddle of oil. Now I'd PAY A FUCKLOAD to watch that race.

EDIT. And throw in some harleys for good measure.

Ya see thats the attitude right there..............fucking sportsbike riders are homos that only know one way around a corner, the slow way

[NOID]

I've a better solution. Put the motards in with the sidecars. Watch the fuckin line changing chook chasers try and cut the nose off a sidecar mid corner. Marvel as they back it in over a puddle of oil. Now I'd PAY A FUCKLOAD to watch that race.

EDIT. And throw in some harleys for good measure.

your really trying to piss someone off arnt you. why dont you go get a big peice of paper and write "i want to fight you" on it, staple it to your ass and F*CK OFF to your town centre and fight there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we all race bikes, if they have 3 2 or 1 wheel their still bikes

[White trash]

your really trying to piss someone off arnt you. why dont you go get a big peice of paper and write "i want to fight you" on it, staple it to your ass and F*CK OFF to your town centre and fight there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we all race bikes, if they have 3 2 or 1 wheel their still bikes

LOL. It seems humour and sarcasm can't be portrayed online......

[slowpoke]

C'mon now Quasi that's completely untrue....I know waaaaay more than 1 slow way 'round a corner.

[Bren_chch]

I've a better solution. Put the motards in with the sidecars. Watch the fuckin line changing chook chasers try and cut the nose off a sidecar mid corner. Marvel as they back it in over a puddle of oil. Now I'd PAY A FUCKLOAD to watch that race.

EDIT. And throw in some harleys for good measure.

That would be AWESOME!!! can we have options to drop oil via sidecars on certain corners, like u pay 5 bucks and get to push a button remotely and the sidecar of your choice drops say a litre on the corner of your chosing?

[Quasievil]

C'mon now Quasi that's completely untrue....I know waaaaay more than 1 slow way 'round a corner.

Fuck off youre fast as dude.............okay not the fastest on the day (last week) but youre fast bro!!

[Kickaha]

That would be AWESOME!!! can we have options to drop oil via sidecars on certain corners, like u pay 5 bucks and get to push a button remotely and the sidecar of your choice drops say a litre on the corner of your chosing?

Can the sidecar passengers, take stuff with them to throw at the Motard riders as well?:dodge:

[Quasievil]

Can the sidecar passengers, take stuff with them to throw at the Motard riders as well?:dodge:
Yeah mate, we will tie shotguns facing the rear so we can take shots in the first 5 secs of the race, and thereafter each lap as we go past you. ;-)

[scracha]

your really trying to piss someone off arnt you. why dont you go get a big peice of paper and write "i want to fight you" on it, staple it to your ass and F*CK OFF to your town centre and fight there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we all race bikes, if they have 3 2 or 1 wheel their still bikes

Epic success. Even Quasi spotted the clear wind-up.

[Morcs]

Personally I dont think the delay on day two was that bad.
Especially taking into account just how far behind the schedule was already for no reason apparent to me?

Sidecars are cool. Clean racing in other classes is sometimes boring to watch, sidecars are a breath of fresh air when they come on.

[paigeo]

Take a close look at any class racing. There is always going to be bikes that let the rest down. Poorly maintained heaps of shit. It must be great to sit back on your couch and winge about every little thing. Just because they arent your cup of tea doesnt mean nobody enjoys them.:shutup:

After many years racing bikes I had the chance to swing on a sidecar. Totally blew me away. The effort and G force they pull was incredible.I have never been so exhausted racing before.
I have a new level of respect for them now.

[Billy]

Take a close look at any class racing. There is always going to be bikes that let the rest down. Poorly maintained heaps of shit. It must be great to sit back on your couch and winge about every little thing. Just because they arent your cup of tea doesnt mean nobody enjoys them.:shutup:

After many years racing bikes I had the chance to swing on a sidecar. Totally blew me away. The effort and G force they pull was incredible.I have never been so exhausted racing before.
I have a new level of respect for them now.

Yip,Absolutely agree,Had a swing on a speedway sidecar back in the eighties when I was younger and sort of fit,Only managed to hang on for 3 laps and as youve stated couldnt beleive the Gforces involved

[Drew]

Haven't even read all of the first fuckin page and I'm boiling at the bung.

I'm getting a rig with my brother, and although I really hope it never lunches itself and drops oil, but really look forward to smashing the first fuckwit in the face that makes a comment about how it's always rigs that cause delays.

I've raced a few yearrs now, and never once seen a rig drop it's load. Watched a mate on a K6 gixxer six slide along the end of Taupo's bake straight after it did it though, a couple of post classic bikes chuck a leg out of bed and do the same, and F3 bike spew every fluid it held, and so on and so fourth.

The class needs some new blood for sure, and I can only hope to present it well enough that interest is spurred. I doubt very much that getting into fist fights with one eyed cock smokers like this motoGP1 character will do that, but it'll keep people watching I bet.

Neil, you can jam it up your arse man. YOU race an outdated fuckin machine, with NO fuckin future to speak of since there are now current bikes that comply with the rules of your class. How about you fuck off since most people only watch the front of a race, and at nationals level you aint gonna be there? Because you love doing what you do, and you have fun. Why the fuck cant I do the same at the vic series, just in a smaller numbered field?

I have used much profanity in my post, as an indication of how angry the hypocrites on this place make me. I too am a hypocrite in many ways, but I make up for it in passion for things I enjoy.

[naveb]

Just returned to bikes after a long break. Was shocked at the idiot sidecar loser laying oil all over the track on practice day, then again on the race day ( go 111 ) Sidecars are a joke, a 3 wheeled car, no leaning etc 1 more wheel and it would be .....a cart...... there's a good idea race them at car meets. After the Superbike TT there would have been 2 people watching the sidecars shambles. AMCC should ban the oil belching piece of junk from ever competing again.

[Drew]

Ya see thats the attitude right there..............fucking sportsbike riders are homos that only know one way around a corner, the slow wayFunny that Bret, since whenever I saw Bruce Telford take his bike out, he smoked the rest of the 'tard riders, and he rides knee out styles.

[Drew]

Just returned to bikes after a long break. Was shocked at the idiot sidecar loser laying oil all over the track on practice day, then again on the race day ( go 111 ) Sidecars are a joke, a 3 wheeled car, no leaning etc 1 more wheel and it would be .....a cart...... there's a good idea race them at car meets. After the Superbike TT there would have been 2 people watching the sidecars shambles. AMCC should ban the oil belching piece of junk from ever competing again.Great wind up as a first post from a pseudonym I'm thinking. Here's my argument though.

Craig dropped his superbike three times in total over the weekend, add up the cleanup time to that and see how bad the side cars look. And that's just one rider out of all the other classes. I reckon the chair boys should be up in arms about the time lost, not the other way round.

[Ivan]

Haven't even read all of the first fuckin page and I'm boiling at the bung.

I'm getting a rig with my brother, and although I really hope it never lunches itself and drops oil, but really look forward to smashing the first fuckwit in the face that makes a comment about how it's always rigs that cause delays.

I've raced a few yearrs now, and never once seen a rig drop it's load. Watched a mate on a K6 gixxer six slide along the end of Taupo's bake straight after it did it though, a couple of post classic bikes chuck a leg out of bed and do the same, and F3 bike spew every fluid it held, and so on and so fourth.

The class needs some new blood for sure, and I can only hope to present it well enough that interest is spurred. I doubt very much that getting into fist fights with one eyed cock smokers like this motoGP1 character will do that, but it'll keep people watching I bet.

Neil, you can jam it up your arse man. YOU race an outdated fuckin machine, with NO fuckin future to speak of since there are now current bikes that comply with the rules of your class. How about you fuck off since most people only watch the front of a race, and at nationals level you aint gonna be there? Because you love doing what you do, and you have fun. Why the fuck cant I do the same at the vic series, just in a smaller numbered field?

I have used much profanity in my post, as an indication of how angry the hypocrites on this place make me. I too am a hypocrite in many ways, but I make up for it in passion for things I enjoy.


Agree with you fully here as I stated earlier I have seen Solos spilling fluids I remember Gareths R1 going bang and Andrew got oil over his visor still have it on video and that was a top of the line well maintaned R1 Superbike

These things happen I dont think that guy actually planned to dump his oil either

[Kickaha]

Craig dropped his superbike three times in total over the weekend, add up the cleanup time to that and see how bad the side cars look. And that's just one rider out of all the other classes. I reckon the chair boys should be up in arms about the time lost, not the other way round.

Fucking Superbike riding homo holding us up, he should have stayed in the first sandpit he crashed in

[Billy]

Fucking Superbike riding homo holding us up, he should have stayed in the first sandpit he crashed in

No way,He was on a mission to use up all the spares they had left,Therefore allowing them to apply for an increased budget next year,Hes really pissed Hayden didnt do the same swan dive he did at the end of the last race,Therefore leaving them with a whole bike

[Drew]

No way,He was on a mission to use up all the spares they had left,Therefore allowing them to apply for an increased budget next year,Hes really pissed Hayden didnt do the same swan dive he did at the end of the last race,Therefore leaving them with a whole bike

Two whole bikes, since neither of them biffed Haydens "b" bike.

[scrivy]

No way,He was on a mission to use up all the spares they had left,Therefore allowing them to apply for an increased budget next year,Hes really pissed Hayden didnt do the same swan dive he did at the end of the last race,Therefore leaving them with a whole bike

I heard the judges scored it a 9 out of 10!!! :shifty::shutup:

[scrivy]

Haven't even read all of the first fuckin page and I'm boiling at the bung. Roids again............ :blink:

I'm getting a rig with my brother, .... Oh great - there's another mobile chicane..... :innocent::yes:

I've raced a few yearrs now, and never once seen a rig drop it's load. Ever seen a passenger drop his load??? Not pretty, I tell ya!! Watched a mate on a K6 gixxer six slide along the end of Taupo's bake straight after it did it though, a couple of post classic bikes chuck a leg out of bed and do the same, and F3 bike spew every fluid it held, and so on and so fourth.

The class needs some new blood (how about you use talent - not blood....) for sure, and I can only hope to present it well enough that interest is spurred. I doubt very much that getting into fist fights with one eyed cock smokers like this motoGP1 character will do that, but it'll keep people watching I bet.

I have used much profanity in my post, as an indication of how angry the hypocrites on this place make me. I too am a hypocrite in many ways, but I make up for it in passion for things I enjoy. You passionate for ice cream and chocolate too??? LOL!!!

[snapoff]

[QUOTE=Drew;1129704432]Great wind up as a first post from a pseudonym I'm thinking. Here's my argument though.

Craig dropped his superbike three times in total over the weekend, add up the cleanup time to that and see how bad the side cars look. And that's just one rider out of all the other classes. I reckon the chair boys should be up in arms about the time lost, not the other way round.[/QUOTE Hayden crashed on Friday after the sidecars went out there was no hold up ,Craig crashed on Friday afternoon after the sidecars went out there was no hold up , Craig crashed on Satday yes there was a hold up but was the pirate on the track befor him ? number three crash was just a track thing ,

[Kickaha]

Craig crashed on Satday yes there was a hold up but was the pirate on the track befor him ?,

Good try, would you like me to send you another straw it clutch at

[Drew]

You passionate for ice cream and chocolate too??? LOL!!!I cant escape the feeling that this is a pick up line Scriv. You're not doing a lot to dispell the theory that rig riders like to ride pole aswell ya know.


Great wind up as a first post from a pseudonym I'm thinking. Here's my argument though.

Craig dropped his superbike three times in total over the weekend, add up the cleanup time to that and see how bad the side cars look. And that's just one rider out of all the other classes. I reckon the chair boys should be up in arms about the time lost, not the other way round.
Hayden crashed on Friday after the sidecars went out there was no hold up ,Craig crashed on Friday afternoon after the sidecars went out there was no hold up , Craig crashed on Satday yes there was a hold up but was the pirate on the track befor him ? number three crash was just a track thing ,Fine, Craig only held up the guy on the track behind him, but he's old so we'll go easy on him.

[chrispy121]

guys do they have many side car events at overseas racing events Nationals?

If every one knows side cars blow up and spew oil why put them on just before the main event Superbikes?
I.e oil on track for the fastest racing on the day does not sound smart to me


then again I could be and often am wrong

[Crasherfromwayback]

That was me with the hand up, I knew we'd had a failure but we didn't have a clue what it was

A failure alright mate...you've got one too many wheels! But seriously, sidecar racing in NZ ain't a happening thing. I'd love to see it take off, as I enjoy watching you guys when there's a few similar paced chairs going for it. But six, spaced out by hundreds of metres...going at way different speeds? Nah. Racing fail.

[cowpoos]

H but really look forward to smashing the first fuckwit in the face that makes a comment about how it's always rigs that cause delays.
.

Its always fucking rigs [rigs??? I mean wtf...a rig in a fuck off big truck...your riding a trike you girl...deal with it...your penis is small!!] that cause delays..

[cowpoos]

chair boys .

Its a chair now...or a rig or a what?? may aswell be a chair...chairs don't move...mind you...you'll still fall of it and get cramp!

[sidecar bob]

Its a fuggin "outfit" FFS!! Or, as Barry Sheene always said when he was commentating 500 GP "Thing".

[cowpoos]

Its a fuggin "outfit" FFS!! Or, as Barry Sheene always said when he was commentating 500 GP "Thing".

eh...Bob....an outfit??? you mean like a red dress and heels and shit like that?

[Pussy]

eh...Bob....an outfit??? you mean like a red dress and heels and shit like that?

Don't forget the fishnets.... sidecar bob looks pretty good in them....

[Kickaha]

guys do they have many side car events at overseas racing events Nationals?
Yes they do, as well as racing them at SBK and MotoGp rounds


If every one knows side cars blow up and spew oil why put them on just before the main event Superbikes?

They don't do it anywhere near as much as people make out, a decade or so ago they might of, but there's a bunch of dumb arseholes who can't get past that , it wouldn't matter if we didn't drop any for the next twenty years they'd still whine about it


Its always fucking rigs [rigs??? I mean wtf...a rig in a fuck off big truck...your riding a trike you girl...deal with it...your penis is small!!] that cause delays..

Delayed would be a good way of describing you

[Kickaha]

Don't forget the fishnets.... sidecar bob looks pretty good in them....

And you would know that how?

[Pussy]

And you would know that how?

You saying you've NEVER been to a race meet that bob has attended??

[scrivy]

it wouldn't matter if we didn't drop any for the next twenty years they'd still whine about it

.............fuck just 1 sheep....................

[CHOPPA]

The superbikes crashed and caused hold ups yeah.... But after the track was cleared we could still ride as usual, after the sidecar went around and around even after huge delays the track was fucked, i packed up along with most other people on friday after the oil spill. I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

Thing is with a 2 wheeled bike if your dropping that much bloody oil chances are you will find out pretty quick! That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

[Kickaha]

I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

The oil spill from Friday?


That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

You mean on the Friday? because he didn't do 4 laps Sunday with it pissing out

[gixerracer]

Superbikes??? You meen superbike it was allways me haha that caused the hold up
The superbikes crashed and caused hold ups yeah.... But after the track was cleared we could still ride as usual, after the sidecar went around and around even after huge delays the track was fucked, i packed up along with most other people on friday after the oil spill. I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

Thing is with a 2 wheeled bike if your dropping that much bloody oil chances are you will find out pretty quick! That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

[Kickaha]

Superbikes??? You meen superbike it was allways me haha that caused the hold up

We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

[cowpoos]

We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

Yeah I'll teach the boy some tricks...

[gixerracer]

but im all ready crap
We could hook you up with Cowpoos for some ridng lessons, that might help

[Foxzee]

thanks for pointing out that it was just one team Chop, typical spoilt brat (motogp1) tars them all with the same brush.
Iv'e raced sidecars and I can sympathise with them continueing around the track. I was commentating at the time and yes there was lots of smoke I called for the black flag and i'm sure the team were not aware of the smoke or problem it certainally didn't appear to corner any differently through turn one indicating to me that they didn't have oil on their rear tyre and it seemed to have all it's power between turn one and coca cola.

When you're on a Solo and you get into a slide you're the only one involved, you know whether you've made an error or there could be another problem and should slow down etc. When a Sidecar has rear wheel traction issues it could be several things, oil etc, your own or some on the track, it could also be your passengers gone, checking the passngers there only means they're there, it may also be that the passenger made a mistake etc. what I'm trying to say its not always obvious that there's an issue. you also have 200mm of rear rubber on the track so oil is not as obvious as on a solo.
I'm as dissapointed as a lot of others are that this happened but I'm sure Pete or Dion weren't aware of the problem and continued on their way
Spyda

I need to talk to you.................

[Drew]

but im all ready crap
Admitting it's the first step mate. I'm sure you'll be better with some practice.

[CHOPPA]

The oil spill from Friday?



You mean on the Friday? because he didn't do 4 laps Sunday with it pissing out Thats how many laps he did in total (friday and sunday) with oil pissing out

Na i meant to say i crashed on sunday in the oil

[Kickaha]

Thats how many laps he did in total (Friday and Sunday) with oil pissing out

Not sure on how many he did on Friday, he pulled off with gear change issues due to the selector cover coming loose which was where the oil came from, on Sunday it was probably close to 1/2 - 2/3 a lap , I originally thought it'd gone about the start finish line as that was when the bike went up in smoke but then he continued to corner 4 before pulling off, when we did the next lap before it was red flagged I could see it started from the bottom of the hill

[CHOPPA]

Not sure on how many he did on Friday, he pulled off with gear change issues due to the selector cover coming loose which was where the oil came from, on Sunday it was probably close to 1/2 - 2/3 a lap , I originally thought it'd gone about the start finish line as that was when the bike went up in smoke but then he continued to corner 4 before pulling off, when we did the next lap before it was red flagged I could see it started from the bottom of the hill

The fact that the fucken idiot used a piece of plastic to fill a hole in the crankcase, that his bike left oil around manfield and hds and that he didnt have the consideration to tell anyone he had actually dropped oil should be reason enough for him to have his licence suspended!

There was oil around the whole track except the corkscrew thing, thats a whole lap and he would have kept going if he could! I spoke to several people that saw the swinger looking at all the smoke.

Your not helping your cause by sticking up for this cock, most of the other sidecar racers have apologised for this bullshit and you seem to be making excuses for him?

[Kickaha]

The fact that the fucken idiot used a piece of plastic to fill a hole in the crankcase, that his bike left oil around manfield and hds and that he didnt have the consideration to tell anyone he had actually dropped oil should be reason enough for him to have his licence suspended!

There's a bit more to it than using a "piece of plastic to fill a hole" but I totally agree with the licence suspension especially as it wasn't a "first offence" does anyone know if MNZ have the power to do this or apply any penalty?


There was oil around the whole track except the corkscrew thing, thats a whole lap and he would have kept going if he could! I spoke to several people that saw the swinger looking at all the smoke.

I only noticed it from where we turn to go up the hill then from about the start/finish when it dumped big time and there was shitloads to turn 4, if the swinger did notice it and didn't get him to pull off then he wasn't doing his job either


Your not helping your cause by sticking up for this cock, most of the other sidecar racers have apologised for this bullshit and you seem to be making excuses for him?

I'm not making excuses or sticking up for anyone and you'll find that the rest of the Sidecar crews are just as pissy about it as you are, I have already sent you a pm and told you what i think you and any others interested should be doing, so just what have you done? have you got on to MNZ yet? have you been on to the NZSRA asking what they be doing to make sure there is no repeat of this? has anyone? or will eceryone just bitch and whine on here?

[CHOPPA]

There's a bit more to it than using a "piece of plastic to fill a hole" but I totally agree with the licence suspension especially as it wasn't a "first offence" does anyone know if MNZ have the power to do this or apply any penalty?



I only noticed it from where we turn to go up the hill then from about the start/finish when it dumped big time and there was shitloads to turn 4, if the swinger did notice it and didn't get him to pull off then he wasn't doing his job either



I'm not making excuses or sticking up for anyone and you'll find that the rest of the Sidecar crews are just as pissy about it as you are, I have already sent you a pm and told you what i think you and any others interested should be doing, so just what have you done? have you got on to MNZ yet? have you been on to the NZSRA asking what they be doing to make sure there is no repeat of this? has anyone? or will eceryone just bitch and whine on here?

Oh yeah ya did lol cheers for that, yeah i have taken other action ;)

[nick2slow]

I'm not going to argue with that old man

but im all ready crap

[Billy]

So to get back on track with the thread,The idea that sidecars are the only machines that dump oil is a misconception that has been with us for sometime and other competitors have been quick too point the finger in the past,At a meeting I officiated at back in the mid 90s on the long circuit at Manfeild,A sidecar expired on the short straight before the Hairpin on the extension,After the following F3 practice we had a stream of competitors complaining that the sidecar had left oil all over the place,Turned out an F3 bike had dropped its sump plug during the first lap of their session and lost a whole sump full of oil!!!No sooner had we finished cleaning up that mess the Rodney Oconnor crashed at the hairpin and dumped another sump full of oil which took about an hour to clean up.Its also a standing joke that after a post classic practice or race you could build a bike from all the parts left on the track.The fact is all classes are as much responsible as one another for the hold ups we encounter at race meetings and its NOT the machines fault when its not prepared properly,I have occasion to have bikes in too fit bodywork to and some of the things Ive noticed wrong with them are just fucking pathetic,Wheels in backwards,Front brakes where they have fitted an aftermarket brake lever that allows no freeplay and jams the brake on,Sockets that fall off the bike that dont belong too me and have clearly been floating around in the engine area for sometime,2strokes where the crankcase breather is ventilating in the open air and on it goes.Its time some of the competitors took responsibility for their machines and prepared them properly.I had occasion to call into Sidecar Bobs workshop and had a good look over his Classic sidecar.The thing was like a show machine,Everything was properly wired and restrained and in my opinion was better prepared than some of the bikes on our superbike grid,I also noticed it had a tag on it that was dated,When I asked him about it,Was told the sidecar association did a certification on a number of machines each year,Brilliant,,If the competitors in our sport arent going to take on themselves to undertake proper machine preparation,Then this should be made compulsory for every machine and when are we going too see the reintroduction of compulsory scrutineering at ALL meetings.A badly prepared machine is a loaded gun waiting too go off in YOUR face or worse somebody elses.

[scrivy]

I had occasion to call into Sidecar Bobs workshop and had a good look over his Classic sidecar.The thing was like a show machine,Everything was properly wired and restrained and in my opinion was better prepared than some of the bikes on our superbike grid,I also noticed it had a tag on it that was dated,When I asked him about it,Was told the sidecar association did a certification on a number of machines each year,Brilliant,,If the competitors in our sport arent going to take on themselves to undertake proper machine preparation,Then this should be made compulsory for every machine and when are we going too see the reintroduction of compulsory scrutineering at ALL meetings.A badly prepared machine is a loaded gun waiting too go off in YOUR face or worse somebody elses.

That's why I posted that if Bob works on my ride, then I trust it that I can go 100% all weekend long!!
Oh, and there's nothing worse than a loaded weapon going off in your face............
(Funny that you mention that whilst visiting sidecar bob........ :shifty::shutup::blink:)

[Pixie]

When you're on a Solo and you get into a slide you're the only one involved,
Unless your race is one following a sidecar race

[Billy]

That's why I posted that if Bob works on my ride, then I trust it that I can go 100% all weekend long!!
Oh, and there's nothing worse than a loaded weapon going off in your face............
(Funny that you mention that whilst visiting sidecar bob........ :shifty::shutup::blink:)

Yes,I was very careful to keep my mouth firmly when not talking.

[scrivy]

Yes,I was very careful to keep my mouth firmly when not talking.

your mouth firmly on what exactly???? :shit::shutup:

I know he can be persuasive, but no does mean NO!!

[Billy]

your mouth firmly on what exactly???? :shit::shutup:

I know he can be persuasive, but no does mean NO!!

Err,Yea that was meant to say firmly shut,My bad,Anyway how do you say no with your mouth full

[sidecar bob]

I had occasion to call into Sidecar Bobs workshop and had a good look over his Classic sidecar.The thing was like a show machine,Everything was properly wired and restrained and in my opinion was better prepared than some of the bikes on our superbike grid,I also noticed it had a tag on it that was dated,When I asked him about it,Was told the sidecar association did a certification on a number of machines each year,Brilliant,,If the competitors in our sport arent going to take on themselves to undertake proper machine preparation

The only reason for that is that im a lazy tight fucker, too lazy to work on the machine at the track & too tight to tow it the length of the country to break it in first practice.
I spent over 300 hours on it after i bought it "race ready" before i used it.

Its the small things, Using EFI hose & clamps even though i dont need to & they cost three times as much, New bolts & nylock nuts everywhere, Loctite, wire & nylocs on everything, metal valve caps, proper breather & bottle, etc etc etc.
The paint isint flash yet, but that dosent seem to be slowing us down so far.

[scrivy]

The paint isint flash yet, but that dosent seem to be slowing us down so far.

Quick, give it a new paint job - I hear Johnny B might be going methanol........ :shifty::shutup:

[Kickaha]

So to get back on track with the thread,The idea that sidecars are the only machines that dump oil is a misconception that has been with us for sometime and other competitors have been quick too point the finger in the past

Yeah, you've only got to look here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121341-Methven-Buckets-ruin-another-race-meeting-by-dumping-oil-on-the-track!?p=1129706305#post1129706305) to see it isn't true

Another meeting held up and the sidecars weren't there so we can't be blamed:shifty:

[Drew]

The thread can't be put back on track, it's a shit slinging match now and I just scooped up a hand full!

[Foxzee]

The superbikes crashed and caused hold ups yeah.... But after the track was cleared we could still ride as usual, after the sidecar went around and around even after huge delays the track was fucked, i packed up along with most other people on friday after the oil spill. I crashed on sat in the oil spill.

Thing is with a 2 wheeled bike if your dropping that much bloody oil chances are you will find out pretty quick! That cock in the sidecar did 4 laps in total with oil pissing out, he did the same thing at manfield.

Same thing at Manfield???? ............... err when?

[sidecar bob]

Same thing at Manfield???? ............... err when?

Same bloke did it at the Manfield national round a couple of years ago & kept racing.
Chop may be refering to something more recent though.

[rat]

Quick, give it a new paint job - I hear Johnny B might be going methanol........ :shifty::shutup:

Methanol??? I thought he was just talking about what to drink when we have beaten you ...AGAIN LOL

[White trash]

but im all ready crap in bed

don't be too hard on yourself li'l fella, I'll still spoon ya.

[scrivy]

Methanol??? I thought he was just talking about what to drink when we have beaten you ...AGAIN LOL

We're not worthy............

[Maido]

off MNZ website:

"Attention all Road Race Competitors and Engine Builders:

A major oilspill which occured during a sidecar race at Hampton Downs which resulted in serious delays was caused by the replacement of a not required sensor unit with a non standard plug that was unsuitable for the purpose.
The plug used was a light steel pressing encapsulated in a rubber type compound which deformed under the heat and crankase pressure and which failed suddenly allowing most of the crankase oil to be released suddenly.
This happened at full speed down the start finish straight,because of the forces involved the machines catch tray was unable to contain the spillages.

The purpose of this bulletin is to advise all competitors, engine builders, and constructors preparing race engines that any replacement engine crankcase plugs, blanking plugs or sensors be constructed of a suitable material such as alluminium or steel and that the method of retaining the item be as the original factory installation.


Jim Doherty MNZ Technical Officer."

http://mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=32581

[Biggles08]

off MNZ website:

"Attention all Road Race Competitors and Engine Builders:

A major oilspill which occured during a sidecar race at Hampton Downs which resulted in serious delays was caused by the replacement of a not required sensor unit with a non standard plug that was unsuitable for the purpose.
The plug used was a light steel pressing encapsulated in a rubber type compound which deformed under the heat and crankase pressure and which failed suddenly allowing most of the crankase oil to be released suddenly.
This happened at full speed down the start finish straight,because of the forces involved the machines catch tray was unable to contain the spillages.

The purpose of this bulletin is to advise all competitors, engine builders, and constructors preparing race engines that any replacement engine crankcase plugs, blanking plugs or sensors be constructed of a suitable material such as alluminium or steel and that the method of retaining the item be as the original factory installation.


Jim Doherty MNZ Technical Officer."

http://mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=32581

Ha! That's pretty funny! You think we need a bulletin from MNZ to know this!?! Do you think this information is not "common sense" for most engine builders. If this was the case for the massive delay (which it apears according to MNZ it was) surely the sidecar in question should be heavily fined and some sort of license suspension be enforced for the drivers as it was in an unfit state to take to the track?

[CHOPPA]

off MNZ website:

"Attention all Road Race Competitors and Engine Builders:

A major oilspill which occured during a sidecar race at Hampton Downs which resulted in serious delays was caused by the replacement of a not required sensor unit with a non standard plug that was unsuitable for the purpose.
The plug used was a light steel pressing encapsulated in a rubber type compound which deformed under the heat and crankase pressure and which failed suddenly allowing most of the crankase oil to be released suddenly.
This happened at full speed down the start finish straight,because of the forces involved the machines catch tray was unable to contain the spillages.

The purpose of this bulletin is to advise all competitors, engine builders, and constructors preparing race engines that any replacement engine crankcase plugs, blanking plugs or sensors be constructed of a suitable material such as alluminium or steel and that the method of retaining the item be as the original factory installation.


Jim Doherty MNZ Technical Officer."

http://mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=32581

What!! That is madness! I will have to go replace the bluetac i have holding in my sump plug

[Kickaha]

as it was in an unfit state to take to the track?

The plug was retained by two bolts and washers, I reckon something else let go in the engine which pressurised the sump and blew it out past them

I reckon we should running oil absorbent foam in the catch trays as they do overseas then it wouldn't spill if something let go

[flipper69]

If you are attending the 2010 Tri Series I would like you to come up and say Hi!.

Stacey Sellar

#1 Who scrutineers these things? Whilst some are very good, clean competition machines, others(most?) would be laughed out of the pits in any other country. Filthy, poorly built and maintained bikes should not be on the track especially at a national championship event.

#2 Who cares about sidechairs? Watch the stand empty when they are up next, seriously. It is a perfect time to get a hotdog or take a piss which is exactly what 75% of the people seem to do. With so many exciting classes that would actually interest people, raced by modern bikes wtf are they even doing there?

#3 Where is it going? Is there any potential for any of these outfits or riders to move onwards overseas to international success? When you have a near 100k chair racing a heap of shit ancient gsx1100 powered piece of crap that belches smoke and steam from every orrifice what are you really achieving?

Anyway, I'm oviously pissed at another meeting ruined by bikes that only 1% of people at best even cared were there.

P.S whoever decided that there didn't need to be power in the prize giving marquee forcing the winners names to be read in the dark by torchlight - you are the man!![/QUOTE]

[cowpoos]

If you are attending the 2010 Tri Series I would like you to come up and say Hi!.

Stacey Sellar



Errr??? Sorry Stacey...but coming up and saying Hi too you will do what??? Are you thinking your that famous...that maybe talking to you will make the sidecar scene, seen in a better light?

I am a cunt...but I'm not trying to be...if you get what I mean.

[Kickaha]

If you are attending the 2010 Tri Series I would like you to come up and say Hi!.

Stacey Sellar

Don't waste your breath on him Stacey he's just another interent nobody who wouldn't have the balls to make such comments in person


I am a cunt...but I'm not trying to be...if you get what I mean.

Fuck off cunt, you must have a pieshop you should be staking out :bleh:

[Kickaha]

So why isn't Motogp1 fucktard or anyone else going on about the oil spill at Hampton downs at the last National meeting that wasn't done by a sidecar? :motu:

[Drew]

So why isn't Motogp1 fucktard or anyone else going on about the oil spill at Hampton downs at the last National meeting that wasn't done by a sidecar? :motu:

It was a sidecar racer tipping it straight out of a bottle, just to keep it interesting I reckon.

[scrivy]

It was a sidecar racer tipping it straight out of a bottle, just to keep it interesting I reckon.

Usually anything to do with sidecar racers and bottles, they don't share!!

[Biggles08]

So why isn't Motogp1 fucktard or anyone else going on about the oil spill at Hampton downs at the last National meeting that wasn't done by a sidecar? :motu:
Because they had a truck out there washing the track and making it nice and wet again for me :innocent: thanks to whomever it was that spilled the oil :yes:

[Kickaha]

Usually anything to do with sidecar racers and bottles, they don't share!!

That's not true, I bought a whole lot of bottles to share at Ruapuna

Maybe the guy who dropped the oil had walked past a sidecar once

[jellywrestler]

That's not true, I bought a whole lot of bottles to share at Ruapuna

Not with me though!

[Kickaha]

Not with me though!

I was only required to buy it not notify everyone about it :bleh:

[Drew]

Not with me though!

You drank a few of our ales fella, don't be hammin it up hard done by.

[Pussy]

You drank a few of our ales fella, don't be hammin it up hard done by.

Yeah.... Spyda buggered off with a doz Mac's Gold of mine at the 2009 TRRS.
He's just having a little sook