Leather vs Cordura/Textile - Beginner Gear

[Scorp]

Apologies to the experienced riders out there, but I'm yet another noob looking for advice on what gear to buy first time out. I'm not going to be doing any daily commuting, just local round town run outs once or twice a week, with the odd weekend country ride. And I wondered what everyone's advice was on the leather vs cordura options.

The bike shop guys I've spoken to went straight to talking about cordura. But most riders seem to say leather is better from a safety and durability perspective.

I guess I’ll want to keep cool during warm summer weather when I’ll be out most often, relatively warm during the winter (though I’ll only be out if I have to be and only for around 10 mins locally), and safe all the time.

While I’m not going to fork over a fortune, I’m not going to scrimp either. Quite happy paying extra for safety and quality. So, any recommendations on which direction to go: leather, cordura, textile or some kind of combo?

Thanks in advance for any help KBers can offer.

;)

[steve_t]

Check out www.qmoto.co.nz
Quasi is a KB'er and has great spec gear for very reasonable prices. I think he is having a special on jackets at the moment. I have one of his jackets (and some SPS gloves) and it's great. The removable liner is handy re summer vs winter. Send him a PM for more info

[CookMySock]

Modern Cordura is fine from safety perspective for touring. Tight-fitting leather is better for much higher speeds (140k+) where cordura will flap about violently and can be really dangerous.

Any of the textiles are much warmer than leather. If you want to ride more than an hour at a time, or you want to ride all winter, or you want to tour in the rain, then you need Cordura.

Steve

[kiwifruit]

Quality leathers is what i recommend. You can add layers if its cold or wet.

[Stirts]

+1 on what Mr KF said!!

And certainly if you are doing a mixture of commuting and weekend open road rides!!! Leather is sexier anyway!

[pritch]

Should you be insufficiently confused by the previous answers...

Buy Cordura first, then later when the bikes get bigger get leather. Neither does everything, but the textile will probably be more appropriate more of the time.

There is the option of getting leather and a one piece nylon over suit, which would take care of some rain if not cold.

Rain gear sold by the Warehouse or for farmers or construction workers' flaps around too much, but some sanguine souls seem to be able to stand all the embuggerance.

[R-Soul]

Ok I have tried both.

Rain/wind/cold protection wise:

Cordura is more waterproof, and a good jacket can be pretty much completely waterproof.
Cordura jackets can have unzippable inner liners which is great for summer and winter temp difference.
Ditto Cordura pants.
Having said that, the jackets got pretty hot in summer anyway. I suppose cause they are so windproof.

Leather is not waterproof, but can be made more waterproof by dubbin or other such means. Most leathers are quite heavy, but I found them not as hot as textile jackets as they are normally not completely windproof. Most leathers have (non windproof/rainproof) textile ineserts for temperature control. You can get lightweight water proof tops/leggings that you can put under your seat/backpack in case of rain. And you can wear a fleece or somesuch underneath for cold. At speed, neither is too hot in summer.

Abrasion resistance:
Clear winner here is leathers. Especially well made ones with double layers in high risk areas. And especially one pice ones or two piece ones that zip together. Ones that dont zip can ride up leaving an exposed back/abdomen. Dont do it. Diitto textiles - zip them up.

Textiles work alright at low commuting speeds, and leathers still work at higher speeds. Lets face it, no Moto GP riders wear textile for good reason.

If you are only planning on going out on pretty good days during summer, go leathers, and do it properly. If you are doing a lot of commuting in all weather summer an winter, textiles are good and convenient to dress etc. Not so much at higher speed.

If you plan on going for track days or advanced riding courses with AMCC, you need decent zip together leathers. Their rules.

NOTE: neither provides impact resitance- the hard armour does that. And if you hit anything solid hard enough, it wont do much for you anyway.

[Scorp]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Lots of info, but still not too sure which way to go.

I anticipate being a very fair-weather rider. The only necessity for me to ride will be the odd local trip within 10 minutes of home. Other than that it's purely for enjoyment. So I'll only really be going out when it's dry and warmish. The only way you'll catch me in rain is if I have to get to my kid's school while my wife is out in the car, or if I get caught in it. So I've decided to leave waterproofing for the future.

There's no way I'll be going 140k, not now on a learners, and not ever I reckon. So that's not really a consideration just now.

I had my eye on the Teknic Chicane jacket, either the leather (http://www.teknicgear.com/chicane-jacket/) or the textile one (http://www.teknicgear.com/chicane-textile-jacket/), because both seem to have good armour and other features, plus colour options for higher visibility. The zip out liner on the textile one looks like it will be more flexible for temperature, covering both cooler and warmer days, but having no experience I'm a bit in the dark on that.

I also really like the sound of the 1Tonne Black Hawk (http://www.1tonne.co.nz/index.php?page=listingDetails&prodid=41&sco=&categoryid=3) too, though it's not exactly high in visibility (a big deal for the missus, who would prefer me in dayglo yellow if poss).

Anyway. That's still pretty much where I am at the moment. Thanks again for the feedback. KB is great for stuff like this. Much appreciated.

[p.dath]

Some things to consider; Cordura can be worn over your clothes. Leathers generally not. So if you plan on going to work, you'll want Cordura. If your going for weekend rides, go for leather.

I have both. I used my Cordura when I need to wear "clothes" at my destination, otherwise I only wear my leathers. I'm quite a fan of 1Tonne.
http://www.1tonne.co.nz/

Some pros for leather:

Repairable. Cordura is usually only good for one slide and then it is a throw away.
Leather fits much tighter. If you get badly mangled in an accident the leathers can actually help keep you together until you receive medical attention. Cordura is loose fitting by comparison.

Cons:

Without treatment leathers are often only waterproof for 30 mins or so (maybe 60 mins, but the point being you will get wet in a long rainy trip without extra gear).
Can't wear any normal clothes underneath for going out once you arrive at your destination.



ps. Don't forget gloves and boots. They are just as important.

[sleemanj]

Personally, I'd go textile, it gives you more flexibility. The riding it sounds like you intend is fine with textiles.

Leather is superior abrasion resistant, there is NO question of that, but, really, that's the sum total of its "edge" on cordura, and cordura will more than likely stand up to any abrasion you will give it, given your anticipated riding.

But, end of the day, try some on, see which you like best!

[firefighter]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Lots of info, but still not too sure which way to go.

I anticipate being a very fair-weather rider

I think Quasi has some leather jackets on sale for $250 (RAPID JACKETS), I have one, and it's fucken mint mate. Do'nt fark around get in while he still has some. He uses his gear on the track and sponsors a rider or two, if it's good enough for them it's more than good enough for you. It's leather, and suits your only riding in summer/when sunny outlook.

Stop looking and do it!

Oh yeah, BTW, my mate has a 1tonne jacket, it's not quite as good as my quasi one IMO. (1tonne is all good by the way just plugging Quasi's gear as he has a crazy cheap deal on/that's if there is any left) The armour does'nt quite feel as good on the 1tonne, and I dunno if it's triple sticthed......

Qmoto.co.nz


Ps. I can pretty much guarantee your anticipated riding is a shit load less than it will probably turn into, and you will be glad you brought leather over cordura. I fucked around for ages before getting my leather jacket, I wish i'd got one from the start really. I commute through all weather, I only have a bike, so i'm in it no-matter what, and i'm in my leathers. Something to think about....

[blackdog]

chicks dig leather better.....or is that i dig chicks in leather......:blink:

[Quasievil]

Cheers for the positive comments above.

The guys have answered the questions on leather vs Cordura well, so no point me going on about it, however in a quick answer, Leather is safer, count how many racers wear textiles.

Just as a advert check out the Qstreet black rock Jackets and pants, you can get both items for $670
There is NO B.S with the spec, price, its the best in the New Zealand market for this price range, its even triple stitched (our minimum) I designed it (no B.S international top suit designer rubbish) and I design it to crash not to a price point.

pm me if youre interested

cheers

[davebullet]

Plus - leathers help pull the "ladies" (edit - damn TBS beat me too it).

Seriously. Both DB and Kiwifruit have good advice. I started out with a cheap cordura jacket. Cheap is as cheap does. I only recently bought a leather jacket (one of Quasi's Vengence jackets). Well worth the money. Fits very well, no flapping at speed (100 kph officer - honest) and a feeling of security / protection that cordura cannot provide. Check out Quasi's gear. My gloves and jacket from him have both been excellent. Qmoto leather pants are next.

[hospitalfood]

go the leather, if you look after it well it will look better a few years down the road as well as being the best option in a bin

[Ender EnZed]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Lots of info, but still not too sure which way to go.

I anticipate being a very fair-weather rider. The only necessity for me to ride will be the odd local trip within 10 minutes of home. Other than that it's purely for enjoyment. So I'll only really be going out when it's dry and warmish. The only way you'll catch me in rain is if I have to get to my kid's school while my wife is out in the car, or if I get caught in it. So I've decided to leave waterproofing for the future.

There's no way I'll be going 140k, not now on a learners, and not ever I reckon. So that's not really a consideration just now.

I had my eye on the Teknic Chicane jacket, either the leather (http://www.teknicgear.com/chicane-jacket/) or the textile one (http://www.teknicgear.com/chicane-textile-jacket/), because both seem to have good armour and other features, plus colour options for higher visibility. The zip out liner on the textile one looks like it will be more flexible for temperature, covering both cooler and warmer days, but having no experience I'm a bit in the dark on that.

I also really like the sound of the 1Tonne Black Hawk (http://www.1tonne.co.nz/index.php?page=listingDetails&prodid=41&sco=&categoryid=3) too, though it's not exactly high in visibility (a big deal for the missus, who would prefer me in dayglo yellow if poss).

Anyway. That's still pretty much where I am at the moment. Thanks again for the feedback. KB is great for stuff like this. Much appreciated.

Realistically, the only compelling reason to go leather is that you'll look more awesome. It's a good reason but will depend on your budget as to whether it's good enough. MotoGP guys might not wear textiles but I've never heard of anyone losing skin to the road wearing them either.

FWIW I went for some good RJays Cordura gear when I started a few years ago and it still looks fine. It held up for a 110km/h crash and only needed one small patch. It's not that waterproof but by the sounds of it it's better than leather. Temperature is never an issue while moving at any time of year if you've made the right decision on what to wear under it. And it doesn't flap at any speed, or I haven't noticed it anyway.

If cost were no object I'd still buy leather to wear almost all of the time but I don't think I've missed out on anything by being in Cordura.

[steve_t]

Realistically, the only compelling reason to go leather is that you'll look more awesome. It's a good reason but will depend on your budget as to whether it's good enough. MotoGP guys might not wear textiles but I've never heard of anyone losing skin to the road wearing them either.


Give me a few minutes. I'll see if I can remember where I saw people with road rash having worn right through their cordura gear... of course there's cordura and then there's cordura (ie different grades of cordura) :niceone:

[Ender EnZed]

Give me a few minutes. I'll see if I can remember where I saw people with road rash having worn right through their cordura gear... of course there's cordura and then there's cordura (ie different grades of cordura) :niceone:

I'm sure it can happen but leather wears through eventually as well. I have no reason to think that there is a meaningful safety difference.

[Quasievil]

Give me a few minutes. I'll see if I can remember where I saw people with road rash having worn right through their cordura gear... of course there's cordura and then there's cordura (ie different grades of cordura) :niceone:

Asian Fake Nylon Textile, polyester Textile etc are represented well in the low cost budget Trademe arena usually advertised as Cordura but it aint, then there is the real Dupont Cordura used by reputable brands.

[p.dath]

Give me a few minutes. I'll see if I can remember where I saw people with road rash having worn right through their cordura gear... of course there's cordura and then there's cordura (ie different grades of cordura) :niceone:

Fizbin in the NASS thread had his Cordura jacket were completely through on an off, and then he started loosing flesh off his arse. He was wearing a back protector - luckily for him, as it worse through there as well.

[Scorp]

Asian Fake Nylon Textile, polyester Textile etc are represented well in the low cost budget Trademe arena usually advertised as Cordura but it aint, then there is the real Dupont Cordura used by reputable brands.
Even the good stuff seems not quite good enough according to this: http://www.gbfr.org/saveyourhide.pdf Most top brand cordura jackets seem to be made of 600 denier cordura, just short of the recommended strength in the above report.

[R-Soul]

Some things to consider; Cordura can be worn over your clothes. Leathers generally not. So if you plan on going to work, you'll want Cordura. If your going for weekend rides, go for leather.

I have both. I used my Cordura when I need to wear "clothes" at my destination, otherwise I only wear my leathers. I'm quite a fan of 1Tonne.
http://www.1tonne.co.nz/

Some pros for leather:

Repairable. Cordura is usually only good for one slide and then it is a throw away.
Leather fits much tighter. If you get badly mangled in an accident the leathers can actually help keep you together until you receive medical attention. Cordura is loose fitting by comparison.

Cons:

Without treatment leathers are often only waterproof for 30 mins or so (maybe 60 mins, but the point being you will get wet in a long rainy trip without extra gear).
Can't wear any normal clothes underneath for going out once you arrive at your destination.



ps. Don't forget gloves and boots. They are just as important.

I wear my two piece leathers over my formal work pants and collar shirt every morning- no problem. Of course I leave my work shoes in my office...

[p.dath]

I wear my two piece leathers over my formal work pants and collar shirt every morning- no problem. Of course I leave my work shoes in my office...

I've thought about it. I could wear a work shirt under my jacket, but I don't think it would be very comfy wearing work pants underneath. I guess I would have to give it a try.

[Winston001]

You'll find other threads on your question so I suggest browsing and searching this topic. There is a lot to read and it takes time but having done it myself, its worth while. After some time you start to get an idea of quality, suppliers, and what would suit you. For example, Quasi and 1Tonne both enjoy good reputations here. I've dealt with both of them and been very happy.

Personally I prefer leather. My 15yr jacket has never become sopping wet possibly because I snow-seal it every year, so being wet has never been a problem. In fairness damp leather is heavy and hard to dry. Cordura will dry out while you walk around.

Cordura is easier to wear and less stiff than leather. I have cordura gear and no complaints but if its a nice day, I put on the leather.

If I was starting again I'd buy leather. But additionally I'd look at armour either in the leather or as separate pieces. Having come off fairly seriously (don't think I'll be biking again) armour seems pretty important. Incidentally my leathers were hardly scratched in a bin which saw me helicoptered to hospital. Shame about the helmet...... :D

[Urano]

as i've said in other places, leather or cordura are just opinions.
the only things above opinions are the standard approval.
take a google to: cambridge standard hi performance, en13595, en13594.
a non approved leather suit is very likely to be less protective than an approved cordura gear, because maybe it has a fantastic leather piece but a microscopic sewing.
if you have two non-approved gear, cordura or leather, only stars know which the best is...

in any case avoid polyester gear: it will burn in a third of second on the tarmac.
a lot of unapproved gear last no more than half a second or maybe one. jeans denim is half a second average.
approved gear have to go from a MINIMUM of one second to 4-7 for the hi risk areas. level 3 of cambridge standards require at least 12 seconds.

those are the things that keep the armour (and your skin) away from destruction, and permit it to save you. so below an approved gear ALWAYS wear a SEPARATED back protector level 2 (now there are even better, like the sub4 by forcefield), a chest protector is a "better to have", knee shoulder and elbows protection can be integrated, but always a level 2.
buy a good quality pair of boots, and approved leather (only leather) gloves. GLOVES ARE MANDATORY: hands are always the first thing you put on the ground in front of you...
obviously a full face helmet, not less than 4 star sharp rated.

at the end of all those things, if you don't do track, i prefer cordura.
look here:http://www.jofama.se/motorcycle_wear/index.php?lang=2
http://www.bksleather.co.uk/ce.htm
http://www.pva-ppe.org.uk/standards.htm

why english bike police wear only halvarssons? :whistle:

[Biggles08]

Apologies to the experienced riders out there, but I'm yet another noob looking for advice on what gear to buy first time out. I'm not going to be doing any daily commuting, just local round town run outs once or twice a week, with the odd weekend country ride. And I wondered what everyone's advice was on the leather vs cordura options.

The bike shop guys I've spoken to went straight to talking about cordura. But most riders seem to say leather is better from a safety and durability perspective.

I guess I’ll want to keep cool during warm summer weather when I’ll be out most often, relatively warm during the winter (though I’ll only be out if I have to be and only for around 10 mins locally), and safe all the time.

While I’m not going to fork over a fortune, I’m not going to scrimp either. Quite happy paying extra for safety and quality. So, any recommendations on which direction to go: leather, cordura, textile or some kind of combo?

Thanks in advance for any help KBers can offer.

;)

Hi Scorp,

Lots of good information here mate and I'm sure you will come to your own decision about what is right for you....but since you asked all of us what we think I'll let ya know.

I'm one of the racers Quasi sponsors and he has made a custom 1-piece suit for me to crash in....I say that jokingly but one thing my dad told me when I first started riding was "Son, its not if you crash, its when you crash so be best protected as you possibly can be!" This was before I was racing.

You will come off your bike eventually...whether going to the shop for milk, or screaming around the coro loop at illegal speeds....eventually gravity will take over and you will find yourself rolling, skidding, sliding down the road possibly towards something solid. When your in this situation you do not want to be thinking "I wish I had spent more on my protective gear!"

I approached Qmoto for sponsorship because I knew what great gear it was...this is the only reason! I have had 3 crashes in my Qmoto suit, one of them a high-side (over the top of the bars) landing squarely on my left shoulder from height (see here (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#%21/photo.php?pid=3114708&id=93676549725)) and I'm thankful for wearing my Qmoto suit with the Knox armor cause I know broken collar bones are a normal result of such a crash! As for me, I had no injury's to speak of (bruising and a sore finger) and patched up my bike and was out in the next race.

If I was riding on the road again it would be a no brainier....for me it would be leather from Qmoto as I KNOW how good it is! Don't risk unknown brands with unknown safety...Qmoto gear is by far the BEST VALUE for protecting yourself WHEN you come off.

I know you probably think I have to say this because I'm sponsored by Qmoto...while this assumption is a fair one, remember, I chose Qmoto...not the other way around...I did have a choice at the time.

[p.dath]

This ACC web site on gear selection is quite good as well.
http://www.rideforever.co.nz/gear_up/choose.html

[Urano]

Don't risk unknown brands with unknown safety.

I don't know QMoto products, so my consideration is absolutely unrelated to your report of this brand, but only with the words above, taken from the context:

Guys, the brand alone means nothing.
Dainese, to talk about one of the biggest in the world, has NO suit certified as CE. it now has a single "laguna seca" model wich has been approved "by mistake". and i'm not jokin: the certifying society declared to "have forgotten" to consider that laguna seca suit has no ece compliant side protector, which are mandatory to obtain the approval, so the certificate released was an "error".
As well, dainese had the wave back protector that despite being approved, had so badly performed in a "rider" test some years ago that they were puzzling on how it was possible for them to certified it.
take information, around, think on it, ask many, don't stay at marketing gurus....

[R-Soul]

You'll find other threads on your question so I suggest browsing and searching this topic. There is a lot to read and it takes time but having done it myself, its worth while. After some time you start to get an idea of quality, suppliers, and what would suit you. For example, Quasi and 1Tonne both enjoy good reputations here. I've dealt with both of them and been very happy.

Personally I prefer leather. My 15yr jacket has never become sopping wet possibly because I snow-seal it every year, so being wet has never been a problem. In fairness damp leather is heavy and hard to dry. Cordura will dry out while you walk around.

Cordura is easier to wear and less stiff than leather. I have cordura gear and no complaints but if its a nice day, I put on the leather.

If I was starting again I'd buy leather. But additionally I'd look at armour either in the leather or as separate pieces. Having come off fairly seriously (don't think I'll be biking again) armour seems pretty important. Incidentally my leathers were hardly scratched in a bin which saw me helicoptered to hospital. Shame about the helmet...... :D

when did you come off Winston?

[Winston001]

when did you come off Winston?

September last year coming home from the Pissed Penguin Rally. I'm still not back at work because of concussion. I have no memory of the accident but the good news is I saved my gear by landing on my head. The leathers were almost untouched. :D

Sadly - and I mean deeply sadly, my gorgeous Ducati ST4 was written off by the insurance co. It was still rideable because one of the rescue team rode it up the road to clear the site. Damn I loved that bike.

I also broke my neck and am very fortunate to be walking around. Because of that I'd seriously suggest riders look at some form of neck support but I don't know how practical that is. Track riders seem to avoid spinal injuries so they must wear something protective.

[pritch]

It escaped my memory but there is also waterproof leather now, but it hardly comes under the "beginner" category.

Also, I have yet to actually set eyes on it but it should be starting to appear here soonish if only mostly on the high end branded gear like this:

http://www.rukka.com/lfashion/rukka/rukkawww.nsf/vwpages/5361338CF497402EC22575A500462E7E?OpenDocument

[bkker]

Well if anything this thread has opened my eyes to qmoto gear :D
if only I had money..

[Biggles08]

Track riders seem to avoid spinal injuries so they must wear something protective.
No neck protection...just a bloody good back protector seems to do the trick :-)

[Quasievil]

Well if anything this thread has opened my eyes to qmoto gear :D
if only I had money..

hi Dude, we have some mean as specials at the moment, Qrace Spec Rapid Jackets at $250 !!

[yungatart]

i have Cordura and leather.
I have been down the raod wearing a combination...the leather pants ground through the knees to the lining. the cordura jacket has a scuff mark.
Having said that I think that my bottom half hit the ground a lot harder.
I prefer leather for comfort and ease of wearing especially when it is hot, but Cordura is warmer in winter (plus I can get more stuff on underneath) and waterproof.
Your choice really.

[Winston001]

Scorp - the other thing to remember is that motorcycling is a passion which evolves with you. That means your tastes, ideas, and budget change over time. Today you might be just as well to buy cheapish gear knowing that in time you'll replace it. Buying the best stuff straight away may not work if you get the wrong sizes, put on weight, find its uncomfortable etc.

You can get good protective clothing (textile) to start with without breaking the bank.

[steve_t]

Scorp - the other thing to remember is that motorcycling is a passion which evolves with you. That means your tastes, ideas, and budget change over time. Today you might be just as well to buy cheapish gear knowing that in time you'll replace it. Buying the best stuff straight away may not work if you get the wrong sizes, put on weight, find its uncomfortable etc.

You can get good protective clothing (textile) to start with without breaking the bank.

Interesting you say that Winston. When I got my first jacket it was a Strada Giro Textile Jacket. A few months later I got my Qmoto Leather Jacket which is more comfortable and hopefully far more protective, and I just kept thinking "Why didn't I just buy good stuff from the get go that will last me ages? What a waste of money buying cheap stuff and upgrading (in a relatively short space of time)." Luckily I sold the Giro jacket quickly and didn't lose too much money on it :niceone:

[Mustek]

The guys at the shop I talked to say leathers will last more than one crash but cordura won't. Personally I have Revit synthetics.

[Metastable]

Sorry I haven't read the entire thread, so maybe a bit of a repeat here.

I have both. I prefer leather, 1 piece as well. All my 1 pieces have been perforated and I'm comfortable well into 30C+. If it is cold or rainy, I also have a waterproof windbreaker, that I throw over. It cuts down the wind and under the leathers I'll wear a dryfit type material. That was good enough for a recent trackday were temperatures were in the single digits for most of the day.

Another thing to consider is to use something like full armor with your choice of jacket:
http://www.roadcarvin.com/sites/default/files/images/dainese_armor_0723.preview.jpg

I have a friend that wears this and loves it.... dunno I have never tried it. I will always wear a hard back protector similar to the one you see in the picture.... regardless if I'm wearing my Cordura or my 1 piece. The Cordura is more comfy if you plan on doing some walking etc.. On the bike the leathers are more comfy.

[cindymay]

I prefer leather for a number reasons and the first one is use. I don't commute, my riding is for pleasure and I like good gear (don't we all?). If I did commute then there are so many advantages with cordura with the main ones being; waterproof and work clothes can be worn underneath. Some on here have claimed they can wear other clothes underneath leather but that means bulky and poorly fitting leathers. My idea of leathers are ones that fit firmly so everything stays in place and I look good. If your riding is pleasure only then you can't go past well fitting quality leather.
BTW I look great in my leathers - no pictures offered.



I prefer leather for comfort and ease of wearing especially when it is hot, but Cordura is warmer in winter (plus I can get more stuff on underneath) and waterproof.
Your choice really. Leather molds to the body and gets more comfortable with use.


The guys at the shop I talked to say leathers will last more than one crash but cordura won't. Personally I have Revit synthetics.
I don't plan to crash and gear only lasting one crash is not a big issue as that will be only one cost - others being replacing the bike, helmet, body parts.

[GOONR]

.... I look great in my leathers - no pictures offered.

Hey, that's not on, saying you look great but no pics. Pics are mandatory to back up such a claim in KB land.

[cindymay]

Hey, that's not on, saying you look great but no pics. Pics are mandatory to back up such a claim in KB land.
I put up a studio pic when I joined the site. That was a mistake as evidenced by a number of comments. Want to see me you have to ride with me.

[Neon]

My experience was I bought some good quality textile gear to start with, then got kitted out in Quasi's leather gear later. I use both because unfortunately you do have to compromise sometimes. I go full leathers as much as possible, but in the dead of winter commuting it's just not warm enough. And if people tell you to put a jumper or jersey on under your leathers, your leathers don't fit properly. I've crashed in both. Last time I remember thinking "I'm real glad I'm in a 2-piece and gloves with palm sliders" as I slid down the road. Moral of the story - textiles as a first though for learning, leathers second when you start feeling the need to fang it sometimes. IMO.

[Winston001]

Interesting you say that Winston........."Why didn't I just buy good stuff from the get go that will last me ages? What a waste of money buying cheap stuff and upgrading (in a relatively short space of time)."

Well said and its horses for courses. When I was young I couldn't afford good gear so wore a ski jacket and jeans. Today you can get a textile jacket, trousers and boots from Trademe for less than the cost of a good new leather jacket. Later on the gear is still saleable (if looked after) and upgrading becomes affordable.

But as you say, if you really enjoy motorcycling (as we do) then buying the good gear straight up is sensible. Scorp mentioned budget so I was trying to think in those terms.

[Scorp]

The decision over how to protect yourself seems almost harder than choosing a starter bike, probably because there's so much choice out there, and so much to consider: quality, cost, visibility, material, usage, flexibility, season... and so on.

Despite that, the advice given by everyone here... all of it, has been incredibly useful in helping me to make my mind up. And I hope it has helped/will help other noob KBers too.

Thanks for specific advice in particular to Winston (good luck with the healing!), R Sole, firefighter, Quasi, Biggles08, DB, Kiwifruit, stevet, p.dath and pritch. Even the conflicting advice on material and brands helped me come to a decision.

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I thought seriously about starting off with cheaper Cordura then moving on to more expensive leather, however, in the end, I figured this would both cost me more money in the long run, and given that I'm more likely to spill early rather than late, possibly cost me some skin/pain too.

So I have opted for some 1Tonne leather gear (Terminator jacket and a pair of leather sports pants). I would have loved to go for Quasi's gear but (sorry Quasi) on balance it seemed just a bit too much of an extravagance for someone who will never go racing. There's always compromises involved in these decisions, and in this intance I know I've gone for second best rather than what probably is the best out there. Still, 1Tonne seems to be very good gear. And as someone who's going to be happiest cruising and touring rather than racing, I hope it turns out to be a wise compromise. I'll let you know how the delivery and first trial goes, plus the long run too.

In the meantime, thanks again to everyone who responded with advice. I really never expected as much help from so many good people. Just goes to show what an awsome site KB is, and what a great bunch of people there are on here.

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[CookMySock]

And you will look the bizo in that too. Better get some polypropylene to go under it for winter tho. Brrr.

Steve

[Gone Burger]

Just be careful with the 1Tonne stuff. I have boots, Cordura pants and a cordura jacket from them - all of which state they are waterproof. Most definately NOT the case. Boots only take minutes to start leaking in through the joins of the sole, the pants soak through pretty quickly as does the jacket. Have even sprayed them with waterproofing stuff, didn't really help. But these were the cheapest items available at the time, only brought about 6 months ago. Just saying, not waterproof at all, as they are supposed to be.

Now got a leather jacket - seems to be much better.

[bluebird]

My leather jacket is waterproof, I treat it with a leather protector/conditioner, I wear draggin jeans that are oilskin, also waterproof. For winter riding get yourself some icebreaker thermals and layer what you wear, a silk scarf is good as it is warm without being uncomfortable and you will not sweat in it. Cycletreads has a good range at good prices. What about a helmet? do not buy a cheap one, 90% of head injuries are permanent.

[R-Soul]

If you want hi visibility- you can just slip a hi-vis vest over from the $2 shop, or a zip-up one from safety gear shops. Not an issue- dont let teh colours of the jacket be the decider...

And you will be surprised how quickly you will be going over 140 km - especially if you do a few track days, or advanced riding courses.

[R-Soul]

Now you have your kit - do yourself a favour and do the reading and a bit of theory, and the courses. They make the difference between enjoying the ride for the freedom, and enjoying the ride for the freedom and confidence. You learn so much faster if you actually know what you are trying to achieve.

PM me if you want a book or two for new riders.

First learn:
1) Countersteering
2) Emergency braking
3) Looking where you want to go ad through the corner
4) Low speed manouvering
5) The rest

[Scorp]

Now you have your kit - do yourself a favour and do the reading and a bit of theory
I'm about halfway through 'Proficient Motorcycling' by David Hough at the moment. Really enjoying it too, he's the kind of rider I'd aspire to become one day. Just itching to get on the road and put some of it into practice.


...and the courses.
Booked in for some further training next Saturday.


PM me if you want a book or two for new riders.
Thanks mate, will do.

[p.dath]

Just be careful with the 1Tonne stuff. I have boots, Cordura pants and a cordura jacket from them - all of which state they are waterproof. Most definately NOT the case. Boots only take minutes to start leaking in through the joins of the sole, the pants soak through pretty quickly as does the jacket. Have even sprayed them with waterproofing stuff, didn't really help. But these were the cheapest items available at the time, only brought about 6 months ago. Just saying, not waterproof at all, as they are supposed to be.

Now got a leather jacket - seems to be much better.

I have 1Tonne Cordura pants, and their two piece Blawk Hawk leather gear. I never treat them with anything (don't like to risk using chemicals on motorcycle gear), and haven't had problems with them leaking.

I'm a road rider, and ride all year around, every week.

Sounds like you got unlucky. :)

[Gone Burger]

I have 1Tonne Cordura pants, and their two piece Blawk Hawk leather gear. I never treat them with anything (don't like to risk using chemicals on motorcycle gear), and haven't had problems with them leaking.

I'm a road rider, and ride all year around, every week.

Sounds like you got unlucky. :)

It seems that I did. Mind you, my partner brought a different set of Corduras at the same time from them, even less waterproof than mine. Perhaps just an off batch at the time? Now need to spend some more money and invest in something that does hold the water out better.

Winter can be a bit miserable if you are soaked through and through. Don't mind riding in the wet, as long as my body can keep reasonable dry. Oh - and the feet. My boots are terrible. Soggy socks makes for a less pleasent ride :)

[Scorp]

Quick update: The 1Tonne gear arrived today. Fast delivery, everything fits like a glove, including the gloves. Very impressed with the quality and generally delighted with my purchase. Thanks 1Tonne, and thanks again KBers for the advice!

Also got a Shoei Raid II helmet and a pair of Gaerne boots on the weekend from Bayride Tauranga. All kitted out and ready to ride.

[quickbuck]

Quick update: The 1Tonne gear arrived today. Fast delivery, everything fits like a glove, including the gloves. Very impressed with the quality and generally delighted with my purchase. Thanks 1Tonne, and thanks again KBers for the advice!

Also got a Shoei Raid II helmet and a pair of Gaerne boots on the weekend from Bayride Tauranga. All kitted out and ready to ride.
That's the ticket mate.
What Model of Gearne's did you get?

I got some waterproof ones a few years ago, and I must say they are.... Except when you put holes in them while doing a Mopedathon! Yup, my fault.
Also, after a few years (and it has to be at least 3 now), and lots of walking around in them, i have worn through the soles... Not bagging the boots though, as the sole deeds to be a little soft to allow you to feel the pegs...

[p.dath]

Quick update: The 1Tonne gear arrived today. Fast delivery, everything fits like a glove, including the gloves. Very impressed with the quality and generally delighted with my purchase. Thanks 1Tonne, and thanks again KBers for the advice!

And you'll probably find you'll still have your gear in 10 or 20 years. Leather kit lasts very well.

[Quasievil]

And you'll probably find you'll still have your gear in 10 or 20 years. Leather kit lasts very well.

Not really it depends on the quality of the kit, but as long as people buy on price and expect lifelong endurance and high performance they will be constantly disappointed, as pointed out a few posts above for example.
And that goes to any brand btw
I dont think enough people consider spec at all at the moment frankly, buy cheap get cheap

[Scorp]

That's the ticket mate.
What Model of Gearne's did you get?
Got G-Duke waterproof ones.

[quickbuck]

Got G-Duke waterproof ones.

Sweet... Yes, those are the ones that replaced the model I wear.... I think. ... Mine are Aquatech's... Could still be a current model.
Mine have the toe sliders on them.

Great boot you will find.

[Mike Wilson]

Hi, my name is Mike Wilson and I own Jet Leathers in Hastings. Both Cordura and Leather have their place in the market but as I always say if there was a better product than Leather the Moto GP and Superbike guys would wear it. Leather hands down gives you better protection from sliding and the possibility of a burn from road rash or hot bike exhausts etc. Give me a call on 068787949 or jetleathers.com. We specialise in making gear to fit you!!! and have been in the industry since 1974..........Good luck, Mike