Why are cagers so 'anti bike'?

[SMOKEU]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

[firefighter]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike".

I ca'nt say i've ever had anyone say that to me. What age group are you referring to?

15 year olds seem to think their mazda 323's can be turned into the fastest thing with wheels......If it is a teen then i'd just laugh at their ignorance. If it's not, laugh harder.

[paturoa]

Perhaps they know you ride a Honda.

[mattian]

I think we've all met the odd "anti-bike" car driver on the road from time to time. Thankfully I would say 95% of the people I meet on the road are tolerant enough. I guess it depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty. If you let that 5% percent or more upset you then dont ride.

I dont give a fuck what any car drivers think about bikes. If they dont ride a bike then their opinion about them means nothing to me.

[Morcs]

But i have to admit I hate bike riders that think no car can keep up with them...

my prelude aint nothing special but guaranteed 120-180kph it would kill any <100hp bike, its just real slack off the lights, but thats all power to weight ratio.

[Kickaha]

Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

A $30,000 WRX would piss all over a $3000 NSR250 in anything but initial acceleration unless it's being driven by a total retard

[SMOKEU]

A $30,000 WRX would piss all over a $3000 NSR250 in anything but initial acceleration unless it's being driven by a total retard

My mate had a JDM version 5 WRX which was a lot quicker than the later model WRXs and that thing was even with an RGV250

[R6_kid]

Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

Faster in what way? I'm pretty sure a $30,000 WRX would smoke a $3000 NSR250.

[CookMySock]

It's not them. It's you. I never have any problems with cagers.

Steve

[Kickaha]

My mate had a JDM version 5 WRX which was a lot quicker than the later model WRXs and that thing was even with an RGV250

He must drive like a pussy

[JimO]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

your just paranoid because of the dak

[Bikernereid]

I think we've all met the odd "anti-bike" car driver on the road from time to time. Thankfully I would say 95% of the people I meet on the road are tolerant enough. I guess it depends on whether your glass is half full or half empty. If you let that 5% percent or more upset you then dont ride.

I dont give a fuck what any car drivers think about bikes. If they dont ride a bike then their opinion about them means nothing to me.

I agree that not all car drivers are anti-bike but I think that maybe some give that impression because they just don't take bikes into consideration. I sometimes think thier lack of knowledge about bikes and their inexperience of them leads to them some time cutting us off etc.

At the end of the day we all have to use the roads together so we have all have to live with the foibles or other road users.

[kiwifruit]

my prelude aint nothing special but guaranteed 120-180kph it would kill any <100hp bike,

Sounds pretty special!

[slofox]

...120-180kph it would kill any <100hp bike, its just real slack off the lights, but thats all power to weight ratio.

Ermmmm..I could be tempted to maintain a healthy scepticism about that claim young man...

But apart from that, I have met very few cagers of the ilk mentioned by the OP. The usual stuff I get is "Oh They're SOOOOO dangerous!"

[Marmoot]

my prelude aint nothing special but guaranteed 120-180kph it would kill any <100hp bike

It depends, and I'd have to view your Prelude with a huge skepticism (sorry).
What is your hp figures, and are you still on FWD system? Also, what tyres you have?
On FWD with less than drag slicks, you'll either run into weight problem (slow, not enough power), or grip problem (too much power).
Either case would see modern CBR600RR (or even F4 model) blasts through easily.

With AWD and RWD, you can run them much higher power before you run into grip problem.
I happen to know a few supras, GTRs and WRX that can match or spit on the same 600 bike. Or even from 0.

As a comparison, decently launched 600+ sportbikes are easily within the 10-12 seconds on the 1/4 strip.
Stock standard twin turbo Supras (280 - 320 hp) with good launch gets to upper 12 - mid 13 seconds.
Stock Prelude Vtir (4th gen) are in the 15-16 seconds. Stage 1 modified ones are in the upper 14s.

Stock CBR600RR with medium class rider easily do pukekohe track at around 1.10 - 1.20 range
Stage 1 Prelude vtir (4th gen) with same-class driver does Pukekohe at around 1.20 - 1.30 range

Those are my tested numbers so far.

Would be interesting to see more, but let's keep the professional racers off the topic.

[Morcs]

Ermmmm..I could be tempted to maintain a healthy scepticism about that claim young man...

But apart from that, I have met very few cagers of the ilk mentioned by the OP. The usual stuff I get is "Oh They're SOOOOO dangerous!"

Ive owned 5 bikes that have all been in the 85-110hp bracket. IL4s, twins, sports, naked etc..

Im extremely familiar with how fast the speedo needle moves on all of them, and i still say the cage is quicker once its moving at a decent pace. and my speedo is accurate too, and all of those bikes ran a speedo healer.
Only the 600rr and the TL1000s would come close.

[Morcs]

It depends, and I'd have to view your Prelude with a huge skepticism (sorry).
What is your hp figures, and are you still on FWD system? Also, what tyres you have?
On FWD with less than drag slicks, you'll either run into weight problem (slow, not enough power), or grip problem (too much power).
Either case would see modern CBR600RR (or even F4 model) blasts through easily.

With AWD and RWD, you can run them much higher power before you run into grip problem.
I happen to know a few supras, GTRs and WRX that can match or spit on the same 600 bike. Or even from 0.

As a comparison, decently launched 600+ sportbikes are easily within the 10-12 seconds on the 1/4 strip.
Stock standard twin turbo Supras (280 - 320 hp) with good launch gets to upper 12 - mid 13 seconds.
Stock Prelude Vtir (4th gen) are in the 15-16 seconds. Stage 1 modified ones are in the upper 14s.

Stock CBR600RR with medium class rider easily do pukekohe track at around 1.10 - 1.20 range
Stage 1 Prelude vtir (4th gen) with same-class driver does Pukekohe at around 1.20 - 1.30 range

Those are my tested numbers so far.

Would be interesting to see more, but let's keep the professional racers off the topic.

Its just a standard 200hp, H22a FWD, running tyres more expensive than i can replace.
My point is, its a $6,000 car, and i reckon it is quicker in that speed range (after 180 it runs out of puff, whearas sports 600s ive owned will pull through to about 260)

You kinda miss my point. the car would suck at the drags. Ive done a fair bit of drag racing, including high 10's on a 100hp bike, same can be said for the track.
Im talking about horse power mattering once a decent speed is reached, as then its about hp, stability, grip, and aerodynamics, whearas off the mark, a 200kg, 100hp machine will skin alive a 1500kg, 200hp vehicle.

My comments are aimed at the original poster, regarding a $30,000 WRX being wasted. by a 250...

Also people forget is a shite load more dangerous to be doing higher speeds in a car than a bike. A car at 160 feels like its going really fucking quick on the road, whearas on a bike its just cruising - so a lot of boy racers who might appear to be racing arent willing to push it as hard, and for as long.

I wasted a SS commodore on a XT660 yesterday, and he had a head start. LOL.

[motor_mayhem]

But i have to admit I hate bike riders that think no car can keep up with them...

my prelude aint nothing special but guaranteed 120-180kph it would kill any <100hp bike, its just real slack off the lights, but thats all power to weight ratio.

Your prelude must be f@cking special if it can't keep up with your RVF.

According to the internet

VFR400 -> 59HP and 182kg wet (164 dry)+ person (about 80kg) gives power to weight of 0.225

1997-2001 Prelude SiR S Spec -> 220HP and a dry weight of 1270kg +120kg (conservative estimate for liquids) + person (about 80kg) gives power to weight of 0.150

Thats assuming that your car is the latest shape bb5-9 and the top one of that type, being SiR S spec, I still don't see how it could keep up with a 60 hp bike.

[Elysium]

Perhaps they know you ride a Honda.

Hence why they're jealous.

[Morcs]

Your prelude must be f@cking special if it can't keep up with your RVF.

According to the internet

VFR400 -> 59HP and 182kg wet (164 dry)+ person (about 80kg) gives power to weight of 0.225

1997-2001 Prelude SiR S Spec -> 220HP and a dry weight of 1270kg +120kg (conservative estimate for liquids) + person (about 80kg) gives power to weight of 0.150

Thats assuming that your car is the latest shape bb5-9 and the top one of that type, being SiR S spec, I still don't see how it could keep up with a 60 hp bike.

Personally, neither can i see it.
Hence why im pleasantly suprised, and making the point. it is is the one you describe.

Im not talking about keeping up, or racing from a standing start, just in that speed range. My RVF topped out at around 220 as an estimate (only had a 190kph speedo), and was rather annoyed at only just scraping past a legacy station wagon from a 120kph roll-on race on the motorway that went for a few kms.

[Ender EnZed]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

Cages are easier to drive fast under any circumstance other than a straight line. You just sit there and swing the steering wheel and you're less aware of the fact you're about to crash. With operators of low-ish skill and moderate to high-ish confidence a 100hp cage is usually quicker on a twisty road than a 100hp bike.

[Mountlocal1]

It's not them. It's you. I never have any problems with cagers.

Steve

Holy Shite... I find myself agreeing with DB...

[SMOKEU]

I ca'nt say i've ever had anyone say that to me. What age group are you referring to?



Usually the younger people.



Even my CBR250 is a fair bit quicker than my mates old RB20DET R32 Skyline, it's quicker than my mates VT Commodore (although not at speeds of 140+kmh). The only drags I've ever lost on that bike were to a HSV Clubsport and a Laurel which had a fair bit of work done to it. I even took out a R34 RB25DET Skyline at a traffic light drag a couple of weeks ago, and that guy was really going for it.
I did manage to beat an MC19 like my one in my (fairly modified) GTI-R at a traffic light grand prix.

[JimO]

Usually the younger people.






they will be the ones with their caps on sideways and pants down around their knees

[JimO]

holy double post batman

[wbks]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?'Cause they're fucking homos
I thought it was "my shitty ginny is more fun than some overheating piece of shit su-bahru", not the other way around. Then again, I never got what "car enthusiasts" thought was so great about burnouts all the time.


It's not them. It's you. I never have any problems with cagers.

SteveBecause it would be your fault not theirs if they fuck you over on the road and tear one of your legs off?

[release_the_bees]

I've never really had any issues with car drivers. General ignorance and lack of awareness? Yes, but that's about it and I do my best to plan for that.

I did have a beer bottle thrown at me once, whilst I was riding over the Mount Maunganui harbour bridge, but that was on a bicycle at 11pm on a Friday night, so I will discount that.

[george formby]

Ignorance! I have a Pitbull which is the softest dog I have ever owned but she is looked at like a demon by the ignorant. Same with bike's, if you have never ridden one & the family told you they are dangerous then your opinion would not be worth wiping my butt with. Enjoy your bike & leave the dumb's to their illusions.

[wbks]

Ignorance! I have a Pitbull which is the softest dog I have ever owned but she is looked at like a demon by the ignorant. Same with bike's, if you have never ridden one & the family told you they are dangerous then your opinion would not be worth wiping my butt with. Enjoy your bike & leave the dumb's to their illusions.
I hate to break it to you, but pitties weren't bred for years because of their stunning good looks, and if you off on a bike you're a lot more likely to get fucked up then if you were in a car

[Jonno.]

Bikes are more fun for less money.

[sosman]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

Thats why you need a GSXRthou brudda!..... so you can show those limp wristed show off valve fuckers...what a Harsh accellerating wheels stand looks like starting from 160pkh, & when they finish taking the next exit to get some ciggy's, then show show em yr rolling stoppies eow!....

[sosman]

oh Make sure no other bikie's are watching cause you yr prop get ranted on about by doo gooder on here :bye:

[EJK]

I rode bikes and now I drive. I think both are fun. Btw, if you feel something is bothering you, read my signature below and.... cheer up.

[Virago]

Why are cagers so 'anti bike'?

Why are bikers so anti cage?

[NighthawkNZ]

Why are bikers so anti cage?

bugger yah bet me too it... :blink:

[Leseid]

If I personally came across a cager who thought cages where more fun, I would just agree with them and leave it at that. They only have that attitude because they're trying to justify to them selves that they have more fun in a cage than people do on a bike.
I think most people who ride bikes also drive cars, so they actually can form a valid personal opinion therefore are more qualified to pass critical judgment. Personal insecurity, would sum it up best.

[SMOKEU]

Why are bikers so anti cage?

Because they crash into us and say "I didn't see you there mate". What have we ever done to cagers?

[Jonno.]

Because they crash into us and say "I didn't see you there mate". What have we ever done to cagers?

Lolwut....

[Sable]

Bikes are more fun for less money.

Exactly. Now shut the fuck up.

[Maki]

Ive owned 5 bikes that have all been in the 85-110hp bracket. IL4s, twins, sports, naked etc..

Im extremely familiar with how fast the speedo needle moves on all of them, and i still say the cage is quicker once its moving at a decent pace. and my speedo is accurate too, and all of those bikes ran a speedo healer.
Only the 600rr and the TL1000s would come close.

You are out of touch with reality. The cage may feel fast to you but it is slow compared to a bike. If I ever have stoplight GPs with a cage I will normally give them a little head start, just in order to blast by them in a more impressive way in the 100+ kmh speed range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man0X0bf8vk
"It became obvious that the bike is miles faster than the car in a straight line". This 150hp bike spanks a 500hp car in a straight line the same way a 75hp bike would spank your 200hp car.

[Urano]

Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts?

nope.
they find annoying that we are always at the first place at the lights, that we are not paying for the park we always find in the front of the office, that we have no problems with jams, and generally that when you leave a bike you have flies crashed on your teeth while when you leave a car you have probably an headache...



Why are bikers so anti cage?

because cars and bigger stuff are not selective: stupid on a bike usually don't survive long, stupid on a car can survive and spread damages on the way...
we are anti cage because survivors are better. :D :D :D :D

[Aprilia Girl]

I think the issue is a vast majority of cage dwellers don't see a bike in their radar as well as they see an articulated truck.... unless you've ridden a bike you may as well be blindfolded with a shoelace!! They just don't get it ;o)

[Pixie]

Yeah,but then you run into a line of traffic.............:tugger: :lol:

[wbks]

oh Make sure no other bikie's are watching cause you yr prop get ranted on about by doo gooder on here :bye:example? ..

[Morcs]

You are out of touch with reality. The cage may feel fast to you but it is slow compared to a bike. If I ever have stoplight GPs with a cage I will normally give them a little head start, just in order to blast by them in a more impressive way in the 100+ kmh speed range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man0X0bf8vk
"It became obvious that the bike is miles faster than the car in a straight line". This 150hp bike spanks a 500hp car in a straight line the same way a 75hp bike would spank your 200hp car.

I still beg to differ. All you people who ride bikes and only bikes are so narrow minded its not funny. Yes you are correct, but like all these other fucktards, missing my point completely. I could spank your r6 on a twisty road on a 55hp bike.

[JimO]

who else thinks the term "cagers" is totally stupid

[EJK]

who else thinks the term "cagers" is totally stupid

Yar! Me thinks it's a biased opinion, a mere prejudicism that defines drivers are either monkeys or chimpanzees.

[onearmedbandit]

I still beg to differ. All you people who ride bikes and only bikes are so narrow minded its not funny. Yes you are correct, but like all these other fucktards, missing my point completely. I could spank your r6 on a twisty road on a 55hp bike.

I didn't think you were talking about 'twisty roads' in your initial post, you were claiming your Prelude could bet any bike less than 100hp between certain speeds. One would assume you were talking straight line acceleration. Which I still call absolute bullshit. I've ridden plenty of sub 100hp bikes, and spent 12yrs selling almost every type of car (excluding supercars) and even a standard Skyline GTR (which will smoke your 'lude) would still get its arse handed to it in the speed range you described.

[Katman]

who else thinks the term "cagers" is totally stupid

'Stupid' doesn't even come close to it.

'Fucking retarded' would fit better.

[SMOKEU]

who else thinks the term "cagers" is totally stupid


It's easier than saying car/van/truck/golf cart.

[EJK]

Some call bikers "squid" so we are even Steven.

[JimO]

Some call bikers "squid" so we are even Steven.

i have never heard any motorist call a motorcyclist that, and as for bad driving/riding there are just as many bad/dangerous bike riders as motorists

[Tank]

I think there is more bias from bikers to car drivers than the other way around.

Also - look at the people you are talking to - anyone with a Skyline is going to be wearing their hat backwards and thinks that NOS will make their car go like the special effects in the "Fast and furious" movies.

Why cant we all just get along.

[oldrider]

Most of the cagers I've met keep saying "bikes are gay" or "my piece of shit Skyline is more fun than any bike". Is it just that they don't have the balls to ride a bike, or are they just ignorant of the facts? Maybe they don't want to admit that their $30,000 WRX can't keep up with a $3,000 NSR250?

I don't think they really give a toss!

[NighthawkNZ]

Will some one please think of the children... oh the poor children....


Oh wait... :blink:

[Tunahunter]

Its envy, pure envy - you can see it in their faces at the lights - they haven't got the 'get up and go' to get off their arses and invest in abike - sad fucks

[Tank]

Its envy, pure envy - you can see it in their faces at the lights - they haven't got the 'get up and go' to get off their arses and invest in abike - sad fucks

or - they might not like bikes.

[yachtie10]

I think there is more bias from bikers to car drivers than the other way around.

Also - look at the people you are talking to - anyone with a Skyline is going to be wearing their hat backwards and thinks that NOS will make their car go like the special effects in the "Fast and furious" movies.

Why cant we all just get along.

I have only owned skyline turbos for the last 12 years and still think they are the best value performance cars (second hand) out there


but Morcs my bike which is sub 100HP is way faster at any speed either can do

[sosman]

Most cages are like sheep!...Sheep follow sheep!...I like the Dumb look on there faces when they are queued up in traffic...Could get a bike but....Nooo! thats too dangerous, Fuggin poofters eh!

[McWild]

Why cant we all just get along.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc


Can you not insert videos anymore?

[Jonno.]

Go to the embeded icon on the youtube site and post that code.

[Metastable]

Well you guys are lucky. Up here you try to lane split and cars will move over on you. Yup.... they're jealous so they see you coming and they "close the door". There were 3 of us on bikes and the one guy's fan stopped working, so we had to split a HUGE traffic jam.... old guy in a pick-up (ute) pulling a trailer sees me coming and just moves right over.... we dipped from the middle to the shoulder and passed him that way. Jack@$$!

The strangest incident I had was in southern France. I mean in southern France they are VERY VERY motorcycle friendly. To the point that they move over for you to pass in places where you'd rather not do it, but they try so hard, you kinda go past them because they are being so polite about it. Anyway, I'm 2 up with the wife on a F650GS, going to pass a Kangoo or something like that.... on a proper pass and the dude just moves over. At first I was like WTF, maybe he just drifted over by accident .... then again and this time he really swung wide. A guy that saw this happen on a CB1000 streetfighter started going ape on the van. I just kept behind until the van turned off. That was very strange.

[Bodir]

The cars and trucks let you pass thing happens here quite frequently too. On nearly every ride I have a friendly motorists driving nearly down the bank and waving me through. All i can do is say thank you to those guys. I appreciate it :)

Of course there are the others, that do everything to make your life miserable. However, the good guys are far more than the black sheep. They just stay longer in your memory.

[Berries]

Possibly because they constantly get pissed off by riders filtering past them in traffic and overtaking them at stupid speeds on the open road. Their problem. The only trouble I have had lately was with a petrol tanker driver. Traffic stationary on off ramp due to roadworks, big queues, me sliding down the inside very slowly to turn left at the exit where everyone else turns right. Tanker driver obviously saw me coming so pulled hard over to block my passage. Arsehole.

[SMOKEU]

Possibly because they constantly get pissed off by riders filtering past them in traffic and overtaking them at stupid speeds on the open road. .

Like I've said many times before: It's their own stupid fault for being in a cage during rush hour traffic. It's like sticking your hand into a fire and expecting not to get burnt.

[tribsanor]

who else thinks the term "cagers" is totally stupid

Me ! Whats a convertable ? a set trap or a half cage.

[Ixion]

Yar! Me thinks it's a biased opinion, a mere prejudicism that defines drivers are either monkeys or chimpanzees.
Sounds about right


Why are bikers so anti cage?
Maybe it's related to the fact that they try to kill us so often. Four yesterday, fairly typical.


Possibly because they constantly get pissed off by riders filtering past them in traffic and overtaking them at stupid speeds on the open road. Their problem. The only trouble I have had lately was with a petrol tanker driver. Traffic stationary on off ramp due to roadworks, big queues, me sliding down the inside very slowly to turn left at the exit where everyone else turns right. Tanker driver obviously saw me coming so pulled hard over to block my passage. Arsehole.

Happens a couple of tomes a week. What do you think footpaths are provided for?

[Katman]

Maybe it's related to the fact that they try to kill us so often. Four yesterday, fairly typical.


Are you that bad a motorcyclist?

[wbks]

Are you that bad a motorcyclist?

I think ill put a glove in some 4X4'er's mirror tomorrow on my way to clevedon just for you

[Ixion]

They try. Doesn't mean they succeed. After so many years it's just part of life's rich tapestry.

[Berries]

Are you that bad a motorcyclist?

At least twice a week someone tries to take me out. Not on purpose mind, but lane changes without checking, failing to give way at an intersection. All the things you should expect on a bike and things you can't really blame the drivers for. Well you could if you were that way inclined, but what's the point ? You'd end up getting stressed and posting to a forum about it.

[Ixion]

Well, let's see now. The four that day :

Bus pulled out from a stop, fact that I was along side him in the space he was about to occupy didnt bother him. But I'd assumed he'd do something like that, I assume all bus drivers are homicidal cretins, and made sure I had room to my right. No problem.

Cager did the same thing on the motorway , swung right directly into the space I was in. No signal but the spidey knew he was going to do it before he did . Full gauntlet took me clear in plenty of time and into lane 1a. I think I managed to land a boot on his mudguard on the way through. Standard stuff.

Going round a roundabout, two lane road entering roundabout ahead. Cage in outer lane gives way was required, moron in inner lane blasts up the inside, no way he can stop in time when he sees me . Fortunately spidey had creepy sensed him way back up the hill and I was slowed right down waiting for him. He stopped with a screech of tyres and a horrified look right in the middle of the roundabout , so I rode round the front of him, shook my fist at him and reminded him of his lack of parentage, just on principle. No sweat.

Trundling through a green traffic light, road to the left has a free left turn, bus takes free turn at high speed. Which would have been fine, except that instead of turning left lane into left lane, he drifted right across into the right lane. Which is full of me. Illegal of course but see comments re bus drivers above. But spidey is real good at vector analysis and had creepy sensed him in plenty of time. Round the back of the bus, slip between a couple of cages, ho hum. Pulled up beside bus at next lights and bashed on his door a couple of times just to remind him that's he's a sub human, he stared straight ahead .

All in all just a normal day in Auckland traffic, just part of life's rich tapestry, but not likely to engender any feelings of brotherly love toward cagers.