Pistol shooting

[Tank]

Have been getting into shooting a little lately - and loving it.

Great way to spend time with mates and the boy.

Have been doing some pistol shooting and are thinking about getting into the 'practical shooting' stuff - looks like a blast (pun intended).

Anyone here involved in it as a sport?

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[Sentox]

Really want to get into it. Sadly, as a student, I couldn't sustain it financially along with the bike :(

Edit: WTF WTF WTF. I paused my media player when I started the video... and it has the exact same song that was playing when I paused. My brain just melted a little.

[Ronin]

WTF! Didn't even hold it on its side...

[Sentox]

WTF! Didn't even hold it on its side...

Yeah, and where's the second one? :laugh:

[SMOKEU]

I've played around with a few handguns back in Africa. It's great fun.

[ynot slow]

Would like to get into western shooting with lever action rifles(as a .44 not bad $$ wise compared to .22)except for the clothes lol.

[CookMySock]

Try powder pistols - they're a fucken lark!

Steve

[Pedrostt500]

I hope you guys are shooting up cage drivers, I hear every 10th cage driver you get a free cap.

[SMOKEU]

I hope you guys are shooting up cage drivers, I hear every 10th cage driver you get a free cap.

I shot my mates Commodore with a .22LR. The slugs went in one side of the car and out the other. That way I proved to my mate that Jap cars are not as flimsy as he once thought compared to Holdens. I managed to wipe the smirk off his face after the 5th shot.

[SS90]

What a complete load of shit.

What was that all about?

Does he think he is Dirty Harry, perhaps John Rambo?
The guy following with the recording data, I notice he has a pistol holstered to his hip. Why? Is he expecting Osama Bin Laden to come over the hill?

What a bunch of tossers.

[CookMySock]

What a complete load of shit. [...] What a bunch of tossers.Nah it's not. It's funny as fuck. Try it and you will see.

Steve

[Dave Lobster]

Nah it's not. It's funny as fuck. Try it and you will see.

Steve

More of a lark if you're shooting at someone that has the ability to shoot back.

[Indiana_Jones]

Talk to Mr. Merde

-Indy

[Pedrostt500]

I shot my mates Commodore with a .22LR. The slugs went in one side of the car and out the other. That way I proved to my mate that Jap cars are not as flimsy as he once thought compared to Holdens. I managed to wipe the smirk off his face after the 5th shot.

Used to do a simmilar thing with an AK back when they were legal for every one to own, used it for shooting frogs as well.

[hospitalfood]

if you are northland ish area I can hook you up with a pistol club, there is a club member on this site. I am an associate member ( rifle shooter ) at present and do a few pistol shoots with the boys.
great bunch of guys. lots of fun.

think the guy had the pistols on his hip because thats the rules for some types of pistol comps.

[SMOKEU]

Used to do a simmilar thing with an AK back when they were legal for every one to own, used it for shooting frogs as well.

I was surprised to find out how weak car bodies are.

[Tank]

What a complete load of shit.

What was that all about?

Does he think he is Dirty Harry, perhaps John Rambo?
The guy following with the recording data, I notice he has a pistol holstered to his hip. Why? Is he expecting Osama Bin Laden to come over the hill?

What a bunch of tossers.

Its just a game - nothing serious. Generally you will find that people with the Rambo complex dont get in or last.

As for the guy with the holster - rules are very strict and leaving pistol unattended gets you disqualified.

As I say - its just a game - you need to lighten up.

[oldguy]

I think Ive still got some .44 magnum rounds, got no pistol, so of no use to me.

anyway like this stuff.

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[Swoop]

What a complete load of shit.

What was that all about?

Does he think he is Dirty Harry, perhaps John Rambo?
The guy following with the recording data, I notice he has a pistol holstered to his hip. Why? Is he expecting Osama Bin Laden to come over the hill?

What a bunch of tossers.
Another informative post. Have you ever been to a pistol range?
The RO and the scorekeeper have holstered firearms because they are also part of the firing detail and part of the competition. Everyone takes their turn with various tasks on the range. The RO has a timer that will be accurate down to 100ths of a second and a match may be won or lost by such a margin.
IPSC competition is damed challenging, much like any top-level discipline of competition.

Don't knock it until you have tried it.

[SS90]

Its just a game - nothing serious. Generally you will find that people with the Rambo complex dont get in or last.

As for the guy with the holster - rules are very strict and leaving pistol unattended gets you disqualified.

As I say - its just a game - you need to lighten up.

The thing to note here is that I grew up around fire arms my whole life, My Father was range safety officer for the airforce, as well as a champion skeet shooter, as was my grandfather, my older brother is an armourer in the Army, and I was also on the school shooting team.

In fact, at my brothers wedding, he remarked " I like guns and motorcycles", to which all my family concured.

It's certainly not firearms I am against.

The problem is, the glorification of "pitched gun battles", implying it is some sort of gam
The geezer shooting in the video may well be a "crack shot" good for him. However, if something was shooting back, I can assure you is composure would be somewhat different.

I see direct corolations between such glorification of gun battles, and "gun toti'n crack dealers" in the USA.

Here, we have a young turd telling us all how he "was shooting holes in cars", pardon? How many times do you have to be dropped on your head before you start this kind of behaviour?

I have no problem with responsible gun owners, be they gun owners for sport (hunting), or sport shooting (targets etc)

BUT, when your sport glorifies gun battles (like "urban combat", as shown in the video), then it is an entirely different matter.

We already have school kids going on killing rampages with their dads guns, and this phenominon increases every year.

Mark my words, one day, very soon, we will have our own "columbine" disaster in NZ, the warning signs are already there, we have "P"'d out oxygen thief's killing innocent people on a monthly basis, and, as a result, the public are becoming "desensitised" to it all.

Video games, movies, and video's on youtube.

When you make "pitched gun battles" cool to the youth, it is much easier for them to be involved in the real thing.

Like I say, each to their own, but you all saw what the reaction was from some member of this site on viewing the footage...talking about shooting cars etc.....what a fucking joke.

Healthy competition shooting, that is realistic , such as "simulated field" is incredibly challenging and does in no way glorify "urban combat" situations.

It's not the sport I critisise, it is the glorification of what it is simulating. Yes, getting a licence for a pistol in NZ is a very involved process, as well it should be, but, like I say, the weak minded fools in our society then talk of "shooting cars" etc.... it is a slippery slope from there.......

If you have ever witnessed a real "gun fight" (I have), your perceptions will change on such things.......standing there, all composed, and shooting targets (that don't shoot back/cry for their mum) is one thing, but the actions you are simulating are far different in realty.

[SS90]

I think Ive still got some .44 magnum rounds, got no pistol, so of no use to me.

anyway like this stuff.

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This I don't object to.

This in no way simulates "urban combat", that is a sporting situation, where a competitor stands at his mark, stays at his mark, and fires on targets in front of him.

I see that as a "sporting" situation, that does in no way glorify combat.

[Pixie]

I was surprised to find out how weak car bodies are.

What?
You mean you can't take cover behind an open car door?

[Tank]

ten chars outside quote my shits in bold

The thing to note here is that I grew up around fire arms my whole life, My Father was range safety officer for the airforce, as well as a champion skeet shooter, as was my grandfather, my older brother is an armourer in the Army, and I was also on the school shooting team.

I didnt know that it was a pissing contest - but I was also raised as a shooter (farm boy) and my grandfather shot for Australia. You should also talk to your father because the 'practical' shooting we are starting is at the NZDF base (and a lot of other clubs) - and you will find that he quite possibly did a lot of this himself.

The problem is, the glorification of "pitched gun battles", implying it is some sort of gam
The geezer shooting in the video may well be a "crack shot" good for him. However, if something was shooting back, I can assure you is composure would be somewhat different.

there is no mention of it being a pitched gun battle or glorification - I dont think that the majority of people doing this as a sport have any interest in shooting people, much less being shot. It seems that the only person glorifying it as a battle or a 'bad assed nigger hunt on the streets of the bronks' is yourself

Here, we have a young turd telling us all how he "was shooting holes in cars", pardon? How many times do you have to be dropped on your head before you start this kind of behaviour?

welcome to KB - we have dipships who make stupid comments on pretty much everything.

I have no problem with responsible gun owners, be they gun owners for sport (hunting), or sport shooting (targets etc)

you seem to keep missing the point that this is simply sport shooting at targets. Its been a sport since the 50's and is very tightly controlled.

BUT, when your sport glorifies gun battles (like "urban combat", as shown in the video), then it is an entirely different matter.

ahh so you are one of those 'shooting movies are bad' nuts that make people go out and kill 100's - nothing about separating fantasy from reality or personal responsibility and all that

We already have school kids going on killing rampages with their dads guns, and this phenominon increases every year.

Video games, movies, and video's on youtube.

So is this more youtubes, movies fault or bad parenting or some other significantly fucked up social issue. I think that the movies are the least of the issue. I watch them and I know shooting someone is bad - mkay

Healthy competition shooting, that is realistic , such as "simulated field" is incredibly challenging and does in no way glorify "urban combat" situations.

this IS a shooting competion that is competed in all over the world (and has been since the 50's) - I cannot see how it glorifies urban combat - its a game FFS. I dont see them with pictures of baddies for you to shoot at or the like. Its a shooting obstacle course.

It's not the sport I critisise, it is the glorification of what it is simulating. Yes, getting a licence for a pistol in NZ is a very involved process, as well it should be, but, like I say, the weak minded fools in our society then talk of "shooting cars" etc.... it is a slippery slope from there.......

again - stay on KB you will see tons of stupid comments like that. Some on shooting, the rest on everything else.


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[Tank]

oh - fwiw - I started looking at this because I have been pistol shooting a little while and thought that this would be more fun and simply a change from standing in a range hitting a DOT from 25m.

Didnt even think of the urban combat - not has anyone I spoken to at the pistol club ever mentioned it.

[Ronin]

So SS90, what your saying is that it's the same as practising martial arts makes you want to round house every one in the head?

I can sort of see what your getting at, the set up and what they are doing seems a little strange to me but I don't in anyway see it as glorifying pitched urban gun battles. Can't say it is my cup of tea. Paintball is more my cup of tea, much more gratifying when your target screams. And for the record, playing paintball doesn't make me want to rush out and paint a house.

[SS90]

So SS90, what your saying is that it's the same as practising martial arts makes you want to round house every one in the head?

I can sort of see what your getting at, the set up and what they are doing seems a little strange to me but I don't in anyway see it as glorifying pitched urban gun battles. Can't say it is my cup of tea. Paintball is more my cup of tea, much more gratifying when your target screams. And for the record, playing paintball doesn't make me want to rush out and paint a house.

You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.

Target shooting is one thing, and, as I said, I am no fan of people like Kevin Milne who have a jaded view of guns and their owners, far from it.

If I had to be picky, I would also critisise the choice of music, it made the whole video seem like a "shoot em up" video game.

On a website for motorcyclists, I see there is a sticky thread simply for firearms (I have never even looked at it), so it is safe to assume that for some reason, firearms are pupular in this group.

So be it, like I said, I am no anti gun lobbiest.

To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?

Hunting....

Rabbits? no
Ducks? no
Deer? no
Pigs? no

My experiences of hunting and target shooting never involved stalking a Deer back to it's little wooden house in the clearing, waiting for it to get inside (and take cover), before approaching the little wooden house and shooting the Deer through an open window.

Anyone else?

The second video, that is a different kettle of fish, that (to me) looked like a sport, not to say that shooting pistols through an open window (what situation do you think that represents? collecting on your tick bill perhaps?) doesn't involve a level of skill,but the second video did not represent a real life situation in the slightest....stand on the mark, hit all the target s that you see with these weapons in the shortest possible time.

The first video is the sort of thing you see Police train for........ when the hell is a civilian going to use those skills? (shooting through an open window)

[SMOKEU]

What?
You mean you can't take cover behind an open car door?

Apparently not.

[Ronin]

You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.

Target shooting is one thing, and, as I said, I am no fan of people like Kevin Milne who have a jaded view of guns and their owners, far from it.

If I had to be picky, I would also critisise the choice of music, it made the whole video seem like a "shoot em up" video game.

On a website for motorcyclists, I see there is a sticky thread simply for firearms (I have never even looked at it), so it is safe to assume that for some reason, firearms are pupular in this group.
Rather than generalise you could take the view that there is a group (a sub set) of people on this site who are interested in firearms, hunting etc. There are some on this site who enjoy and discuss drugs, sores this make us all users?


So be it, like I said, I am no anti gun lobbiest.

To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?

Hunting....

Rabbits? no
Ducks? no
Deer? no
Pigs? no

My experiences of hunting and target shooting never involved stalking a Deer back to it's little wooden house in the clearing, waiting for it to get inside (and take cover), before approaching the little wooden house and shooting the Deer through an open window.

Anyone else?

Bambi can be a tricky little fucker.


The second video, that is a different kettle of fish, that (to me) looked like a sport, not to say that shooting pistols through an open window (what situation do you think that represents? collecting on your tick bill perhaps?) doesn't involve a level of skill,but the second video did not represent a real life situation in the slightest....stand on the mark, hit all the target s that you see with these weapons in the shortest possible time.

The first video is the sort of thing you see Police train for........ when the hell is a civilian going to use those skills? (shooting through an open window)

Like I said before. I can see where your coming from and if the video was of Americans then I may be more inclined to agree with you. They after all have a very strange relationship with firearms.

I can also see where Tank is coming from. It is an interesting way of challenging your skills with a firearm in a controlled situation. Going by how Gun clubs in NZ and firearm laws in general operate, I find it difficult to imagine that any person that would glorify urban contact would get far enough to take part in this.

For the record. I once held a firearms licence, owned rifles and target shot. I sold the rifles and surrendered my licence when I lost interest and had no need for them.

[Ronin]

Apparently not.

I once did some training with the Police as part of being able to ride along and we were told in no uncertain terms that if you do have to hide behind a car, pick the engine and even then it is lousy cover.

[slofox]

I have done a lot of clay target shooting in the past - boom-stick stuff. Very good "top two inches" training, I thought...but after reading some of the posts here, maybe it means I am a homicidal maniac...

[SMOKEU]

I once did some training with the Police as part of being able to ride along and we were told in no uncertain terms that if you do have to hide behind a car, pick the engine and even then it is lousy cover.

You're not a cop are you?

[Usarka]

Don't knock it until you have tried it.

It's like videoing ones self on a track day - on the bike you're having a blast and it's a real challenge, but unless you're a racer you look like a slow muppet.

PS - It rather do it with a shotgun.

[Tank]

PS - It rather do it with a shotgun.

They do a 3 gun event. Pistol, rifle and shotgun. Not a bad way to spend the day.

[Ronin]

You're not a cop are you?

Would it matter if I was?

[Tank]

Would it matter if I was?

Well, for one I kinda feel silly offering you those drugs at the last rally.

[Ronin]

Well, for one I kinda feel silly offering you those drugs at the last rally.

You mean when I can get 'em using the blue discount?

[SMOKEU]

Would it matter if I was?

I like to stay 1 step ahead of the opposition.

[Tank]

You mean when I can get 'em using the blue discount?

and that wasnt a breathalyzer was it?

[Ronin]

and that wasnt a breathalyzer was it?

Well no but you blew like a champ.

[Tank]

Well no but you blew like a champ.

It was closer to flossing ;-)

[Ronin]

The honda club got there first

[freedom-wedge]

Another informative post. Have you ever been to a pistol range?
The RO and the scorekeeper have holstered firearms because they are also part of the firing detail and part of the competition. Everyone takes their turn with various tasks on the range. The RO has a timer that will be accurate down to 100ths of a second and a match may be won or lost by such a margin.
IPSC competition is damed challenging, much like any top-level discipline of competition.

Don't knock it until you have tried it.

I was an active member of the NZPA for 12 years, action mostly. and the discipline needed is extreme, just to become holster qualified and to be able to draw a pistol takes a fair bit of effort and testing. As a range officer I often ran events like these hot, its the safest way, every one knows that the side arm is loaded no matter where on the range, holstered or on the line except in the saftey zone of course. Its an extreme sport and as such requires much to compete and to stay involved in. My advice to anyone who shoots, go to an open day at a local range its will give you a new appreciation.

Pedro

[freedom-wedge]

And by extreme I mean being able to cast a bullet, to swage it and to load it all to get ones equipment to work well and fast on the day, its a hand eye and time disipline, I never knew anyone in our club nor anywhere else who mentioned the word combat or simulation of such. Its easy to look from the outside in and think somthing is strange. If you talk to the men and women at a range in NZ you find level headedness mostly. There are some valid points made in this thread. Anyway people go and give it a go, there are many classes of pistol event.

Pedro

[firefighter]

The only thing your crap deserves here, is "shut. the. fuck. up".

Everyone else here is enjoying it, or if not, minding their own business...... go preach somewhere else. Are you John Minto by chance?

Fucken hell. What an arsehole.



You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.

Target shooting is one thing, and, as I said, I am no fan of people like Kevin Milne who have a jaded view of guns and their owners, far from it.

If I had to be picky, I would also critisise the choice of music, it made the whole video seem like a "shoot em up" video game.

On a website for motorcyclists, I see there is a sticky thread simply for firearms (I have never even looked at it), so it is safe to assume that for some reason, firearms are pupular in this group.

So be it, like I said, I am no anti gun lobbiest.

To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?

Hunting....

Rabbits? no
Ducks? no
Deer? no
Pigs? no

My experiences of hunting and target shooting never involved stalking a Deer back to it's little wooden house in the clearing, waiting for it to get inside (and take cover), before approaching the little wooden house and shooting the Deer through an open window.

Anyone else?

The second video, that is a different kettle of fish, that (to me) looked like a sport, not to say that shooting pistols through an open window (what situation do you think that represents? collecting on your tick bill perhaps?) doesn't involve a level of skill,but the second video did not represent a real life situation in the slightest....stand on the mark, hit all the target s that you see with these weapons in the shortest possible time.

The first video is the sort of thing you see Police train for........ when the hell is a civilian going to use those skills? (shooting through an open window)

[Swoop]

I was an active member of the NZPA for 12 years, action mostly. and the discipline needed is extreme, just to become holster qualified and to be able to draw a pistol takes a fair bit of effort and testing. As a range officer I often ran events like these hot, its the safest way, every one knows that the side arm is loaded no matter where on the range, holstered or on the line except in the saftey zone of course. Its an extreme sport and as such requires much to compete and to stay involved in. My advice to anyone who shoots, go to an open day at a local range its will give you a new appreciation.

Pedro
Very well said Pedro. Totally different range discipline compared to the Public Servants' ranges where standing 3m away from a (static) paper target is quite common.

... awaits input from our public servants' around here...

[Hoon]

You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.
...
To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?


You fail to understand the purpose of "sport". Sport doesn't have to be a test of a persons skill at some 'real life scenario'. It can be any skill that 2 or more people decide to see who is the better at regardless of how useful or relevant to real life that skill is. Pole Vaulting is a sport, even tiddly winks!! Concluding that pistol competitions are the work of the devil trying to turn us into gun wielding maniacs is as ridiculous/paranoid as saying pole vaulting only serves to help criminals escape from prisons.

You can't try to associate pistol shoooting against some relevant real life skill because there isn't one. Yes you can say shooting equips people to be murderers but like that General once supposedly said, all women are equipped to be prostitutes but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.

[Usarka]

as saying pole vaulting only serves to help criminals escape from prisons.


why do you think they banned poles from prisons????!!!!

[Smifffy]

why do you think they banned poles from prisons????!!!!

I thought it was because they gave the crims angle grinders now.

[SS90]

You fail to understand the purpose of "sport". Sport doesn't have to be a test of a persons skill at some 'real life scenario'. It can be any skill that 2 or more people decide to see who is the better at regardless of how useful or relevant to real life that skill is. Pole Vaulting is a sport, even tiddly winks!! Concluding that pistol competitions are the work of the devil trying to turn us into gun wielding maniacs is as ridiculous/paranoid as saying pole vaulting only serves to help criminals escape from prisons.

You can't try to associate pistol shoooting against some relevant real life skill because there isn't one. Yes you can say shooting equips people to be murderers but like that General once supposedly said, all women are equipped to be prostitutes but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.

I never said that a sport had to be test of some-ones skill in a "real life scenario".

I was trying to point out how a civilian simply does not need these skills.

Military, for sure, but "James the plumber" from Hutt Vally simply does not.

I seem to keep having to repeat myself, I am not anti gun, I am simply questioning the validity of having a sport that glorifies urban combat, because that is what this video portrays.

Shooting targets through a window with a pistol (to me) is a macho ego rush.

I am not saying it is easy, far from it, but I see it as an unhealthy pass time for some people.

Look at what some half wit wrote about "shooting cars" WTF? how the hell is that healthy?

The "sport" shown in the video (complete with PS3 style "shoot em up" music) does nothing to portray gun enthusiasts in a good light, quite the opposite actually.

[Smifffy]

I never said that a sport had to be test of some-ones skill in a "real life scenario".

I was trying to point out how a civilian simply does not need these skills.

Military, for sure, but "James the plumber" from Hutt Vally simply does not.

I seem to keep having to repeat myself, I am not anti gun, I am simply questioning the validity of having a sport that glorifies urban combat, because that is what this video portrays.

Shooting targets through a window with a pistol (to me) is a macho ego rush.

I am not saying it is easy, far from it, but I see it as an unhealthy pass time for some people.

Look at what some half wit wrote about "shooting cars" WTF? how the hell is that healthy?

The "sport" shown in the video (complete with PS3 style "shoot em up" music) does nothing to portray gun enthusiasts in a good light, quite the opposite actually.

Maybe James the plumber is the best person to decide which skills he wants and needs, providing he doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.

It's not your thing, so don't do it. I don't hear any of those actually doing it speaking of getting a macho ego rush. The shooting cars comment iirc did not come from someone that is involved in this sport or a club, yet you keep using that comment to denigrate those who are in a club.

[Tank]

I was trying to point out how a civilian simply does not need these skills.

Funnily enough a civilian does not need the following skills either:
Pole Vault
Luge
Boxing
Karate
Ability to make Rockets (like the model rocket club)

And yet people do - and most never go on to cause any harm with it. Because they simply do it for enjoyment.


I am simply questioning the validity of having a sport that glorifies urban combat
Again - I have trouble seeing your link - perhaps if they were shooting targets of people etc. Paintball sounds more what you are talking about there - perhaps that should be banned?


The "sport" shown in the video (complete with PS3 style "shoot em up" music) does nothing to portray gun enthusiasts in a good light.
FWIW - I never have the sound on my laptop - so I didnt hear the music.

But - your comment is interesting as it says more about you than the people you are criticizing. "does nothing to portray gun enthusiasts in a good light." that reminds me of the dipshits that call themselves car enthusiasts - when they are just dropkicks hooning around on the road.

Im not - and the majority of people I shoot with are not "gun enthusiasts" they enjoy the sport - not the weapons.

Whilst I enjoy shooting (and do it weekly) - shooting at a static target 25 mts away can get boring (I assume that sport is OK with you - although civilians dont need that skill either). You want to change it around a bit.

Im guessing there is no changing your mind - and thats OK. Im used to hand wringers. But here is one final point I will make:

My most prized possession in the world is my son. I love him to bits and I would die for him in a heartbeat. I take him along to this - and yep - he is now shooting with a .22 pistol. If I had ANY belief AT ALL that there were idiots there, or that there was any risk to him now or in the future (being behavior or a unhealthy association with shooting etc) - I would never do that.

As for the macho comment - thats not even worth mentioning - people with Rambo complexes generally never get their pistol licence.

[Squiggles]

providing he doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.

And if he does, at least it'll be quick...

[nseagoon]

if anyone has any real issues and dont want to be ignorant, or prehaps want to enlighten themselves and ask the educated ones questions.

go on the Pistol NZ website and find a local club. Attend it and ask questions and gain knowledge.
I attend a club and I dont consider myself some macho rambo, nor do I consider any other members as such.

Understand this. If anyone doesn't ask they are just choosing to be an ignorant tossers who probably should really mind their own business. And another thing to consider, if you have a sport that suits you and I dont like it. I'm not going to accuse anyone of being some psycho criminal or fool as such.