Downloading Free MotoGP is Banned and Illegal !! WTF?

[Fart]

I usually download my MotoGP from a few sites and it used to be free. But apparently it is now banned and motogp.com have threatened legal action on most of the bike sites for posting up free MotoGP download. WTF?? :mad:

Whats the big deal? It is free to watch on TV so why the big fuss about free downloads? It is not illegal to record it on TV, so one should be able to download it for free also.

http://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=21346&page=1&pp=15

http://www.socalsportbikes.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=26112

[bugjuice]

well that blows..
it's their content, they can do as they wish..

[Fart]

well that blows..
it's their content, they can do as they wish..

Yeah, but all it does is send the downloaders to share files in WINMX and LIMEWIRE. It doesnt stop people from sharing the files. Motogp will piss off potential clients who wont support their sites. Oh well, will have to ask friends for a CD. FEINT, where are you?

[speedpro]

I just finished watching the GP I recorded to the PC from Prime. Rossi is a GOD.

I do wish those commentators would STFU and let us listen to the engines now and again.

[bugjuice]

Yeah, but all it does is send the downloaders to share files in WINMX and LIMEWIRE. It doesnt stop people from sharing the files. Motogp will piss off potential clients who wont support their sites. Oh well, will have to ask friends for a CD. FEINT, where are you?
Oh, I'm with you on this, for sure. There's a billion other places where you could probably get it. But as MotoGPs right, they can say what they want, and we have to say 'oook then'.. Doesn't stop anything.
Whats to stop it's members who have access from sharing it round their mates? Or a group of us buying in to their site so we can get it and share the cost..??

[Marmoot]

Whats the big deal? It is free to watch on TV so why the big fuss about free downloads? It is not illegal to record it on TV, so one should be able to download it for free also.

That means they want you to watch it on TV.
You know, the ratings, number of viewers, etc, affect the price of a program that a TV station has to pay when they want to acquire the rights to air it on their program.

The more viewers = the more expensive they can sell advertisement spot = the more money the TV station can get = the more expensive the maker can sell the program.

[chris]

MotoGP is a business, simple. TV companies pay to air the coverage, it's not free to air in that sense. Just like any other business they are protecting their interests.

[enigma51]

What would realy be nice if prime would show the after race interviews!!!!!!!!

[Fart]

You guys have a point. But the argument is that one should have a alternative to watching it on TV for those that missed the TV screening. Bike sites that post up free downloads is actually doing a service for the motogp sport and viewers by enticing new viewers to the sport of motor racing. People who usually download motogl also watches it on tv, buys their products and owns a bike. The fact that they banned free downloads and threaten legal action shows motogp's lack of understanding in their client base and customers. Banning us to download from sites will make us more likely not to support the motogp.com site.

A very good example is the music industry. We can download music for free from file sharing. Yet the MTV, TV4, radios and other music TV stations still have a large client base to bring in great advertising revenue.

[Odin]

We can watch it free on TV, but the TV station pays for it with add $. So to watch it on TV you are ment to watch the adds too :msn-wink: Thats why they have the right to stop you from downloading it. And have you ever seen a market grow for anything thats free and it NOT turn in to something to pay for. It happenes every time..... "there is no sutch thing as a free lunch.."

edit : aren't i a bit bloody slow :whistle:

[chris]

But the argument is that one should have a alternative to watching it on TV for those that missed the TV screening.

So if a viewer misses Shortland Street (possibly a godsend) it should be posted on the web for those that missed it?



screening. Bike sites that post up free downloads is actually doing a service for the motogp sport and viewers by enticing new viewers to the sport of motor racing.

I am not sure that your average interweb surfer is going to spend hours downloading the race just to see what it is like.

I understand what you are saying, but MotoGP is there to make money for the teams, sponsors, riders, promoters, circuit owners and TV companies before the fans enjoyment.

[Zapf]

funny how you can tape TV and be OK

but download the program for viewing yourself and its illegal..... stupid damm people.

[chris]

funny how you can tape TV and be OK.

But that copy you make is still subject to copyright laws, passing it round your mates may be illegal?



but download the program for viewing yourself and its illegal..... stupid damm people.

But the websites are not paying to broadcast the races, that is where the problem lies.

[Skunk]

What would realy be nice if prime would show the after race interviews!!!!!!!!
Email Prime... I did. Every voice counts.

[Wolf]

funny how you can tape TV and be OK
Actually, according to NZ's copyright laws you are only allowed to tape from tv for the purpose of "time-shifting" - to record a programme that screens at a time you would not normally be able to view it so you can view it later at your convenience - you are then expected to reuse the tape and overwrite the recorded programme. NZ law expressly forbids taping it from the TV and keeping it.

They also won't allow media shifting - encoding CDs you paid damn good money for onto MP3 format for your ipod or computer. In the US, the law says you can make mp3s from CDs you have purchased. This means not even Metallica can complain about you having mp3s of their songs so long as you own the appropriate album on CD.

Where do the NZ vendors get off putting restrictions over and above the copyright notices of the original source? According to NZ law, I'm not allowed to copy my Meatloaf CDs onto my computer even though the country from which those CDs originate says I can.

I cannot copy my CDs and tapes or record my vinyl to tape and use only the copies (to prevent damage to the valuable originals) - I must use the originals and if they get damaged, I have to go out and buy another copy. If the album is now out of print and not available anywhere, touch shit. If I get my mate to make me a copy of his, we can be arrested, and fined or imprisoned as "pirates" despite the fact that the original definition of software/media piracy was copying and selling the software/recorded media, not copying for your own use.

Funny how laws designed to stop people making themselves money by copying someone else's work and selling it got twisted into stop people from copying anything at all for any reason - including ensuring your 1st edition Sergeant Pepper album does not get destroyed through careless handling.

[Skunk]

Actually, according to NZ's copyright laws you are only allowed to tape from tv for the purpose of "time-shifting" - to record a programme that screens at a time you would not normally be able to view it so you can view it later at your convenience - you are then expected to reuse the tape and overwrite the recorded programme. NZ law expressly forbids taping it from the TV and keeping it.
I understand that those laws are under review now. So we should see change sometime in the next twenty years.

[Racey Rider]

Yes, the interviews would be good.

Email I will! :yes:

[danb]

I understand that those laws are under review now. So we should see change sometime in the next twenty years.

Twenty years sounds far to long - but as usual nothing gets fixed in this country unless shit really hits the fan or someone in parliament gets involved.

[phaedrus]

has anyone ever been done for making personal backups or selvaging an abandoned album?
[edit]
we are supposed to ignore some laws sometimes (getting the alcohol you buy home)
http://www.nzdf.org.nz/update/messages/1675.htm
could copyright be another one?

[gav]

Hmm, havent got my email yet? :devil2:
Owww, thats gotta hurt... (http://www2.motogp.com/ppv_multimedia2/296/296096_618.wmv)

[Bob]

It is, as has been said, an issue of both copyright and payment for services.

MotoGP have 'video clips' available on their site - but you have to pay a membership fee to see them. Unless the other website pays them a fee, then they're losing revenue from their product.

TV is "free", but the TV station pays Dorna (owners of MotoGP) for the right to show the races. They then recoup their costs - and hopefully make a profit - by selling advertising space.

In both cases, if some website gets hold of coverage and puts it out there for free, then they are taking away from the revenue stream. And if the money doesn't come in, then the business (and it is a business, remember that) folds. And then no-one has any racing to watch.

Recording the race - laws are fairly similar in most countries it seems. You can record for "personal purposes", ie watch it as you were out or it is on at an inconvenient time (how long you're 'allowed' to keep varies from country to country - in the UK it was as little as 30 days at one stage). But you cannot broadcast it publically, sell it and so on. Again, this would take away from MotoGP's revenues, when they bring out the DVD/VHS/Whatever media for sale at the end of the season.

Someone mentioned file sharing sites and how that is free. I don't know the sites in question, but unless they're fully legal, licenced sites, then you're probably breaking copyright law by downloading... sorry "sharing files" from them as well. Napster (the original, not the new, licenced version) was taken to court and closed down for that very reason. And if they're legal, licenced sites, then they'd be charging a download fee, as they'd have to purchase/own the rights to each track in the first place.

Never mix up "available" with "legal"...

[curious george]

Never mix up "available" with "legal"...

I knew a girl like that once... :killingme