Riding with no shoes

[The Everlasting]

I was in my cage when I saw this girl on her scoot wearing not very long shorts,and only jandals,I was actually shocked. I would never get on any scooter or bike with Jandals,you could end up with mutilated legs/foot.


It was a 09 150cc Piaggio Fly,not a slow 50cc Scoot.

[Nasty]

People don't give a second thought that their ankles and legs are important to their everyday life. Its a shame as its only when things are gone that we appreciate them.

[pc220]

Riding with only jandals on wont actually do any damage to her feet ,but crashing hate to think.

[cowboyz]

well.. maybe she is a very organised person and scheduled to crash on another day................

[boman]

"Stop nagging, it will never happen to me........" That is what you would get if you ever brought the subject up.

[fliplid]

"Stop nagging, it will never happen to me........" That is what you would get if you ever brought the subject up.

Seen quite a few numpties riding scooters wearing them polystyrene cyclist "helmets" as well...

[FJRider]

But she was wearing the fluro vest ... so she was safety aware ... :innocent:

[Iggy]

WTF.................at least she was wearing a visiabilty jacket...................then forgetting proper safe gear for her legs and feet.
A real dumbarse that one:doh:

[FJRider]

WTF.................at least she was wearing a visiabilty jacket...................then forgetting proper safe gear for her legs and feet.
A real dumbarse that one:doh:

JAFFA's eh ... :lol:

[Iggy]

:mellow:
JAFFA's eh ... :lol:

and they can keep em...............will she get ACC if her legs get munted?....................probably will or if Iam wrong:gob:

[Berries]

Well I thought Auckland was just another part of Samoa so I can't see the problem. ATGATT in the islands means having a bike, not dead cow head to toe like some on KB preach.

[marty]

Actually shocked? That's pretty serious!

Hey does your cool rpm gauge have a shift light?

[Big Dave]

For Jim.
Burn them.

[FJRider]

Well I thought Auckland was just another part of Samoa so I can't see the problem. ATGATT in the islands means having a bike, not dead cow head to toe like some on KB preach.

You don't need a "dead cow head to toe" to prevent most of the road rash ... but even small amounts can ruin your day. AND IT HURTS ... (scar's are cool eh !!!)

[Genie]

but she is not going to crash so why wear anything but jandals? The thought does not enter scooter rider's head that they will get hurt, it's just like riding a pushbike, hence those that wear cycle helmets.

[FJRider]

but she is not going to crash so why wear anything but jandals? The thought does not enter scooter rider's head that they will get hurt, it's just like riding a pushbike, hence those that wear cycle helmets.

That why I speed ... They'll never catch me doing it ... :lol:

[Urano]

here it's pretty common.
to see people with tie and jacket too, pointing out their shiny mocassino...
people on scooters like to think that "scooter is slower than a motorbike, so it's not as dangerous" when they dress up, and that "scooter are faster and more agile than a bike" when they are standing at the red light...

i probably won't buy a scooter to my daughter: if you want, you'll get a serious motorbike, with a decent wheel size, a fair braking system and you'll take driving lessons and track days.
otherwise there are bikes. with pedals.

[The Everlasting]

Actually shocked? That's pretty serious!

Hey does your cool rpm gauge have a shift light?


Well not really shocked I guess,but more suprised that someone would ride like that..




It's a boost gauge,so there is no shift light...

[The Everlasting]

WTF.................at least she was wearing a visiabilty jacket...................then forgetting proper safe gear for her legs and feet.
A real dumbarse that one:doh:

Haha yeah,good point there!! :doh:

[allycatz]

Says the man using a camera/cell whilst driving....seriously though what a daft lady!

[cowboyz]

Says the man using a camera/cell whilst driving....seriously though what a daft lady!


dont worry about the camera/cell when driving.. be more worried about the red light and the chick in front riding along with her foot on the ground!

[Spearfish]

Went to the old Victoria battery on Saturday (never been to an open day) it was a good riding day...
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_TSOoFgQA-nk/RZe0aTxPa4I/AAAAAAAAAfs/dxKxQXDZaAo/s720/IMGP3575%20-%20Ruins%20at%20Victoria%20Battery%2C%20Karangahak e%20Gorge.JPG
its a good view point to bike watch while having lunch, over the hour I saw two AG bikes NO gear at all not even an AG helmet, prolly 4 or five sports bikes giving it a bit of a nudge into on coming cars in jacket brain bucket board shorts and trainers, shyt loads of cruiser American shriners with black T's jeans and no gloves. (wind chill?)
the worst tho was a fully kitted MoRetard biker trying to fit a gap that wasn't there causing an articulated truck to lock-up and serve...the shyt ya see when you don't have a camera...
Each to their own I guess?

[The Everlasting]

Says the man using a camera/cell whilst driving....seriously though what a daft lady!

I wasn't moving/driving,as you can clearly see on the picture..:doh:

[Virago]

I wasn't moving/driving,as you can clearly see on the picture..:doh:

Neither was the scooter rider...

Regardless of that, she wasn't breaking any laws - but you were.

[quickbuck]

Neither was the scooter rider...

Regardless of that, she wasn't breaking any laws - but you were.

Law Scmaw.... Not really about the Law per sae..
More about the attitude.

Rider wasn't breaking the law.. BUT she doesn't appear to realise that wearing jandles on a bike (even a scooter) isn't a smart idea.

Yes, OP may have been breaking the law, if he used his cell phone, but not camera AFAIK....
Thing is, he just took photographic evidence of something that shocked him so we could ALL learn.
Okay, preaching to the choir... OR am I?

Have a read of yungatart's post AGATT in Survival Skills and see what i mean....

[The Everlasting]

Law Scmaw.... Not really about the Law per sae..
More about the attitude.

Rider wasn't breaking the law.. BUT she doesn't appear to realise that wearing jandles on a bike (even a scooter) isn't a smart idea.

Yes, OP may have been breaking the law, if he used his cell phone, but not camera AFAIK....
Thing is, he just took photographic evidence of something that shocked him so we could ALL learn.
Okay, preaching to the choir... OR am I?

Have a read of yungatart's post AGATT in Survival Skills and see what i mean....


I didn't use my cell phone,I only used the Camera..:p

If i were on my bike I would have said "wtf,your wearing jandals"?

As someone else pointed out,she was wearing a flouro vest but didn't bother with shoes and pants etc.

I posted this because i see threads on kiwibiker about riders having accidents at least a couple of times a week,and if they are only wearing jandals..................

[Jonno.]

Come to Auckland Uni during the morning. I've seen 1 out of a hundred wearing anything more then shorts and jandals.
I have seen someone with oven gloves on though :laugh:

[Ixion]

Burn them. Burn them all!

[The Everlasting]

Come to Auckland Uni during the morning. I've seen 1 out of a hundred wearing anything more then shorts and jandals.
I have seen someone with oven gloves on though :laugh:

Oven gloves? wtf..:laugh: :laugh:



btw,have you ever seen someone riding a geared motorbike wearing jandals?

With my bike,your foot would get munted fast operating the gears!! As you gotta be fairly rough with it....

[quickbuck]

Burn them. Burn them all!

If they are wearing oven gloves they will be okay....

[quickbuck]

Come to Auckland Uni during the morning. I've seen 1 out of a hundred wearing anything more then shorts and jandals.
I have seen someone with oven gloves on though :laugh:

Ironic that Auckland University is supposed to be an educational institute....
People can't even educate themselves on the correct PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) to wear on a motorcycle.....
The world is a little screwed!

[cowboyz]

Neither was the scooter rider...

Regardless of that, she wasn't breaking any laws - but you were.


that is the type of mentality that is promoting our nanny state. Its legal therefore it must be ok. No need to make any personal decisions.

[Jonno.]

Thats scooters only btw, although there are the odd bike riders wearing a shirt and no gloves.

I have seen one rider riding wearing socks only. Ouch.

[Berries]

I have seen someone with oven gloves on though :laugh:

Not the ones with a piece of string between the left and right ones ? Now that would be quite skillful.

At least the bird with the flip flops on got home ok. Unlike all the dicks in the full leathers in this thread - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121398-Road-or-Rider Makes you wonder who the idiot is.

[steve_t]

I have seen one rider riding wearing socks only. Ouch.

Maybe the socks and oven gloves were kevlar-lined? :laugh: ;)

[rustic101]

O people 'Handle the Jandal', At lest the chickies down here wear appropriate footwear, 'Heels'....

I cringe ever time I see one ripping through traffic like they are 6'2 and bullet proof..

[rie]

I personally find it more amusing when motorcyclists ride with jandals. gear shifts are like bloody butter knives. they would chew off your toes before you even got to the dairy.

[The Everlasting]

I personally find it more amusing when motorcyclists ride with jandals. gear shifts are like bloody butter knives. they would chew off your toes before you even got to the dairy.


Yeah I have never seen that,yet..................

[pritch]

A friend who shall remain nameless because he still works in the industry rode in jandals on his Brit bike. Knee down hadn't been invented back then but we used to drag our toes. He forgot about the jandals and did the toe drag thing, the jandal caught the road and pulled his foot under the peg. Nasty. He didn't do that again.

These days he has more gear than anybody I know, and wears it...

[dori]

We hire scooters when we go to the Cook Islands for the holidays, im suprised more people dont die on them over there...

[hellokitty]

My dad has just finished restoring his bike, and popped over with my Mum for a visit.
I just about died when they turned up - My Mum in her open face helmet and no gloves, wearing a jumper and my Dad wearing sandals and no gloves.

Luckily I am a major geek and have 3 of everything, so after screeching at them, managed to dress my Mum appropriately (couldn't help my dad tho)

You would think at their age they would know better

[Berries]

We hire scooters when we go to the Cook Islands for the holidays, im suprised more people dont die on them over there...

Quite a few do. You should have a look out the back of the police station next time you are there. Wearing flip flops isn't going to kill you though.

[The Everlasting]

A friend who shall remain nameless because he still works in the industry rode in jandals on his Brit bike. Knee down hadn't been invented back then but we used to drag our toes. He forgot about the jandals and did the toe drag thing, the jandal caught the road and pulled his foot under the peg. Nasty. He didn't do that again.

These days he has more gear than anybody I know, and wears it...

Yeah I guess it takes an accident before people realise they need to wear their gear...

[bluebird]

saw one better than that. a chick on a scooter texting while riding along Manukau road in rush hour traffic. I wondered why the scoot was all over the road and passed her, she was totally out of it on the twitter.

[jono035]

Yeah I guess it takes an accident before people realise they need to wear their gear...

Yeah, in a lot of cases it seems to. It's a pity people can't be more pro-active about it because a decent percentage of accidents involve serious injury or death, you're not guaranteed a second chance.

I'm amazed there aren't more people maimed on scooters to be honest. I know of 4 or 5 scooter riders who have been shunted by a car with varying degrees of severity. The worst mangled the scooter beyond belief, the most recent was about a month ago and involved a trip to the hospital for X-rays for the rider.

[The Everlasting]

While out for a walk on huia road this afternoon,I saw a GSXR600 ride past me,shorts and a t-shirt,I thought to myself,okay another one,a lot of people seem to do that,but he then rode past me again,and I then noticed he wasn't wearing any shoes at all,he was barefoot,no sandals,nothing. Would that not hurt when your changing gears?

I could not believe it,and just stared for a second shaking my head.

[Hitcher]

I was in my cage when I saw this girl on her scoot wearing not very long shorts,and only jandals,I was actually shocked. I would never get on any scooter or bike with Jandals,you could end up with mutilated legs/foot.


It was a 09 150cc Piaggio Fly,not a slow 50cc Scoot.

I'm not sure what's worse: people who ride motorcycles while wearing jandals or people who are incapable of inserting a space after a punctuation mark.

[The Everlasting]

I'm not sure what's worse: people who ride motorcycles while wearing jandals or people who are incapable of inserting a space after a punctuation mark.



Oh dear. :o That is much worse than riding with Jandals...

[Hitcher]

Oh dear. :o That is much worse than riding with Jandals...

Indeed. One is an act of carefree indifference. The other is a deliberately calculated action. Both by people who should arguably know better.

[Geeen]

Was listening to the radio the other day and the guy on was talking about his time in A&E, At that stage leather jandals were all the rage and all the girlies with scooters were putting their feet down to brake and the jandals were slicing up between their toes......

[rustic101]

The OP's picture bothers me a little bit....

I actually suspect that its a guy not a girl. The leg, more specifically the ankle and calf appears male shaped and not as refined as a females, she/he is wearing a hoody under a fluro vest (big fashion fopa) and the face in the left and right mirror appear to be that of a male...:crazy:

[mossy1200]

The OP's picture bothers me a little bit....

I actually suspect that its a guy not a girl. The leg, more specifically the ankle and calf appears male shaped and not as refined as a females, she/he is wearing a hoody under a fluro vest (big fashion fopa) and the face in the left and right mirror appear to be that of a male...:crazy:

Either way its not mantrol

[The Everlasting]

The OP's picture bothers me a little bit....

I actually suspect that its a guy not a girl. The leg, more specifically the ankle and calf appears male shaped and not as refined as a females, she/he is wearing a hoody under a fluro vest (big fashion fopa) and the face in the left and right mirror appear to be that of a male...:crazy:

It was definitely a girl. :laugh:

[rustic101]

It was definitely a girl. :laugh:

Clearly I need new glasses:whistle:

[GingerMidget]

I wear full gear on my scooter. Why? Cos when I come off, it will hurt less.

Plus some awesome guy on an R6 came up to my at the lights, looked me up and down and gave me a thumbs up. I'm assuming it was the the gear.

[mossy1200]

I wear full gear on my scooter. Why? Cos when I come off, it will hurt less.

Plus some awesome guy on an R6 came up to my at the lights, looked me up and down and gave me a thumbs up. I'm assuming it was the the gear.

Nope it was the chaps and G string he liked.

[Hoarn]

Nope it was the chaps and G string he liked.

True that, GM should probably be wearing them UNDER her other gear <_<

[vifferman]

Meehhhhhh!!! :wacko:

I wrote off my first bike wearing jandals. I'm still alive, still have all my toes. The injury that gives me the most grief (apart from the incedental damage from being chainsawed up the middle in 2010) is my left heel, which is giving me grief every day, especially when I get <s>it</s> up first thing in the morning. That was a by-product of writing off my VFR750 when SumDick u-turned into me. I was wearing ALL the gear, including decent armoured boots. Obviously, if I'd been wearing my jandals I would've been OK.:rolleyes:

[Katman]

Why? Cos when I come off, it will hurt less.



Have you set a date yet?

[GingerMidget]

Have you set a date yet?

How the weather up on your high horse?

Wait, less horse, more nag.

[mossy1200]

Have you set a date yet?


Katman is offering to be the best man?

[Tigadee]

i probably won't buy a scooter to my daughter: if you want, you'll get a serious motorbike, with a decent wheel size, a fair braking system and you'll take driving lessons and track days.

Gasp! And have to shift gear or use feet to operate the vehicle?

The mentality of slow speed = safe for scooters is also amplified by the idea that the legs would be protected by the large bulbulous front of the scooter... Tui anyone?

[DODO``]

I was in my cage when I saw this girl on her scoot wearing not very long shorts,and only jandals,I was actually shocked. I would never get on any scooter or bike with Jandals,you could end up with mutilated legs/foot.


It was a 09 150cc Piaggio Fly,not a slow 50cc Scoot.


At least she's on 50km zone, I was one the harbour bridge couple weeks ago, riding along with me full gear on, this dude with absolutely no motorcycle gear but the half face helmet on, zipped past me. no nothing, all he was wearing was helmet, shorts, shirt, jandals on his scooter..:facepalm: oh, and im guessing undie.

[Berries]

Did he crash and die?

[DODO``]

Did he crash and die?

oh, one day,, one day..

[avgas]

But she was wearing the fluro vest ... so she was safety aware ... :innocent:
Haven't you heard. According to statistics hi-viz is the safest thing on the planet. No one dies wearing hi-viz.

If Jesus wore Hi-Viz there would be no Easter.

Hi-Viz is the only thing that stops a Chuck Norris Roundhouse kick.

The only people who survived the titanic sinking wore Hi-Viz instead of life jackets.

Chernobyl is currently contained under a layer of Hi-Viz.

[Pixie]

I suspect the scooter rider was unable to pay for boots after paying her ACC levy

[Trade_nancy]

That's an act of stupidity that is not perculiar to scooter riders. Saw a bloke the size of a large wilderbeast riding a Harley Ultra down the esplanade/beach main drag at Paraparumu Beach. We had just stopped, parked our touring bikes and perched ourselves outside a cafe and were busy pulling off leggings, padded jackets etc and right by rides this guy....short pants, T-shirt, jandels..and a lid...:wacko:

[GingerMidget]

That's an act of stupidity that is not perculiar to scooter riders. Saw a bloke the size of a large wilderbeast riding a Harley Ultra down the esplanade/beach main drag at Paraparumu Beach. We had just stopped, parked our touring bikes and perched ourselves outside a cafe and were busy pulling off leggings, padded jackets etc and right by rides this guy....short pants, T-shirt, jandels..and a lid...:wacko:

Saw the same thing in palmy on friday.

[FJRider]

Considering the OP posted this thread two years ago ... and this thread is still relevant ... :yes:

[oneofsix]

Jandals have always been an option for as long as I can remember, mainly on cruisers and scooters. They must extend some invisible force field or something but it seems to fail on bikes where the top of the foot is required to change gears, go figure :wacko: :corn:

[Berries]

That's an act of stupidity that is not perculiar to scooter riders. Saw a bloke the size of a large wilderbeast riding a Harley Ultra down the esplanade/beach main drag at Paraparumu Beach. We had just stopped, parked our touring bikes and perched ourselves outside a cafe and were busy pulling off leggings, padded jackets etc and right by rides this guy....short pants, T-shirt, jandels..and a lid...:wacko:
Did he crash and die?

[scumdog]

That's an act of stupidity that is not perculiar to scooter riders. Saw a bloke the size of a large wilderbeast riding a Harley Ultra down the esplanade/beach main drag at Paraparumu Beach. We had just stopped, parked our touring bikes and perched ourselves outside a cafe and were busy pulling off leggings, padded jackets etc and right by rides this guy....short pants, T-shirt, jandels..and a lid...:wacko:

See?
He was onto it - no faffing around taking off jacket, leggings etc - straight into the cafe for him! -first in line at the counter:woohoo:

[057rxz]

People don't give a second thought that their ankles and legs are important to their everyday life. Its a shame as its only when things are gone that we appreciate them.

Haha So true

[Maha]

I rode Annes bike at the weekend wearing shorts/shirt/cap and jandles...oh, and I had a female pillion that had not been on a bike in years.

[Berries]

I rode Annes bike at the weekend wearing shorts/shirt/cap and jandles...oh, and I had a female pillion that had not been on a bike in years.
That is a totally unacceptable sheer act of stupidity and the reason my ACC is so high. You should be ashamed of yourself and have your licence taken off you. And your first born.

[oneofsix]

That is a totally unacceptable sheer act of stupidity and the reason my ACC is so high. You should be ashamed of yourself and have your licence taken off you. And your first born.

Did he damage his feet? If not then it is not the reason your ACC is so high, it might be stupid. The reason your ACC is so high is due to Government lies and manipulations.

[willytheekid]

I wanna see the police directly target peddlys & scooters for once! (Sorry...run a "safety" campaign <_<)

We all see SOOOOO many scooters and peddlebike riders, either not wearing the gear or just riding like complete twats while making up there own version of the road rules....surely the police must notice these dangerous acts as well??...they could make a killing in revenue with a little effort (I mean "educate" so many)

(My personal dislike....failing to yeild at giveways!!!...they just shoot around the corner straight into flowing traffic with the ignorant mind set of "Im keeping left!...if they hit me...its THERE fault!" :facepalm:

And the lack of gear! :facepalm::angry2:...sometimes I just wanna park on there face while explaining the benefits of ATGATT :laugh: (but new meds have those "impulses" under control...for now!:shifty:)

[ducatilover]

I rode Annes bike at the weekend wearing shorts/shirt/cap and jandles...oh, and I had a female pillion that had not been on a bike in years.

Katman is going to fuck you up and make semi-sly comments about your intelligence.
You foolish, foolish man you. :angry2:


If you are so worried about people not wearing gear, just give 'em a quick scrub with a cheese grater. That'll fuck 'em.

[jrandom]

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[Katman]

Katman is going to fuck you up and make semi-sly comments about your intelligence.


You haven't been paying attention, have you?

[oneofsix]

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

So sad. :cry: Another one that thinks you are only there to make fun of, not to pay attention to. You must be doing something wrong. :gob:

[ducatilover]

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

Do I ever? ;)

[Maha]

That is a totally unacceptable sheer act of stupidity and the reason my ACC is so high. You should be ashamed of yourself and have your licence taken off you. And your first born.

By posting about my thoughtless shenanigans....I feel its the first step in over coming my recklessness and one step closer to becoming a better man...que Robbie Williams.

[Berries]

...sometimes I just wanna park on there face while explaining the benefits of ATGATT
Slightly at odds with your signature isn't it?


...que Robbie Williams.
Is that the guy running Moto NZ?

[Robert Taylor]

I was in my cage when I saw this girl on her scoot wearing not very long shorts,and only jandals,I was actually shocked. I would never get on any scooter or bike with Jandals,you could end up with mutilated legs/foot.


It was a 09 150cc Piaggio Fly,not a slow 50cc Scoot.

And there were many emotional posts on this site almost entirely blaming Nick Smith for the hike in ACC levies. We need to collectively get our own house in order otherwise there will be more enforced regulation..

[PCTC]

In regard to the wearing of jandles,I make myself unpopular when ever I see some young rider on a scooter with no gloves, I pull them over or yell out my van window ,and asked them what is going to hit the ground first if they come off.If mature riders dont wear the gear what mesage is that sending to our up and coming bikers

[Berries]

And there were many emotional posts on this site almost entirely blaming Nick Smith for the hike in ACC levies. We need to collectively get our own house in order otherwise there will be more enforced regulation..
It is not what you wear, it is how you ride. Seems fairly simple to me. Every single motorbike related ACC claim is due to crashing, not wearing jandals.



I make myself unpopular when ever I see some young rider on a scooter with no gloves, I pull them over or yell out my van window ,and asked them what is going to hit the ground first if they come off.
And with a helmet on they just think you are some kind of mental. Do you know that more van drivers are injured each year than scooter riders? Maybe they should be pulling you over for a chat instead.

[scumdog]

It is not what you wear, it is how you ride. Seems fairly simple to me. Every single motorbike related ACC claim is due to crashing, not wearing jandals.

So, lemme get this right: If somebody crashed, wearing jandals, there will be no ACC related claim???:crazy::blink::weird:

[mossy1200]

So, lemme get this right: If somebody crashed, wearing jandals, there will be no ACC related claim???:crazy::blink::weird:

No Berries is stating that if you cant guarentee 100% that you wont have a accident you shouldnt ride at all.

[Berries]

So, lemme get this right: If somebody crashed, wearing jandals, there will be no ACC related claim???:crazy::blink::weird:
Erm, no. If you crash while wearing jandals the ACC claim will more than likely be a lot higher than if you were wearing big stompie Alpinestars. My point was and is that it is the crash that causes the initial claim, your level of clothing may well determine the extent of the claim, and whether you will walk again when it comes to jandals, but first and foremost it is falling off or being knocked off. If you don't do either of those, which most riders don't, then I cannot see a problem with wearing whatever you want.

Serves you right if you come off and get skinned, but if you don't come off what has it got to do with anyone else? Nothing, if you ask me.


No Berries is stating that if you cant guarentee 100% that you wont have a accident you shouldnt ride at all.
Not quite. I just think that all the people who preach to others about what they wear are missing the point. If they are that concerned about how dangerous it is to be on two wheels maybe they should take the bus, because even with all the gear in the world on there are no guarantees. Yeah yeah, risk mitigation etc etc. The bus will still be safer.

[scumdog]

Not quite. I just think that all the people who preach to others about what they wear are missing the point. If they are that concerned about how dangerous it is to be on two wheels maybe they should take the bus, because even with all the gear in the world on there are no guarantees. Yeah yeah, risk mitigation etc etc. The bus will still be safer.

Dang right - and just how far is one expected to go in the 'ATGATT' scheme of things?? When do you reach the limit at either end of the spectrum?

[Katman]

If people put as much effort into riding in a manner that made crashing a far less likely outcome, as they do into preaching ATGATT, we'd be in a far better position.

[Berries]

When do you reach the limit at either end of the spectrum?
At one end of the spectrum it is when your moobs are flapping in the wind behind you.

[mossy1200]

If people put as much effort into riding in a manner that made crashing a far less likely outcome, as they do into preaching ATGATT, we'd be in a far better position.

Its likely that the people preaching are most often putting more effort into riding safely than the average rider.

[Kiwikeith]

Scooters + post modern smarty pants wankers + the 20 somthing fashionable office bimbos + high heals+silk skirts+ opeen face helmets+ no gloves+no jackets, plus kungfoo shoe, high heal waering+ no fucking idea.
These fuckwits are reason why I have to pay $600 ACC leveys PA. After the money and thought I put into my riding, its not fucking funny.

[Kickaha]

Scooters + post modern smarty pants wankers + the 20 somthing fashionable office bimbos + high heals+silk skirts+ opeen face helmets+ no gloves+no jackets, plus kungfoo shoe waering+ no fucking idea.
These fuckwits are reason why I pay $600 ACC leveys. joke all you want, you do ther math.....

Absolute fucking rubbish, they aren't costing you or anyone else shit unless they crash and no one has been able to back up any claims about that with any facts and figures that prove otherwise so if you can't you're talking just as much shit as everyone else who spouts that line

[Kiwikeith]

Absolute fucking rubbish, they aren't costing you or anyone else shit unless they crash and no one has been able to back up any claims about that with any facts and figures that prove otherwise so if you can't you're talking just as much shit as everyone else who spouts that line

prove otherwise (with metrics and fact)

keyboard hard man......

[Katman]

Scooters + post modern smarty pants wankers + the 20 somthing fashionable office bimbos + high heals+silk skirts+ opeen face helmets+ no gloves+no jackets, plus kungfoo shoe, high heal waering+ no fucking idea.
These fuckwits are reason why I have to pay $600 ACC leveys PA. After the money and thought I put into my riding, its not fucking funny.

I'd suggest that those treating the road as a racetrack are costing you far more than any scooter riding office bimbo.

[Kickaha]

prove otherwise (with metrics and fact)

keyboard hard man......
So what you're actually saying is you are unable to prove your claim that "These fuckwits are reason why I have to pay $600 ACC leveys PA" ?

I'd suggest that those treating the road as a racetrack are costing you far more than any scooter riding office bimbo.
Of course they are but every motorcycle riding dickhead wants someone else to blame

Even some of those that don't treat the road as a racetrack have cost shitloads as well

[Kiwikeith]

Ah fuck it...
Im too tired to debate it, I still have to pay reagardles.
Roll the dice & take your chances, town or countery, on whatever you ride and whatever you wear.
Im not your problem and your definatly not mine.

[ducatilover]

Ah fuck it...
Im too tired to debate it, I still have to pay reagardles.
Roll the dice & take your chances, town or countery, on whatever you ride and whatever you wear.
Im not your problem and your definatly not mine.

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[Kiwikeith]

Ah fuck it...
Im too tired to debate it, I still have to pay reagardles.
Roll the dice & take your chances, town or countery, on whatever you ride and whatever you wear.
Im not your problem and your definatly not mine.

[Berries]

Its likely that the people preaching are most often putting more effort into riding safely than the average rider.
Of course it could just as likely be the exact opposite, with those who know they are not as protected as they could be taking a little more care? Who knows.

It's a bit like the view that all the safety devices that cars have built in to them these days has led to drivers using up that additional degree of protection by driving less safely than they would have done if they were in an old Cortina. I reckon that if they made it compulsory to ride around naked the number of bike crashes would fall significantly.

[Woodman]

Haven't read the entire thread, but with more people getting scooters to save money or for easier commuting there will be more and more of these sorts of sights on our roads. They most probly aren't "motorcyclists" as we think of them rather the scooter is convenient and why would they go all ATTGATT when just popping down to the shop? I wouldn't, too much of a pain in the ass and what do you do with your gear when you get to the cafe, mall etc?

[oneofsix]

Of course it could just as likely be the exact opposite, with those who know they are not as protected as they could be taking a little more care? Who knows.

It's a bit like the view that all the safety devices that cars have built in to them these days has led to drivers using up that additional degree of protection by driving less safely than they would have done if they were in an old Cortina. I reckon that if they made it compulsory to ride around naked the number of bike crashes would fall significantly.

Whilst I agree with your comment about car drivers now being insulated from driving I don't think hypothermia is a viable alternative to ATGATT for motorcyclists although it would make catching speeders easier. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/6717884/Scantily-clad-speeder-suffers-hypothermia

[unstuck]

Frozen squid, the cops shoulda used him for burly.:shifty:

[Mushu]

Absolute fucking rubbish, they aren't costing you or anyone else shit unless they crash and no one has been able to back up any claims about that with any facts and figures that prove otherwise so if you can't you're talking just as much shit as everyone else who spouts that line

I've seen some pretty stupid things out there, but I agree ATGATT can be over the top sometimes.
I ride in normal pants and skate shoes quite often, but always wear gloves, helmet and jacket
And we all know that some chick that bought a step-thru for $500 or whatever won't go and spend triple that again on proper gear.
But you can't say these people aren't adding to the problem, ACC pays for injury recovery so more injuries means more money.

Anybody that has seen Twist of the Wrist 2, or read the book, will know about SRs and their effect which is basicly all your automatic reactions to danger are the wrong thing to do on a bike and I really think that I am alot safer as an inexperienced rider if I can have some trust in my gear

I think they should expand the law to cover gloves, helmet and closed in shoes as a minimum but to take it any further would be stupid.

There is the flip side of this arguement that an unprotected rider is more likely to die from a given accident (often made worse by the above mentioned SR phenomenon) and if they die they would cost ACC less, if anything at all.

And then there is the times when the bike/scooter isn't at fault, (I saw a BMW come damn close to wiping out some guy on an old UJM last night, cut him off, the guy on the bike locked up the back and stopped maybe an inch off hitting the BMW front right guard, I was behind the BMW in the que to get out of the carpark and saw the whole thing, the woman didn't see the guy on the bike untill he came to a full stop more or less right in front of her I saw her jump and brake violently then she just drove off like nothing had happened - needless to say I kept my distance after that) In a situation like this I would much prefer to be wearing all the gear but

But at the end of the day, without genuine statistics, we are all just guessing.
And people have the right to be stupid and I support that right, - Darwins theory in action

[Tunahunter]

I was in my cage when I saw this girl on her scoot wearing not very long shorts,and only jandals,I was actually shocked. I would never get on any scooter or bike with Jandals,you could end up with mutilated legs/foot.


It was a 09 150cc Piaggio Fly,not a slow 50cc Scoot.

Go to Rome or Barcelona mate - there's millions of 'em doing that.