Looking for a top IT role in Auckland? [Archive]

Tank

7th April 2010, 16:30

Hi - Im looking for a very solid IT person.

You will be the only person on site and will need a good range of skills:

I cannot list them at the moment - but most people in senior technical support roles will have the majority of them. I am working on a role spec.

The company is really good to work for and will treat you well. Its in a awesome central location also - you will get secure under cover parking for the bike as part of the package.

Now here is a kicker - I dont want a IT nerd - This person has to be management friendly - be able to represent IT as a 'go to' business line.

Yeah - I know its hard to get someone who is good both technically and Personally.

Salary of 80k - 120k is broad - but gives an indication of the quality of person I am looking for here.

If you are interested - please drop me a PM.

Lias

7th April 2010, 17:03

Now here is a kicker - I dont want a IT nerd - This person has to be management friendly - be able to represent IT as a 'go to' business line.

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

They dont exist.. People that are management friendly are at best half competetent. It's physically impossible to have your brain wired for logic (good IT techie) and wired for bullshit, lies, and shafting people (management)

The management friendly people at work are lazy, technically incompetent morons who get away shirking off and making everyone else work harder by virtue of being management friendly. Leading to bitterness and all the real talent walking out the door to someone more techie friendly.

Str8 Jacket

7th April 2010, 17:07

Lias

7th April 2010, 17:08

That was a failed interview sir.....

Its okay Hels the job was in Auckland.. wild horses etc etc ;-P

pzkpfw

7th April 2010, 17:11

They dont exist..

Bollocks.

Not that I can prove it on line, but I fit those requirements.

(Besides, Tank wrote "management friendly", which is not the same as "management" (and that's without getting into your stereotypes of what management is)).

What doesn't exist are people who fit those requirements who would want to live in Auckland...

Lias

7th April 2010, 17:13

Bollocks.

Not that I can prove it, but I fit those requirements.

What doesn't exist are people who fit those requirements who would want to live in Auckland...

I dunno.. The closest I've found is quiet hard workers who think techie and by virtue of being quiet and generally not making waves dont annoy management, but they sure dont think how management do (my definition ofmanagement friendly). Every so called techie i've ever met who thinks the same way management do is not a good techie.

Lias

7th April 2010, 17:14

That was a failed interview sir.....

Ooh ooh ooh I cannae resist it any more.. You could say my interview tanked..

Tank

7th April 2010, 17:14

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

They dont exist.. People that are management friendly are at best half competetent. It's physically impossible to have your brain wired for logic (good IT techie) and wired for bullshit, lies, and shafting people (management)

The management friendly people at work are lazy, technically incompetent morons who get away shirking off and making everyone else work harder by virtue of being management friendly. Leading to bitterness and all the real talent walking out the door to someone more techie friendly.

They exist - but small minded techies who think they know better on everything generally cant see past their own ego - forgetting that IT is more a business line than a pure technical role.

People like that never get that far in IT.

EDIT: And before we get into a pissing match - I have a job available - its a good one - with pretty good pay.

There is a recession on - and good jobs arnt flowing as well as they used to. People can either accept that Im putting this up in good faith trying to help someone - or they can go fuck themselves - I dont care.

Tank

7th April 2010, 17:18

Management friendly - as defined by me for this role - is that I can put them infront of the MD / CEO and they dont come across like a fuckwit and embarrass me.

Noting about sucking up, nothing about hiding behind reports - I mean being good at your job and being able to convince people to support the projects you will be running.

Headbanger

7th April 2010, 17:48

I hear DB is good with computers.

Tank

7th April 2010, 17:50

I hear DB is good with computers.

yeah - Interpersonal skills may be an issue!

Slyer

7th April 2010, 18:10

I've worked in a software support role for two year now. 3 man team.
The software I support is pretty deep practice management software, billing, stock, reporting, appointments, creditors, marketing blah and I have an decent-excellent knowledge of it all.

I do everything ranging from answering simple questions on the phone to fixing important data in client's databases. Special requests for data extraction, and mass changes at the data level.
I also do a bit of training, software upgrades for clients, bug testing too. Oh and I write documentation, manuals, release notes and a few sales newsletters.

40k a year. Am I getting shafted?

Tank

7th April 2010, 18:14

I've worked in a software support role for two year now. 3 man team.
The software I support is very deep practice management software, billing, stock, reporting, appointments, creditors blah and I have an excellent knowledge of it all.

I do everything ranging from answering simple questions on the phone to fixing important data in client's databases. Special requests for data extraction, and mass changes at the data level.
I also do a bit of training, software upgrades for clients, bug testing too. Oh and I write documentation, manuals, release notes and a few sales newsletters.

40k a year. Am I getting shafted?

I dont know the full specifics of your role etc - but I can say that I would expect that to be higher (that is a fairly entry level wage). Do you have specific database (SQL / Oracle) skills?

Slyer

7th April 2010, 18:25

I'm not complaining about that salary as I have 0 certifications and I'm pretty stoked to be employed with the amount of jobs going around.
Everything I know is self taught. I have basic SQL knowledge for queries etc.
Trying to decide where I should go next, thinking about self studying for an MCSE.

Ixion

7th April 2010, 18:44

40k a year. Am I getting shafted?

It sounds low. But do you actually understand the application , not just know how to use it. ie understand WHY it works the way it does?

I may also be out of touch with salary levels, because the 80k in the OP sounds very low for a "top" IT role in Auckland (Auckland and Wellington salary levels have traditionally been higher)

Oh, and IMHO, IT certificates other than equipment specific stuff are a waste of paper. The best techs are self taught.

Slyer

7th April 2010, 18:45

Thankfully my current boss agrees with you Ixion.
Yes but I need a bit of paper that shows that I'm not a doofus. Shows I know how to teach myself and have the skills necessary, not just about the knowledge.
I wasn't going to waste 3 years on a uni degree for the same thing.

Ronin

7th April 2010, 18:54

yeah - Interpersonal skills may be an issue!

I would have thought he would soon get the swing of it.

Mully

7th April 2010, 19:38

I think I've got the bloke for you, Tank-a-rama.

Check your PMs.....

Tank

7th April 2010, 20:08

I may also be out of touch with salary levels, because the 80k in the OP sounds very low for a "top" IT role in Auckland (Auckland and Wellington salary levels have traditionally been higher)

The range was 80 - 120k - and I was referring to a 'top role' doing senior support. Its not a "top" job as in CIO etc - I am aware that they get paid more.

Sorry for confusion.

Tank

19th April 2010, 15:37

Bald Eagle

19th April 2010, 15:39

Tank

19th April 2010, 15:46

Any chance of moving the position to Wellington, Kapiti Coast even would be better.

ahhhhh no.

EJK

19th April 2010, 15:53

Cool thread.

jim.cox

19th April 2010, 16:07

Im shocked - with all the IT experts who offer advise on here - I thought I would have received more PM.s I guess you are all on more than the 100k then..

It aint the money, Tank

We just dont want to be Dorklanders :)

Tank

19th April 2010, 16:34

We just dont want to be Dorklanders :)

but, but, but, ahhh fuck it - you might just have a point there.

mashman

19th April 2010, 18:15

I dunno.. The closest I've found is quiet hard workers who think techie and by virtue of being quiet and generally not making waves dont annoy management, but they sure dont think how management do (my definition ofmanagement friendly). Every so called techie i've ever met who thinks the same way management do is not a good techie.

I dunno, i've met a few that have been bloody good (can talk to management). Having said that though, it usually depends on the "management" you're dealing with. If you're management are not techie, but realise that the guy/gal in front of them is more than capable of handling the task and can demonstrate real business value, they'll let you loose. But it's exceptionally rare. The rest are just job protecting

You must have good clients Tank... am sure some one must be tempted by that. I know I would.

Slyer

19th April 2010, 18:30

I would be interested if I felt I was worthy.

EJK

19th April 2010, 19:45

I would be interested if I felt I was worthy.

Race ya to the top buddy ;-)

Slyer

19th April 2010, 20:30

No fair, Asians get +5 to computers at birth!

EJK

19th April 2010, 21:55

You already got a head start. Call it even Stephen.

scracha

19th April 2010, 23:22

It aint the money, Tank

We just dont want to be Dorklanders :)

Asides from the pay-cut, it sounds like it involves wearing a suit and getting up before 8am too.

jonbuoy

19th April 2010, 23:37

Now here is a kicker - I dont want a IT nerd - This person has to be management friendly - be able to represent IT as a 'go to' business line.

Maybe if you explained what the hell a "go to" business line was people might reply. Do they have to be fluent in corporate bullshit trendy tag lines?

Non corporate types please refer to:

http://www.corporatetrash.com/vomitList.cfm

scracha

20th April 2010, 05:58

Maybe if you explained what the hell a "go to" business line was people might reply.

Person the boss 'goes to' to get the pron off his laptop silly.

Seriously, good of Tank thinking about the multitude of KB geeks and were it not for the gurlie's horsey lifestyle out in the wop wops then I'd have put my hand up for it.

Tank

20th April 2010, 09:15

Maybe if you explained what the hell a "go to" business line was people might reply. Do they have to be fluent in corporate bullshit trendy tag lines?

Non corporate types please refer to:

http://www.corporatetrash.com/vomitList.cfm

If you have to ask - then you probably arn't smart enough for the job.

Posted on Seek - received plenty of replies, so Im guessing its just you. I was just trying to do a solid for some of the IT guys on here.

Mully

20th April 2010, 11:00

Posted on Seek - received plenty of replies, so Im guessing its just you. I was just trying to do a solid for some of the IT guys on here.

Gotta link (or a reference number)? Guy I know wanted more info before he contacted you

avgas

20th April 2010, 12:11

I am not really looking Tank, but I know where you coming from.
The lack of combination between skills is a killer with some people. I have been in IT/Engineering for about 5 years. It was only by chance that I took a management/relationship role with one of my previous employers. He took a gamble with me as he saw some natural instinct.
Now I am completing my MBA and finding I am near the top of my class - only because the room is full of morons and (I am not being racist here just stating facts) fresh immigrants. People seem to think that being a team leader at a call centre is management......its not. You have to have a broad range of skills to deal with different levels.
Likewise DITTO to all IT members who turn up to work in running shoes and t-shirt. How the hell are you going to be respected by management if you look like you spent all of last night playing WoW.

mashman

20th April 2010, 12:17

Likewise DITTO to all IT members who turn up to work in running shoes and t-shirt. How the hell are you going to be respected by management if you look like you spent all of last night playing WoW.

Heh, I resemble that remark... only last week the boss was stunned to see me looking respectable :yes:... but as you point out, it's all how THEY look at YOU, not what you're actually capable of. Just because people how they feel "comfortable", shouldn't detract from their abilities... It's an utterly incorrect assumption to make... yet the business world expect it????

Slyer

20th April 2010, 12:50

Nobody in my IT company dresses up unless we are seeing clients. Even boss wears Jandals...

avgas

20th April 2010, 12:53

Heh, I resemble that remark... only last week the boss was stunned to see me looking respectable :yes:... but as you point out, it's all how THEY look at YOU, not what you're actually capable of. Just because people how they feel "comfortable", shouldn't detract from their abilities... It's an utterly incorrect assumption to make... yet the business world expect it????
Yep perception is a mother fucker.
But alas if you know how to manipulate it a bit - certainly would be worth using to your advantage.
I found that coming to work in dress pants, dress shirt and dress shoes meant I could save 2 hours of my day. Those 2 hours were usually killed trying to 'convince' management I knew what I was talking about.

avgas

20th April 2010, 12:54

Nobody in my IT company dresses up unless we are seeing clients. Even boss wears Jandals...
Do you think that possibly salaries are set at the same levels???

Slyer

20th April 2010, 12:57

Well my boss owns the company he can do what he likes.

Tank

20th April 2010, 12:57

Heh, I resemble that remark... only last week the boss was stunned to see me looking respectable :yes:... but as you point out, it's all how THEY look at YOU, not what you're actually capable of. Just because people how they feel "comfortable", shouldn't detract from their abilities... It's an utterly incorrect assumption to make... yet the business world expect it????

Its more that generally that the 'nerds' dont know when t-shirts are OK and when they are not. At work we are 100% t-shirts, jeans / shorts. Unless we have a client coming in (couple of time a year) - then we are suits / ties. Sadly many IT people dont understand when its just not appropriate.

EJK

20th April 2010, 12:58

Do you think that possibly salaries are set at the same levels???

Some shirts are cheaper than two packs of ciggaretts but hey, lets not debate ;-)

mashman

20th April 2010, 15:13

Yep perception is a mother fucker.
But alas if you know how to manipulate it a bit - certainly would be worth using to your advantage.
I found that coming to work in dress pants, dress shirt and dress shoes meant I could save 2 hours of my day. Those 2 hours were usually killed trying to 'convince' management I knew what I was talking about.

heh, that's probably because they're critiquing your choice of clothing for the day and really not listening to you... :)

Its more that generally that the 'nerds' dont know when t-shirts are OK and when they are not. At work we are 100% t-shirts, jeans / shorts. Unless we have a client coming in (couple of time a year) - then we are suits / ties. Sadly many IT people dont understand when its just not appropriate.

That sounds like the usual... but you forgot about being on site UGH... Sadly most management can't get past the clothing that the person in front of them is wearing... as if that actually has any bearing AT ALL in regards to the capabilities of the provider... if that's the case i'd say everyone should dress in t's etc... (as those wearing the suits seem keep fucking things up :)...) First impressions count my arse... just because you dress smart and think that you are smart, doesn't mean that that is actually the case and if people are fooled by that fact, just because someone is wearing a suit, then they're out of their minds

TerminalAddict

20th April 2010, 15:37

Shame it is Auckland based ... can the commute be negotiated ? :)

Two days in Dorkland per week perhaps?

and giz the seek reference number etc please

edit: on the subject of dress code in the IT industry.
Here is me today: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/122207-Tequila-Tuesday
But I'm half way thru an MBA, and own a suit or two .. time and place I guess

Indiana_Jones

20th April 2010, 18:39

<img src="http://cdn.leasticoulddo.com/comics/20090625.gif">

-Indy

jonbuoy

20th April 2010, 20:06

If you have to ask - then you probably arn't smart enough for the job.

Posted on Seek - received plenty of replies, so Im guessing its just you. I was just trying to do a solid for some of the IT guys on here.

MMM well my boss seems to think I´m smart enough to pay me 50% more than your offering - I wouldn´t last long if I spun him bullshit.

Drunken Monkey

20th April 2010, 22:38

bump - Im shocked - with all the IT experts who offer advise on here - I thought I would have received more PM.s I guess you are all on more than the 100k then. :shrug:

Either way - advert goes out tomorrow - if any KB'ers are interested - drop me a PM.

Erm, no offense Tank but the job description doesn't tell us jack about the role except what it pays. Senior I.T. Technical Role doing????? What, a senior network engineer? A senior systems engineer? a senior software systems engineer? an seniorapplication specialist? a senior DBA? a senior printer technician (ffs)? Need I go on? I suppose you've ruled out B.A. / B.I., or is that what you're actually looking for?

Edit: PS for the record I just chucked in 12 years of network + systems engineering for a consultant/business intel role. Should have done it years ago.

Street Gerbil

21st April 2010, 00:56

Hi - Im looking for a very solid IT person.

Now here is a kicker - I dont want a IT nerd - This person has to be management friendly - be able to represent IT as a 'go to' business line.

Yeah - I know its hard to get someone who is good both technically and Personally.

If you are interested - please drop me a PM.
Sorry, dude, I know only one such person and he already works for me. ;-)

Gremlin

21st April 2010, 01:08

good onya for thinking of kb tank, more details may have helped people to know what you're after specifically or what the role entails. IT is a very large area :D

Imho, being able to explain a concept without technical jargon and providing an equivalent scenario is a whole lot harder

jonbuoy

21st April 2010, 02:29

Tank - I realise it was a bit harsh hassling you about the management talk - your intentions are obviously good - just annoys me when people accuse IT "Geeks" of not communicating or speaking in another language then start spinning off Ricky Gervais Office management school lines.

Grasshopperus

21st April 2010, 15:15

Imho, being able to explain a concept without technical jargon and providing an equivalent scenario is a whole lot harder

Maybe by using a car analogy? (or m'bike on this forum eh)

avgas

21st April 2010, 16:00

Some shirts are cheaper than two packs of ciggaretts but hey, lets not debate ;-)
Very true - but I have no idea what my boss would think of me if I wore 2 packs of cigarettes to work.
I should try it one day.
Could call it the Marlboro Cup

avgas

21st April 2010, 16:09

Its more that generally that the 'nerds' dont know when t-shirts are OK and when they are not. At work we are 100% t-shirts, jeans / shorts. Unless we have a client coming in (couple of time a year) - then we are suits / ties. Sadly many IT people dont understand when its just not appropriate.
Haha that sounds sweet. I wish I had that luxury now.
Everyday is like "Supprise customer visit day".
So I pretty much wear formal, cept for friday. Friday is TFIF - And I just have to come to work in clean, tidy clothes. I am no kidding you - it states that in my contract.
So I wear my ACC Protest T and some Jeans then.
Out of intrest how many 'ex-forces' guys go to work messy lookin? As previous experience tells me they either are completely slobs when it comes to attire, or formal 24-7.......... however this is just what past experience has told me. Happy to have this perception shattered.

avgas

21st April 2010, 16:10

avgas

21st April 2010, 16:18

heh, that's probably because they're critiquing your choice of clothing for the day and really not listening to you... :)
Most likely (with the exception of a few of the management who head hunted me), but if they sign off on my projects I can't really care less.
However I can tell you from experience that when the threat of losing 4 million people power due to your fuck up. Its always good to be wearing a suit. If not to convince management that you did the right thing........at least your already dressed for you coffin.
Lord knows what my parents would think if I was laid to rest in a combination of Nike, Draggin Jeans and a Tool T-shirt. I suspect they would have thought that my stories about work were lies, and I had a drug addiction.

EJK

21st April 2010, 17:10

I feel that Tank will no longer post any positions avaliable for the KB community first before seek.co.nz. Sucks for those genuine inquiries.
So much for saying "Your offer sucks, I get paid more" or "I got the man, not you. Sucks to be you" or "Person you're after don't exist!" or "I know IT and has experience and I think you don't"

So professionals.

Mully

21st April 2010, 22:06

I feel that Tank will no longer post any positions avaliable for the KB community first before seek.co.nz..

Mmm, there's a few people on here who used to do favours for people on here and got sick of being shit on so have stopped.

Tis a shame.

Anyway Tank, have you got the Seek reference number please?

Usarka

22nd April 2010, 08:31

Heh, I resemble that remark... only last week the boss was stunned to see me looking respectable :yes:... but as you point out, it's all how THEY look at YOU, not what you're actually capable of. Just because people how they feel "comfortable", shouldn't detract from their abilities... It's an utterly incorrect assumption to make... yet the business world expect it????

It's called having social skills.

Would get a mortgage from a guy in a track suit?

The IT geek stereotype exists for a reason - go and sit in a wardrobe and stay the f*** away from customers!

mashman

22nd April 2010, 09:08

It's called having social skills.

Would get a mortgage from a guy in a track suit?

The IT geek stereotype exists for a reason - go and sit in a wardrobe and stay the f*** away from customers!

I would argue that IT geeks are more than social... granted you may need to learn Klingon, would rather that than have management gauge the capabilities of a person based on what they wear... plus management should know that closet boy needs a talking to before he opens his mouth in front of the clients... I got a mortgage in shorts and a t-shirt... I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place, I just think it's a very outdated way of quantifying "how competent" someone is or could be at their job...

Watched the news last night and some "style guru" was prattling on about how Labour need to revamp their image in order to poll better... WTF they're shit politicians for christ sake... if a suit and a smile is all it takes to win votes and instill confidence in the electorate, then the people of this country need a serious slap across the face. It's like having a Ferarri in your garage without an engine, looks good, but does fuck else.

Tank

22nd April 2010, 09:30

Gotta link (or a reference number)? Guy I know wanted more info before he contacted you

PM sent with link

would rather that than have management gauge the capabilities of a person based on what they wear...

Of course not. But unlike geeks who think their 'mad IT skillz' are enough - we are smart enough to look at the entire person. There is more to a role than 'just' the geek park. Before you make comments about working with geeks etc - my 'real' job is in software development - we are a very technical house and have teams leaving our office and working in Redmond with Microsoft several times a year. And we have a very casual dress code - in fact Im in shorts today (man - I got good looking legs).

plus management should know that closet boy needs a talking to before he opens his mouth in front of the clients...

See - thats where you are wrong - we want to hire people that are smart enough that they dont need hand holding before talking to people. Its called hiring well rounded, professional people. One might be technically strong, but in todays market roles like only require a back room techie are getting less and less.

I got a mortgage in shorts and a t-shirt... I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place, I just think it's a very outdated way of quantifying "how competent" someone is or could be at their job...

Actually it does give an indication of competence - if they are unable to dress 'appropriately' for the situation (what ever that situation is) then they do have a bit of a problem. Yeah - I know its complying with 'da man' - but Im sure you shouldn't turn up at your sisters / daughters wedding with a "I fucked the bride t-shirt" - most likely you would wear what 'they' deemed appropriate for their wedding / environment.

Watched the news last night and some "style guru" was prattling on about how Labour need to revamp their image in order to poll better...

They need so much more than that.

Fatjim

22nd April 2010, 09:35

yeah - Interpersonal skills may be an issue!

He's great with kids, but you can get away with a lot if you give them icecream.

Same goes for Managers too.

Fatjim

22nd April 2010, 09:36

mashman

22nd April 2010, 10:51

and all he said

I'm only "arguing" in regards to being suited. My quirk, as I see it as fundamentally unnecessary... and yes I get suited up when the need arises... You don't seem like the type of guy to hire anyone in a half arsed fashion :shifty:... I understand the type of candidate you're looking for... i was just blah blahing as per on social convention :) am sure you'll get your man/gal. Leg piccies or it's just hot air :shifty:

avgas

22nd April 2010, 11:05

Turning into an interesting conversation.
To change peoples perception about me - growing up on the end of a shovel I did not have any formal clothes until I left home. Even when I picked up my Scholarship at 7th prize giving I did so in short sleave semi-formal shirt and Jeans.
I have never worn a proper tie in my life. But have found advantages in dressing 'tidy' for work.
Even my wedding I was wearing a suit.....but no tie.

Should I learn how to wear a tie. Or are tie's very 1970's?
Do you trust and I.T. professional with a Tie? Or do you think him a scam artist?

Gubb

22nd April 2010, 11:19

I'd love to apply for the role, but I suspect my grasp of next to nothing IT skills may be an issue.

You need a Bouncer?

Mully

22nd April 2010, 11:19

Should I learn how to wear a tie. Or are tie's very 1970's?

Learn how to tie a Windsor knot.
Invest in one or two very nice shirts and a couple of nice ties.

Use as required. Not always for work.

Drunken Monkey

22nd April 2010, 11:32

Do you trust and I.T. professional with a Tie? Or do you think him a scam artist?

Well again, it's that whole lumping of all I.T. professionals into one group (this is now starting to become a pet hate of mine). It's like lumping all scientists together as one profession then talking about suitable clothing. What's going to work for a genetic research scientist in a lab is not going to work for someone working on carbon nano-tubes or measuring the distribution of cockle shells within the Whangateau harbour (a personal favourite of mine).

So yeah, you probably need to look slick if you're selling consulting to a big four firm. You'll look like a twat if you rock on up to someone's house to install some RAM in your suit though.

Only now do we hear that it's a software house. The thread is full of off-hand comments from (obvious) network/system engineers. I can understand why he (Tank) got annoyed with the off-track responses, but I stand by my first comment. If the job description was written more concisely to correctly identify the actual technical field that was being sought, then perhaps this thread would have stayed on track. And to continue to stat the obvious, this is simply due to lack of clear communication - the one thing that was supposed to rule out poor candidates.

avgas

22nd April 2010, 11:43

Haha DM so true. But alas that is business.
Also true about the lumping into 1 category thing. But lets just simplify by saying I already talk to the big-un's as I am and I am wondering if the tie is worth my while sub-CEO level.
For the interest - whenever I see a young engineer, with tie.......trying to tell me what to do. I instantly think "Know nothing consultant". Which is probably a bad perception 30% of the time......but then again 70% I am right.
Which is sad really.
But say you were the head of IT for a company pulling 20+ Million in sales a year. Tie?

Tank

22nd April 2010, 12:18

Only now do we hear that it's a software house. The thread is full of off-hand comments from (obvious) network/system engineers. I can understand why he (Tank) got annoyed with the off-track responses, but I stand by my first comment. If the job description was written more concisely to correctly identify the actual technical field that was being sought, then perhaps this thread would have stayed on track. And to continue to stat the obvious, this is simply due to lack of clear communication - the one thing that was supposed to rule out poor candidates.

No - I work for a software house - this role is not. I also do some consulting for other companies (generally at board level) also. This is one of the positions I had for one of them.

I have a job description that is complete - It wasn't when i popped this up - but I made that very clear and simply asked people to PM me if they were interested. I now have all the specs together - along with kpi's that the person will be measured against etc.

Upshot - I dont really care. I have positions come up from time to time. Generally they are very technically specific - and I wouldn't waste time mentioning it on here. But this being more of a generalist role - I thought a couple may be interested / capable. A couple were and I have received their CVs.

Meh! Its a competitive market out there. I have had well in excess of 100 replies as of this morning (and not one asking to were a t-shirt) - I was simply trying to give a fellow KB'er a fighting chance.

Not really worth the effort is it.

mashman

22nd April 2010, 12:36

But say you were the head of IT for a company pulling 20+ Million in sales a year. Tie?

Get a clip-on tie :niceone:

mashman

22nd April 2010, 12:39

Not really worth the effort is it.

Of course it is, ya never know where the best person for the job will come from. Happy happy interview time now... now on to more important things... got a pub sorted out for interviews yet?

Tank

22nd April 2010, 12:43

Get a clip-on tie :niceone:

oh - I though your said strap-on

Of course it is, ya never know where the best person for the job will come from. Happy happy interview time now... now on to more important things... got a pub sorted out for interviews yet?

Has in-house bar.

mashman

22nd April 2010, 13:14

Has in-house bar.

I may have been somewhat quick of the mark to have dismissed the position you have available... where can I send my CV, and is there wireless connectivity in the bar :)

magicfairy

22nd April 2010, 13:49

Trying to decide where I should go next, thinking about self studying for an MCSE.

MCSE is not a current certification. All the Server 2008 / vista /win7 /other products certificaions are MCTS (Technology specialist - 1 exam) and MCITP (It professional - a few exams) e.g you can be mcts on Windows 7, or Server 2008 Active Directory, or Server 2008 Networking.

Microsoft announced some time ago that no one could be a generalist anymore (and "Engineer" was not theirs to use in the US) so now the certfications are focused on knowing about particular products. Which is not always the case in New Zealand but is in the US. I teach a number of these coures and hold these certs, have been an MCSE since 1995.
Look into getting MCTS in some products instead if you are starting out.

Slyer

22nd April 2010, 13:58

MCSE is not a current certification. All the Server 2008 / vista /win7 /other products certificaions are MCTS (Technology specialist - 1 exam) and MCITP (It professional - a few exams) e.g you can be mcts on Windows 7, or Server 2008 Active Directory, or Server 2008 Networking.

Microsoft announced some time ago that no one could be a generalist anymore (and "Engineer" was not theirs to use in the US) so now the certfications are focused on knowing about particular products. Which is not always the case in New Zealand but is in the US. I teach a number of these coures and hold these certs, have been an MCSE since 1995.
Look into getting MCTS in some products instead if you are starting out.
Yeah they make it as difficult as possible to understand what their qualifications are actually for. Probably look at a qualification for using 2K8 etc etc.
Will cross that bridge when I come to it.

Zerker

22nd April 2010, 14:26

Learn to tie a Half Windsor, so much easier
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-tie-a-tie-half-windsor-knot

I forgot how to tie it properly, and got into the bad habit of tying a quarter Windsor (yeah I made that up), I also do it backwards. cant tell the difference though, I can have a tie on straight and perfect in under 20secs without a mirror.

when I was working in an office it was business casual, so I was always in dress pants and long sleeved dress shirt, chuck a tie on and I'm ready to deal with corporate types, without feeling under-dressed.
you don't always have to suit up but that one piece of clothing can make a world of difference in the first impression, especially when clients rock up on casual Friday.

Drunken Monkey

22nd April 2010, 20:36

No - I work for a software house - this role is not. I also do some consulting for other companies (generally at board level) also. This is one of the positions I had for one of them.

I have a job description that is complete - It wasn't when i popped this up - but I made that very clear and simply asked people to PM me if they were interested. I now have all the specs together - along with kpi's that the person will be measured against etc.

Upshot - I dont really care. I have positions come up from time to time. Generally they are very technically specific - and I wouldn't waste time mentioning it on here. But this being more of a generalist role - I thought a couple may be interested / capable. A couple were and I have received their CVs.

Meh! Its a competitive market out there. I have had well in excess of 100 replies as of this morning (and not one asking to were a t-shirt) - I was simply trying to give a fellow KB'er a fighting chance.

Not really worth the effort is it.

No, I suppose not. You were only trying to give people an edge, I was just observing that the mess that ensued after you started the thread was always going to be a logical conclusion (a reflection on the behaviour of members). Be that as it may, if this was posted 2 months ago it may or may not have been exactly the kind of thing I was looking for and for the sake of 2 more words it could have been specific enough to keep interested people on topic and irrelevant people out. In the end, as you've pointed out, there is no shortage of applicants, and the loss is Kiwibiker's, not yours.

avgas

23rd April 2010, 16:09

Yeah they make it as difficult as possible to understand what their qualifications are actually for. Probably look at a qualification for using 2K8 etc etc.
Will cross that bridge when I come to it.
I also recommend that you get your ITIL cert. Doesn't take much - but is pretty much an international shoe-in for a lot jobs.

Bald Eagle

23rd April 2010, 16:24

MCSE is not a current certification. All the Server 2008 / vista /win7 /other products certificaions are MCTS (Technology specialist - 1 exam) and MCITP (It professional - a few exams) e.g you can be mcts on Windows 7, or Server 2008 Active Directory, or Server 2008 Networking.

Microsoft announced some time ago that no one could be a generalist anymore (and "Engineer" was not theirs to use in the US) so now the certfications are focused on knowing about particular products. Which is not always the case in New Zealand but is in the US. I teach a number of these coures and hold these certs, have been an MCSE since 1995.
Look into getting MCTS in some products instead if you are starting out.

As well as the bits of paper it would be kinda handy if you had some real ability to do work :lol: