Rules and regs

[lostinflyz]

Just been having a browse around online at a few things and i stumbled across the Thundersports GB website and there class rules.

I've got to say that they are soooo much easier than anything i have ever seen. most of the classes have only 1 page of rules and there seems to be a wide array of options within most classes with everything defined by a power restriction (as measured on a nominated dyno) and by weight.

Can anyone tell me why we couldn't run our classes this way (esp something like f3, streetstock, ect)??? It would drop costs, and eliminate cheating (for the most part), and those seem to be the biggest plagues on our sport.

http://www.thundersportgb.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=905&Itemid=99

[budda]

Believe me, you are not the only one looking ........ Dropping costs is a bit of a stretch though !!!!!!!!!

[lostinflyz]

cool, i'm sure you've got plans and ideas.

Well i figure if your limited on weight, and your limited on power, then there is a fixed cost to acheive those numbers. If those numbers are at a lower cost than our current format then technically you reduce costs.

Ok so its maybe not reducing cost, but it allows you to set a figure that gets you in the game, on competitive machinery, and people can understand what it will take.

[Ozzy27]

Just been having a browse around online at a few things and i stumbled across the Thundersports GB website and there class rules.
with everything defined by a power restriction (as measured on a nominated dyno) and by weight.

Can anyone tell me why we couldn't run our classes this way (esp something like f3, streetstock, ect)??? It would drop costs, and eliminate cheating (for the most part), and those seem to be the biggest plagues on our sport.

http://www.thundersportgb.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=905&Itemid=99

This is a good way of controling things but who is going to pay the $1000 (min) per weekend to get a dyno and operator to the track?? Currently we have trouble getting someone to check if a bike has an air filter fitted or the tyre marked at the end of a race!! So you can make up what ever rules you like but if they are not going to be enforced it is all a great waste of time and energy!!:blink:

[budda]

EXACTLY ............ cant even get competitors to START at the same damn time, let alone all prep their bikes to the same standard. Cant even get some of you to comply with bloody NOISE standards, to ensure we all get to continue riding. Happy to pay the same sort of money to ensure compliance? Just dont grizzle when its "your" turn to be arsed out ( not you Chris, thats a metaphorical "your" ! )

[Billy]

EXACTLY ............ cant even get competitors to START at the same damn time, let alone all prep their bikes to the same standard. Cant even get some of you to comply with bloody NOISE standards, to ensure we all get to continue riding. Happy to pay the same sort of money to ensure compliance? Just dont grizzle when its "your" turn to be arsed out ( not you Chris, thats a metaphorical "your" ! )

Cheeky Farker!!When they do all start at the same time,You forget when too stop them.Bwahahahaha

[budda]

Cheeky Farker!!When they do all start at the same time,You forget when too stop them.Bwahahahaha

Never leave a dumbarse in charge of flags !!!!!!!!!!!

[SWERVE]

Cheeky Farker!!When they do all start at the same time,You forget when too stop them.Bwahahahaha

LMHO Priceless .........Billy
That ones gonna haut you for along time Budda

[lostinflyz]

This is a good way of controling things but who is going to pay the $1000 (min) per weekend to get a dyno and operator to the track?? Currently we have trouble getting someone to check if a bike has an air filter fitted or the tyre marked at the end of a race!! So you can make up what ever rules you like but if they are not going to be enforced it is all a great waste of time and energy!!:blink:

doesn't have to be there every weekend. but at any time the scales or a dyno could pop out the shed/be waiting for you. get caught, lose all your series points.

[budda]

doesn't have to be there every weekend. but at any time the scales or a dyno could pop out the shed/be waiting for you. get caught, lose all your series points.

Interesting - so you're happy enough if a machine says you're cheating ..... we already have rules and regs ( in some cases shitloads of 'em ) , simply need to apply them

[lostinflyz]

it doesn't matter what or who says your cheating, its whatever the rules say.

........and whatever else you can get away with

[fossil]

EXACTLY ............ cant even get competitors to START at the same damn time, let alone all prep their bikes to the same standard. Cant even get some of you to comply with bloody NOISE standards, to ensure we all get to continue riding. Happy to pay the same sort of money to ensure compliance? Just dont grizzle when its "your" turn to be arsed out ( not you Chris, thats a metaphorical "your" ! )

If you are going to be writing new rules and want them unambiguous you should ask the biggest rule "stretchers" to be involved. In a previous life I was asked by a national body to contribute to the rules for a "standard production class". There weren't any grey areas left open to interpretation .

[SWERVE]

ignore this post computa malfunction..........(must think its a sidecar)

[lostinflyz]

if you cant test a bike on the spot (i.e. dyno and weight or similar) then you need to pay someone to sit there at the end of meetings and strip down a whole lot of bikes really. and even then they need to really know what they are doing, and probably get a bit lucky, and even then theres still plenty you can hide in plain site.

[SWERVE]

I think the main problem with rules i NZ is the rule-makers trying to please everybody(impssible) and trying to up numbers by making everything affordable to all.
Motorsport is expensive........ (there are plenty more hobbies that aren,t) If the class is run at national level then the rules for that class should be the same throughout the season and should share parity with equivilent classes in Aussie if they are raced in both countries (allowing both to race in each country without fear of cheating or being under-powered)
Nothing wrong with country area specific rules for non national classes as this is what provides the feeder for the pro-classes.
Tighter and more specific rules just means you have do be more "devious" and think even further outside the square.
my 2 cents.

[koba]

we already have rules and regs ( in some cases shitloads of 'em ) , simply need to apply them

It would certainly be nice, I've raced in SS150 for a while now, I've never seen a bike checked once.
I hear that it used to happen in the Tim Gibbes days of the class.

One difficulty I have noticed though is; (I think) we have a relativley small sport with a high participation rate in a small country. Kind of makes conflict of interest kind of scenarios pop up a fair bit...

I guess getting the skilled volunteers required who still have enough spare time and patience to undertake such a task is quite a problem.

[wharfy]

I guess getting the skilled volunteers required who still have enough spare time and patience to undertake such a task is quite a problem.

Indeed it is........