Will NZ open doors to SAFAS?

[mashman]

Been hearing a lot lately about some form of unrest in SA. Bad enough for Oz to say that there doors are shut to those that wouldn't otherwise be granted access after going through the immigration process... where does that leave those that can't get out? Apparantly my wifes, friends parents are currently locked inside their house... something they haven't done in a VERY long time.

So would you open your doors to those that Oz turns away?

[Ronin]

If they don't meet entry requirements then no. Why should we?

[mashman]

If they don't meet entry requirements then no. Why should we?

Because they stand a good chance of having their families raped in front of them before being killed. But true... they would come over here and take up space on the DPB because there's no jobs... and we all hate those people right? All of the money that we have sent to Africa over the decades, really hasn't done a single fuckin thing other than make some people rich... I feel utterly ashamed of what we could do, but DON'T, because it takes too much MONEY.

[Ronin]

There are people here who stand a good chance of being raped in front of their family's. Shall we also import some of the hundreds of thousands of family's who live with the constant threat of violence in the states? They are worse off poverty wise. Did we smuggle black family's out from SA when they were being persecuted by the government of the time?

Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for them and if they meet the requirements to get here then go for it. If they are true political refugees then it is different.

[Usarka]

It's different if the persecuted are white.... (apparently)

[mashman]

I know what you're saying, as that really is the only sensible avenue open to "us". But you have to question why it's happening in the first place. Well you don't, but when will enough be enough? You're right, it happens all over the world and that is tremendously alarming... isn't it?... Is it really outwith our power to do anything about it? If so then why? If not then why haven't the world done anything about it in 2010? It's not like we haven't been "civilised" for long.

[mashman]

It's different if the persecuted are white.... (apparently)

Ya think when the "white" people have gone that it'll all just stop?

[Jonno.]

If Oz says no why do we have to say yes? What about every other first world country in the world?

[steve_t]

Does Oz have any say with regards to our immigration policies? I've known of a few people who have immigrated to NZ so they can go to Oz later since Oz didn't let them in directly

[CookMySock]

It's not your problem. Turn the tv off and go back to your own shiny happy life, and stop watching that crap - it will just poison you. If they want to do something about their problem then they should put their thinking cap on and do so.

Steve

[Coldrider]

where did you come from mashman?

[mashman]

where did you come from mashman?

Other than "ahhhh ahhhh get the fucking thing out of my cunt quickly"?

[BMWST?]

I know what you're saying, as that really is the only sensible avenue open to "us". But you have to question why it's happening in the first place. Well you don't, but when will enough be enough? You're right, it happens all over the world and that is tremendously alarming... isn't it?... Is it really outwith our power to do anything about it? If so then why? If not then why haven't the world done anything about it in 2010? It's not like we haven't been "civilised" for long.
I dont know why they cant stop this bullshit themselves.we can provide aid but the violence has to stop from within.And of course that applies to many many countries.

[Swoop]

What about every other first world country in the world?
I hope you are not attempting to put NZ into the "1st World" category. Please have more respect for our 3rd world Banana Republic.

Does Oz have any say with regards to our immigration policies? I've known of a few people who have immigrated to NZ so they can go to Oz later since Oz didn't let them in directly
Many people arrive here as a second choice. They then spend the time getting the citizenship and then straight off to Oz. Perhaps another part of the political reason behind the scenes for "NZ becoming a state of Australia"?

[CookMySock]

I dont know why they cant stop this bullshit themselves.we can provide aid but the violence has to stop from within.And of course that applies to many many countries.They can't stop it because they haven't hit rock bottom yet, and that's why we shouldn't intervene.

Steve

[Bender]

If they are all like my safa next door neighbour they can bloody stay where they are. Pity there is no score on the immigration form for "complete and utter wanker."

[LBD]

Genuine refugees aside.... we did not open our doors to black or coloured Saffas when they were opressed, why should we now for the white Saffas. The mess they are in, is a large part, their own making. although I do sympathize with all persicuted unfairly.

Over the years I have met enough Saffas in NZ to know they bring unwanted baggage in the form of predjudices...."We do not want to live in that part of the country because maori (Coloured) live there" NZ has its own fare share of racial tension, we do not need to import any more separitist attitudes into that mix.

[JimO]

Genuine refugees aside.... we did not open our doors to black or coloured Saffas when they were opressed, why should we now for the white Saffas. The mess they are in, is a large part, their own making. although I do sympathize with all persicuted unfairly.

Over the years I have met enough Saffas in NZ to know they bring unwanted baggage in the form of predjudices...."We do not want to live in that part of the country because maori (Coloured) live there" NZ has its own fare share of racial tension, we do not need to import any more separitist attitudes into that mix.

im with them, i dont want to live near fucken maori either.....good job there is fuck all of them in dunedin

[Usarka]

I've never met a nice south african.

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[mashman]

I dont know why they cant stop this bullshit themselves.we can provide aid but the violence has to stop from within.And of course that applies to many many countries.

So why don't all of these civilised countries just sort these issues out? what's stopping them? if it were within your power to stop it, wouldn't you?

[Coldrider]

So why don't all of these civilised countries just sort these issues out? what's stopping them? if it were within your power to stop it, wouldn't you?are you concerned that more immigrants are going to further erode status in NZ?

[mashman]

Genuine refugees aside.... we did not open our doors to black or coloured Saffas when they were opressed, why should we now for the white Saffas. The mess they are in, is a large part, their own making. although I do sympathize with all persicuted unfairly.

Over the years I have met enough Saffas in NZ to know they bring unwanted baggage in the form of predjudices...."We do not want to live in that part of the country because maori (Coloured) live there" NZ has its own fare share of racial tension, we do not need to import any more separitist attitudes into that mix.

but let's be fair it's not all one sided... some SAFAS are decent. some ain't so. couldn't you say the same thing about NZ'ers, yanks, the french, bob the builder, english, some robot called S.P.B.? spanish, the french heh...

Either way. Why would you not accept these people into your community?

[mashman]

are you concerned that more immigrants are going to further erode status in NZ?

Not my worry. The government can deal with that. So No.

[LBD]

but let's be fair it's not all one sided... some SAFAS are decent. some ain't so. couldn't you say the same thing about NZ'ers,

Agreed that it is not all one sided and yes some Saffas are decent...I work with ten saffas and socialize with them and their wives....on those rare occasions when they mix outside their cliquey wee group.... They tend to keep to them selves to the exclusion of all others in a very rude and obnoxious way....that is not a social trend I want to see develop in NZ

yes people in NZ are bad enough....JimO's ignorant attitude as he posted above is a prime example of a separatist attitude that is bad enough in NZ today with out adding to the mix with those whose entire culture thinking and way of life is formed around those principals

[sinned]

Does Oz have any say with regards to our immigration policies? I've known of a few people who have immigrated to NZ so they can go to Oz later since Oz didn't let them in directly


I hope you are not attempting to put NZ into the "1st World" category. Please have more respect for our 3rd world Banana Republic.

Many people arrive here as a second choice. They then spend the time getting the citizenship and then straight off to Oz. Perhaps another part of the political reason behind the scenes for "NZ becoming a state of Australia"?

It is just a matter of time until for those reasons Australia closes its border to NZ citizens.

[mashman]

Agreed that it is not all one sided and yes some Saffas are decent...I work with ten saffas and socialize with them and their wives....on those rare occasions when they mix outside their cliquey wee group.... They tend to keep to them selves to the exclusion of all others in a very rude and obnoxious way....that is not a social trend I want to see develop in NZ

yes people in NZ are bad enough....JimO's ignorant attitude as he posted above is a prime example of a separatist attitude that is bad enough in NZ today with out adding to the mix with those whose entire culture thinking and way of life is formed around those principals

You can maybe understand why they stick together though. They can come from gated communities, bars on the windows, armed guards at the gate, thick heavy gates between the living areas and the bedrooms, armoured cars, bodu guards etc... it hardly screams I'm welcoming people into my home... but how can it in that environment... it could be that they only trust "their own", bit like the Indians, Chinese, Italians, Maori, Brit etc... dunno... but I know what you mean about the cliqueeness. Although from what i've seen, the few i've known over the last 2 years or so have settled quite nicely into to a freer, more relaxed way of life...

[Mully]

Wait, are the Safas needing a place to go good at sport?

Cos Irene van Dyke was a godsend. Does Brian Habana need a place to go?

[MisterD]

Been hearing a lot lately about some form of unrest in SA.

By way of some insight mawm (http://middle-agedwhitemale.blogspot.com/2010/04/killing-of-eugene-terreblanche.html) blogs on a press release from the South African Institute of Race Relations.



Racial tensions in the country appear to have increased significantly in recent weeks. This appears to be chiefly as a result of incitement by the ruling African National Congress to ‘shoot and kill’ the Afrikaner ethnic minority in the country. The anxiety around this incitement may well have influenced opinions across the broader white community. What appears to be the case is that much of the racial rapprochement that characterised the first 15 years of South Africa’s democracy is being undone. This rapprochement saw both black and white South Africans come to occupy a middle ground on race relations upon which the maintenance of future stable race relations depends.

Since 1994 the number of white farmers and their families murdered in South Africa is conservatively put at around 1 000. It may very well be much higher. There are currently an estimated 40 000 commercial farmers in the country. Over this same period in the region 250 000 South Africans out of a total current population of approximately 47 million have been murdered. Criminal violence can therefore be described as ‘rampant’ and has done considerable damage to the social fabric of the country. However, this is not to say that all murders in the country are a function of simple criminal banditry. In an environment where law and order has largely collapsed the consequences of incitement by political leaders to commit murder must be taken seriously.

This Telegraph article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/7575708/South-Africa-a-separate-homeland-for-Afrikaners.html) is also interesting, and I'm not sure I'd want too many of its subjects imported...

[The Pastor]

all saffeys are racist and shouldnt be allowed into our country! We have far to many foreigners!

[MisterD]

We have far to many foreigners!

Yeah, you can't move for f-ing poms everywhere...

[Urano]

mmhhh...
not sure to have understood.... "safas" ??? who are them? the south africans whites, did i get right?
i've heard there are big problems with black making violence to have farms and whites continuing with apartheid conceptions...
i don't have enough informations to understand who's right, but at the moment i'm not so interested, more focused on problems nearer to my life....
what i can say is that it was a pity not being able to use the end of a bad story to build up a new way of living togheter, but probably i'm just too idealistic.

but the question is: why should this concern to nz? it does not concern to italy neither, so why you?




I hope you are not attempting to put NZ into the "1st World" category. Please have more respect for our 3rd world Banana Republic.
woaaa, hold your words. "banana republics society" has recently been closed to new admittance: italy has taken all the places available...


Many people arrive here as a second choice. They then spend the time getting the citizenship and then straight off to Oz. Perhaps another part of the political reason behind the scenes for "NZ becoming a state of Australia"?
what? this is funny... there are people coming there and then going to australia takin advantage of your travel agreements? what a stupid thing to do...
australia... bah... what a common place...

[oldrider]

im with them, i dont want to live near fucken maori either.....good job there is fuck all of them in dunedin

Have you ever wandered through the "student" area streets of Dunedin lately?

They are a fucking disgrace and some wonder what's wrong with our leaders who come through this squalor!

They are nothing more than a mob of pigs IMHO! Third world here we come! :sick:

[mashman]

mmhhh...
not sure to have understood.... "safas" ??? who are them? the south africans whites, did i get right?
i've heard there are big problems with black making violence to have farms and whites continuing with apartheid conceptions...
i don't have enough informations to understand who's right, but at the moment i'm not so interested, more focused on problems nearer to my life....
what i can say is that it was a pity not being able to use the end of a bad story to build up a new way of living togheter, but probably i'm just too idealistic.

but the question is: why should this concern to nz? it does not concern to italy neither, so why you?


For me SAFAS are all South Africans... there may well be a different meaning, but that's my understanding.

As mentioned elsewhere, it should concern the world as a whole... The famines and warms have been going for as long as I can remember and noone has done a damn thing about it other than throw aid and money at the country... The money and aid doesn't seem to have made a blind bit of difference in the 3 decades that I remember.

Being Idealistic does not mean that you are automatically wrong! although ignorance to issues such as these tells a story in regards to the state of the world. You're not coming in because you're a SAFA. I don't care if you're about to die... I fail to see how that's my problem (and other assorted thread responses)... you can now see A result of that and with the current thinking on this planet, nothing is going to change any of that short of a HUGE war... something I not a great fan of.

[Love my Bonnie]

If they don't meet entry requirements then no. Why should we?

Compassion maybe

[Dave Lobster]

Compassion maybe

No no.. these are WHITE people. You only qualify for compassion if you're not white.

[Ronin]

Compassion maybe

The trouble is that if we let everyone in that had it worse off than us there would be no room. They really need to sort there own stuff out, or attempt to before exiting stage left.

[Dave Lobster]

The trouble is that if we let everyone in that had it worse off than us there would be no room. They really need to sort there own stuff out, or attempt to before exiting stage left.

Or only let in on compassionate grounds the sort of people that will try hard and be productive, rather than parasites that want something for nothing, hands out begging for all they can get.

[avgas]

Sounds bloody double dutch to me
(tongue in cheek)

[avgas]

Or only let in on compassionate grounds the sort of people that will try hard and be productive, rather than parasites that want something for nothing, hands out begging for all they can get.
Blardy somalians...................

[mashman]

The trouble is that if we let everyone in that had it worse off than us there would be no room. They really need to sort there own stuff out, or attempt to before exiting stage left.

What do you think they've been doing for the last, say, 100 hundred years? It's not like the world hasn't tried though Ronin is it? and who do you blame for the problems in the first place?

[mashman]

Or only let in on compassionate grounds the sort of people that will try hard and be productive, rather than parasites that want something for nothing, hands out begging for all they can get.

That's what we do already... don't we? do we have any problems with "foreign bludgers"? I'm guessing yes. So how do you tell who's "good" and who's "bad"?

[Coldrider]

That's what we do already... don't we? do we have any problems with "foreign bludgers"? I'm guessing yes. So how do you tell who's "good" and who's "bad"?
Tell them to all fuckoff, problem solved.

[Ronin]

What do you think they've been doing for the last, say, 100 hundred years? It's not like the world hasn't tried though Ronin is it? and who do you blame for the problems in the first place?

Hang on, lets get something straight. You are saying that White SAFA's have been trying to correct all the problems in their country for the last 100 years? Because if that's the case then our definition of 'correct' may differ.

[mashman]

Hang on, lets get something straight. You are saying that White SAFA's have been trying to correct all the problems in their country for the last 100 years? Because if that's the case then our definition of 'correct' may differ.

I never mentioned White SAFA's at all... to me SAFA's are black, white, yellow brown etc... All I was trying to say is that anyone who has stuck their oar in in SA, hasn't really made any difference at all... as for the 100 years, plucked out of the ether for illustration purposes...

Feel free to correct me on any point in no uncertain terms... i'm more than happy to learn.

[Pixie]

Been hearing a lot lately about some form of unrest in SA. Bad enough for Oz to say that there doors are shut to those that wouldn't otherwise be granted access after going through the immigration process... where does that leave those that can't get out? Apparantly my wifes, friends parents are currently locked inside their house... something they haven't done in a VERY long time.

So would you open your doors to those that Oz turns away?

John Minto will put them up

[JimO]

Have you ever wandered through the "student" area streets of Dunedin lately?

They are a fucking disgrace and some wonder what's wrong with our leaders who come through this squalor!

They are nothing more than a mob of pigs IMHO! Third world here we come! :sick:

students are a different animal, apart from the partying they dont commit crime on the scale of our toungatafenua, they pay a HUGE price to live there instead of being paid to do fuckall, dont go around in gangs beating people up and hardly ever murder their children

[mashman]

John Minto will put them up

The guy that makes them really fuckin good chews? top bloke...