Cordura - How long-lasting?

[BiK3RChiK]

How long would you expect your cordura gear - especially pants to last? I'm finding the zippers don't seem to last long and it looks like I'm up for new pants soon. The zip that fastens the liner in has failed and I can't do without my liner over the winter :baby:

How often do you buy new gear?

[avgas]

Cheap gear about 6 months.
Good gear seems to last me about 5 years.
Quasi! Quasi! Where for out thou Quasi?

[CookMySock]

I certainly wasn't too impressed with the general durability on the dririders. Zips pop, waterproof membrane is real fragile - give it a tug and it rips. It seems crappy zips are a common theme.

Steve

[avgas]

I have had good runs with Teknic gear.
I am really supprised Quasi is not here yet........

[steve_t]

How long would you expect your cordura gear - especially pants to last? I'm finding the zippers don't seem to last long and it looks like I'm up for new pants soon. The zip that fastens the liner in has failed and I can't do without my liner over the winter :baby:

How often do you buy new gear?

How long have u had your pants?

[p.dath]

I'd say my gear lasted 5 years. Then it started getting weak, and little bits started breaking. I ride all year round, in all weather. I also don't risk putting protective coatings on my gear (such as waterproofing, waxes, etc).

Cordura usually can't survive an off either. It generally wears through or disintegrates and you have to replace it.

[Mudfart]

yeah i got dri rider cordura with removeable liner. my pants pocket zips were already broken, when i got them on for the first ride at home.
one of my ankle zips has busted but still tracks open and closed a little.
And i went to put my liner back in last week and have found that after 2000kms of riding, my balls have ripped the crotch area to bits.
I suspect thats because of the riding up against the tank, which its hard to do otherwise on a small ninja, with a big fella.
I thought i paid a reasonable price for my gear, oh well, lets see how my 15$ trademe SIDI boots do.

[BiK3RChiK]

I've had my gear just over 2 years. It's been ok. I've washed it a few times and it's only just today that I noticed that where the zip joins the liners, it's worn and probably won't last.

I don't count offs.... If you have an off, expect that you'd have to replace your gear. What I'm talking about is if you just wear it under normal biking conditions. How often do you replace your gear?

[H00dz]

if they made them with high quality zips and stuff you wouldn't need to buy new gear......Which is what the manufacturers want. I have custom made cordura's which I have had for about 2-3years. still in good condition.

[quickbuck]

I have had good runs with Teknic gear.


Me too....
My partner bought me some Teknic pants (and Motoline jacket) while I was in Timor in 2002.
Jacket dies about 5 years ago, but pants are still water proof..ish.
The stirrups were tucker a year or so ago.

Since then I have had 2 Teknic Jackets.... Got one to replace the Motoline, and had a zip melting accident with it.
My new one is a Fluro coloured Freeway.

To help the OP, fine gear with a well sown in top quality zipper (ie steel, and fine teeth for that application).

[BiK3RChiK]

I'll just have to look around and see if I can get some better quality gear. I would have thought that the zips holding the liners in would have been last to fail... I might get away with it this winter by a bit of kiwi ingenuity, but when it comes to purchasing something else, I'll be doing a bit of shopping around.

[davebullet]

How long would you expect your cordura gear - especially pants to last? I'm finding the zippers don't seem to last long and it looks like I'm up for new pants soon. The zip that fastens the liner in has failed and I can't do without my liner over the winter :baby:

How often do you buy new gear?

Eat less pies, then the zips will last longer! :shutup:

So far my cheap and nasty Hein Gericke has been nearly 2 years. No zip issues (yet) although it's stretched and become a bit baggy. My Qmoto jacket is only about 6 months old and have used it every day (commuting plus weekends) and still looks and works like new.

[CookMySock]

Eat less pies, then the zips will last longer! :shutup:

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[Usarka]

My spidi gears gone the distance.

Get what you pay for. Unless you buy Dainese.

[p.dath]

I'll just have to look around and see if I can get some better quality gear. I would have thought that the zips holding the liners in would have been last to fail... I might get away with it this winter by a bit of kiwi ingenuity, but when it comes to purchasing something else, I'll be doing a bit of shopping around.

Go for leather gear. It lasts so much long. Trust me, you wont look back. Plus the image, chicks and leather. Need I say more.

[Usarka]

Sorry obvious question: What has the type of fabric got to do with the zippers?????????????????????????????????

[p.dath]

Sorry obvious question: What has the type of fabric got to do with the zippers?????????????????????????????????

Have a read of this. There is Cordura, and then there is Cordura.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordura

[p.dath]

This is a excellent read about motorcycle textiles as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_personal_protective_equipment#Textile_c lothing

[quickbuck]

Sorry obvious question: What has the type of fabric got to do with the zippers?????????????????????????????????

Nothing... Except that leathers don't have removable linings to worry about....
It is the zips on the linings that are failing after all...

[Usarka]

Nothing... Except that leathers don't have removable linings to worry about....
It is the zips on the linings that are failing after all...

My alpinestars leather jacket has a lining, you must have the cheap shit.

[steve_t]

My alpinestars leather jacket has a lining, you must have the cheap shit.

Ditto my Qmoto jacket

[Quasievil]

Most Cordura sold in NZ i.e trademe crap isnt Dupont cordura, its a cheap asian rip off, I have just recieved samples of the new Qmoto stuff which is the real stuff with the real zips and real armour, its not available for a bit yet however.
Incidentally we have picked up the agency for RUKKA, this is the best textile in the world period, still thinking if its worth bringing in though as its very pricey, good but pricey.

But like I always say, buy cheap get cheap and get disappointed.

Buy once buy right and buy on spec not price

my facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/QMOTO/59400069444) page has some of the images of our new stuff

[Urano]

i insist on halvarssons and certified gear, leather or cordura is the same as soon as it's certified...
anyway...


How often do you buy new gear?

consider that, beside the textile lasting, there is the armour lasting. polymeric protections on elbows, knees, backprotectors and so on are thought to be used about 4-5 years in the average, within they'll keep their resilience elastic properties.
it's not a good idea to use a perfectly new jacket or pants, kept 10 years in a closet, as new they can appear...

[CookMySock]

Most Cordura sold in NZ i.e trademe crap isnt Dupont cordura, its a cheap asian rip offMaybe so, but I got two "cordura" jackets one Dririder and the other cheapo asian rip off, and the dririder is a skinny weak piece of shit in comparison.

Steve

[Quasievil]

Maybe so, but I got two "cordura" jackets one Dririder and the other cheapo asian rip off, and the dririder is a skinny weak piece of shit in comparison.

Steve

Point being that you are being lied to as a consumer.

[BiK3RChiK]

Anyways, I'm thinking some hawt leather might be the bizzo. Just have to wrap and layer even more over the winter.

At Quasievil... I bought the gear from my local motorcycle dealership, not over the net... I'm just surprised that when I go to put the liners back in after the summer, the zip on them is failing. Bit disappointing as you say, but also, ya pays ya money, ya rolls ya dice...

Any rate, I'm a bit handy on the sewing machine, so I'll see what I can do to sort them out for this winter.

[Quasievil]

Anyways, I'm thinking some hawt leather might be the bizzo. Just have to wrap and layer even more over the winter.

At Quasievil... I bought the gear from my local motorcycle dealership, not over the net... I'm just surprised that when I go to put the liners back in after the summer, the zip on them is failing. Bit disappointing as you say, but also, ya pays ya money, ya rolls ya dice...

Any rate, I'm a bit handy on the sewing machine, so I'll see what I can do to sort them out for this winter.

The same goes for zips to actually, lots of fakes
take it back to the retailer and get them to replace the zips if not that old...............we would if we had a zip issue

[CookMySock]

Point being that you are being lied to as a consumer.I don't care. It's a better product as far as I'm concerned, and I directly compared both.

Steve

[The Stranger]

I don't care. It's a better product as far as I'm concerned, and I directly compared both.

Steve

Crash tested?

[The Stranger]

I don't care. It's a better product as far as I'm concerned, and I directly compared both.

Steve


Crash tested?

Dangerousbastard you dick! That wasn't a troll.
How the fuck did you compare them? The gear is there for the purpose of protecting you in an adverse event.
In the absence of an adverse event a true comparrison isn't really possible.
Did you perform abrasion testing on the material and stitching perhaps? What about the heat generated in a prolonged slide? Which one lasted best?

I have seen actual results of actual crash tests that are really quite mind blowing, Hell I've even participated in a few, so it's not unreasonable that you may have.

[howdamnhard]

The same goes for zips to actually, lots of fakes
take it back to the retailer and get them to replace the zips if not that old...............we would if we had a zip issue

I had one of my zip handles go on my old quasimoto jacket, fixed it with the old keyring trick. Not to fussed as I've had it two years now and have used it almost everyday. It's actually more waterproof (when snosealed) than the crap dri rider textile jacket I had and won't wear through in an off.

[CookMySock]

Crash tested?Hehe that's a setup. Do you really think I would have crash tested two different jackets? Either yes or no, you get to ridicule me for my inadequacies. I'm smarter than I look, and you look smarter than you are, at first glance anyway.


Steve

[The Stranger]

Hehe that's a setup. Do you really think I would have crash tested two different jackets? Either yes or no, you get to ridicule me for my inadequacies. I'm smarter than I look, and you look smarter than you are, at first glance anyway.


Steve

Look, obviously you are smarter than you look, no one could possibly be that stupid.
So answer the question, how did you make your comparrison to allow for an actual adverse event?

[tracyprier]

Isn't it interesting how a thread can spin off course :)

My question was, "does cordura (yes real cordura, not imitation) have a set lifespan before its strength degrades?"

Does anyone actually know??

cheers
Tracy

[The Stranger]

Isn't it interesting how a thread can spin off course :)

My question was, "does cordura (yes real cordura, not imitation) have a set lifespan before its strength degrades?"

Does anyone actually know??

cheers
Tracy


One of the greatest enemies of almost any man made material is UV from the sun.
Given this it is not likely that anyone can give a straight answer to that question.

[BiK3RChiK]

Take it elsewhere boys,... I'm trying to find out how long peeps expect their gear to last barring offs. Just with general wear and tear and storing it correctly between riding. How long would you expect your gear to last? I know initial quality would come into it, so what do you have? How long does it last for you?

[CookMySock]

no one could possibly be that stupid.Not unexpectedly, another remark showing little care for anyones' feelings, while claiming yours are paramount.

Readers can decide for themselves etc.

Steve

[The Stranger]

Take it elsewhere boys,... I'm trying to find out how long peeps expect their gear to last barring offs. Just with general wear and tear and storing it correctly between riding. How long would you expect your gear to last? I know initial quality would come into it, so what do you have? How long does it last for you?

As I noted, it's going to depend heavily on usage. Some people ride every day, others ride but occasionally.



Not unexpectedly, another remark showing little care for anyones' feelings, while claiming yours are paramount.

Readers can decide for themselves etc.

Steve

Aww Steve, now I'm really offended.
But I note you have done everything to avoid answering the question. So I'll let the readers decide for themselves how objective your test was.

[CookMySock]

I note you have done everything to avoid answering the question. So I'll let the readers decide for themselves how objective your test was.Good, you should note down more of what I say and take a few hints. You will let them will you? Perhaps you suggest they were unable to do that for themselves without your wise summary? :sick:

Anyway, the chick in charge says to STFU so I'm out. @The Strange one, eat my stripe!<img src="http://playingnthedirt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/c88542d9df2d44ae8878cad88da5ff1f-orig.jpg" height="100" width="100">:finger:

Steve

[R-Soul]

Have a read of this. There is Cordura, and then there is Cordura.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordura

And there are zips and there are zips. I have heard that the highest quality zips are YKK zips (it says their name on them), and most high quality stuff uses them. That doesn't mean that they are indestructible, just that they are good quality.

[The Stranger]

Good, you should note down more of what I say and take a few hints.

I'll leave that to the brain dead you quote in your sig.

[Quasievil]

Isn't it interesting how a thread can spin off course :)

My question was, "does cordura (yes real cordura, not imitation) have a set lifespan before its strength degrades?"

Does anyone actually know??

cheers
Tracy

Tracey it really depends how the jacket is cared for and how the jacket is treated and what it is exposed to and how long for.
A bit difficult to answer the question.

I would expect it to last a good number of years however

[quickbuck]

My alpinestars leather jacket has a lining, you must have the cheap shit.

Yeah, i only paid $A1200 for it 16 years ago..... My Dianese 2 piece that is.

Cheap as chips it was. It was priced at $2200 kiwi at the time, and I was on $21000 per year.....

Considering it has litterely saved my ass twice, and other parts of my body many other times, with only a few minor repairs is a credit to the quality of it.
Yes, you do may a lot for tha name these days, BUT then how much do you recon it costs to replace an ass cheak....

As I said, cheap it was.....

Oh, all bins were while bucket racing on really abrasive tarmac. (Flight Line).

[CookMySock]

And there are zips and there are zips. I have heard that the highest quality zips are YKK zips (it says their name on them), and most high quality stuff uses them. That doesn't mean that they are indestructible, just that they are good quality.It is also how they use them. My MBW jacket has the front flap pocket zips without a stopper. Sooo one quick pull open and the zip flies right of the end! :rolleyes:
It was easy fixed - wrestle the zip back on and sew the ends down, like they should have been to begin with. It's them economising - cutting a zipper short because they only have too-long ones, or not adding the stopper coz they forgot or because they're cheap.

Either way, my MBW jacket is miles ahead of my Dririder Jacket in strength and warmness.

Steve

[scracha]

My spidi gears gone the distance.

Dunno what $hite you guys are using but my cheapo Frank Thomas stuff ..umm....used it for about 12 years. Rewaterproofed it 3 times. Bulletproof. Used daily for 40Km each way commute for about 5 years. After about 8 years the VELCRO wore away on the neck but a button was sewn in to stop it flapping. Eventually chucked as it was just too manky looking but with new armour would have been still functional. *



Get what you pay for. Unless you buy Dainese.
Seconded.


*EDIT . still got the trousers

[The Stranger]

Dunno what $hite you guys are using but my cheapo Frank Thomas stuff ..umm....used it for about 12 years. Rewaterproofed it 3 times. Bulletproof. Used daily for 40Km each way commute for about 5 years. After about 8 years the VELCRO wore away on the neck but a button was sewn in to stop it flapping. Eventually chucked as it was just too manky looking but with new armour would have been still functional. *



Well it's got to be good if it'll stop a bullet.

[p.dath]

Well it's got to be good if it'll stop a bullet.

Only if you crash into bullets. :lol:

[Urano]

This is a excellent read about motorcycle textiles as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_personal_protective_equipment#Textile_c lothing

excellent?
no sources, no way to understand how those data are obtained.

the only abrasion test made for motorcyclist gear is the en 13595.

are you really going to entrust your skin and your life to an unsourced wikipedia page?

this is a little better, at least to open the discussion http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-clothing/motorcycle-clothing-safety-standards.htm

[R-Soul]

It is also how they use them...

No comments about my gut please... It cost me a fortune to get it this way..