Pick my new bike for me (because I can't figure it out)

[SpikedPunch]

So the RM100 is gonna be a gonner soon :bye: all things going well. Hopefully it finds a new home with someone who will love it and care for it...I'll miss you, tank girl :weep:

...As such, it's new bike time! I can't figure out what I want. As far as the RM went,

Pros:
Low
Light - really, really light. This is a big pro!!
Fun
Easy to throw around

Cons:
Wonky kickstart
mystery ailments - stuff we always managed to figure out, but it really was a bit of a drama queen. Kind of like me when my bike starts playing up!!
Bollocks at hills (compared to a big bike) - I'd always make it up in the end but it was sometimes kind of an ordeal. I climbed hills on it far better than I ever did on my DR-Z though (possibly due to learning what the clutch was). The boys I ride with have bikes with tractor factor, I hate being the one to make everyone else wait!
More effort to ride compared to a bigger bike (those big wheels do make a difference...bugger).

I'm leaning towards the idea of a 125 2t because it's cheaper and lighter than some of my other options, the concern being it'll just be a big version of what I already had - bit crap at hills and high strung. I have this crazy idea that if I put a FWW on it I might be ok - am I dreaming? Will a 125 really be that much gruntier than the 100/tuff enuff to do alright at trail rides and maybe some XCs for fun? I'm not very heavy if that helps - in the 50's (and I'm not getting any more specific than that!).
Really what I fancy is a 200exc, but it's out of my budget at the moment. I don't know whether to save up, be bikeless for a little while, and be able to get an ok condition 2nd hand ktm now, or get a better nick 125 to ride for the next couple years at which point I will hopefully be earning more $ and can have my fancy old man euro bike - and maybe I will decide the 125 is my dream bike in the meantime! Thoughts?
Thanks.

[krad_nz]

You should get a DRZ-125.... oh wait. *zing* :devil2:

[SpikedPunch]

You should get a DRZ-125.... oh wait. *zing* :devil2:

Naughty!! No wife bikes allowed, that's the one condition ;)

[vazza]

KTM 125 EXC. Cant go wrong. Hard to get one thou I think.. It would be far easier to ride than a 125 2T. Far more predictable/useable power. Ideal for the sort of riding you do :)

EDIT: or a 200EXC???

[L Rider]

Have you ridden different bikes to see what you do like to ride without considering the price.
Personally if its 200 exc you want then i'd work towards achieving this rather than 'settling' for a 125 mxer and it not doing what you want.

How long do you think you'd have to be bikeless for before you can get a 200 exc? Or could you hang onto the RM for longer whilst you save or is this totally out of the question?

[Crisis management]

Don't know what your budget is, but as money is tight (it always is) then buy the newest bike you can in the 125 / 200 class. What you need is something reliable more than a specific make so you can ride more rather than spend time fixing it.
I would plug your price range and 125/200cc size into Trade me and see what comes up...thats the bikes you can chose from.

[noobi]

I know where theres a trail ridden 07 125 enduro bike for sale

[Ktmboy]

I'd have a ride on a 125 or a 125exc. I don't know what your budget is but I know of a 09 125exc that you could get for about 7k.
An earlier 200 exc could be the go. Say an 05 model.

Have a ride on Logans 125 next. A YZ125 would be a good option with a fly wheel.
(chopping down the seat etc for the vertically challenged)

[SpikedPunch]

Have you ridden different bikes to see what you do like to ride without considering the price.
Personally if its 200 exc you want then i'd work towards achieving this rather than 'settling' for a 125 mxer and it not doing what you want.

How long do you think you'd have to be bikeless for before you can get a 200 exc? Or could you hang onto the RM for longer whilst you save or is this totally out of the question?
After it's last little 'incident' at tussock buster, well, me and the RM have called it quits and I won't be going back ;) The trust is gone there!
How long I'm bikeless depends on how long the RM takes to sell. I guess I'm just worried I'll end up with another pain in the arse bike. Makes me feel a bit sick really. All that money on something that causes constant frustration. I hope it's a long, loooong time before I'm towed out of a ride again.

[Rupe]

The only way is to ride them. What I like, might be what the next man/woman hates.

An MX 125cc needs to be ridden fairly aggresivly. It will teach/force you to ride it hard, use the clutch alot and carry good corner speed. In the right hands they are weapons in the tight stuff, but you have to take control of the bike.

An enduro/trails bike 125cc/200cc is easier all round and probably a better move if you found the rm100 too peaky.

but yeah try to get as many goes, on as many different bikes as you can in the meantime

[clmintie]

Height wise, there's not much to choose from, either '85' size or full size. Grace is finding out just how big the jump is, but is adapting by learning to plan ahead more, stopping where she can get a foot down, setting up a box at the trailer to stop at etc.... The riding is good, just the stopping requires thought.....She had her first Sandpit ride on the 125 last week and loved it, only had a couple awkward moments needing help............

[SpikedPunch]

I'd have a ride on a 125 or a 125exc. I don't know what your budget is but I know of a 09 125exc that you could get for about 7k.
An earlier 200 exc could be the go. Say an 05 model.

Have a ride on Logans 125 next. A YZ125 would be a good option with a fly wheel.
(chopping down the seat etc for the vertically challenged)

Cool, YZ is top of my list for a 125, everywhere I read seems to reckon they're the best 125 mxer for trail, but yes what I really need is to ride one, and other bikes too! :) Whenever Krad goes out riding next, I'm hitching a ride and commandeering the bike of every KBer I see ;)
7k is out of my budget :( Right now the new bike fund is sitting at just over 3gs and hopefully closer to 5 when I sell the RM, just don't know how quickly I can sell it at the moment.
Maybe the wise thing to do is just save for a while :shutup:

[SpikedPunch]

Height wise, there's not much to choose from, either '85' size or full size. Grace is finding out just how big the jump is, but is adapting by learning to plan ahead more, stopping where she can get a foot down, setting up a box at the trailer to stop at etc.... The riding is good, just the stopping requires thought.....She had her first Sandpit ride on the 125 last week and loved it, only had a couple awkward moments needing help............
Haha, love that pic, I know that pose well, it's like me on Krad's 200 ;)! I had a sit on Midget's lowered 200 at tussock buster and it felt great, so I'm sold on the idea of a big bike now :)

[Meatbomb]

1983 XL250R you know it!!!! :) bent and all

[laserracer]

Hows about something like this Listing #: 283071957 trademe ....or go with the 200 ktm...

[Midget200]

Haha, love that pic, I know that pose well, it's like me on Krad's 200 ;)! I had a sit on Midget's lowered 200 at tussock buster and it felt great, so I'm sold on the idea of a big bike now :)

Next time we catch up have a ride, you're more than welcome. I'm still loving the KDX200! I had the seat shaved again, this time on the sides! I can kickstart the bike now, yeha! I'm having the kickstart shortened this week and it'll be near perfect! Took me up all the hills at Tussock, and Riverhead on Sunday! Yeah it's 106 kilos wet, but I try not to fall off as much and it's fine! PM me when you're going out again. A shortish girl took it for a ride at Tussock, she had an 85, and she loved it, especially the height!

[takitimu]

Haha, love that pic, I know that pose well, it's like me on Krad's 200 ;)! I had a sit on Midget's lowered 200 at tussock buster and it felt great, so I'm sold on the idea of a big bike now :)

Just a thought but what about a 144 ( YZ/KTM ), then you'd get a little bit more low end grunt, which would be handy for those hill climbs :).

[Azzman]

You really cant go past the KDX for a super reliable cheap to maintain trailbike.

[lizzywutang]

Hey SpikedPunch - I'm a bit of shorty (165cm/5'5) and I ride a 06 RM125 - admittedly i can't touch the ground easily but i don't find it a problem, you just learn to look out for a good spot to stop and lean the bike over a little..... the only mod i had done was the springs, greg at proride changed them from the standard to suit my weight (just under 60kgs) and i was away! Like someone above said, RM125's are made to ride hard and i definitely don't do it justice (yet), but i've seen solid guys riding them and kicking arse! so i don't think there is an issue with performance. As far as reliability goes, i haven't had any issues, just done all the general maintenance, although it's my first 'real' bike so don't have anything to compare........ all in all I would definitely recommend one! If you wanna have a ride let me know, i'm at the Sandpit regularly, the epic events rides etc..... hope your current bike sells quick for you!

[Reckless]

My sons 03 Ktm200 cost us under 4k and the bike would be perfect engine wise due to its adjustability in the power valve so you could make it deliver the power how you want. But those years are very tall in the seat and are wilder in grunt than say my 08 Ktm200. An 08 Ktm200 would be best but out of your budget. I really like the 200 but best to talk to Danger about how much you could Actually lower one??

The Kdx would be better for you as it has a linkage, the easyness of just putting longer links in the KDX (and shaving the seat if you have to) might make it a better choice.
Power delivery is soft and good as well, and if you want more, a pipe etc makes a big difference I understand??

I personally think your much better off Not buying a 125 2smoker for what you want. My 6ft son hated his CR125, having to clutch it constantly in the forest and charge at the hills within the correct rev range. His 200 brings him much more enjoyment. The Crf150r 4 stroke is an option for seat height but I hear they are Feisty to ride and are a race bike so Maintenance is often and ongoing as I understand it.

The 144 and the 150Xc all have seat heights of 920mm odd? all these riders need a seat height of about 820-850mm or so Bloody siily!! The new 125exc has a seat height of 985mm? If Ktm made a 150 XC or 125exc small wheel/ low seat or someone else did it would be perfect and have a huge market following.

There seems to be only a few options here, RM100, Enduroise a KX85/CR85 with a pipe and fly wheel weight or a lowered Kdx200.
(I always wondered about puting a 230 onto a CR85 or 150R Chassis).
Ask Midget she's bought and sold the last two options and seems to ride pretty well.

Jeepers how many times has this come up!!!
When is some manufacturer going to make a proper braked and suspended enduro bike with a low seat height for all the short asses, riders coming through, Kids coming up, and ladies that can't lift a feakin heavy bike, thats not a glorified farm bike like the 150, 230F or KLX140?? Bloody great hole in the market here I reckon. Good luck!

[tnarg]

Here is something alittle different. Saw it trademe the other week. Seat hieght of 800mmm. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-277888399.htm

[SpikedPunch]

Not sure the Kdx would be better for you as it has a linkage, the easyness of just putting longer links in the KDX (and shaving the seat if you have to) might make it a better choice.
Power delivery is soft and good as well, and if you want more, a pipe etc makes a big difference I understand??

Yup, lack of linkages is a concern for me - I do wonder how I'd go about lowering it in addition to the obvious at-home stuff (seat cut etc) without spending a bomb. KDX is an option, I'm not totally sold on it, but yeah, definitely an option. I have a nice 07 one complete with shiny pipe sitting in my house right now, in fact ;) I kind of prefer how my mx bike handles (maybe just cause it's what I'm used to, and it's more suited to my size), but then if it's lowered the lower center of gravity might change that? The KDX is roughly a million times easier to ride in sand than the 100. I'd like to try a 125 in sand too and see how it goes. I feel like I'm cruising on the loose stuff on the kdx, compared to the 100 where it's always a battle. Where I like the 100 best is in the trees. It's also fun on the mx track. I don't ride much mx though, plus I'm a total goober at it, so it's not really worth having a dedicated bike for that purpose. Something I could still have a little noodle over some jumps with would be good though.



I personally think your much better off Not buying a 125 2smoker for what you want. My 6ft son hated his CR125, having to clutch it constantly in the forest and charge at the hills within the correct rev range. His 200 brings him much more enjoyment. The Crf150r 4 stroke is an option for seat height but I hear they are Feisty to ride and are a race bike so Maintenance is often and ongoing as I understand it.

There seems to be only a few options here, RM100, Enduroise a KX85/CR85 with a pipe and fly wheel weight or a lowered Kdx200.
(I always wondered about puting a 230 onto a CR85 or 150R Chassis).
Ask Midget she's bought and sold the last two options and seems to ride pretty well.

I have an RM100 now. I like it, but I want a bike with big wheels and a bit more low end grunt. I don't mind if it's a kinda 'peppy', since the 100 tends that way, and I'm used to clutching the bejeezus out of it...Would just like to have to do that a little bit less. Maybe make it up the big dipper some time :)

[Reckless]

Very interesting Tnarg Very Good find!! their blurb off the net.

Scorpa T-Ride (USA company)
Scorpa's newest creation! The T-Ride is a half trials bike half enduro bike built for extreme trail riding. This bike is very light weight and uses the Yamaha 4 stroke motor. Available with a Yamaha TTR 125cc air cooled motor or the 250cc Yamaha WR motor. Both have electric starters.

We might have the bike they are looking for??
No usd forks but the tubes look big enough to house decent suspension, electric start, the four stroke wr motor will deliver power nicely, the 125 would be good for learners etc, good seat height, half trials based will be excellent for those gnarly hill climbs and riding skills, 105 kg. Not sure? found this review but haven't got time to read it at the moment http://www.dirtrider.com/reviews/dirt_bike/141_0810_scorpa_t_ride_250f_trial_bike/index.html Vid here http://www.scorpausa.com/scorpatv.cfm?vidid=2008_Scorpa_T-Ride&myname=2008_Scorpa_T-Ride.flv MMmmmmmmm?? Might be really good for woodhill and Wires but not so good for ripping across farmland at 100+K?? Juries out.

Jinxycat already told you about them here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/120804-Dirt-bikes-for-short-people !! Who sells them in Auckland?? The big question HOW MUCH$$$$$

[camchain]

Seems like a lowered KDX could suit you well.

- Great bang for buck
- linkage easier to lower, & lower seat height than EXC
- Plus more room to cut foam out of seat unlike already thin/hard KTM
- 200 a great small engine and a lot easier to trail ride than 125mxer
- Should def think about trying noobis 125 gasser too. Super light & suspension might be near perfect for you.

[laserracer]

what about a crf 230 you could always strip it down to lose any extra weight and do motor mods for more power shave the seat and a lowering link
only prob i see with a kdx is the older style forks that get stuck in deep ruts..but nothing a good set of usd mx forks wont fix

[Reckless]

what about a crf 230 you could always strip it down to lose any extra weight and do motor mods for more power shave the seat and a lowering link

I have a CRF150f for my daughter and personally I think it would be a backward step for what she is trying to achieve to go from the RM100 suspension and brakes to the CRF230 IMHO.

[IIIRII]

Gasgas 125 ec FULL STOP
Why would you even consider a bigger mx bike than your last one ?

[Pornstar]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-282505085.htm
How bout this puppy? 250cc I know, but not full power id say.

[Pornstar]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-282286288.htm
Light weight, check. Low seat hieght, check, big wheels, check. easy to ride, check. Hmmmm

[B0000M]

someone buy one of those gasgas's

i really want to know what theyre like

[Shane06]

a mx 2stroke 250 enough power to keep you happy and cheap maintenance

[B0000M]

a mx 2stroke 250 enough power to keep you happy and cheap maintenance

LOL

the rider in question here, is a female, and not a very big one.....

im pretty sure she couldnt kick one over.... at the start of the day

and im pretty sure the power would be far too ridiculous.- for once, this isnt a suitable application for a 250cc 2 stroke mx'er - however, for a full size man, definately!

[Rupe]

someone buy one of those gasgas's

i really want to know what theyre like

Pretty sure I've seen Birchy's mum on one....maybe he knows

[noobi]

The pamperas are good for absolute beginner riders, they are basically a trials bike engine in a trails bike frame with a subframe and full plastics.
So as such, if you put a 100kg rider on it and ride it hard ie. jumps, they have been known to break frames.

[Ktmboy]

Pretty sure I've seen Birchy's mum on one....maybe he knows

I think Joe has one. Good work Pornstar thats ideal for Spiked Punch. At the end of the day 99% of her riding is trail so light weight and low seat is important. If she wants to do MX then these two requirements don't come into the equation. Once you start in MX then you are riding all the time as opposed to the stop start nature of enduro, cross country or trail riding.

And an easy cheap 2 stroke on maintenance to boot.!!

[Ktmboy]

The pamperas are good for absolute beginner riders, they are basically a trials bike engine in a trails bike frame with a subframe and full plastics.
So as such, if you put a 100kg rider on it and ride it hard ie. jumps, they have been known to break frames.

But Spiked Punch is not a 100kg rider. She is (jeez I hope I get this right, gulp) about 60 kg and 5 foot nothing. Does not do alot of MX.

Take the bike for a ride and see what its like . easy pezy

[krad_nz]

Hhahah ^ dangerous :)

[honda_power]

a mx 2stroke 250 enough power to keep you happy and cheap maintenance

come on man... a 250? its obvious she would need at LEAST a 500


The pamperas are good for absolute beginner riders, they are basically a trials bike engine in a trails bike frame with a subframe and full plastics.
So as such, if you put a 100kg rider on it and ride it hard ie. jumps, they have been known to break frames.

iv heard that all gas-gas's have weak frames lol

[SpikedPunch]

Noob, do they make aftermarket pistons for the GGs? I had seen that pampera on there before and thought it seemed kinda cool, but I've never heard anything about them before. Just asking about the piston cause I was in spectrum the other day and they scared me away from GG a little with tales of $400 pistons....youch!
Has anyone here owned a pampera or has a mate with one? :0

[SpikedPunch]

Hhahah ^ dangerous :)

I'm choosing to ignore that bit ;)

Edit: Also, thanks for all the suggestions guys! Very helpful and has definitely got my brain ticking. Great to see there are so many choices :)

[Ktmboy]

Noob, do they make aftermarket pistons for the GGs? I had seen that pampera on there before and thought it seemed kinda cool, but I've never heard anything about them before. Just asking about the piston cause I was in spectrum the other day and they scared me away from GG a little with tales of $400 pistons....youch!
Has anyone here owned a pampera or has a mate with one? :0

PM Birchy and see if you could have a ride on their GG. Some times Joe comes to the Jolly Roosta ride. They are really neat folks.

[honda_power]

Noob, do they make aftermarket pistons for the GGs? I had seen that pampera on there before and thought it seemed kinda cool, but I've never heard anything about them before. Just asking about the piston cause I was in spectrum the other day and they scared me away from GG a little with tales of $400 pistons....youch!
Has anyone here owned a pampera or has a mate with one? :0

i doubt youd have to change the piston in that bike much

[cheese]

Why not a 250 4 stroke and lower it..... I can't believe I suggested a 4 stroke..... But the bonus is that it will have alot more tractor power that you can use.

[noobi]

Yes Ktmboy you are right, I doubt Spikedpunch would break the frame, but thats just something that should be explained should someone bring it up. Also with that gassers have weak frame, they are an enduro bike, not built nor suspended for 200ft landings. And any bike will break if you push it hard enough.

$400 for a genuine piston kit, yea. But there are aftermarket pistons, like Wiseco, Vertex, Athena, ProX, Wossner, Namura, for around $200 or $250 a kit.
And I wouldnt imagine you would need the change the piston very often.

[clmintie]

Midget might like to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure she got the rear shock shortened and went back to standard linkage arms to stop the tire hitting the mudguard on her KDX..................

[barty5]

Is it just me or are GasGas owners starting to sound a bit like KTM owners gg this gg that oh there is nothing better than a gg oh you couldnt pass up on a gg hell dont worry if the frame breaks youll still own a gg i dont know could just be me maybe ???????????

[laserracer]

Dunno Barty havent seen a GG toaster yet..they may srill have a long way to go ..before they they get to KTM weirdness

[Midget200]

Midget might like to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure she got the rear shock shortened and went back to standard linkage arms to stop the tire hitting the mudguard on her KDX..................

Yeah I got a spacer in the rear shock, and have kept the lowering link as well! I've adjusted the spring thingo and it's not hitting the back wheel. Shaving the seat on the side has given me another inch, and 2 inches off the top of the seat. So that's probably 6 inches shorter - yeha near on the perfect bike apart from being heavy to pick up, 101 dry! The Gas Gas Pampera is still 95 kilos dry, and seat height of 825. Talked to Birchy's mum on the phone about the Pampera, she was more than happy to give me all the pros and cons.

[laserracer]

so how did the gas gas stack up ???

[Midget200]

so how did the gas gas stack up ???

I had the CRF250X at the time and was wanting something a whole lot lighter! I decided on the KX85 and had the same problems Spiked Punch is having now! Didn't ride the Gas Gas, but Dave Greenslade's daughter has one and loves it. She's not that tall either! The new ones aren't cheap!!!!

[Crisis management]

A suggestion......how about "we" get as many of the possible bike choices available together at the Jolly Roosta (2nd May?) so the girl can have a ride and compare them back to back, my 200EXC is available for starters.

[Midget200]

A suggestion......how about "we" get as many of the possible bike choices available together at the Jolly Roosta (2nd May?) so the girl can have a ride and compare them back to back, my 200EXC is available for starters.

That's a very good idea, I'll be there! Spiked Punch you can do a loop on it and see what you think! I know you've got reservations about it, especially with the weight! You can give it a whirl though!!

[SpikedPunch]

Shucks guys...:hug: That would be great!

[crfchick]

Why not a 250 4 stroke and lower it..... I can't believe I suggested a 4 stroke..... But the bonus is that it will have alot more tractor power that you can use.

Have you ridden a CRF150R Spiked Punch? I LOVE my one, I got a fly wheel weight put in and its smoothed out the power heaps (a bit more like tractor power now as Cheese has said). Its light weight, nimble, not too tall for you, heaps of power and given that I'm just trail riding and not thrashing the sh*t out of it the maintenance hasnt been much more than any other bike (touchwood!). Just regular air filter and oil changes mainly. I FULLY recommend them!

[noobi]

Is it just me or are GasGas owners starting to sound a bit like KTM owners gg this gg that oh there is nothing better than a gg oh you couldnt pass up on a gg hell dont worry if the frame breaks youll still own a gg i dont know could just be me maybe ???????????

You cant be referring to me, Iv posted 3 times in this thread, 4 now, and no where have I said that there is "nothing better".
IIIRIIs post about gas-gas full stop. Lets take a look at what SP actually wants to use the bike for, trail riding, not so much mx, a mx125 will take alot of work before its nearly as trail friendly as a gas-gas or ktm. And if Yamaha wanted to build a plush, tame 125 2T then we would be recommending one of them, but seeing as they dont, and NO Japanese manufacturer does by the way, we are only left with the European bikes, and still only 3 of them.
The only japenese trail friendly 2 stroke is the KDX, although a great bike in its own right, it is rather heavy (for a 2 stroke), and rather old design wise.

So Bart, you must be referring to someone else

[Jinxycat]

You cant be referring to me, Iv posted 3 times in this thread, 4 now, and no where have I said that there is "nothing better".
IIIRIIs post about gas-gas full stop. Lets take a look at what SP actually wants to use the bike for, trail riding, not so much mx, a mx125 will take alot of work before its nearly as trail friendly as a gas-gas or ktm. And if Yamaha wanted to build a plush, tame 125 2T then we would be recommending one of them, but seeing as they dont, and NO Japanese manufacturer does by the way, we are only left with the European bikes, and still only 3 of them.
The only japenese trail friendly 2 stroke is the KDX, although a great bike in its own right, it is rather heavy (for a 2 stroke), and rather old design wise.

So Bart, you must be referring to someone else

some one needs a hug.......aw come here

[Reckless]

You cant be referring to me, Iv posted 3 times in this thread, 4 now, and no where have I said that there is "nothing better".
IIIRIIs post about gas-gas full stop. Lets take a look at what SP actually wants to use the bike for, trail riding, not so much mx, a mx125 will take alot of work before its nearly as trail friendly as a gas-gas or ktm. And if Yamaha wanted to build a plush, tame 125 2T then we would be recommending one of them, but seeing as they dont, and NO Japanese manufacturer does by the way, we are only left with the European bikes, and still only 3 of them.
The only japenese trail friendly 2 stroke is the KDX, although a great bike in its own right, it is rather heavy (for a 2 stroke), and rather old design wise.

So Bart, you must be referring to someone else

Steady Now boy Steady Noobi!! LOL!!!
Just ignore it mate its either a deliberate flame or they are so bloody sensitive thats its got to the point nobody can now even discuss the pluses and minusus of European Enduro bikes without raising hackles. Bit silly really like the stupid Honda riders are gay syndrome on the rest of KB. Barty rides Yamaha and very well, but if he prefers to have a go at GG instead of promoting the vertues of the very good WR Yamaha that birchy is doing very well on, thats his choice. Mind you at 132kilos its probably not an option for Spikedpunch as the CRF250x was to heavy for Midget, so back to Euro 2 smokers. Even tho no one there makes a low seat model suitable for these riders either without trying to cut 100mm out of the seat height?? Bloody tough for all the girls, young teenagers and short arses trying to find a decent ride and bloody stupid for some manufacturer not to notice. Ktm could alter an existing model to a low seat 125 or 150 enduro 2smoker for stuff all in development costs, but the light hasn't gone on yet! DUH!!

[barty5]

No im just saying that people seam to get on a bike they like and thats all they are prepared to push on to people (not everyone of course) and this mostly seam to be KTM riders and starting to look like GG riders are heading the same way. And yes all honda riders are GAY geeee where have you been

[SpikedPunch]

Mummy, Daddy, stop fighting!
I'm strong 'for a girl' because I weight train 3x/week, but unless I get a lot more skilled, I wouldn't want to ride a 130kg bike. Just because I can pick it up doesn't mean I want to. 70kg curb weight (probably a couple kgs more with the aftermarket tank) is something I'll really miss about the rm.

[SpikedPunch]

Also, I don't care what brand it is, as long as it's not a honda or a fourstroke....;)

[Reckless]

No im just saying that people seam to get on a bike they like and that's all they are prepared to push on to people (not everyone of course) and this mostly seam to be KTM riders and starting to look like GG riders are heading the same way. And yes all Honda riders are GAY geeee where have you been

What can I say? We like our bikes and genuinely think others will to, so recommend them to others, especially when the thread calls for it.
I actually didn't recommend mine as the KDx will be easier to modify.
BTW looks like the KDx is still the favored option here so Kawasaki still has the best bike (albeit with extensive mods) over all other brands.

CRFchick might have a point though! The CRF150R might be a sleeper here! Its does have everything required with a question mark over its maintenance regime and perkiness being designed for MX but defiantly worth a try out ride on!! They are about the 5K she says she has and a fly wheel weight is only a hundred or two dollars! I think they come in Big and small wheel models as well! Pity its a four stroke but if my daughter was getting serious about riding the pluses might out-way that!
Here
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283085926.htm

this one trail ridden only (but it has race numbers?????)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-281589179.htm

Nice 08 in Taranaki if you have the extra bucks!!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-273060909.htm

Anyway as you asked for in the thread spikedpunch you have lots of options to look at now!
Gasgas, KTm, Kdx, Honda all of which you have to modify unfortunately

BTW if you buy the Honda and discover your gay can I come over LOL!! I'm sure Krad won't mind TUI !!! LOL!!!

Edit: opps just noticed this
Also, I don't care what brand it is, as long as it's not a honda or a fourstroke....;) but I'm not retyping al of the above LOL!! Honda make good bikes though, although I'd do a fairly thourough net search for "CRF150R faults" and learn about them before committing.

[noobi]

blevins O_o

[L Rider]

I ride a Honda & love it - don't give a shit what anyone else thinks of them. I reckon find the bike you like that suits you - end of the day its your bike not someone elses.
So SP ignore all this bloody fighting & putting down of bikes etc and find what you like.

John & I do not own a KTM but we've had to buy one for Brooklyn because he wants to do motorcross and KTM are they only one who produce a 50cc MX bike. He'll start on this & most likely go to Kawasaki when he gets to the 65cc class. Point being we didn't buy this bike on brand - it was on purpose & what we needed only a KTM mini SX fitted.
Reckless - re that bike with race numbers. Mine has full graphics kit on it & numbers but i don't race. Although must say the numbers on that didn't look like part of a full graphics kit more like cheap numbers for a race or 10.

[IIIRII]

No im just saying that people seam to get on a bike they like and thats all they are prepared to push on to people (not everyone of course) and this mostly seam to be KTM riders and starting to look like GG riders are heading the same way.



I ride a KTM, I suggested a GG

Hopefully I fall into the "Not everyone"


Gee I duuno. I read a question about what kind of bike I should buy based on abc and xyz

I really dont care who rides what, but I can tell you Noobs 125 has been exceptionally reliable , its very nimble (according to people who have actually ridden it) very light, handles better than other 125s
Not sure why it wouldnt be a contender, can be ridden very slow like a trials bike or fast in the open stuff.
Didnt Noob almost smoke you around Criminal one time Bart ?
Is that why you dont like them ?

[takitimu]

Also, I don't care what brand it is, as long as it's not a honda or a fourstroke....;)

It's an interesting idea that crf150 with a heavier flywheel, those bikes can go & no worries about size or dropping the bike height etc. You just have to worry about getting a hard time for riding a Honda, but I'm sure you can get therapy for that :).

[SpikedPunch]

tbh the GG125 is probably my top pick so far. Main reservation is/was expensive parts. Can't figure anything out until I've ridden it anyway :) I sat on noob's 200 (and almost fell off, darn slippery seat!) at tussock buster and though it felt pretty good size wise. Would need lowering still of course, but was nice and skinny. He reckoned it was pretty much the same size as the ec125?
I like to take the piss outta honda and ktm, but I'd still buy either if it was the best option :sunny:

[Pornstar]

I like to take the piss outta honda and ktm, but I'd still buy either if it was the best option :sunny:
Thats the spirit boys

[vr4king]

Nothing wrong with being gay as long as both chicks are hot

[Pornstar]

Seriously though, what about a trials bike? has all your needs covered, only mod needed would be a pillow taped onto the seat area. near impossible to stall, plus once you have the hang of it imagine your joy, a Girl turning up on her trials bike Kickin Ass and Takin Names BOO YAA.:2guns:

[Jinxycat]

Nothing wrong with being gay as long as both chicks are hot

lol, im a lesbian too

[oldskool]

lol, im a lesbian too
Damn I did wonder about your gender, thanks for confirming!!!

Oh while I'm here, may as well slip in a plug....GAS GAS 4 EVA!!!! muah hahahah ha

Spikey, me's thinks a certain someone down at our local bikeshop has been whispering in your ear regarding the cons of owning a GasGas.

[Pornstar]

lol, im a lesbian too
Lesbians also make great movies.

[Reckless]

Lesbians also make great movies.

Oh shit what have I started LOL?????

BTW: my toungue is 100% lesbian!!

[Jinxycat]

Oh shit what have I started LOL?????

BTW: my toungue is 100% lesbian!!

maybe we could get a lesbian sticky thred, or a sticky lesbian thred if you rather :tugger:

[Jinxycat]

ok, ill put my social filter back on

[laserracer]

Hey oldschool next time ya slip in a plug you wanna warn me first ? and axle grease or crc will do just fine

[IIIRII]

Please Gasgas try Gasgas to Gasgas keep Gasgas the Gasgas discussion Gasgas on Gasgas the Gasgas original Gasgasl topic Gasgas

[laserracer]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283453294.htm ok how about something like this ..you could also look at an athena 144 kit for it later and maybe a flywheel weight ?

also this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-282669874.htm

[flyingcr250]

dont you people work or something? whats with all the midday posts? lol....

those two 125's lazerracer found look the go.......

[little.whittle]

HI i have a ktm 125 for sale its set up for enduro riding and xc's and trail riding so its not as bad as a norml motorcrosser. h its super reliabl havnt had a thing wrong with the engine. has brand new piston and rings plastics chain and sprokets (z-ring chain for more life) and sproket set up has larger rear than stock, makes beter in woodhill etc. its in great condition starts every time and has NEVER fould a plug haha has new grafics on too with white back plastics. The ktm 125's seem to have much more bottem end than a jap bike so would be bit easyer to ride slower. Can test it out if u want.

[4stroke]

shit barty thats a bit hard on some of the other brands, if i cant get the husky i want ill be back on a honda again, purely because of the fact they're not a bad bike and the local dealer is a good guy, and he's a neighbour too. but if you are un-biased on brands there are plenty of options. the gas gas are a good bike as are the husky's a husky cr125 maybe a lil aggresive tho, if they had the wr125 in nz that would be my option for ya, we have a crf150 f up here on the farm as a spare bike, and shit that can take a hiding, everytime it gets riden it get thrahed.

[Jinxycat]

dont you people work or something? whats with all the midday posts? lol....

those two 125's lazerracer found look the go.......

no work for me, acc still, stoopid leg

[SpikedPunch]

Hey, those ktms look badass - but would they be better for trail than the ec125 or a jap mxer? SX is the mx model right? Was looking at the 200exc originally cause I like the idea of a 200 engine in a 125 frame, if I get a motocross bike it'll probably be a jap one just cause of cheaper parts and stuff. They are pretty tho...
Husky cr125s look pretty cool too, but those huskys are sooo tall. Even krad finds them a bit tall and he's over a foot taller than me!

[vr4king]

maybe we could get a lesbian sticky thred, or a sticky lesbian thred if you rather :tugger:

Did someone say sticky lesbians?


Ill back the crf150 too I have had the pleasure of riding a few and knowing a few people with them and they are shit hot little bikes,Not sure on the maintence side though...........When i first laid eyes on one the first thing i thought was what a cool bike for the mrs

They are slowing starting to show up at trail rides too and only tme ive seem one parked up with a sad face next to it was when it broke the chain link.........not a good thing i dont know anyone who carries spare chain links

[little.whittle]

Hey, those ktms look badass - but would they be better for trail than the ec125 or a jap mxer? SX is the mx model right? Was looking at the 200exc originally cause I like the idea of a 200 engine in a 125 frame, if I get a motocross bike it'll probably be a jap one just cause of cheaper parts and stuff. They are pretty tho...
Husky cr125s look pretty cool too, but those huskys are sooo tall. Even krad finds them a bit tall and he's over a foot taller than me!

This would be the perfect bike for u... http://www.ktm.com/150-XC.184.20.html

I have a 200 exc and it is not the easyst thing to ride its got alot of grunt and likes to be ridn fast.. and can get ugly on hills when lackin concentration haha a 125 would be a bit easyer i think. And the 150 would be perfect.. bit more botem end than a 125 so beter in slower conditions..

[Jinxycat]

Did someone say sticky lesbians?

wow that got your attention, and yes, yes i did

[IIIRII]

dont you people work or something? whats with all the midday posts? lol....


I wish , Some stupid knocked me off my bike remember ....Im going stir crazy ...
Might have to make some effort to go to work ...

[flyingcr250]

havent you got a desk job??? lol

[barty5]

im the boss do as i please when i please

[barty5]

No not really just get sick a people who just harp on about one brand over and over hell i ride a yami but dont go on and on about it there are a ton of options not just what you (meaning who ever is posting )rides as a brand just cuase you think it great dosnt mean its the best brand or bike .

[oldskool]

No not really just get sick a people who just harp on about one brand over and over hell i ride a yami but dont go on and on about it there are a ton of options not just what you (meaning who ever is posting )rides as a brand just cuase you think it great dosnt mean its the best brand or bike .

Not sure where you are coming from Barty.
I share from my experiences and not from some BS hype I have read somewhere online. I've ridden a KX125 and Noobs GasGas EC125. And between them I can say the EC125 is a better bike for trail riding hands down. I've ridden the KTMexc250 (4T) and YZF250 and can say the KTM is a better bike to ride on trails hands down. Between the KTM EXC250 (4T) and the GGEC300 I can say the GasGas EC300 is a better bike to ride on trails hands down.
I only describe from my experiences and not some academic make believe I've conjured from reading about something somewhere. It's not about pushing a brand of bike but sharing from real experience so making Spike a better informed buyer. Why would you wank on about a particular brand if you have never ridden it before?

[green machine]

How about a KXF450...............just stirring:innocent:

[takitimu]

shit barty thats a bit hard on some of the other brands, if i cant get the husky i want ill be back on a honda again, purely because of the fact they're not a bad bike and the local dealer is a good guy, and he's a neighbour too. but if you are un-biased on brands there are plenty of options. the gas gas are a good bike as are the husky's a husky cr125 maybe a lil aggresive tho, if they had the wr125 in nz that would be my option for ya, we have a crf150 f up here on the farm as a spare bike, and shit that can take a hiding, everytime it gets riden it get thrahed.

Actually they do the WR125 in NZ :), Damon's on one. Though maybe still to tall, Cassidy ( Damon/Mitchell's sister ) is riding one & going good & Cass is not that tall.

Being more serious, a KX450F would be interesting, but hey go the full hog, get a Husky TXC510 just that bit extra horsepower for when you need to tow a horse float or pull a small house off it's foundations.

[cheese]

So Sacha, are you really confused now?

I just researched some specs and its interesting to point out that an average 125 2 stroke MX bike versus a 250 MX bike is about 6kg difference (the 250 is heavier). And interestingly enough the 125 is 10cm higher (that is for 2 yamaha 09 bikes). I do remember one year of the CRF250s were about 92kg. But apparently unbiased brand Aaron said they are gay LOL!!

If you want bigger wheels and usable power that you can use I really think that a 4 smoker will be better for you. Personally I think that you'll find a 125 a bigger version of your current headaches.

What hight is your inseam on your leg too BTW. Might be easier to work out ideal heights from manufacturers specs etc.

[4stroke]

Actually they do the WR125 in NZ :), Damon's on one. Though maybe still to tall, Cassidy ( Damon/Mitchell's sister ) is riding one & going good & Cass is not that tall.

Being more serious, a KX450F would be interesting, but hey go the full hog, get a Husky TXC510 just that bit extra horsepower for when you need to tow a horse float or pull a small house off it's foundations.

oh i thought they didnt bring the wr125 in, but mint if they do i recon, gives a few more options of a bikes

[SpikedPunch]

So Sacha, are you really confused now?


Yup! :)
28" Inseam...Midgey as. I'm not really keen on a 4 stroke. Prefer having the mainenance of a 2t, plus I prefer them to ride. Of course, my whole four stroke experience has been the dr-z 125 and lumpy, our old '83 honda, so not the best examples. But I like 2 strokes, what can I say!

[Buddy L]

Just to point out that Japan did do 125 endro bikes

KDX 125
RMX 125
Rather dated now

Ive seen a couple of KDX125's zinging around.

A brand new WR125 would be my next bike for shore. :)

[laserracer]

OK stop looking i found the perfect bike it has everything http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283345952.htm

[rogerh]

The pamperas are good for absolute beginner riders, they are basically a trials bike engine in a trails bike frame with a subframe and full plastics.
So as such, if you put a 100kg rider on it and ride it hard ie. jumps, they have been known to break frames.

Just a few more comments on the Pampera. We have one here my wife rides. It actually is an enduro type frame, but very light weight, and I would imagine they would break with a heavy rider, or being ridden hard. But its biggest weak point from my perspective is a relatively crap rear shock. You could upgrade it, but then the frame would get a harder time.

As stated, really good for beginners, really confidence inspiring for new riders, and very forgiving to ride (great engine, trials low down, but up in the revs, it is a real two stroke) but as your riding improves, the suspenders will quickly become a limitation. Also a bit hard for lighter people to kick start, but I have heard there is a mod you can do to the head to put a simple de-compressor in.

Good for low speed technical riding (good practice bike for skills sharpening), but it will never be a high speed machine. The engine will do it (140k's if you want!) but the frame and suspension wont. It shows its trials background. I believe it was actually designed for motorcycle soccer use in Spain. Go figure....

Bike looks like it was pretty hurriedly put together, as the finish is not great, but hey, I drink the orange cool aide! Good bike for the right rider though.

PM me if you want to ride this one to see. I could bring up up there some time (jolly roosta?), or you are welcome to come down here.

[tommorth]

OK stop looking i found the perfect bike it has everything http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283345952.htm

damn that looks like a good toy especaliy with the autoclutch setup on it

[Reckless]

Is it just me or are GasGas owners starting to sound a bit like KTM owners gg this gg that oh there is nothing better than a gg oh you couldnt pass up on a gg hell dont worry if the frame breaks youll still own a gg i dont know could just be me maybe ???????????


No im just saying that people seam to get on a bike they like and thats all they are prepared to push on to people (not everyone of course) and this mostly seam to be KTM riders and starting to look like GG riders are heading the same way. And yes all honda riders are GAY geeee where have you been


No not really just get sick a people who just harp on about one brand over and over hell i ride a yami but dont go on and on about it there are a ton of options not just what you (meaning who ever is posting )rides as a brand just cuaue you think it great dosnt mean its the best brand or bike .

I've just skimmed the thread and didn't see one post where anyone harped on and on about their own bike or brand, 99% are recommending other bikes, offering rides for Spikes benefit and two posts are offering bikes they have for sale which they think might fit the bill. All posts seem to be peoples genuine opinion on what they think might fit or modified to fit and 98% are brands they don't ride. Some 2stroke die hards even recommending 4 strokes, I don't get what your Issue is at all???
The only negative posts are the ones quoted above so perhaps the problem is more yours than what you accuse. I only write this because I feel you aren't being at all fair regarding this thread!

[rogerh]

OK stop looking i found the perfect bike it has everything http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283345952.htm

Now that it a good machine! Shame it is not cheaper. 11 yr old son has an older 80, and it is an awsome machine, but none of the fruit that one has....

[Reckless]

OK stop looking i found the perfect bike it has everything http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283345952.htm

Yeh agree with Tommorth, good find Lazer, there is some trick gear on that thing, as long as it has a bit of low torque it would make an awsome woods bike I reckon!!

Getting back on topic though its probably still got a 980 or so seat height, the 150XC recommended earlier also has a 985mm seat height as well, far to tall although the Yammy 144 does have a linkage that can be modified. Both bikes also way out of Spikes budget so we better keep to the bikes she can afford I reckon!

So back concentrating on Sikpunches wishes, low seat, two stroke for trail riding.
Just looked at the GG125ec specs that has a 945mm seat height and a linkage set up, so easily lowered, and its a smoker like Spike wants, whats it like for torque compared to your 200ec or say my 200exc Noobi or IIIRRII? Will it putt over a sand hill climb in 2nd or 3rd and not stall as I haven't ridden one? she doesn't want to but bigger problems than her Rm100 already has and that the good old KDX might cure.

[Rupe]

Yup! :)
28" Inseam...Midgey as. I'm not really keen on a 4 stroke. Prefer having the mainenance of a 2t, plus I prefer them to ride. Of course, my whole four stroke experience has been the dr-z 125 and lumpy, our old '83 honda, so not the best examples. But I like 2 strokes, what can I say!

a moden 4stroke would be a 100% different than a drz125. The mx ones are way lighter, and snappier. On the maintenace side of things my kxf is now on 185hrs on original valves etc and going strong.I'm finding that it's costing me well over half the amount per year to run than my 2stroke gasgas I had. I personally find it needs less $ spent to keep it running 100%, so don't let the old shitter 4strokes put you off.

Like I said earlier you just need to ride a few different bikes till something clicks for you...the jolly roosta sounds like it would be perfect for you to do this. Then you can get what works for you not someone else.

[Reckless]

a moden 4stroke would be a 100% different than a drz125. The mx ones are way lighter, and snappier. On the maintenace side of things my kxf is now on 185hrs on original valves etc and going strong.I'm finding that it's costing me well over half the amount per year to run than my 2stroke gasgas I had. I personally find it needs less $ spent to keep it running 100%, so don't let the old shitter 4strokes put you off.

Like I said earlier you just need to ride a few different bikes till something clicks for you...the jolly roosta sounds like it would be perfect for you to do this. Then you can get what works for you not someone else.

Your probably right there Rupe about the 4 stroke power delivery its just we get a bit scared when we hear that Telliman spent 3k getting his crf250f up to scratch and I know GTAE just spent 2k getting his top end done as he was running it in at Ardmore 4 weeks ago. And I'm pretty sure SPike and Krad would have to pay a shop to work on a 4 stroke if they had one. I know that probably sounds very contadictory from me as I put forward the CRF150r as an option but at least she has them all to consider LOL!!!

Ah well I think that probably about covers all the options for her and your 100% correct she'll just have to go ride ride ride now!!!

[Jinxycat]

acording to the blurb this is the shizzle, could be the one? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-279954251.htm

[honda_power]

Just to point out that Japan did do 125 endro bikes

KDX 125
RMX 125
Rather dated now


Ive seen a couple of KDX125's zinging around.

A brand new WR125 would be my next bike for shore. :)

they made yz125wr's and cre125's, they were just never bought into nz

[Reckless]

I goggled a promo on Silver bullet in 2004. http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/news.php?id=2969

[tommorth]

acording to the blurb this is the shizzle, could be the one? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-279954251.htm


haha those things are almost indestructable not much in the way of brakes or suspension though

[little.whittle]

What about a gas gas pampera? nice and low and easy to manage power http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-282505085.htm

[Ktmboy]

Jeez little, get with the play.

[B0000M]

lol. only 2 days late!

how come nobody has ever mentioned the pampera until this thread though?

[cheese]

Your probably right there Rupe about the 4 stroke power delivery its just we get a bit scared when we hear that Telliman spent 3k getting his crf250f up to scratch and I know GTAE just spent 2k getting his top end done as he was running it in at Ardmore 4 weeks ago. And I'm pretty sure SPike and Krad would have to pay a shop to work on a 4 stroke if they had one. I know that probably sounds very contadictory from me as I put forward the CRF150r as an option but at least she has them all to consider LOL!!!

Ah well I think that probably about covers all the options for her and your 100% correct she'll just have to go ride ride ride now!!!

Adams YZF is becuase he is didn't bother with any maintenance! Aye Adam!! LOL And Tellimans was an old second hand bike that who knew the history.

I seriously think that you should have a go on a 250 4 smoker. And I'm pro 2 strokes!!

[SpikedPunch]

Not that I can afford one, but those new 250 efi zooks look slick as... :)
I wont rule em out completely :p

[SpikedPunch]

I'm currently looking at kx250fs on trademe....Damnit.

[L Rider]

I'm currently looking at kx250fs on trademe....Damnit.

I'm keen to try one of those when its my turn to upgrade. The weight of them compared to me scares me a little though

[SpikedPunch]

Only 5kg heaver than the kx125 (according to bikez.com, anyway) not too bad :0
I'd just have to make my own ring a ding ding noises I guess.

[L Rider]

Is that all! I had never looked into it just "assumed" they'd weigh alot more. What does a KX250 weigh in comparison to a KX125 then?

[SpikedPunch]

Same here, until like 5 mins ago! :) Just proves you can't beleive everything you hear, haha.
Ok, I'm looking at '07's (cause I'm looking at 2nd hand bikes) apparently the kx125 is 87.0 kg dry and the kx250 is 92.5 kg dry.

[L Rider]

What years were you looking at? KX125 is 87kg, KX250 97kg, KX250F 104kg

[Reckless]

Adams YZF is becuase he is didn't bother with any maintenance! Aye Adam!! LOL And Tellimans was an old second hand bike that who knew the history.

I seriously think that you should have a go on a 250 4 smoker. And I'm pro 2 strokes!!

Thats the problem cheese if she's looking in the 4-5k bracket she has to be really careful not to buy a bike with those sort of issues, a 2smoker with issues is never going to cost that much.
But I agree with you the power delivery of a 4 stroke would suit her well. I'm the same as you and have been suggesting for her to have a go on a 4 stroke as well, even just to feel the difference for herself.
Maybe Rupe might let her have a go on his KXF but what ever loner spikedpunch has a go on is going to be far to tall. Ah well all the options are out there now up to them to ride and shop. LOL!!!
I think I've said enough LOL!!!

[SpikedPunch]

s'ok, I've ridden bikes that are too tall for me before. I just need a good stump/tree to stop by or someone to catch me. Once I did ride Krad's bike into the side of some strangers trailer after a quick loop to the old carpark and back, but to be fair it really looked like our one..Haha.
I think if I look into a 250f mxer I'd be wanting something that's been recently rebuilt right? Cause the bikes I'd be looking at wouldn't be super new.

[krad_nz]

Don't worry if the loner is too tall, I step up to the plate and take one for the team. Don't want anyone to feel left out you know.

[krad_nz]

Don't worry if the loner is too tall, I'll step up to the plate and take one for the team.
Wouldn't want anyone to feel left out, you know.

[L Rider]

I think I've said enough LOL!!!

I find your posts a great read - loads of info & different options that are "real" options not just suggestions that are outta the question.

[Rupe]

s'ok, I've ridden bikes that are too tall for me before. I just need a good stump/tree to stop by or someone to catch me. Once I did ride Krad's bike into the side of some strangers trailer after a quick loop to the old carpark and back, but to be fair it really looked like our one..Haha.
I think if I look into a 250f mxer I'd be wanting something that's been recently rebuilt right? Cause the bikes I'd be looking at wouldn't be super new.

Yep your more then welcome to have a go (on a bend it mend it basis of course). The weight thing is not much of a differance. My 07 kx250f to me feels heavier than a 125, about the same as a 250cc 2stroke mx, and way lighter than a kdx (find these real top heavy). I paid $4500 over a year ago, then did the top end which cost around $250-300 i think all up. I did the work myself with a workshop manual and it was easy, no more probs than doing a 2stroke for the first time.


Sounds like you might get to try a few different options, hope that clears things up for you as it's important to get a bike you feel confident on and causes you the least hassle what ever it is.

[Reckless]

I find your posts a great read - loads of info & different options that are "real" options not just suggestions that are outta the question.

Ha you mean I talk to much and your correct! LOL!!! in the bedroom--options galore LOL!!

[SpikedPunch]

Thanks! Will take you up on that :) I find the kdx top heavy too. I don't think doing a top end at home would be impossible between me and krad if we had a workshop manual. We managed with the rm alright, just have to learn some new skills I guess.
Well, maybe. I still don't know what I'm getting...:)!

[krad_nz]

I'd have a crack at a 4/. I mean if Aaron can do it then anyone can right? :innocent:

Actually, he'd be the first person I'd call if I got into trouble. :shifty:

[Buddy L]

I'll be at the jolly roosta, so by bike will be there if you wanted a turn, its pretty much the sames as rupes. But your nacker and stuck in a bog, i'll wish i was riding a RMKX100...

[B0000M]

i wouldnt reccommend a 250 4 stroke to spikedpunch, not only are they taller and heavier, they also feel heavier due to the inertia and high centre of gravity.

having had the dramas of a mrs who is too small for a 250f, who is of similar size, its not something i would do again. however the 85s/100s arent a good trail bike either.

my vote would be the 200exc with as many loweing mods as possible. - and im not a ktm fan.

[Pornstar]

A little lateral thinking is whats needed boys, touching the ground problem solved.

[Reckless]

i wouldnt reccommend a 250 4 stroke to spikedpunch, not only are they taller and heavier, they also feel heavier due to the inertia and high centre of gravity.

having had the dramas of a mrs who is too small for a 250f, who is of similar size, its not something i would do again. however the 85s/100s arent a good trail bike either.

my vote would be the 200exc with as many loweing mods as possible. - and im not a ktm fan.

Good advice from someone thats been there and riden my 200exc.
The only problem with the exc is it has no linkage B000M. I'm not sure you could take a 100mm (or more) out of the seat height to fit Spikepunch without fiting another shock or altering the mounting position. But a call to Danger at proride would solve that question. Perfect engine though, with a turn or so out of the power valve to make it more docile. The 08 model year on where they recarbed it (38-36mm) and softened the power delivery and added the dual curve ignition to make it climb and grip in the mud better would be best if it can be lowered that much??? The 08 probably out of her price bracket but we did the above to my sons bike effectivly enough, turning the pwer up as he learnt more, he's on full power now but it was a good tool to have.
I just measured his Bike in the garage its about 940-950mm to the top of the seat you could cut 40mm out of the seat or get a stepped seat?? The rest is up to Danger at Proride. I suggest taking the above measurement, measure your Rm100 and come up with a figure you want achieve then see if Danger can achieive it with the suspension that will eliminate or include the 200exc as an option.

I have an 03 and an 08 I'm happy to turn the power valve back (it only takes a minute) and let her have a go on either if she wants. I'll try and make it to the Jolly Roger if I can???

[FlangMasterJ]

Found it: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-283367130.htm

Throw on a step seat and you're away.

[Ride it till the red]

My advice is that whenever you go to look at bikes wear your boots, altho you probably do already.....
Bought a new bike this week while only wearing shoes and could barely touch the ground one foot at a time. Got home and jumped on the current bike to compare and realised it's just as bloody high but I'd never considered it until now. However chuck a pair of boots on and I'm much more at home. Thicker sole and large front means the best part of an inch in extra reach.... Could be the difference between yay and nay for you.

[FlangMasterJ]

^ You going to post some pics of your new ride?

[Ride it till the red]

There ya go Flang, my 2 beauties as at today. Pity 1 has to go!

[B0000M]

shes not a big girl. 65~kg dry to 105~ kg dry is a huge step up in weight plus inertia. add the size difference.... no good

[FlangMasterJ]

There ya go, my 2 beauties as at today. Pity 1 has to go!

Sweet. Already got your numbers on.

[Ride it till the red]

Sweet. Already got your numbers on.

Yeap, now I can't wait for the weekend to give her a thrashing!

Anyway, back to SpikedPunch. Sacha, a friends GF has been learning to ride with us over the last few months and she's a similar size to you.
She was started on a TTR230 purely because it was there not being used and could be loaned to her. It was perfect, reasonable seat height, useable power and best of all electric start.... Now as you know they aren't that light, but it's a huge advantage just hitting a button as opposed to trying to kick a bike after struggling to get it upright.
She's gotten rather good lately and the TTR is getting a bit behind her (as it would be behind you I'd say) and has now been out for two rides on a yammy WR250 as thats also just sitting there not being used. The WR has been lowered (only a little) in the suspension but hasn't had a seat cut and it is otherwise standard. Now apart from struggling with the height a little still (it could be taken further down if it were hers) she is handling the bike very well. The WR has very useable power and a great gear selection. It's suspension and brakes are good without being rock hard MX spec and it's a good fullsize bike which I imagine could be taken low enough to suit you. The only problem is it's what you would call heavy..... But D has handled it fine as once your going the weight doesn't even feel like it's there. Picking it up is doable for her for most of the day (until she's really knackered) and as with the TTR it's great just hitting a button to start once it's up.

An option I'd look into.... and for what it's worth, 4 strokes aren't expensive to run or maintain (I've made the leap to the dark side as you know) especially trail spec ones such as the WR and between the 3 of you I'm sure a rebuild wouldn't be too much drama if it was ever needed.

[cheese]

i wouldnt reccommend a 250 4 stroke to spikedpunch, not only are they taller and heavier, they also feel heavier due to the inertia and high centre of gravity.

having had the dramas of a mrs who is too small for a 250f, who is of similar size, its not something i would do again. however the 85s/100s arent a good trail bike either.

my vote would be the 200exc with as many loweing mods as possible. - and im not a ktm fan.

Yeah but that was a CRF250x which is hondas KDX! compare Aarons CRF250R and they feel much lighter.

Sacha, might be cheaper to go down this road http://www.addinchestoheight.com/surgery_to_increase_height.html

So a short list I guess is

EC125 lowered
KDX and beef up so you can lift the 2 ton beast.
250 MX 4 stroke.
125 MX bike with a flywheel weight.
Gas Gas Pampera

Maybe a 200 EXC with some crazy ass lowering set up in the rear shock.

I'm sure I've left heaps off the list.

[honda_power]

im not sure what the issues with the 100 are... iv never met or ridden with spikedpunch, but i don't see why a new bike is needed.

-Fix the wonky kickstart
-Not sure what you mean about "mystery ailments"
-Small wheels... no offense, but you are small yourself, and a bike with big wheels is too tall standard. Theres kids that absolutely fly on their 85's, so it can be done.
-Hills... If you want the "tractor factor" you end up with a heavier/bigger bike or a 4 stroke. Doesnt matter how heavy a flywheel weight you put on it, a 125 likes to scream and has naff all bottom end power. I think a 125 will just create more problems (height) and a couple extra kg's with no gain.

250 4 strokes feel noticeably heavier than 125's or even 250 2T's.

I think you should just learn to make the 100 scream up the hills and save ya some cash!

[SpikedPunch]

Yeah but that was a CRF250x which is hondas KDX! compare Aarons CRF250R and they feel much lighter.

Sacha, might be cheaper to go down this road http://www.addinchestoheight.com/surgery_to_increase_height.html

So a short list I guess is

EC125 lowered
KDX and beef up so you can lift the 2 ton beast.
250 MX 4 stroke.
125 MX bike with a flywheel weight.
Gas Gas Pampera

Maybe a 200 EXC with some crazy ass lowering set up in the rear shock.

I'm sure I've left heaps off the list.
I once watched a documentary about a midget who had that surgery performed. Looked horrifying! :shit:
Yup, that's the shortlist pretty much! I'm gonna check out the ec on Saturday and see how that goes. I'm also gonna go back on what I said about not riding the 100 ever again, since krad wants to go to dome valley and I can't pass up on that since I've never been before! So I'll play around on the kdx some more while I'm there. So if any of you kind people have who have offered me a go on their bikes are out at dome this weekend, I'm the short, brown haired girl in pink/black/white shift gear.

[Rupe]

I once watched a documentary about a midget who had that surgery performed. Looked horrifying! :shit:
Yup, that's the shortlist pretty much! I'm gonna check out the ec on Saturday and see how that goes. I'm also gonna go back on what I said about not riding the 100 ever again, since krad wants to go to dome valley and I can't pass up on that since I've never been before! So I'll play around on the kdx some more while I'm there. So if any of you kind people have who have offered me a go on their bikes are out at dome this weekend, I'm the short, brown haired girl in pink/black/white shift gear.

Prob be there sun, come say hi

[SpikedPunch]

I think you should just learn to make the 100 scream up the hills and save ya some cash!
I've put that little bike up some pretty decent hills. Sometimes screaming up, sometimes on the back wheel with my legs going everywhich way clutching the hell out of it, but what it comes down to is even tho I can make the 100 do certain things, it doesn't really want to. I like it in tight stuff, and I like it at harrisville, but when it gets down to some situations, I'm finding the limits of it's potential (I don't at all think I'm outriding it, it's just that it falls short on some things, like hillclimbs). It's a good bike - almost perfect! (Wouldn't want to talk down a bike I'm selling, haha) But a bike with big wheels feels soooo much better over the woops. I've had it just over a year and it's been good, a real good transition from my first bike (dr-z 125) but I'm ready to move on now.
I get that a bike with more tractor factor will be bigger/heavier...That's kind of the point. A bigger bike :p

[SpikedPunch]

Prob be there sun, come say hi

Sweet, seeyou there! :)

[cheese]

So what bikes did you try at the dome?

[SpikedPunch]

Just rode mine and Rupe's two fiddy. Tried the gas gas ec125 too at Noob's place on Saturday. GG Felt pretty similar to my bike but more low end and taller. Wasn't too tall tho, and neither was the 250 surprisingly! I would still need to lower both, but not by tons I don't think. Both of them I could stop on flat and not fall over. 250 was like, man, as different as it gets! Found it not too bad to start which was surprising. I went round 3 times on the mx track at dome on it. I'm really not used to riding a four stroke. I think it would be a big change for me, but not necessarily a bad thing. I just didn't really know what to do with the throttle haha. Was so much gruntier than my bike, when I hopped back on mine afterwards it felt kind of tinny and hollow. Still fun though. The 100 was running really well today, kind of annoyingly, better than it crapping out tho! I think with the 100 I feel like I'm going faster, but on the 250 (same thing with the kdx when I've ridden it, according to krad) I'd actually go faster.
I really wanna try a 125 mxer now :) Just outta curiosity!

[cheese]

I had a spin on Graces 125 today. That bike feels so nice and new. I found it awkward to ride though. I had just jumped off my 250 though.... LOL

I really did think that you would be surprised by the 250 4. I think that for all round usable power you will find the 250 better. Shave the seat and lower the linkages and you'll be away.

[cheese]

I had a spin on Graces 125 today. That bike feels so nice and new. I found it awkward to ride though. I had just jumped off my 250 though.... LOL

I really did think that you would be surprised by the 250 4. I think that for all round usable power you will find the 250 better. Shave the seat and lower the linkages and you'll be away.

[SpikedPunch]

It was just sooo different to my bike, like quite alien, even though it was obviously a way smoother power delivery, I was riding it kinda jerkily because I'm not really used to a throttle that tapers off rather than off/on. So it wasn't exactly love at first ride, more like 'Hmm, I could make this work, maybe' :) It did feel good to ride something more powerful though. I sort of started to get the hang of cornering it just on my last lap, since it was a really different centre of gravity, and I didn't want to really throw myself into it and crash it, haha.
How did you like the 125 in the sand? Was it the handling that was awkward or the power delivery?

[cheese]

Its just you have to "fang" it more on the 125. Especially hauling my 85kg ass around. Absolutely no bottom end either.

[cheese]

Oh and the 4 strokes, they are weird at first. On a 2 stroke you get on the gas, then coast. On a 4 stroke, get on the gas, if you let off its massive engine braking! So you have to retrain yourself a bit to keep on the gas all the time.

Also as Rupe might have said the throttle is weird to use too. His "use it like a screwdriver" method works well.

[SpikedPunch]

Oh and the 4 strokes, they are weird at first. On a 2 stroke you get on the gas, then coast. On a 4 stroke, get on the gas, if you let off its massive engine braking! So you have to retrain yourself a bit to keep on the gas all the time.

Also as Rupe might have said the throttle is weird to use too. His "use it like a screwdriver" method works well.
Ah yup, that's what the problem was, the engine braking! I remember when I moved from the DR-Z to the RM I was so scared of riding a bike with 'no' engine braking (I think it's got plenty myself! :p). But I'm really used to it now.

[cheese]

yeah it would be quick to get used to.

[Rupe]

Ah yup, that's what the problem was, the engine braking! I remember when I moved from the DR-Z to the RM I was so scared of riding a bike with 'no' engine braking (I think it's got plenty myself! :p). But I'm really used to it now.

Thats why I thought it was good to try. Some like it, others don't. I found it strange at first, but my ridding got much better than it ever was on a 2stroke after a short while, now when I jump on a 2stroke I over shoot corners and have no control haha. Go try a 125cc mx bike now, comming from a 100cc and not weighing much it might have enough bottom end to keep you happy.

[SpikedPunch]

Thats why I thought it was good to try. Some like it, others don't. I found it strange at first, but my ridding got much better than it ever was on a 2stroke after a short while, now when I jump on a 2stroke I over shoot corners and have no control haha. Go try a 125cc mx bike now, comming from a 100cc and not weighing much it might have enough bottom end to keep you happy.
That's what's got me thinking - I really like the 100 cause it's peaky and peppy and fun to ride and manhandle since it's so little, but I think maybe on a 250, once I got used to it, I would ride better. Maybe an enduro-y 200 2t would be the best of both worlds. Still gotta try an mx 125 anyway :)

[laserracer]

Hey spikey have you checked out the thumpette forum on thumpertalk ? lots of short gals talking about which bikes suit them best

[Midget200]

That's what's got me thinking - I really like the 100 cause it's peaky and peppy and fun to ride and manhandle since it's so little, but I think maybe on a 250, once I got used to it, I would ride better. Maybe an enduro-y 200 2t would be the best of both worlds. Still gotta try an mx 125 anyway :)

Hey there! Just to let you know that I cut about 2 inches out of the kickstart on the KDX200 and it's mint! Thanks to CLMINTIE and the other person off here that suggested it! Maybe Krad will let you cut his kickstart down when you're having a ride on his bike! It's awesome, you don't have to get your leg as high and it still kicks over! Might now get the 125 kickstart as suggested! Definitely have a ride at the Jolly Roosta. Next thing for me will be a lighter pipe and maybe 125 front forks which will make the suspension better! Go the KDX200!!!

[SpikedPunch]

Hey spikey have you checked out the thumpette forum on thumpertalk ? lots of short gals talking about which bikes suit them best

Sure do, that's where I learnt about the mighty KX/RM 100 many moons ago. They're pretty popular on there.

[SpikedPunch]

I rode the kdx all day today at the Sandpit. I didn't find the weight too bad, did get a bit annoying after dropping it about 50000 times though. I don't really like the forks, they seemed to shake a lot? I dunno, I ended up riding back home on the klx300 and liked the suspension a lot more on that. I was going fast along a straight sandy woopy bit and the KDX started shaking around a lot at the front, and next thing I knew I was ejected 5m in front of the bike. Landed on the top of my back and then head really hard. Had an off on headache since and feel really weak and a bit dizzy and it hurts a bit to turn my neck. Fucking glad I had my brace on. I wrecked the KDX's front fender pretty well and I think I need a new helmet now. We went and looked at where the tire tracks stopped for the bike and there was a big hidden root on a nice slidey angle there. Stink.
I rode the klx300 home and it was being on an armchair or a tractor haha. Pretty easy to ride. I think I might end up being most comfortable on something similar to what I have already. People talk about the powerband being bad but I kind of like that readily available power. On the other hand, I shouldnt discount other bikes as being bad because they're different to ride.
Interesting day, anyway.

[krad_nz]

I was following behind you. It was an excellent high side. Pretty spectacular. Flew a good 4-5m.
KDX has a steep rake angle. This gives good turn in, but reduces high speed stability. The bars wobble around a fair bit at speed, but I'm used to it. Also, my bars are setup for me, and I'm tall and lanky. Probably didn't help things.

I rode my brothers KLX300 while SPunch was on my KDX. I have to say that it has heaps better suspension, really noticeable coming from the KDX.

However, the throttle requires an additional 10-15deg of rotation to get to wide open throttle compared to any other dirt bike I've been on. Weird. Also CV carb sucks, delayed throttle response really bothered me. It has no snap at all. The weight was quite noticeable too. I don't think its much different on paper, but wow, feels much heavier to ride. In my opinion the KDX is the better bike in every respect other than the front end suspension. Such a shame really.

For a beginner either bike would do, the KLX is probably more forgiving, but would start to hold the rider back after a year or two. Time to upgrade by then anyway! KDX suffers from bad front end, but after a couple of years this starts to hold the rider back too. Time to upgrade.

[laserracer]

we had an 05 klx 300 that had a flat slide carb on it and a host of other mods .. wasnt a speed demon in a straught line..but wasnt really slow either. but give it some tight singletrack or a steep hill and it was in its element...and oh yeah was like riding a comfy couch...i kinda miss it.. now a klx engine and suspension in a mx frame would be kinda different

[SpikedPunch]

RM sold today, gone in three days since listing it, pretty stoked! Time to get serious about finding the next one :)

[cheese]

Crikey that was fast. How much did you get for mellow yellow?

[SpikedPunch]

2gs. I bought it for $2500 over a year ago and it's been pretty well used since then, so not too bad. Wanted a quick sale and I got it :)