Undertaken by a Scooter...

[slofox]

So I had fuelled up and was heading out Rifle Range Road to make the trip to Raglan for a morning coffee. Pootling along, 55k on the clock, just steady, no rush etc etc...:ride:

Ears pick up a buzzing noise - like a wasp in a tin..."wazzat?" I asks meself...it's near my left ear.
Bugger me, along the cycle lane on my left comes a little scooter - squeezes past just before the intersection...:scooter:

Well I was a little surprised I guess...not often I get passed on the left on a single lane road...:blink: I wondered why he didn't just pass on the right in the approved fashion..?

Followed him through the roundabout, just sat behind him and watched the little buzzer buzz its way along. He exited stage left while I continued on round...:bye:

I wondered if it had made his day, or whether he did it all the time or just what? :shifty:

He was a little lucky I suppose that I hadn't been planning a left turn at the intersection...but then he would have seen the indimicator wouldn't he and not gone past...maybe... 'cause I sure as hell didn't expect him there...:crazy:

Perchance I should monitor the left mirror more...:blip: (or stay awake when riding...)

[JimO]

scooter riders live by a different code

[allycatz]

scooter riders live by a different code

We do??????

[MarkH]

I live by my own code!

Being undetaken by a scooter is nothing though. I was pootling along at around 50kph and got undertaken by a fuckin' VAN! Serves me right for not sitting on 60kph in a 50 zone I suppose.

[Big Dave]

Last one that did it to me was wearing Jandals, shorts and a singlet. I thought that was excellent.

[slofox]

I was pootling along at around 50kph and got undertaken by a fuckin' VAN!

Last time for me it was a car. Driven by a large lady who looked as though she might have been born in some hotter clime, judging by her suntan...

I must have been half asleep this morning - I didn't even see this dude coming. And when I got to Raglan, I missed the fact that there was a major fire burning down at the wharf - even though I wondered where all the smoke was coming from - and why, on the way home, there were fire trucks and ambos etc heading out from The Tron...

I think I'm having a "durrrrrrrrrr" day...:drool:

[The Everlasting]

scooter riders live by a different code

Really? I own a bike and a scoot...haven't heard of any secret scooter codes.

[spajohn]

scooter riders live by a different code

So do quite a few cyclists I've seen...

[Blackflagged]

So I had fuelled up and was heading out Rifle Range Road to make the trip to Raglan for a morning coffee. Pootling along, 55k on the clock, just steady, no rush etc etc...:ride:

Ears pick up a buzzing noise - like a wasp in a tin..."wazzat?" I asks meself...it's near my left ear.
Bugger me, along the cycle lane on my left comes a little scooter - squeezes past just before the intersection...:scooter:

Well I was a little surprised I guess...not often I get passed on the left on a single lane road...:blink: I wondered why he didn't just pass on the right in the approved fashion..?

Followed him through the roundabout, just sat behind him and watched the little buzzer buzz its way along. He exited stage left while I continued on round...:bye:

I wondered if it had made his day, or whether he did it all the time or just what? :shifty:

He was a little lucky I suppose that I hadn't been planning a left turn at the intersection...but then he would have seen the indimicator wouldn't he and not gone past...maybe... 'cause I sure as hell didn't expect him there...:crazy:
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Perchance I should monitor the left mirror more...:blip: (or stay awake when riding...)

Not sure whats the speed limit on rifle range road? Even push bikes can do 55kms so it would pay for you to check the cycle lane, before a Left turn.
Use to say in the road code, always keep as far left as possible,especially when cruising. This is courteous driving (Not enforced or seen much now).
How did a car pass you on the left,on a single lane road?That means there was at least a car width between you and the gutter.

[toycollector10]

I've been undertaken twice in the last three years. The first time was my fault for not being more aware of what was happening behind me and the second time I watched as the guy in the people mover went on by on the inside.

The worst instance of this sort of crap was when I was about number four in a queue of cars stopped at a pedestrian crossing near a school. Scooter Clown comes through on the inside and blasts right over the crossing with people on it. Unbelievably ignorant use of the road.

[Big Dave]

Really? I own a bike and a scoot...haven't heard of any secret scooter codes.

Not what you mean - but there is a basis for it.
All small capacity engines operate by the code of conservation of momentum, to some degree, in traffic.

[mattian]

I saw a scooter rider in the central city, pull up to a red light hop off, and push his scooter through the intersection with all of the paedestrians crossing with the lights.

bloody outrageous.

[Oakie]

Bugger me, along the cycle lane on my left comes a little scooter - squeezes past just before the intersection...:scooter:

(or stay awake when riding...)

Yep. That's happened to me on more than one occasion.

[davebullet]

We do??????

You obviously have NO idea..... ATGATT and ettiquette for example.

[mrchips]

How inconsiderate. Did you, you know........................... wave ?

[Ender EnZed]

Did he wave?

[howdamnhard]

Ha,ha you must really be SLOW, Slowfox . Seriously though I really hate undertakers ( unpredictable).

[Jonathan]

I saw a scooter rider in the central city, pull up to a red light hop off, and push his scooter through the intersection with all of the paedestrians crossing with the lights.

bloody outrageous.

What's wrong with that? Not like he is going to knock a pedestrian over walking beside his scooter.

[swee]

I had a scooter undertake me last year during flowing traffic, 30m down the road a car pulls out to do a u-turn and the scooter slams into the side of it. This has happened to me twice, maybe they're trying to run away from me, or perhaps its just what you get when you ride through Auckland city during peak periods.

[DangerMice]

Dunno about the 'tron but bikes & scoots got every right to be in the bus lane in Auckland. Would anyone complain if a bus passed them on the inside if it was in a bus lane? Nup didn't think so, no different with a scoot.

And Big Dave is right, it is all about conservation of momentum. if someones going even 5k slower than me I'll pass 'em, takes too long to recover that speed back again, especially if we're heading uphill. Even more so with flatspotted rollers lol. (I really should replace those).

[Cayman911]

Scooter riders seem to be "immune" to the forces of machine and nature.

or they are wearing the singlet of all wisdom and protection at the time.

[Bodir]

At least Scooters don't undertake you at a large speed difference. Have been undertaken this weekend at a traffic light. Silly me decided that dark yellow and still at least 50m to the light might be the time to actually stop. So I applied brakes and stayed left. Car in the right lane had the same idea and stopped next to me (in his lane) so far so good. Just before I could put my foot down a car speeds past at least doing 70 kph on my left on the bus lane. Not only just barely missing me, but also running a by now red light. Teaches you to be considerate and brake. That is a lot unsafer these days. :innocent:

[Spearfish]

Of all the near misses that a rider deals with on a daily basis or (triply? bases), nearly being rear ended is the problem I cant seem to find a tactic for.
Filtering helps and not sitting behind a cars stop lights at night makes a difference but but fark its been close sometimes...

[R-Soul]

Scooters somehow think that they are imune to normal rules of the road when it comes to other bikes, like bikes are to cars. Maybe they believe that they are fasterand more manouverable than every other vehicle?

I was at the front of a queue at a red traffic light the other day, and a scoot filters through, goes past ME (and there was space behind me), and pulls in front of me...
WTF? Now if a 'Blade or Busa or other some such hyperbike did that I might understand it, since they can pull off faster than me (maybe), but FFS that thing was justa blockade. That's just damn inconsiderate.

So when the lights turned green, I undertook him... only to be expected I reckon.

[slofox]

Not sure whats the speed limit on rifle range road? Even push bikes can do 55kms so it would pay for you to check the cycle lane, before a Left turn.
Use to say in the road code, always keep as far left as possible,especially when cruising. This is courteous driving (Not enforced or seen much now).
How did a car pass you on the left,on a single lane road?That means there was at least a car width between you and the gutter.

Speed limit on Rifle Range Road is 50km/hr. My indicated 55k would be very close to 50k in reality. (7% over-read on best estimate). And no, I didn't check the cycle lane because I was turning right, not left...

The car undertook on another road altogether and used the large shoulder area of that road to get by in. I was occupying the regular lane in about what I would regard as the "right" place - i.e. right wheel track. The lanes on that particular road are clearly marked. There is only one vehicle lane each way.

[mattian]

What's wrong with that? Not like he is going to knock a pedestrian over walking beside his scooter.

Nothing really wrong with it. Just an observation.

My "bloody outrageous" at the end was more of a sarcastic afterthought.

[The Everlasting]

Not what you mean - but there is a basis for it.
All small capacity engines operate by the code of conservation of momentum, to some degree, in traffic.

Yeah you have a fair point there,I do sometimes try and keep momentum when on the scooter,but not if it's dangerous etc..

[danchop]

some scooters are real fast and can out manouvre and out pace most if not all normal sized bikes around auckland,so a few of them have to be respected

[woodyracer]

Really? I own a bike and a scoot...haven't heard of any secret scooter codes.

Thats because you've been excluded from the elite scooter division :]

[woodyracer]

some scooters are real fast and can out manouvre and out pace most if not all normal sized bikes around auckland,so a few of them have to be respected

mate..my cbr125r can kick any scooters arse around a corner.......scooters handle like roller skates with one wheel missing

[The Everlasting]

mate..my cbr125r can kick any scooters arse around a corner.......scooters handle like roller skates with one wheel missing

Hell yeah,I made the mistake of riding the scooter like the bike,went around a corner and leaned too far,tore the center stand right off...:doh: :laugh:

[The Everlasting]

Thats because you've been excluded from the elite scooter division :]

Haha :scooter: elite....

Who is the commander? :p

[danchop]

i beg to differ from experience

[R-Soul]

some scooters are real fast and can out manouvre and out pace most if not all normal sized bikes around auckland,so a few of them have to be respected

I respect all vehicles, and try to be considerate. I even accept that scooters could be more nimble and hence faster through dense traffic. Frequently I dont filter sas I could not be bothered threading between car mirrors, and am quite happy if scooters go past me and through between the traffic. Each particular scenario needs to be adjudged on its own merits.

But occasionally they get ahead of themselves. I mean really! What was this guy thinking pulling in front of a one litre bike on a straight road, with no traffic ahead? Was it arrogance/force of habit/lack of thought? Either of these is bad, as it means they are switched off in traffic. Whatever it was, it was inconsiderate, as he slowed down my takeoff, and he had no place doing that.

I go to the front of cars on the premise that I take off much faster an dont slow them down at all, and have a small traffic footprint. This guy was just being an asshole.

[mattian]

some scooters are real fast and can out manouvre and out pace most if not all normal sized bikes around auckland,so a few of them have to be respected

I can honestly say that I have never found a gap in the traffic so small that only a scooter could get through and I couldnt, and I'm on a 650. The only advantage a scooter has over a bike is that you can get off and push it through the lights with paedestrains crossing..... but, up to and over the speed limit they're horrible.

[R-Soul]

I can honestly say that I have never found a gap in the traffic so small that only a scooter could get through and I couldnt, and I'm on a 650. The only advantage a scooter has over a bike is that you can get off and push it through the lights with paedestrains crossing..... but, up to and over the speed limit they're horrible.

I am thinking if a gap is too small and the scooter goes sacross the lane to filter down between another lane. It can turn a bit quicker an easier at low speeds. but yes if there is a gap that a scooter can fit, so can I.

[Mom]

Many years ago I very nearly took out a bike cop who was using the shoulder of the Pakuranga Highway as his own personal lane. I was on my bike and it ran out of gas, the fuel tap was stuck and I could not get it on to reserve, so I pulled out of the traffic so I did not get run over, and bugger me about got taken out by a cop whizzing along in the shoulder half lane. Not sure who got the biggest fright actually. Dick head, I did call him out on it, but he just sort of grunted and sped off - this time in the lane marked for traffic to use.

[MarkH]

I was at the front of a queue at a red traffic light the other day, and a scoot filters through, goes past ME (and there was space behind me), and pulls in front of me...
WTF?

Was it a little 50cc scooter?

If it was some sort of new GSXR-1000 scooter that I wasn't aware of then I would understand to some degree, though I wouldn't even push in front of any litre bike even if I was riding one myself.

I move my 400cc scooter in front of cars at the lights, but never in front of bikes - that would just be rude! I would especially not move in front of a 1 litre sports bike - that would be rude & stupid. If I was at the front of the queue at the lights then I would be fine with a litre bike moving in front of me - I doubt it would hold me up! I would be happy to filter up and sit behind a thou 'blade if there was room, then I could leave the cars in my rear view as the 'blade was leaving me in its rear view.

[MarkH]

a cop whizzing along in the shoulder half lane.

I have seen police officers flouting the road rules on plenty of occasions - illegal U-turns, failure to indicate, exceeding the speed limit, running a red light, etc. You would have thought that the upholders of the law would set a better example. It's not like they were in a hurry with lights & sirens going either - the red light runner stopped, nothing was coming so he casually drove through, quite slowly too. Anyone else gets seen by the police doing the same thing and they are getting a ticket.

Of course over 95% of the police I have seen haven't been doing anything wrong at all - but these ones I have noticed breaking the law should definitely know better.

[slofox]

...But occasionally they get ahead of themselves...

I saw one such this morning. Double lanes at the lights, both lanes turning right, then merging to one lane (typical council created bottleneck...).

As I came up through the LH lane I noticed a scooter rider pulled up beside a car in the right lane, apparently giving the driver a stern talking to... judging by the body language...
Lights go green, we all move off, turn right and start the merge process. Scoot comes roaring up the RH lane, zigs in and out of a couple of cars, trying hard to get to the front of the merge I suppose. Now the road is greasy after light rain and there is bitumen bleed everywhere just here. Scoot gets blocked from intended split and slams on brakes...little wheels lock up, scoot goes this way and that for a split second but somehow stays upright...sheer bloody luck I'd say...cars everywhere slamming on brakes to avoid apparently imminent crash...

Upshot was very little advantage to scoot rider at considerable risk to arse. I wonder sometimes what people think they are doing...

[Grasshopperus]

Undertaken?

So he killed you and then buried you 6 feet deep? Damn that scooter rider must be badass.

Overtaken on the left maybe?

[R-Soul]

Was it a little 50cc scooter?

If it was some sort of new GSXR-1000 scooter that I wasn't aware of then I would understand to some degree, though I wouldn't even push in front of any litre bike even if I was riding one myself.

I move my 400cc scooter in front of cars at the lights, but never in front of bikes - that would just be rude! I would especially not move in front of a 1 litre sports bike - that would be rude & stupid. If I was at the front of the queue at the lights then I would be fine with a litre bike moving in front of me - I doubt it would hold me up! I would be happy to filter up and sit behind a thou 'blade if there was room, then I could leave the cars in my rear view as the 'blade was leaving me in its rear view.

Yup a 50cc - that was my reckoning exactly..

[slofox]

Undertaken?

So he killed you and then buried you 6 feet deep? Damn that scooter rider must be badass.



Yeah. The bastard. He did just that. I am typing this from beyond the grave....ooOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

[danchop]

my scooter and many others like it(and ive done over 120000kms in auck traffic over the last 3 years)can get up to 100km/h quite quickly then simpley stop on a dime,spin 180 degrees and be going in the opposite direction,it can filter past cars much faster and with more confidence than a bike,and it will beat a superbike from bottom of queen st to the airport on most occassions,id dare anyone for a race for $100 on a friday at 5.00pm

[R-Soul]

my scooter and many others like it(and ive done over 120000kms in auck traffic over the last 3 years)can get up to 100km/h quite quickly then simpley stop on a dime,spin 180 degrees and be going in the opposite direction,it can filter past cars much faster and with more confidence than a bike,and it will beat a superbike from bottom of queen st to the airport on most occassions,id dare anyone for a race for $100 on a friday at 5.00pm

I am not arguing that they are nimble - just not nimble enough to be arrogant and inconsiderate about it and to stop in front of other bikes.

And of course it does depend to a large extent on how brave (or stupid) the rider is...
but that is not something that you can tell from just looking at the rider.

[chasio]

I am reminded of the time I was next to an SV thou at the Mokoia Road lights. He was at the lights first, I filtered up and stopped next to him (not too close: I was on a 200cc Vespa and I didn't want him to think I was after his arse) and when the lights changed I nailed it as I always do having filtered to the front. As he changed from first to second I was still next to him (I assume he was in no rush) and I saw him do a definite double-take sideways look at me. He promptly lifted the front wheel in the air accelerating downhill while making a fantastic noise. Made me smile as I thought - that looks like fun.

I now ride a bike.

Chasio

PS - Even on my bike I never filter up past another bike - or scooter / moped - and stop in the way. First come, first served if you're on two wheels, I reckon.

[Jonno.]

my scooter and many others like it(and ive done over 120000kms in auck traffic over the last 3 years)can get up to 100km/h quite quickly then simpley stop on a dime,spin 180 degrees and be going in the opposite direction,it can filter past cars much faster and with more confidence than a bike,and it will beat a superbike from bottom of queen st to the airport on most occassions,id dare anyone for a race for $100 on a friday at 5.00pm

I'll beat you anywhere on my fxr. I pass scooters every day on my commute (along with supersports), wobbling around.

[MarkH]

I'll beat you anywhere on my fxr. I pass scooters every day on my commute (along with supersports), wobbling around.

I would imagine an FXR-150 would be a great commuter bike and a darn good lane splitting machine! When I look at the gaps I can squeeze through on my fat scoot I can imagine how much better a thinner lighter bike would be.

[Cayman911]

Hmm i smell the start of a sprint race through the city:rockon:

[R-Soul]

I would imagine an FXR-150 would be a great commuter bike and a darn good lane splitting machine! When I look at the gaps I can squeeze through on my fat scoot I can imagine how much better a thinner lighter bike would be.

but on the other hand it does have a longer wheel base and is not as manouverable....

[slofox]

And of course it does depend to a large extent on how brave (or stupid) the rider is...
but that is not something that you can tell from just looking at the rider.

I don't look at the rider. I look at the rider's behaviour. Like the scoot rider in post #40. No prizes for guessing his IQ...

[PrincessBandit]

......... And when I got to Raglan, I missed the fact that there was a major fire burning down at the wharf - even though I wondered where all the smoke was coming from - and why, on the way home, there were fire trucks and ambos etc heading out from The Tron...


On the homeward leg of our South Island trip Balu says to me (at a petrol stop) "Did you see the mountain?" I go "no, where?" He was talking about Ruapehu in the far far off distance - of course I wasn't looking for a blardy mountain while so far away from it (and it was only a pale blue lump in the distant horizon at the time). Of course I saw it once we were closer.....:blink:

(The big drop in temperature was a give away too)

[The Everlasting]

Speaking of scooters,is it normally accepted to be okay to overtake a scooter on the left,if there is no room to do so on the right?

Have had that happen heaps of times over the last week,they seem to like riding near the right of the lane,when I ride my scooter I always try and stay as far left as possible if I'm gonna to hold up traffic.

[DangerMice]

I'd say it very uncool to pass on the left if its just a normal lane (ie not a bus lane or something), the scoot is just trying to own his/her lane by riding in the right wheel track.

[DangerMice]

Speaking of riding on the left, I saw a guy on a beat up old scoot yesterday riding down Gt. North Rd. He was quite slow, around 40kph, and was far enough left to encourage cars to pass him, but not far enough to make it easy for them. So it was slow going for the cars as they waited for gaps in the RH lane to go around him. The dumb thing (or dumber thing I guess) is that while I'm waiting at the next set of lights, he filtered to the front which made the whole queue of cars go through the same thing all over again once they went green! Sure way to piss off a few cagers and just asking to be passed dangerously.

[R-Soul]

Speaking of riding on the left, I saw a guy on a beat up old scoot yesterday riding down Gt. North Rd. He was quite slow, around 40kph, and was far enough left to encourage cars to pass him, but not far enough to make it easy for them. So it was slow going for the cars as they waited for gaps in the RH lane to go around him. The dumb thing (or dumber thing I guess) is that while I'm waiting at the next set of lights, he filtered to the front which made the whole queue of cars go through the same thing all over again once they went green! Sure way to piss off a few cagers and just asking to be passed dangerously.

Honestly the underpoweredness of scooters is what makes them so damn dangerous to their owners. They should ban 50cc's and make the minimum size engine one that can at least stay with cars. I could not stand being left in amongst teh traffice on a bike every time. I NEED to be out in front in a lot of space.

EDIT: and I say ban them not because of a desire to screw the owners of 50ccs now, but out of a desire for less accidents in the future.

[allycatz]

Honestly the underpoweredness of scooters is what makes them so damn dangerous to their owners. They should ban 50cc's and make the minimum size engine one that can at least stay with cars. I could not stand being left in amongst teh traffice on a bike every time. I NEED to be out in front in a lot of space.

EDIT: and I say ban them not because of a desire to screw the owners of 50ccs now, but out of a desire for less accidents in the future.
It is for that reason I am currently looking for a 200cc scooter. Even in a largely 50k area like the Kapiti coast you feel like a sitting duck if you try to 'own' a piece of the road. I hate sitting on the left cos it feel like you are being forced into parked cars and the like. Plus, if you want to turn right, you then have to cross the lane to make the turn instead of quite legitimately making the turn

[DangerMice]

Honestly the underpoweredness of scooters is what makes them so damn dangerous to their owners. They should ban 50cc's and make the minimum size engine one that can at least stay with cars. I could not stand being left in amongst teh traffice on a bike every time. I NEED to be out in front in a lot of space.

EDIT: and I say ban them not because of a desire to screw the owners of 50ccs now, but out of a desire for less accidents in the future.

I understand your sentiment. I guess the thing is they have that power level because they are required to by law. Perhaps changing the law requiring them to be limited to 50kph should be changed along with requiring the rider to have a bike license, rather than an outright ban, because my scoot does have it purpose. It's small, nippy, quick enough (65kph), has plenty of storage for my work stuff without need a top box and gets me to work cheaply, I love riding it. Sure I'd love a bigger bike but with all the increased costs that entails, a scoot is perfect for me at the moment.

[MarkH]

Honestly the underpoweredness of scooters is what makes them so damn dangerous to their owners. They should ban 50cc's and make the minimum size engine one that can at least stay with cars. I could not stand being left in amongst teh traffice on a bike every time. I NEED to be out in front in a lot of space.

You'd need to ban bicycles as well for the same reason - hell, I wouldn't ride a bicycle in Auckland! I like the fact that I can keep up with traffic (up to 140kph anyway) and can 'own my lane'. I find my four hundy a good mixture of power & economy for city commuting and the >60 litre storage under the seat + 35L in the Givi topbox gives me enough to handle daily tasks & weekly shopping. I can leave the helmet & gloves securely locked in the scooter and walk around the shops without carrying anything.

[R-Soul]

I understand your sentiment. I guess the thing is they have that power level because they are required to by law. Perhaps changing the law requiring them to be limited to 50kph should be changed along with requiring the rider to have a bike license, rather than an outright ban, because my scoot does have it purpose. It's small, nippy, quick enough (65kph), has plenty of storage for my work stuff without need a top box and gets me to work cheaply, I love riding it. Sure I'd love a bigger bike but with all the increased costs that entails, a scoot is perfect for me at the moment.

I fully understand the benefits of them - cheap to buy, cheap to run, good on gas, manouverable. But i dont agree on your sentiments of 65km/hr being enough. The law for the 50cc's should be moved to at least 125 cc bikes - so that the scoot has a fighting chance in traffic. The fact that it cannot get in front of and stay in front of a set of cars at the lights makes it inherently dangerous IMO. Just like you dont see nimble, agile gazelle runnning in amongst a herd of buffalo, so too should bikes not be riding in amongst cars - way too much potential to be crushed.

[Oakie]

Goddammit it happened again today! This time though it was a pushbike that had been fitted with one of those wee engines they sell down here. Heard this demented bumblebee sound a couple of seconds before it got to me then he whizzes past (I was slowing for a Give Way) mounts the foopath then hurtles around the corner and back onto the road again. Going like the clappers and wobbling alarmingly on his standard push bike tyres.

[Berries]

Got undertaken for the first time today. Heading towards a set of lights where I normally filter to the front when I saw a cop car ahead. As the traffic was still moving I pulled in behind him, sitting to the right of the lane so I could see the lights and traffic ahead. Old boy then came past me on the left, half in the lane, half in a cycle lane. I looked at him as he went past and he didn't flinch. Went round him and pulled back in behind the cop but he didn't notice, obviously eating a donut at the time.

I don't have a problem with being undertaken by a motorbike, a scooter would be taking the piss, but I was amazed when I saw this old bloke slide by.

[The Everlasting]

I do agree with the comments raised about 50cc scooters being dangerous because they cannot keep up with the rest of the traffic,I have done around 1300km's on the scooter in the last 6-7 months,haven't had any accidents thank god,but auckland drivers are very aggressive,I have been given the bird on many occasions,because I held up a cage driver for a few seconds,I of course flipped him the bird right back!! I find their aggresiveness and lack of patience really irritating tbh.

There is also the danger of being clipped by a car passing you,especially if there are parked cars on the road.

and there are the cage drivers who just have a negative attitude towards people on scooters,a week ago there was a huge line of traffic at the lights,so i get to the front of the line,and find a space in front of a white Ute,this guy then loses the plot and goes psycho,I felt like decking him tbh,I'm sure someone like that wouldn't hesitate to run a scooter rider of the road.

anyways end of rant..:p