Mother jailed for falsely claiming sexual assault of her daughter.

[spajohn]

This sort of shit really pisses me off. Quite frankly she deserves jail time.

I was told by a cop that about 80% of claims of sexual assault are false (OK, hearsay I know), which really narks me not just for the vindictive women just out to get someone, but also the real victims who don't get their cases given justice due to police being busy on the false ones.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3586713/Mother-jailed-for-her-part-in-hoax

[EJK]

It's Dean's mother!

[Trudes]

Yep I feel sorry for the REAL victims (both women and men) who have to prove their case because of those time wasters/attention whores.

[rustyrobot]

about 80% of claims of sexual assault are false

Holy shit - he must've pulled that figure right out of his arse. I hoped you wiped it off before using it on this forum. The incidents of false claims of sexual assault are incredibly low, especially in comparisson with the media attention they are given.

[spajohn]

Maybe. Doesn't change the facts of this case though.

[Mom]

Yep I feel sorry for the REAL victims (both women and men) who have to prove their case because of those time wasters/attention whores.

Feel doubly sorry for them Trudes, ACC are now requiring them to say they have a mental illness before they can get any councelling. In order to prove that, they have to go and recount the detail of the abuse they have sustained to 3 professionals, and sustain questions about the abuse. Once that is done they then have to say they are mentally unwell.

Anyone that falsely claims to have been sexually abused, or their children have been, deserve no sympathy from the courts, and should serve long periods of time in the company of bubba in a small cell.

[Ronin]

Jesus. Nice to see her Lawyer and Husband blaming everyone else.

Every mans nightmare.

[rustyrobot]

Absolutely.

[PirateJafa]

Anyone that falsely claims to have been sexually abused, or their children have deserve no sympathy from the courts and should served long periods of time in the company of bubba in a small cell.

I like this idea. For a start, they wouldn't need to make "false" claims any more.

The punishment for these people does need to be far worse, to reflect both the "punishment" that the falsely accused undergo even those that are acquitted - in both psychological and financial terms

[Bikernereid]

I find it disgusting that women (and men) make false accusations which tie up the Justice system and that such cases often impact upon real victims not going forward because they believe they wont be believed. But what really gets my goat is making such accusations against someone who is mentally impaired and is more than likely going to find it harder to defend himself especially against 3 people. What would have happened to this poor sod if there hadn't been any video footage and how long would he have got in prison and he would such a person cope having to spend jail time with the stigma of being a 'sex' offender Glad to see that the Justice system does work!!!!

[Ronin]

I like this idea. For a start, they wouldn't need to make "false" claims any more.

The punishment for these people does need to be far worse, to reflect both the "punishment" that the falsely accused undergo even those that are acquitted - in both psychological and financial terms

You know, thinking about it now, I doubt very much that you could ever fully recover from being falsely accused. You would almost be tarred with that brush forever regardless of the truth.

[Bikernereid]

You know, thinking about it now, I doubt very much that you could ever fully recover from being falsely accused. You would almost be tarred with that brush forever regardless of the truth.

This happens too often. And not only is it your good reputation that you lose but you may lose your job and have to move away from loved ones because of the (a) no smoke without fire attitude, (b) vigilante mentality, and (c) need to make a fresh start and try and get on with your life

[onearmedbandit]

It would've been 3-4yrs ago, but I remember reading a piece in the Christchurch Press where it was stated that in the previous 12mths there were over 400 false sexual harrassment cases thrown out. That's more than one guy a day (these were only complaint's against men) whose life is turned upside down. Could be you or me next.

[Bikernereid]

It would've been 3-4yrs ago, but I remember reading a piece in the Christchurch Press where it was stated that in the previous 12mths there were over 400 false sexual harrassment cases thrown out. That's more than one guy a day (these were only complaint's against men) whose life is turned upside down. Could be you or me next.

But you would only get half the time for only groping one boob:-)

[cynna]

"My wife is not a threat to society. She was only a menace."

lol

[EJK]

"My wife is not a threat to society. She was only a menace."

A horse is a horse, of course of course!

[Mom]

You know, thinking about it now, I doubt very much that you could ever fully recover from being falsely accused. You would almost be tarred with that brush forever regardless of the truth.

Once upon a time I owned a bike shop. One day a Policeman came into the shop looking for "one of my staff". He had a nick name, it was Barry*. His real name was Sue*. All our staff had their names embroidered on their uniforms. "One of my staff" had "Barry" on his overalls. The Cop asked for Sue.

I called Sue up from the workshop and the cop promptly arrested him :pinch: The charge? Rape!

Well that was a bit of a shock to the pair of us. He was duely carted off and spent may hours being questioned about raping this spinning female. She told the cops she was raped by "Sue". She knew who he was because he was wearing our shops overalls with his name on them. Well, who was a porky telling, spinning out, un-natural female? This complainant!

*names changed to protect the innocent.

Sue returned to work later in the day, traumatised but in one piece, and no longer under suspicion of rape. The spinner never got charged with anything!

[Oscar]

Holy shit - he must've pulled that figure right out of his arse. I hoped you wiped it off before using it on this forum. The incidents of false claims of sexual assault are incredibly low, especially in comparisson with the media attention they are given.

So you rebut an unsupported claim with another unsupported claim.
He said his was hearsay - where did yours come from?

[Bodir]

I am just thinking, how would you prove your innocence in a case like that. If there are no witnesses on your side, than the opposition can only tangle themselves in lies.

Frightening thought.

[kave]

I knew a guy who spent time in remand on false rape charges, luckily the girl who accused him got caught out by her own lies. I would not be at all suprised if there were a number of guys that have been jailed on false rape charges, I have no faith in our legal system.

[rustyrobot]

So you rebut an unsupported claim with another unsupported claim.
He said his was hearsay - where did yours come from?

I offer as a source: an extensive PHD study by Jan Jordan (you can search the www for it). Her main sources in the NZ Police were members of the Offender Profiling Squad in Auckland, Detective Sergeant Dave Henwood, Detective Inspector Peter Mitford-Burgess, Detective Russell Lamb, Detective Senior Sergeant Mike Arnerich and Detective Sergeant Darrin Thompson.

Her study found that in the year 1997 (the year of focus) of 553 offences investigated by the police, 252 (33%) of them were found to have No Offence Disclosed (N.O.D.). She makes pains to point out that despite being presented this way in various media, N.O.D. did not necessarily mean false complaints and it includes complaints that were withdrawn (with various reasons why that might happen cited in the study) and cases with insufficient evidence.

So, YES there are a number of 'false claims' made each year, and YES it is a horrible thing for any man to go through. What frustrates me though, is how many people on this site jump on these cases and get outraged, without any apparent feeling for the huge number of men and women in New Zealand who are being raped each year.

Conservative estimates are that 70% of rape and sexual assaults go unreported. Ask around. MANY of my female friends have had experiences of sexual assault. Perhaps they fell asleep at parties and were preyed upon. Maybe they stayed at a 'friends' house who decided getting their end off was more important than their friendship. Some got plied with liquor by cowardly men who couldn't be upfront with what they wanted. Quite a few had a dodgy uncle or grandfather or father who couldn't keep his hands to himself. Why aren't you outraged about this? Why are you so defensive about the false claims and the poor men?

The majority of women raped in this country were attacked by someone they know. How crazy is that?

YES, let's be incensed by injustice! But what about some perspective?

[onearmedbandit]

No one is disputing the rapes/sexual assualts that occur on a daily basis in this country, but that's not what this thread is about. What it is about is false complaints.

I

[Hoon]

Holy shit - he must've pulled that figure right out of his arse. I hoped you wiped it off before using it on this forum. The incidents of false claims of sexual assault are incredibly low, especially in comparisson with the media attention they are given.

Sorry I'm with the OP here. I have a few cops mates, they all say the same thing and I'll take their word over a polished piece of paper any day. Yes maybe "investigated" complaints, but this does not include all those that are filtered out at the front desk. Of those, 7 of 8 (one figure a mate gave) are deemed timewasters and don't get any further. Rape complaints in particular seem to range from, chick getting too drunk and cheating on her boyfriend then regretting it, or chick victim of one night stand and wanting to get back at guy for not calling back, or angry ex, or jilted lover through to serial false complainants and attention whores. It's all these complaints that never make it in the door that the public never hears about. The stats you see in reports probably only addresses those that make it to 2nd or 3rd base.

[SMOKEU]

Sorry I'm with the OP here. I have a few cops mates, they all say the same thing and I'll take their word over a polished piece of paper any day. Yes maybe "investigated" complaints, but this does not include all those that are filtered out at the front desk. Of those, 7 of 8 (one figure a mate gave) are deemed timewasters and don't get any further. Rape complaints in particular seem to range from, chick getting too drunk and cheating on her boyfriend then regretting it, or chick victim of one night stand and wanting to get back at guy for not calling back, or angry ex, or jilted lover through to serial false complainants and attention whores. It's all these complaints that never make it in the door that the public never hears about. The stats you see in reports probably only addresses those that make it to 2nd or 3rd base.

That sounds about right. Drunk guy roots drunk slut at party. Drunk slut regrets it when she sobers up in the morning, maybe someone threatens to tell her boyfriend so she makes a rape complaint with the fuzz. Who are the cops going to believe more? The guy, or the female? It makes it even worse if the guy has a criminal record, even for petty things like shoplifting because then it's even harder to convince a jury of that guys innocence.

[rustyrobot]

Well, let's not let research get in the way of a few blokey cops "hearsay". Notice that all of a sudden you are taking the police word as gold, but not any of the people involved in offender profiling. Hope you represent them as well as the keepers of all truth in the other threads about police on KB. I'm not out to change anyone's mind, I can see you all have the victim mentality prepared, as well as the idea that all women are out to get you. Poor men. Oh how we suffer.

Oh, and onearmedbandit, I do humbly apologise as possibly the first person to have ever talked about something slightly off topic on a KB thread. Although, I thought it was fairly well related.

[onearmedbandit]

Oh, and onearmedbandit, I do humbly apologise as possibly the first person to have ever talked about something slightly off topic on a KB thread. Although, I thought it was fairly well related.

I suppose if I was the apologising type I would do so for obviously upsetting you so much.

Carry on.

[spajohn]

Another scenario is the divorce break ups with women falsely claiming abuse of themselves or the kids as a tactic to get back at the ex-husband and/or keep the kids. And yes, this happened to a family member, so not just plucking it out of my arse! :-)

Luckily the bullshit was seen through before it got to court, but still a nasty business.

[arkie]

"My wife is not a threat to society. She was only a menace."

lol

I can't believe he would say this!

I mean what is worse?

A threat to society or a menace to society?

One of wiktionary definitions of a threat is; a person or object that is regarded as a danger; a menace.
Ref:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/threat

I think being a menace to society is cooler sounding! haha

[Hoon]

Well, let's not let research get in the way of a few blokey cops "hearsay". Notice that all of a sudden you are taking the police word as gold, but not any of the people involved in offender profiling.

No I'm not. All I'm saying is that your figures only address a subset of all complaints, those that have already successfully passed the first (or second) level of scrutinty so of course this will skew the results and this needs to be taken into account when interpreting the results.
Yes you could argue that the front desk cops 'may' let through 50/50 or favour false complaints or even speculate whether this 1st line of filtering even exists but this much like my blokey mates '7/8th are false' claim are purely speculation. Until an accurate study is performed that correctly takes this into account we will be doomed to argue about it on the internet for all eternity.

You've provided a figure from one extreme and I've provided one from the opposite. The only fact that we can accept is that the truth lies somewhere in between the two.

[rustyrobot]

Until an accurate study is performed that correctly takes this into account we will be doomed to argue about it on the internet for all eternity.

You've provided a figure from one extreme and I've provided one from the opposite. The only fact that we can accept is that the truth lies somewhere in between the two.
What the ?! Logic and reasoning? But I wasn't expecting this. :) I totally agree. (The study I cited does examine police attitudes to complaints though).

If my mother, or sister, or partner, or niece (or any person) went to the police with a complaint, I would really hope they give that person a fair hearing and aren't closed minded from the outset. But then, I'd also dearly hope that they weren't making it up!

[JimO]

anybody making a false rape complaint should get the same penalty a actual rapist would get

[yachtie10]

What the ?! Logic and reasoning? But I wasn't expecting this. :) I totally agree. (The study I cited does examine police attitudes to complaints though).

If my mother, or sister, or partner, or niece (or any person) went to the police with a complaint, I would really hope they give that person a fair hearing and aren't closed minded from the outset. But then, I'd also dearly hope that they weren't making it up!

Of course we all want rapists prosecuted but I think this thread highlights why it is hard to prosecute because most of the time its one persons word against the other.
I have always said I would rather 10 criminals go free than one person wrongfully convicted.

I would also rather be raped than falsely acused and convicted

[SPman]

In order to prove that, they have to go and recount the detail of the abuse they have sustained to 3 professionals, and sustain questions about the abuse. Once that is done they then have to say they are mentally unwell. ..and if they weren't before, they probably would be, after that!

Drunk guy roots drunk gal at party. ...it rather says something about guys who, because a woman is drunk and agrees to sex, she is automatically a slut! The guy is willing...he's just a lad, the woman is willing - she is automatically denigrated to someone of lesser worth, because alcohol has lowered her discretion level ....... are women not allowed to like sex as much as men - obviously not!
If there was less hypocrisy about the whole act, perhaps there would be less false or dubious claims.......

[Genie]

Hell, there's some sick bastards out there, what a bitch. I noted it wasn't the first time she has abused the less fortunate....and how can her husband defend her!

[Slyer]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/93968-Woman-charged-with-false-rape-complaint
Justice finally served. Only took over a year...

[Genie]

I don't think it's te same case...looks like Nelson has some bullshitting bitches living here!!!!!

[Forest]

Holy shit - he must've pulled that figure right out of his arse. I hoped you wiped it off before using it on this forum. The incidents of false claims of sexual assault are incredibly low, especially in comparisson with the media attention they are given.

Come back when you know what you're talking about.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10339669



False Rape Complaints Annoy Police


Hamilton police will decide this week whether to charge two women who made separate false rape complaints at the weekend.

Detective Sergeant Nigel Keall said police spent time and resources investigating the women's complaints.

"It's just a waste of resources that could have been used elsewhere."

Both complaints were lodged on Friday.

One was made by an 18-year-old and the other by a 19-year-old.

Senior investigators estimate that between 60 and 80 per cent of rape complaints made by women are false.

Mr Keall said false complaints tainted the community's perception of sexual offending and the genuine victims who needed support.

He said there was also a difference between people making complaints of stranger rapes and making allegations against a specific person, which could sometimes be malicious.

[ynot slow]

Have seen first hand what a mum/dad abused me charge causes the inocent victim,being villified by social welfare/cyps,even after the judge throws the case out after 30mins of police evidence from said victim.Meant the person couldn't see their kids(from first marriage)for 13yrs without approval from the govt agency,and then the foster care the kids were in meant both kids(boy and girl)were molested by caregivers partner.

Can see how it happens,dad says I want custody of kids,mum says I'll say you abused the kids,up to you to prove inocent,father then says ok,but want access,then gets messy,no wonder fathers do murder-suicide shit.

[scissorhands]

I was up for MAF and this was after I had called 111 9 times over a year to get the drunk crazy woman removed from my house as she wouldnt leave.

The cops never enforced the protection order I sought after she broke in a few times, even though it was granted by the court.

Certainly wakes you up to unfair discrimination, if you've never been a nigger at a clan rally. Good for finding who your friends are

Thrown out of court in less than 5 minutes.

Solicitor cost me $1800 for about 15-60 minutes work