So poor riding or bad road conditions? What do you think is going on? [Archive]

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Metastable

17th April 2010, 09:24

BMWST?

17th April 2010, 10:23

some bad riding in the early part but definetly seems to be something on the road there.some well prepared riders too i see

wingnutt

17th April 2010, 10:35

yeh the first guy had given up on the corner, he was looking way out of the corner, the others seem to be going down under acceleration at about the same spot,
couild be just too much throttle, low gear and a shiny spot on the road.

slofox

17th April 2010, 10:49

Did he lock up the back wheel?

wingnutt

17th April 2010, 10:57

Did he lock up the back wheel?

yeh I think he did, he pretty much ta;lked himself out of iit I think, also the other blokes going down are still into a lean when increasing speed, the guys gettin through ok, have the bike up before increasing speed.

R6_kid

17th April 2010, 11:06

yeh the first guy had given up on the corner, he was looking way out of the corner

Given up? He didn't even try - he was looking straight ahead the whole time. At t he point where his rear wheel locked up and starts coming around he could have been looking through the corner and pushing real hard on the left bar to tip in and make th corner - it doesn't look like he's going too fast for the corner.

The rest of them are a mix bag. A couple are due to choppy throttle or just too much too soon - though I did notice that a number of them are as they go through the middle of the lane so it could possibly be due to diesel/contaminants in that middle part of the road, it certainly doesn't look like it rains much there! Also they don't seem to have a whole lot of speed leading (or lean in previous corners) and then proceed to go for more and more as they come past the camera - perhaps a little bit of showing off mixed with tyres that aren't warmed up/previously worn out to the edge?

Taz

17th April 2010, 11:06

Poor riding all of it. There are no bad road conditions. Just dicks using the road as a race track.

Metastable

17th April 2010, 15:00

Man I don't know. There is A LOT of Hamfistery going on for sure. Obviously all the guys that hit the guardrail on corner entry were screw ups. The first guy target fixated, the guy on the blue R6 that lost the shoe hit the front brakes...etc. But geez the 2nd guy on another blue bike is pretty smooth and he was pretty far into the exit and lost the back end.... a few other guys low siding from losing the back end on corner exit IMO is very strange. Another bizarre thing is they are all crashing going in the same direction. Why is that? I'm thinking that there is probably a combination of significant lean angle, plus something a tad slick (diesel or antifreeze which can stick around for quite a while - as was mentioned little rain)... and as they got on the throttle they used up what little traction they had left and lost the back end.

That's my guess.

Jonno.

17th April 2010, 15:23

I like how at the first crash the guy says "slow down you idiot" haha.

sinfull

17th April 2010, 15:25

Tube of vasaline wiped on the road and head up into the hills for an afternoons videoing !

cold comfort

17th April 2010, 16:08

some bad riding in the early part but definetly seems to be something on the road there.some well prepared riders too i see

Somethng on the road I'd say. A journo severely bent a new Multistrada (and himself) in Sardinia i believe due to black sand on black asphalt. Doesn't have to be diesel

Hopeful Bastard

18th April 2010, 01:34

Some extremely bad riding - Of another kind - Here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R8nL2x0D4&feature=related

Urano

18th April 2010, 06:02

the road is dirty, a lot of sand, and dust...
and a lot of people care about how cool they'll look in the picture not at what happen on a dirty road if you turn the throttle to fast with 180 hp....

TimeOut

18th April 2010, 06:42

I think the camera positioned on the inside of the corner has a lot to do with it

quickbuck

18th April 2010, 10:55

Some extremely bad riding - Of another kind - Here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R8nL2x0D4&feature=related
Hell, that could have ended a lot worse than it did......

quickbuck

18th April 2010, 10:58

I think the camera positioned on the inside of the corner has a lot to do with it

Could well have.
The bit I found amusing was the guy who pulled up on a bike wearing a tee shirt and jeans....

I gather this area is a bit of a local race track for these people...

DMNTD

18th April 2010, 12:02

lol...Love their riding gear! LOL!

IMO...none of them seem to have been 'pushing it' at all and their bikes seemed to have just 'let go'.
I'd assume that it had something to do with road surface whether it be sand, oil or diesel etc.

Oh well...it happens on the road from time to time..got to expect shit road conditions and ride accordingly.
Hope they bought themselves some gear at least.

Maha

18th April 2010, 12:34

Covered this very scenario at the begining of the Month
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121398-Road-or-Rider

Metastable

18th April 2010, 16:32

Covered this very scenario at the begining of the Month
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121398-Road-or-Rider

Doh, My bad. But the video I posted was a nicer compilation. :sunny:

Chrislost

18th April 2010, 17:08

Check out this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqevtmpSp7w

Now forget the first 1:30 or so... the guys crashing on corner entry are obviously screwing up. However, the guys on corner exit.... I pose the question. Do you think it is rider error or something like antifreeze on the road?

That first crash HAD to hurt!
2nd one was way too much gas, and didnt even back off till he was on the ground.
Pause it after the 3rd one to see a dark black line?
Wayyy too much gas while leaned over for the white bike!
etc etc...

Decreased they were all biffing it in different palces, doubt there was much more then dust on the road...

FJRider

18th April 2010, 17:15

Urano

18th April 2010, 20:46

The bit I found amusing was the guy who pulled up on a bike wearing a tee shirt and jeans....

lol...Love their riding gear! LOL!

:)
i like your amusement....
but consider that it's pretty common to see riders in jeans, tshirt and trainers here too. and in france and spain...
actually german and british are, like you, truly ahead on this point.

our forum, in italy, is pretty a strange case of one where almost everyone has proper gear, with the obvious exceptions...

but about the gear and the necessity of wearing it you in nz are much better than here...
this, in fact, puzzles me a bit when i read topic on other safety equipment that for us are becoming normal, but seems not to bee yet completely understood there, like backprotectors, daytime lights, abs, CE certification of the gear, full face helmets...
i know your next question: "if they're becoming normally accepted, why people ride with tshirt and trainers?"
and the answer is "because they are idiot that know what is right to do and freely choose to do it wrong"...

quickbuck

18th April 2010, 20:57

"because they are idiot that know what is right to do and freely choose to do it wrong"...

Totally agree... The sign of a true Idiot.

quickbuck

18th April 2010, 21:02

When you bin ... with no other bikes involved ... why do you have to believe it is not your fault ... ???

Road/weather conditions on the day ... anywhere ... any road, if you aren't aware ... it IS your fault.

Sadly we are in a sociaty of "IASOFF"
"It's Alway's Some Other Fcukers Fault" and it takes a while for the skins (or squids) to get to realise anything to the contrary....

It is going to take a few generations to get over this one I'm afraid.