Cops are coming down on any bikes

[Kiwi007]

My service man told me yesterday that cops are coming down on any bikes with a radar detector. My understanding is, detectors are not illegal yet. Does anyone have any info to add please??

[scumdog]

I say bullshit, urban myth and headless chicken stuff..

But hey, what do I know??

[Bikernereid]

Fake radars used to trick drivers

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/92431/acc-tries-radar-cut-speeds

What is this all about?

[Fatjim]

Yeah, what happened to making detectors illegal? I thought that was meant to come in last April.

[CookMySock]

My service man told me yesterday that cops are coming down on any bikes with a radar detector. How will a cop in an opposing lane tell if you have a radar detector?

I call hoax.

Steve

[R6_kid]

My service man told me yesterday that cops are coming down on any bikes with a radar detector.

That's pretty dangerous. Probably more so than kids throwing bricks off of motorway over-bridges.

[NighthawkNZ]

How will a cop in an opposing lane tell if you have a radar detector?


With the right equipment quite easily actually

[marty]

If you've got a radar detector, you WILL get a ticket.

If you're cruising at 100andwhatever, and a cop radars you before you see them, detector goes off, brakes come on, speed washes fast - this can all be seen by the cop. It's PFO you've got a detector. Usually your speed is washed off after the lock is on though.

[Blackbird]

My understanding is, detectors are not illegal yet. Does anyone have any info to add please??

Harry Duynhoven and his nanny state buddies were keen. It's not a high priority for the current administration.

[Ender EnZed]

brakes come on, speed washes fast - this can all be seen by the cop. It's PFO you've got a detector. Usually your speed is washed off after the lock is on though.

Isn't this what you do if you see a cop and don't have a detector anyway?

[Pixie]

My service man told me yesterday that cops are coming down on any bikes with a radar detector. My understanding is, detectors are not illegal yet. Does anyone have any info to add please??

I think the correct phrase is "going down"

[Pixie]

If you've got a radar detector, you WILL get a ticket.

If you're cruising at 100andwhatever, and a cop radars you before you see them, detector goes off, brakes come on, speed washes fast - this can all be seen by the cop. It's PFO you've got a detector. Usually your speed is washed off after the lock is on though.

The operation of a good detector is not dependent on the operator seeing the cop.:blink::wacko:

[Stormer]

All of the latest top of the line radar detectors should be radar-detector detector proof anyway.
Unless you`re being hit with an instant on, you have more than enough time to slow up without any hard out panic braking.

[DMNTD]

Speeding is simply criminal ;)

[Mom]

Speed kills! My GPS unit tells me exactly how fast I am travelling, I never exceed the posted limit. Speed kills!

[CookMySock]

If you've got a radar detector, you WILL get a ticket. If you're cruising at 100andwhatever, and a cop radars you before you see them, detector goes off, brakes come on, speed washes fast - this can all be seen by the cop. It's PFO you've got a detector. Usually your speed is washed off after the lock is on though.They can't ticket you for having a detector. It's not against the law.

I agree however, that the cop probably could argue his case in a court of law, like the following for example ;


On duty on this road at this time, I saw a red motorcycle and estimated his speed, by eye, in my professional opinion, to be in the order of 140km/hr, so I decided to check it with my non-automatic speed measuring equipment. I took the machine out of hidden mode and instantly heard tone associated with approximately 135-145 km/hr, which very rapidly dropped to approximately the posted speed limit in this area followed by the device locking at 98km/hr. I assumed that the rider of the motorcycle either saw me by eye, or was informed of my presence by some electronic device, so I followed him and requested that he stop, which he did. I discovered the motorcycle was fitted with an electronic device known as a "radar detector" and in my professional opinion the rider was using this device to evade police speed measuring equipment.

I wouldn't be surprised if the judge would side with him on this.

Steve

[Jantar]

My GPS unit tells me exactly how fast I am travelling, ....
My radar detector has a GPS built in, and it tells me just exactly how fast I'm going when the cop pings me.

[SMOKEU]

But hey, what do I know??

You tell me.

[marty]

My radar detector has a GPS built in, and it tells me just exactly how fast I'm going when the cop pings me.

all your detector is telling you is that you are being tracked, or there is a radar in the vicinity. it cannot tell you if you have been locked, or indeed, what speed you were locked at.

[marty]

All of the latest top of the line radar detectors should be radar-detector detector proof anyway.
Unless you`re being hit with an instant on, you have more than enough time to slow up without any hard out panic braking.

Instant on would be the weapon of choice most of the time, so you're porobably fucked, especially at night.

[p.dath]

If you've got a radar detector, you WILL get a ticket.

If your not speeding, then what will you get a ticket for?

[SMOKEU]

If you've got a radar detector, you WILL get a ticket.



What will I get a ticket for?

[Jantar]

all your detector is telling you is that you are being tracked, or there is a radar in the vicinity. it cannot tell you if you have been locked, or indeed, what speed you were locked at.
That's why I said that it tells me just exactly how fast I'm going when the cop pings me, not when he locks on. :D

[Renegade]

i hope he is better at servicing your bike than he is at giving you accurate information...

[TimeOut]

Instant on would be the weapon of choice most of the time, so you're porobably fucked, especially at night.

Instant on should be banned, it ain't playing fair

But as long as there's other traffic on the road (that they're pinging) I still get up to 10km warning

[Toaster]

My service man told me yesterday that cops are coming down on any bikes with a radar detector. My understanding is, detectors are not illegal yet. Does anyone have any info to add please??

Think of it this way. If you have a radar it shows that you must have an intention to speed, so it is unlikely anyone with a radar in place would get a warning.

[miSTa]

I say bullshit, urban myth and headless chicken stuff..

But hey, what do I know??

Jeez man, I thought you knew everything...and I thought I was perfect. Perhaps not, damn. :slap:

[CookMySock]

If you have a radar it shows that you must have an intention to speed..Hrm, no I have had a detector in my hilux for about a year. I don't speed in that because I just can't be bothered. It's just too much like hard work.

I have never had a "warning" from any speeding fine of any type - ever. I don't have reason to believe such a thing exists. I was stuck on the front of a long queue of traffic (including a truck and trailer) at 105k towing a trailer, and the cop just looked at me and wrote the ticket out. I was doing my best to balance not holding things up with being safe about it, but nooooo.

Steve

[marty]

That's why I said that it tells me just exactly how fast I'm going when the cop pings me, not when he locks on. :D

Time from aquisition to lock less than a second. You been taking braking lessons from skiddie?

[Berries]

I know from my own dealings with the Highway Patrol that if they stop someone with a radar detector, particularly if it's for speeding, they will look a bit closer at the vehicle to see if there is anything else they can do you for. Reason being you are obviously 'going equipped' to speed and you lost. Lets rub it in a bit.

AFAIK, one of the reasons for not bringing in the ban on detectors was due to the knock on effects on the importers/distributors who had stock, ie they would be out of pocket and looking for compensation. I did laugh when I heard that one. Kind of proved to me that the government wasn't (and still isn't) really serious about road safety. Having a radar detector is clearly a visible admission that you speed. I am amazed they allowed them in the first place.

Mind you, having a modern sports bike is also a visible admission that you speed so maybe I should keep quiet.

[Gubb]

Hrm, no I have had a detector in my hilux for about a year.

Why have it if you're perfect? Seems like a waste of money.

[onearmedbandit]

Think of it this way. If you have a radar it shows that you must have an intention to speed, so it is unlikely anyone with a radar in place would get a warning.



Mind you, having a modern sports bike is also a visible admission that you speed so maybe I should keep quiet.

Exactly what I think everytime I'm trundling through town on the way out for a ride, all geared up etc on a visually and audibly loud bike and I roll past a police car. Hardly looks like I'm heading out for a nice steady ride to enjoy the sights, sounds and smells of the great outdoors. Which of course is what I'm only doing.

[Toaster]

Hrm, no I have had a detector in my hilux for about a year. I don't speed in that because I just can't be bothered. It's just too much like hard work.

I have never had a "warning" from any speeding fine of any type - ever. I don't have reason to believe such a thing exists. I was stuck on the front of a long queue of traffic (including a truck and trailer) at 105k towing a trailer, and the cop just looked at me and wrote the ticket out. I was doing my best to balance not holding things up with being safe about it, but nooooo.

Steve


Yeah but that just relates to you. Not to those that have had different.

[MaxB]

Time from aquisition to lock less than a second. You been taking braking lessons from skiddie?

But the problem with Stalker DSR has always been target identification. If it is just the target and the cop then no worries but on busy north island roads the cops have to guess what they think is the target even with lane i.d., nearest and direction add-ons.

Its time for in-car video with a target sight and speed indication like they have in other countries. Properly calibrated it takes the guesswork out of speed enforcement.

[slofox]

I do have a radar detector. I use it both on the bike and in the cage. It does NOT indicate an intention to speed. Quite the contrary in fact.

In the cage it has resulted in me dropping my average highway speed by some 5km/hr. Works like this.

I leave all bands on. Every time it goes off, regardless of band, I check the speedo. Positive reinforcement is finding I am within 10km/hr (indicated) of the speed limit. Combine that with the usual over-read of the typical speedo (4% in this particular cage), the fastest I travel is about 106km/hr. Usually less than that since I put the detector in.

It took about two weeks of highway trips to get this result. Prior to installing the detector, I would find 115km/hr on the speedo quite regularly - enough to get the dreaded ticket even with some over-read.

So not all use of a detector is designed to facilitate speeding your honour.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work quite like this on the bike...buggrit...

[CookMySock]

I agree with slofox, and I have read similar elsewhere. Overall, RD's actually slow people down.

Cops who take personal umbrage at RD's and then throw the book at drivers are acting out their own incorrect beliefs.

Steve

[scumdog]

A very common (MOST common) line on handing a speeding ticket to somebody who has a radar detector:

ME: "Well that thing certainly didn't do it's job very well, did it, - almost a waste of money don't you reckon?"

THEM: "Ah, I never had it turned on":doh:

(A lot of the time I reckon it's a face-saving line - or do the majority of you RD users REALLY leave them turned off most of the time?:wait:)

( "It's my mates and I'm not sure how you work it" is another common one, - possibly stolen and that's why they 'don't know how to work it')

[Taz]

Saying that "because you have a radar detector - you are going to speed" Is like saying that because I have a penis I'm going to rape. Cops just like the power trip IMO. "You've been a naughty boy Mr Anthrax, I didn't get you speeding this time but i'm sure you were!" Yeah well prove it revenue collector. They hate being called that.

[scumdog]

Saying that "because you have a radar detector - you are going to speed" Is like saying that because I have a penis I'm going to rape. Cops just like the power trip IMO. "You've been a naughty boy Mr Anthrax, I didn't get you speeding this time but i'm sure you were!" Yeah well prove it revenue collector. They hate being called that.

I think your site name has got to your brain...I fail to see your logic:blink:

And as for "Revenue collector" - call me that and I'd laugh, people hate it when you laugh at their oh so witty and cutting 'smart' comments...even more so when you say "Wow, never heard of that one before", they don't know if you ARE taking the piss out of them or not..:shifty:

[smoky]

Police don't give warnings based on anything other than if they've filled their quota for the day or not

Radars are not illegal and I doubt they ever will be, it has been shown many times that radar detectors slow people down.
By the time they've braked for the 100th time from the thing going off for oncoming traffic with radar detectors, gas station, automatic opening doors, alarms, tractors, dummy radars, ................ and so on, the driver tends to slow down and just cruise anyway.
It was successfully argued in Australia a couple years back, one thing they found is that it is very rare to find a radar detector being used in cars that are involved in serious accidents.

The cops love them, when they're wanting to eat donuts and listen to talk back radio - they turn on their radar and just sit there watching all the cars with radar detectors slow down ...... again

[Pixie]

Think of it this way. If you have a radar it shows that you must have an intention to speed, so it is unlikely anyone with a radar in place would get a warning.

To my knowledge"intent to speed "is not a offence on the NZ law books

[The Pastor]

A very common (MOST common) line on handing a speeding ticket to somebody who has a radar detector:

ME: "Well that thing certainly didn't do it's job very well, did it, - almost a waste of money don't you reckon?"

THEM: "Ah, I never had it turned on":doh:

(A lot of the time I reckon it's a face-saving line - or do the majority of you RD users REALLY leave them turned off most of the time?:wait:)

( "It's my mates and I'm not sure how you work it" is another common one, - possibly stolen and that's why they 'don't know how to work it')

or they were traveliing a little bit faster than you caught them for ;)

[scumdog]

or they were traveliing a little bit faster than you caught them for ;)

Instant on?

Only a little faster...

[scumdog]

To my knowledge"intent to speed "is not a offence on the NZ law books

Hence why noby has ever got a ticket for that....

[Pixie]

Well ,for all you know-i-alls the last time I was stopped by a cop (119 kmh some time after passing a truck on the Waipu straight) the cop asked me about my V1 and gave me a warning about the speed.

[The Pastor]

Instant on?

Only a little faster...

last time i got "caught" with instant on i reduced my speed by 40hm/hr

[Pixie]

A very common (MOST common) line on handing a speeding ticket to somebody who has a radar detector:

ME: "Well that thing certainly didn't do it's job very well, did it, - almost a waste of money don't you reckon?"

THEM: "Ah, I never had it turned on":doh:

(A lot of the time I reckon it's a face-saving line - or do the majority of you RD users REALLY leave them turned off most of the time?:wait:)

( "It's my mates and I'm not sure how you work it" is another common one, - possibly stolen and that's why they 'don't know how to work it')

Well my detector has allowed me to "check my speed" prior to a cop doing it for me on innumerable occassions.It has also warned me of slow moving tractors on the road prior to me seeing them at least three times/
I guess in the south,people are too busy fantasizing about their sisters to remember to turn on the detectors.

[fliplid]

It has also warned me of slow moving tractors on the road prior to me seeing them at least three times/
How's that work then?

[CookMySock]

Actually, I did get a warning.. about a year ago... It was hardly what I would call a warning though.. I loudly blapped past bunch of cars in the transition area coming out of some road works. I was well clear of the roadworks and the associated coned area, but just inside the 30k speed-restricted area, travelling at about 65k heading into an 80k area. (the 30k road works were inside an 80k area.)

I ran smack into his microwave unit (no detector, or else I would have seen him well around the corner). He pulled me over and explained, frowned, and said "hrm a bit of a grey area, that" and simply turned and walked back to his car and drove away. Pretty sure he could have written a notice out for that if he had the time or the inclination.

Steve

[Pixie]

Many US built tractors have SWS transponders fitted:
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/SWS.html

[CHOPPA]

Police want people to slow down yeah? Why do they turn there radar off and on? Shouldnt they just leave there radar on and encourage radar detectors cause when our radar detectors go off we slow down.....

[scumdog]

Well my detector has allowed me to "check my speed" prior to a cop doing it for me on innumerable occassions.It has also warned me of slow moving tractors on the road prior to me seeing them at least three times/
I guess in the south,people are too busy fantasizing about their sisters to remember to turn on the detectors.

Nah, mostly northern visitors who are not use to our uncluttered roads (probably down here looking for their sister)

And I wouldn't trust you new fangled devide to save you from the antiquated farm machinery still in use down here..and don't forget the mobs of dairy cattle being moved across the road in the dark...the list goes on..

Oh well it is YOUR life after all, YOU worry about it.

[scumdog]

Many US built tractors have SWS transponders fitted:
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/SWS.html

Unlike the plethora a Chinese etc items now out there...don't forget the olde ones too.

[fliplid]

Many US built tractors have SWS transponders fitted:
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/SWS.html

Was wondering how your detector picked them up!

[MarkH]

A very common (MOST common) line on handing a speeding ticket to somebody who has a radar detector:

ME: "Well that thing certainly didn't do it's job very well, did it, - almost a waste of money don't you reckon?"

If a cop said that to me it would be hard to not burst out laughing!

I don't actually have a radar detector, but I used to quite a few years back. I did get some tickets while the detector was on, but it did its job very well and was far from a waste of money. It saved me more in tickets than it cost and it saved me enough demerit points to let me keep my license. Of course when you get ticketed for speeding and the cop tries to suggest that your detector is worthless you can hardly explain "oh no, despite getting this ticket the last 8 times that I almost got caught and this gadget saved me makes it well worth having!"

Usually being saved one or two tickets is enough to make a detector worth its money - when you consider both the fines and the demerit points.


last time i got "caught" with instant on i reduced my speed by 40hm/hr

That probably only took 2 metres to do. :msn-wink:

[scumdog]

That probably only took 2 metres to do. :msn-wink:

Yeah right, Skidmark!!!:laugh:

[Goblin]

bout 2 metres

[Little Miss Trouble]

Hrm, no I have had a detector in my hilux for about a year. I don't speed in that because I just can't be bothered. It's just too much like hard work.

I have never had a "warning" from any speeding fine of any type - ever. I don't have reason to believe such a thing exists. I was stuck on the front of a long queue of traffic (including a truck and trailer) at 105k towing a trailer, and the cop just looked at me and wrote the ticket out. I was doing my best to balance not holding things up with being safe about it, but nooooo.

Steve

I'd say you failed the attitude test on that one.

I've been stopped twice & ticketed once. Funnily enough, the time I got given the warning was the MUCH naughtier offence :spanking:

[Morcs]

Radars slow you down. I have never had a ticket since ive started using radar detectors, and i ride a LOT slower than i used to because of it.

[marty]

I'd say you failed the attitude test on that one.

I've been stopped twice & ticketed once. Funnily enough, the time I got given the warning was the MUCH naughtier offence :spanking:

Db with an attitude problem? No. Not DB.

[Mudfart]

so what this thread is saying, is that when i get my new bike (R6, 675, GSXR750, or ZX6R), I will be also purchasing an aftermarket exhaust and a top of the line radar detector?
Im sort of looking at a thruxton maybe, but dont know if I'd need one for it!.

[Toaster]

To my knowledge"intent to speed "is not a offence on the NZ law books

You are missing my point. If you own one, it is pretty obvious you like to speed intentionally. Hardly grounds for hoping for a warning is it? People dont own them for decoration.

[Swoop]

Instant on would be the weapon of choice most of the time, so you're porobably fucked, especially at night.
That is exactly why a top of the line detector is purchased. Much better detection range and off-angle pick up ability. Well that AND undetectable to dectector-detectors.

Strangely the most dangerous use of a detector that I have ever witnessed was last week on the motorway. A japanese guy with the detector stuck to his windscreen directly in front of him. Literally right in his eyes. He wouldn't have seen a car in front of him due to this blocking his vision.
The POS people mover he was driving wouldn't be capable of speeding either!

[fliplid]

Strangely the most dangerous use of a detector that I have ever witnessed was last week on the motorway. A japanese guy with the detector stuck to his windscreen directly in front of him. Literally right in his eyes. He wouldn't have seen a car in front of him due to this blocking his vision.
The POS people mover he was driving wouldn't be capable of speeding either!
Bit like all them knobs with huge dials and light thingies all over the line of sight then?

[carver]

just get a fast bike and dont stop, that saved me from quite a few court cases.
i know of a guy who went past a cop going the opposite direction with his gsxr1000 tapped out in top...

cop still put on his lights....

[dmc]

The Police could lower the road toll a hell of alot more by putting the speed camera zone sign's back up and transit fixing the black spot roads than any amount of effort put into speeding motorcycles.

More rider training wouldn't hurt either but I can imagine now the driving age has gone up bike skills will be looked at also.

[marty]

just get a fast bike and dont stop, that saved me from quite a few court cases.
i know of a guy who went past a cop going the opposite direction with his gsxr1000 tapped out in top...

cop still put on his lights....

I know a guy who passed 3 trucks one night, the trucks were following an (unseen) cop car. With an alleged near 200km/h difference, and being about 4am, the cop didn't even put on his lights.......

[carver]

I know a guy who passed 3 trucks one night, the trucks were following an (unseen) cop car. With an alleged near 200km/h difference, and being about 4am, the cop didn't even put on his lights.......

do we know the same guy?

[marty]

I agree with slofox, and I have read similar elsewhere. Overall, RD's actually slow people down.

Cops who take personal umbrage at RD's and then throw the book at drivers are acting out their own incorrect beliefs.

Steve

doesn't matter if they're acting out the 4th scene in Romeo and Juliet - they're still laughing cause you got a ticket.

[marty]

> Carver: Yeah I think he met you on a coro loop

[scumdog]

just get a fast bike and dont stop, that saved me from quite a few court cases.....

Except the time you went over the bridge I guess...:whistle:

[marty]

ironically, at a very slow pace......

[CHAPLIN]

COP: ill give you a tip, those radar detectors dont work, we flick ours on and off
ME: Yes you are right (with a cheeky grin)
COP: heres your ticket for 12k over( puzzled look on face)

[bogan]

so whats the legality with radar jammers? good to go, or best to blame that shit on the car behind you.

[Jantar]

Time from aquisition to lock less than a second. You been taking braking lessons from skiddie?
No need to brake. The radar detector goes off, it shows my speed at 98 kmh, and I continue at the same speed. Why do you automatically assume that I need to brake? Is that your own bad habits showing through?

[CookMySock]

doesn't matter if they're acting out the 4th scene in Romeo and Juliet - they're still laughing cause you got a ticket.Laughing? Why? Do they take some personal pleasure from it? Why might that be? Perhaps it is some fucking conquest or something? Is that why they enjoy their job?

Steve

[scumdog]

Laughing? Why? Do they take some personal pleasure from it? Why might that be? Perhaps it is some fucking conquest or something? Is that why they enjoy their job?

Steve

I normally bawl my eyes out when handing over a ticket...






Chill out dude, I suspect 'laughing' is poetic licence, not literal.

[scumdog]

..............

[carver]

> Carver: Yeah I think he met you on a coro loop

haha, i see, one of those!


Except the time you went over the bridge I guess...:whistle:


ironically, at a very slow pace......

i made the mistake of bringing a slow bike, should have done it on the GSXR at 200kph

[Tank]

Laughing? Why? Do they take some personal pleasure from it? Why might that be? Perhaps it is some fucking conquest or something? Is that why they enjoy their job?

Steve

I guess its a fuck load of fun giving tickets to people who fail the attitude test.

[Coldrider]

i made the mistake of bringing a slow bike, should have done it on the GSXR at 200kph No, you made the mistake of uploading it in High Def. LOL

[TimeOut]

Many US built tractors have SWS transponders fitted:
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/SWS.html

The ones in NZ have speed radar (K band) to compare actual speed to wheel speed, this gives you the % of wheel slip

Obviously not much use on road

[marty]

Failing the attitude test, and bush lawyers. The 2 most fun by far. Boy racers are too easy (think fish/barrel/gun)

Politicians are fun to ticket, as are MILFs and short skirts - for different reasons though :)

[Chrislost]

Radars slow you down. I have never had a ticket since ive started using radar detectors, and i ride a LOT slower than i used to because of it.

turning into a poof has nothign to do with your radar detector

[scumdog]

Failing the attitude test, and bush lawyers. The 2 most fun by far. Boy racers are too easy (think fish/barrel/gun)

Politicians are fun to ticket, as are MILFs and short skirts - for different reasons though :)

Oh yes... the bush lawyers....man are those guys the funnest ever!!:rofl:

With most of them you can sail a whole squadron of planes over their head and they don't notice..

[saltydog]

Police want people to slow down yeah? Why do they turn there radar off and on? Shouldnt they just leave there radar on and encourage radar detectors cause when our radar detectors go off we slow down.....

one of the most stunning bits of logic ever Choppa. The coppers know my bike has the whistler fitted alright. The dirty looks are quite amusing.

[Chrislost]

Laughing? Why? Do they take some personal pleasure from it? Why might that be? Perhaps it is some fucking conquest or something? Is that why they enjoy their job?

Steve

better work stories...

yours, today for example, would be somthing like "went on kb, hadnt recieved any red bling so i told them whos boss, yeahhh i told em!"

[Tink]

I say bullshit, urban myth and headless chicken stuff..

But hey, what do I know??

I have heard that headless chickens broke up... but they are not a myth... ;)

[Flip]

Well I love my radar detector and I don't speed, love corners but don't speed.

My detector lets me know that there is a cop working in my area and to keep my speed strictly legal. I haven't had a speeding ticket in 10 years.

There has only been a couple of times in recent memory that the detector went off with a strong close signal where I did not know there was a cop in the area. I would say that in greater than 99.5% of the time the detector has been giving me warning signals for miles and miles before we even see the cop. Cops tend to turn the thing on and off when they are driving checking the speed of on coming cars, but what they do is they get lazy and check every car they see. So everybody with a 2/3rd decent detector has been getting warnings for miles and miles. The furthest I have measured myself was on the Cheviot straights and he was 12 km away parked in town having lunch.

I use my detector in all my vehicles, I even use it in my Land rover (Series 3 V8) not that this vehicle does 110 easily. Seems funny but now days I just feel unprotected without it. It reminds me constantly to check my speed in towns and to double check that my speed doesn't creep up in the straights (not really a problem in the Landy).

If they the govt (not the cops) did ban them it would be a pain because I am so used to having one, it would be a bit like not wearing pants. It would however logically not really matter to me and I would get used to not having one there and also eventually not wearing pants for that matter.

It sits just under the screen bag, I can hear fine without any extra speakers at open road speeds.

[Kiwi007]

You and me are in the same catagory Flip. Thanks everyone for your input (even if it did get off track a bit). It's bloody easy for that speed to creep up a bit and the detector just helps keep me in check a bit. Thanks again everyone.

[Bad Gixxer]

I guess its a fuck load of fun giving tickets to people who fail the attitude test.

My respect for the Polizi went out the window on Queens Birthday weekend 3 years ago. I was approcahing a small township around a 65klm (posted) bend. The limit reduced to 50 about 100mtrs past the bend. I went round the bend at 100 or less and I know that for a fact because I'd looked at the speedo as I was setting up for the bend, knowing that the 50 restricted area wasn't far away. It was 105 and I was decellerating.

As I'm at the apex of the bend a patrol car came the opposite way. My radar detector stayed silent. I carry on without even a concern, I pass through the township at 50klm, cop has done a u turn and is following me maybe 1klm behind. By now I'm about 2klm's past the township, and about 3 minutes since the cop passed me. My radar detector goes off, his lights go on, he races up to me and flags me down. Gives me a ticket for 117klm. I argued black and blue that I was not speeding. He insisted that I look at his radar and sure enough, says 117 in bright red digits.

I reckon he saw me going around that bend on a bit of a lean and making a bit of noise (and I tend to hang off even when not going super fast), he "believed" I was speeding but was not able to activate his radar, pinged another motorist after he'd done the u-turn, (my radar went off about 2 seconds before his red/blues came on as I was literally doing 99klm/h up the road knowing he was behind me). He was not able to ping oncoming traffic because there wasn't any so he must have pinged somebody behind him.

I believe he deliberately and knowingly laid the ticket on me knowing that his radar reading was not me. I actually accused him of this fact on the roadside and he went 19 shades of red. He came back at me and said that since I have a radar detector I must be a speedster. Oh Yay!

I did all the usual stuff, wrote away etc and got the bog standard reply from the Police. I couldn't be bothered in contesting it in court as it was just a fine and a few points.

So the police collected a few bucks in revenue, but caused me to lose faith in their integrity.

[Patrick]

My respect for the Polizi went out the window on Queens Birthday weekend 3 years ago. I was approcahing a small township around a 65klm (posted) bend. The limit reduced to 50 about 100mtrs past the bend. I went round the bend at 100 or less and I know that for a fact because I'd looked at the speedo as I was setting up for the bend, knowing that the 50 restricted area wasn't far away. It was 105 and I was decellerating.

As I'm at the apex of the bend a patrol car came the opposite way. My radar detector stayed silent. I carry on without even a concern, I pass through the township at 50klm, cop has done a u turn and is following me maybe 1klm behind. By now I'm about 2klm's past the township, and about 3 minutes since the cop passed me. My radar detector goes off, his lights go on, he races up to me and flags me down. Gives me a ticket for 117klm. I argued black and blue that I was not speeding. He insisted that I look at his radar and sure enough, says 117 in bright red digits.

I reckon he saw me going around that bend on a bit of a lean and making a bit of noise (and I tend to hang off even when not going super fast), he "believed" I was speeding but was not able to activate his radar, pinged another motorist after he'd done the u-turn, (my radar went off about 2 seconds before his red/blues came on as I was literally doing 99klm/h up the road knowing he was behind me). He was not able to ping oncoming traffic because there wasn't any so he must have pinged somebody behind him.

I believe he deliberately and knowingly laid the ticket on me knowing that his radar reading was not me. I actually accused him of this fact on the roadside and he went 19 shades of red. He came back at me and said that since I have a radar detector I must be a speedster. Oh Yay!

I did all the usual stuff, wrote away etc and got the bog standard reply from the Police. I couldn't be bothered in contesting it in court as it was just a fine and a few points.

So the police collected a few bucks in revenue, but caused me to lose faith in their integrity.

So the locked on speed shown would have also shown it was on rear antenna? (as this is what you claim...) Or did it show "Same" as in same lane....?

[Bad Gixxer]

So the locked on speed shown would have also shown it was on rear antenna? (as this is what you claim...) Or did it show "Same" as in same lane....?

All I saw was 117 on the digital display. If there were other indicators or lights on the display then I didn't take any notice of them.

[scumdog]

So the police collected a few bucks in revenue, but caused me to lose faith in their integrity.

I beleive 'their' should be replaced with 'his' (assuming your story is 100% accurate)

Otherwise I could tag all Gixxer riders because of my meeting with one of them..

[breakaway]

Oh come on KB cops. You have to realise that most cops are just like most of public is, they hate bikes. At least thats what I got from my encounters from them. I was treated like a criminal from the get go.

[Bad Gixxer]

I beleive 'their' should be replaced with 'his' (assuming your story is 100% accurate)

Otherwise I could tag all Gixxer riders because of my meeting with one of them..

Firstly, the story is 100% accurate, secondly, those that ride bikes are not paid to uphold the law, or have sworn an oath to do so with honesty and integrity. I believe the Police make sume such oath? So....even if I tag all cops the same because of this one bad experience, I have no power to do anything about it. However if you tag all Gixxer riders the same through one bad experience, YOU (or any Police Officer) can do something about it through possible overuse of authority. I'd hate to think that you'd do that of course.

However you make a valid point and I will change my statement to "his" until or unless I'm in a similar situation and it happens again - you know, three strikes and you're out sort of thing!

[scumdog]

Oh come on KB cops. You have to realise that most cops are just like most of public is, they hate bikes. At least thats what I got from my encounters from them. I was treated like a criminal from the get go.

Hells-bells, no wonder I'm stressed - a cop that rides, hmmm...:blink:

[98tls]

Oh come on KB cops. You have to realise that most cops are just like most of public is, they hate bikes. At least thats what I got from my encounters from them. I was treated like a criminal from the get go.

If i was a cop i wouldnt bother with petty dislike of certain groups, be easier to just simply hate the public.

[carver]

Hells-bells, no wonder I'm stressed - a cop that rides, hmmm...:blink:

i think we should ban cops from the forums in case they are spies, who is with me!

[Flip]

Are you going international with this?

[98tls]

i think we should ban cops from the forums in case they are spies, who is in me!

1/2 the male population of Auckland at one time or anothers what ive heard mate.:mellow:

[fliplid]

1/2 the male population of Auckland at one time or anothers what ive heard mate.:mellow:

T'was a little cruel, young sir...

[98tls]

T'was a little cruel, young sir...

Oi,less of the young eh,no doubt C will take it like a man:shutup:or at least see it as gentle rimming:gob:ribbing as it was meant.

[Toaster]

I beleive 'their' should be replaced with 'his' (assuming your story is 100% accurate)

Otherwise I could tag all Gixxer riders because of my meeting with one of them..

So true, but sadly a point lost on so many.

[Toaster]

Oh come on KB cops. You have to realise that most cops are just like most of public is, they hate bikes. At least thats what I got from my encounters from them. I was treated like a criminal from the get go.

Would it not be fair to say that your "many encounters" and the reasons for them have something to do with it?

[98tls]

Would it not be fair to say that your "many encounters" and the reasons for them have something to do with it?

Stop that right there,far to sensible.This is a motorcycle website ffs reality has no place in this space.

[CHAPLIN]

You only just lost respect 3yrs ago, I lost ALL respect for TRAFFIC fuzz 20yrs past when I got done for dangerous riding because the sausage headed git said I must have been trying to get myself into orbit because he could hear my bike " booming and screaming" and when he caught sight of me I was in a "racers crouch" ( he had no radar reading, and I was on a ducati SD900 with conti pipes), I was doing 110 in a 100 zone.

[Toaster]

Stop that right there,far to sensible.This is a motorcycle website ffs reality has no place in this space.

Sorry, moment of weakness and clarity.

[CRF119]

What is the point in having a detector on a bike ive never understood it. Police man sees you and u twist the throttle and they give up. Plus they beep at everything.

[Bad Gixxer]

You only just lost respect 3yrs ago, I lost ALL respect for TRAFFIC fuzz 20yrs past when I got done for dangerous riding because the sausage headed git said I must have been trying to get myself into orbit because he could hear my bike " booming and screaming" and when he caught sight of me I was in a "racers crouch" ( he had no radar reading, and I was on a ducati SD900 with conti pipes), I was doing 110 in a 100 zone.

When i was a kid i had an RD350 with modded pipes that sounded like it was doing a million mile an hour at idle, being a two stroke an' all (Ringggg Dingggg Dinggg pop pop p-p-p--p-pop BANG). Got pulled up like you for allegedly going too fast, but that thing sounded like it really was was heading for the moon in 3rd gear at 4000 revs. So for the three years i had it I had to pull in the clutch and idle past both moving and stationery cops. Worked a treat.

[Toaster]

You only just lost respect 3yrs ago, I lost ALL respect for TRAFFIC fuzz 20yrs past when I got done for dangerous riding because the sausage headed git said I must have been trying to get myself into orbit because he could hear my bike " booming and screaming" and when he caught sight of me I was in a "racers crouch" ( he had no radar reading, and I was on a ducati SD900 with conti pipes), I was doing 110 in a 100 zone.

So if we all ride crouched over and zip about in first gear everywhere (making booming and screaming) we all get done for dangerous driving? How on earth did that charge hold up in court? Which part of that was "dangerous"?

[peasea]

So if we all ride crouched over and zip about in first gear everywhere (making booming and screaming) we all get done for dangerous driving? How on earth did that charge hold up in court? Which part of that was "dangerous"?

It would have to be the '10k' killer factor.

I now have to stitch my own head up, coz I banged it so hard on the pooter desk.

[scumdog]

It would have to be the '10k' killer factor.

I now have to stitch my own head up, coz I banged it so hard on the pooter desk.

20 years ago it wasn't 10k killer factor, more like 20k back then (I know this how you may ask??:whistle:)

[TomJ]

so whats the legality with radar jammers? good to go, or best to blame that shit on the car behind you.

Have been reading up on changes to driving age legislation and it includes section on banning radar jammers. becomes current 1st August. No mention of radar detectors however.

[Swoop]

Have been reading up on changes to driving age legislation and it includes section on banning radar jammers. becomes current 1st August. No mention of radar detectors however.
Radar jammers are already illegal.

[TomJ]

Radar jammers are already illegal.

wonder why they put into the new legislation?

anyway if pulled over a jammer is prob more likely to stir up the cops than a detector!

[pritch]

wonder why they put into the new legislation?


I understand that currently the charge would be something along the lines of making an unauthorised radio transmission. Perhaps they're going for something more relevant.

Then again I really have no idea what I'm talking about, but then this is KB...:whistle:

[racefactory]

This is absolute bullshit. Scaremongering.

[theseekerfinds]

as a West Islander I grew up (?) in a state where radar detectors were illegal, the fines for getting caught with one mountainous, as such I only used one once and found myself constantly looking at it instead of the road. I ended up deciding that they just weren't for me and if I get/got caught speeding I would wear the fine if I was sure I was actually speeding. I have been ticketed on several occasions and from time to time I have not been sure enough and have taken the issue to court every time, the case has always been argued the same way: first of all I do some homework on the officer who ticketed me such as previous appearances on similar matters and how he me set up his radar, it's callibration etc and what the traffic density was like on the day if there is a radar reading to argue,
or how on earth he was actually able to say I was speeding when there was no radar reading the speed only his police college taught observation skills which I have always been able to argue have been clouded by his aural skills (that means he heard the bike and assumed I was speeding rather than actually watching my bike objectively) if there was no radar involved. My success rate is excellent, but then again my fine rate is low which means so is my unsure of guilt count :-)
Radar detectors are just not my cup of tea, I admit I can be a little under cautious on over speeding but the highway is the place to go a tad quicker in my opinion, not the urban streets.. I never argue or get wise to an officer of the law I spend the time assessing if this ticket will go to court or if I will just pay it.. but I do listen to what they have to say because most of the time they are their (and because it's more than one officer I will use "their") own worst enemy and reveal just how subjective the ticket they are issuing's genuine grounds for issue actually are.
I always smile when I see a radar detector on a bike simply because I hope that a) the thing has saved them money and points, and b) I am sure anyone and everyone who looks at a bike with a radar detector on it assumes it is because the rider is intent on speeding and want to avoid being caught that they have one. And yes intent can be a very difficult area to prove in court, not so in public forums though.. but then at times a judge will give you credit for honesty when you say "I looked down at my speedo and saw the needle between 100 and 110 on the dial, and in the time between that sighting and the police officer alerting me to pull over I didn't increase my speed at all so would offer the suggestion that whilst I was speeding I was still withing the margins allowed for by traffic police when looking at issuing fines and taking manufacturer error into account that a warning would suffice in this instance. I admit if I am speeding, even just a little bit because the judge is generally sick of hearing cries of innocence when they are simply not true..
we all speed, any of you guys on here who say you don't, well I call your bluff because not only do we all speed but we all lie too.. I see the argument for radar detectors slowing drivers down and for the case of them being illegalised as they encourage speeding between radar spikes but hey we know we are breaking the law when we speed so that kinda makes the whole thing moot to me.. I don't want one, don't need one and aint never gonna have one. but you guys who use them, good luck to you. I hope they provide the crutch that your posts seem to suggest you need them for :-)

[tel]

I have a RD. I do about 75,000km per year, car travel, plus some bike time, (but not enough time).It has saved many possible tickets by early warning
Most times I travel at 115-125km/hr. All South Is roads, usually with little to no traffic due to time of day travel
BUT
More often than not radar is now operated hot and loaded, they pull the trigger so no warning time given to allow for braking to under 110km.
now getting low on points
Any solutions out there?

[awayatc]

let me think.........

No....

[HQfiend]

So they're going to enact (or re-enact) a law that makes a device that doesn't exist illegal? Eggsalad! While they're chasing their tails around writing, re-writing, passing, arguing etc about radar jammers, I'll be out building my radar DooDar visual warning aids for detectors with ear phone jacks!


Oh and I loved this comment at the ODT

Illegal radar detectors
Submitted by mc2 on Tue, 09/02/2010 - 10:47am.

Since the only possible use of a radar detector is to avoid the police when speeding, then clearly there is no legal use for them.
This should automatically make them illegal.
It should be an instant fine and confiscation of the offending device, and there should not need a law change for that to be the case.
At the very least they should be a reason for the police to pull over drivers with them in the car, under suspicion of having undertaken illegal activities (ie speeding).




because having one means you've been speeding, ergo they should automatically come into your home and confiscate knives to stop murders or pull over all males and confiscate their penis's to stop rape!

[superman]

because having one means you've been speeding, ergo they should automatically come into your home and confiscate knives to stop murders or pull over all males and confiscate their penis's to stop rape!

Guilty before proven innocent in this great country of ours? Well I never!

[SPman]

Guilty before proven innocent in this great country of ours? Well I never!
Well - that'd be a first!

[SPman]

Radar jammers are already illegal.
"Kerb finders" aren't - well, over here, anyway, and act nicely as a radar jammer and are often sold as such, over here.......

[R1madness]

I always have a radar detector mounted to my bike. I still get the odd ticket but the police i talk to are fine about detectors. Their view seems to be that they do little to protect you and i have to agree, unless you are "hidin" behind a fast moving vehicle and use the detector to tell when that vehicle has been zapped and slow down. I got a ticket for 126km (was doing more than that when the detector went off the first time) about 3 months ago and go into a discussion with the officer about detectors since he had seen mine. I told him it saved my licemce and he had a laugh about it. When i described how i used it he was interested, saying that what i was doing was risky but that he understood the desire to have a good time on good raods with a good bike. All in all a decent guy. He didnt give me any attitude and i respected the fact he was doing his job. Too many people speed then whine and bitch about getting a ticket, we all know what the law is and that we break it from time to time. Take it on the chin like a man (or woman) if you want to speed. Or get a race licence and do your speeding on the track. Oh and if you get a radar jammer they ARE illegal and you can have your vehicle confiscated for having one of them... Its a Criminal offence to pervert the course of justice and this is more or less the law trhey use to prosicute you...

[MarkH]

I have a RD. I do about 75,000km per year, car travel, plus some bike time, (but not enough time).It has saved many possible tickets by early warning
Most times I travel at 115-125km/hr. All South Is roads, usually with little to no traffic due to time of day travel
BUT
More often than not radar is now operated hot and loaded, they pull the trigger so no warning time given to allow for braking to under 110km.
now getting low on points
Any solutions out there?

Have you tried travelling at 100-105km/hr - I don't know if it would help, but it is so crazy that it might just work.

Option 2:
be luckier

[Toaster]

Speeding is simply criminal ;)

Only during sex.

[Gremlin]

Oh and I loved this comment at the ODT

Illegal radar detectors
Submitted by mc2 on Tue, 09/02/2010 - 10:47am.

Since the only possible use of a radar detector is to avoid the police when speeding, then clearly there is no legal use for them.
This should automatically make them illegal.
It should be an instant fine and confiscation of the offending device, and there should not need a law change for that to be the case.
At the very least they should be a reason for the police to pull over drivers with them in the car, under suspicion of having undertaken illegal activities (ie speeding).

Look! A stupid person.

A lot of radar detectors also have SWS, or safety warning system. Most common use would be for roadworks on motorways, they could set up a beacon and people would get an alert for the upcoming works via the radar detector.

I believe it was offered free to the NZ Govt, which declined, believing it would lead to an increase in RD use... :facepalm: