The converted

[texmo]

I am thinking of selling my scooter and buying a motorbike, Whats a bike thats been proven to be a good 1000cc sports bike for under $6-7k?

[John]

I am thinking of selling my scooter and buying a motorbike, Whats a bike thats been proven to be a good 1000cc sports bike for under $6-7k?
Whoa thats a big jump maybe a 600cc first? the 1litres are incredibly fiesty.

I'm looking at trying to get a zx6r (95'ish) they are around that price range, and the bigger zx9r is also...

[Mr Skid]

Comming from a two stroke scooter, you might have trouble getting your head around the power delivery of a 1000cc 4 stroke sports bike.

I'd suggest looking for a 500cc two stroke, like a RG500. They have similar power to a 1000 4 stroke, but with the two stroke power delivery you are familar with. :niceone:

[NhuanH]

Comming from a two stroke scooter, you might have trouble getting your head around the power delivery of a 1000cc 4 stroke sports bike.

I'd suggest looking for a 500cc two stroke, like a RG500. They have similar power to a 1000 4 stroke, but with the two stroke power delivery you are familar with. :niceone:
Forget "weenie" 500 strokers, try a Suzuki High-abuser! :ride:

[White trash]

I'd suggest looking for a 500cc two stroke, like a RG500. They have similar power to a 1000 4 stroke, but with the two stroke power delivery you are familar with. :niceone:

I'd suggest not listening to anything this guy sez.

RG500. Similar power to a litre bike. Oh stop, my sides hurt.

[Maximus]

I'd suggest not listening to anything this guy sez.

RG500. Similar power to a litre bike. Oh stop, my sides hurt.

:killingme :killingme :killingme

Yea, what he said!

[Motu]

Comming from a two stroke scooter, you might have trouble getting your head around the power delivery of a 1000cc 4 stroke sports bike.

I'd suggest looking for a 500cc two stroke, like a RG500. They have similar power to a 1000 4 stroke, but with the two stroke power delivery you are familar with. :niceone:

Heh,heh - put him into orbit...or obit?

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, don't buy as late model reliable four stroke, get a has-been knackered two stroke.

[badlieutenant]

Whoa thats a big jump maybe a 600cc first? the 1litres are incredibly fiesty.

I'm looking at trying to get a zx6r (95'ish) they are around that price range, and the bigger zx9r is also...
massive jump.
zx9r i like. me want.

[bugjuice]

go find a 6 that suits you best. That's more than enough for the roads, and especially coming from a scooter. It'll almost be like learning to ride again, so don't overwhelm yourself, or you'll quickly get into unknown territory. Have a look on trademe, ride a few, and see what best fits your butt/budget/beliefs (the 3 Bs)

[John]

Infact, try find a 350 Goose! That would get you into the swing of a bike! without the danger of the bigger ones, and without the cost of the 250's Just an Idea..

Otherwise, as I orignally said - go find a tamer 600.. be carefull with the older big 4's though they are abit heavy, upwards of 200kg dry..

[Skunk]

I am thinking of selling my scooter and buying a motorbike, Whats a bike thats been proven to be a good 1000cc sports bike for under $6-7k?
Fuck mate, you're either real good or looking to crash.
Get a 95ish 600 first... That's in the price range you're looking at and still has enough go to kill you (if THAT is what you're looking for... :no: )

Edit: John has a better idea

Infact, try find a 350 Goose! That would get you into the swing of a bike! without the danger of the bigger ones, and without the cost of the 250's
Boyles here in Wgtn have one for $3500.

[Mr Skid]

I'd suggest not listening to anything this guy sez.

RG500. Similar power to a litre bike. Oh stop, my sides hurt.
Hey hey, don't be knocking, anyone talented enough to step up from a scoot to a thou will be able to handle a 500cc two stroke.
Oh what's that? My humor is too subtle? Here's a smily for ya then ;)

And here's just the bike for texmo!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-27330844.htm

Vespa's are soooo cool right? Well how cool would four 125cc vespas be? That'd be just ace eh?

Well that's how cool a RG500 is. You'd be the envy of all your single expansion chamber mates.

[Biff]

I'm with the majority here mate - a scooter to a litre bike is a big jump. And scooter and motor bike riding are leagues apart anyway.

Stick to a 500 or 600 for a few months (at least) first. Maybe a Fazer, Bandit or Hornet - all great bikes with plenty of poke and very forgiving, so excellent to hone your biking skills and have great fun on.

[Motoracer]

Hey mate, why a thousand? Just want to know your opinion.

Cheers, MR.

[Marmoot]

I jumped from 200cc single cyl CB200 to a fireblade.
But I took it slow for the first 2 years (i.e., motorway riding, etc), or maybe I just got lucky.
It is possible if you don't feel bulletproof and you can make yourself very very afraid (of the bike's power).

But becareful, with the 6-8$k budget, if you want a litre bike you'd be looking at old ones, and they have very different handling than the new ones.
I.e: more difficult to handle.

Don't take example of me. I somewhat agree with these guys. It is better to end up with 1996+ 600cc bike, than having to manhandle pre 1994 litre bike without experience.

[MD]

What's wrong with the 500 twins - Suzi GS500 or Kawa ER5 or it's daddy the GPZ500. That's still a big step up from a scoot and they pack heaps of go, economical and provide a good base to hone your riding skills.

[MSTRS]

Weight X 3 + power X 10 = 30 times the fun. Right? Dorn Duit. Even a 400 is a huge step up from a puker

[Coldkiwi]

if you're coming from a scoot, i'd agree with the guys plumping for a mid 90's 600 as opposed to an old school litre bike. you'll get a better bike for your cash than an older litre bike and it'll be much nicer to you. plus, insurance should be cheaper.

anyway, dunno if anyones told you, but a well handled mid 90's 600 can easily keep up with most riders on litre bikes (even new ones) so don't let the fear of getting left behind dictate your desire for a 1000

[Sensei]

I think a RF900 would be a great bike Plenty of power handle well & are comfortable . Very under rated bike :niceone:

[crazylittleshit]

Bro Slow down 1000cc can only ever be used on the track so why even think of getting one.
600cc the beter way to go you'll have more fun too.

P.s get a 636

[badlieutenant]

Weight X 3 + power X 10 = 30 times the fun. Right? Dorn Duit. Even a 400 is a huge step up from a puker

late 90's 600 ? errr how much riding has our man done ? im with mstrs here get a nice 400 to throw away a few times.

and gamma (rg500) is not a learners bike. this is a 2 stroke people and was a weapon in its day. Put a good rider in the seat and itll keep up with the big boys in the twisties still. Might even shame a few of them too :D (hmmm 2 stroke power on the road....)(no sexual references plz WT or NC)

[Two Smoker]

Farken hell a 1000??? Have you ridden a bike??? My RG150 is quicker than most scoots.... if your keen to jump straight in, try a 400... 400 ARE THE BEST... Very forgiving and heaps of power....

[Motoracer]

Hey mate, why a thousand? Just want to know your opinion.

Cheers, MR.

If you answer this question I and others will know your intentions and can give you accrate advise then.

Most of us have a world of knowledge but we don't want to talk some shit for the next ten pages which could be entirely irralavent to you.

No matter what though, 1000 is way too big and asking for trouble. Not only is it a matter of danger but it'll take a lot longer for you to become a good rider, compaired to if you decide on getting a 400 as a step up from your scoot.

A very good rider can beat most people on 1000cc bikes with some thing as small as a RG150 (Twosmoker) or CBR250RR (Andy1) etc etc.

But if you don't want performance and you just want to tour around on a big comfy bike. I can kinda understand that but still, when things go wrong, you still wouldn't have what it takes to handle the big 1000 with out going through some smaller bikes as a step up. Either that or you will learn how to ride a 1000 by crashing a few times. If you become really good on a 1000 straigt away with out crashing good for you but the odds will be greatly against it.

[texmo]

I want a 1000cc Because of the power I ahve ridden: fxr150 slower than my scooter, a nsr250 faster than scooter but not quite fast enough, a couple of in betweens and a hornet 600 nice fast enough and I loved every minute of it, I have also been on a 1000cc motoguzzie as a pillion and a suzzuki of some sorts.
If what you say is true cold and I can keen up with the thou's then I might just buy one of them I have been riding bikes scince I was 15 and a half and I have ridden a scooter for the last year for atleast 1 hour a day, but I cant compare that to a bike scooter is as much riding a horse as it is a bike.
Im not a great rider I dont want to die I do take it easy I do know what my limits are racing on mt wellington taught my that, Its pure froth right now though But I would like to get a 4 stroke 600-1000cc any less and I may as well stick with scooter speed wise a runner which is a 180cc auto which I can get for $2500 and stick a Fabrizi Racing kit on it along with an up gear kit chamber and all the rest of it for another $2000 will go 170km and will put 33 HP out at the rear wheel ( after it goes through the automatic gear box) Which will beat any of your 250-600cc's along scenic drive. a 1960ish lambretta and a px200 both tuned beat a 911 turbo along that road on sunday the porky couldnt have gone much faster either as it was wheel skidding at the corners.
In short I want a bike that will have enough power to chug along with everyone else on rides.....

[texmo]

Opps I did have a ride on a VFR400 today I do like that as It was mint as through the corners.

[Grumpy]

I want a 1000cc Because of the power I ahve ridden: fxr150 slower than my scooter, a nsr250 faster than scooter but not quite fast enough, a couple of in betweens and a hornet 600 nice fast enough and I loved every minute of it, I have also been on a 1000cc motoguzzie as a pillion and a suzzuki of some sorts.
If what you say is true cold and I can keen up with the thou's then I might just buy one of them I have been riding bikes scince I was 15 and a half and I have ridden a scooter for the last year for atleast 1 hour a day, but I cant compare that to a bike scooter is as much riding a horse as it is a bike.
Im not a great rider I dont want to die I do take it easy I do know what my limits are racing on mt wellington taught my that, Its pure froth right now though But I would like to get a 4 stroke 600-1000cc any less and I may as well stick with scooter speed wise a runner which is a 180cc auto which I can get for $2500 and stick a Fabrizi Racing kit on it along with an up gear kit chamber and all the rest of it for another $2000 will go 170km and will put 33 HP out at the rear wheel ( after it goes through the automatic gear box) Which will beat any of your 250-600cc's along scenic drive. a 1960ish lambretta and a px200 both tuned beat a 911 turbo along that road on sunday the porky couldnt have gone much faster either as it was wheel skidding at the corners.
In short I want a bike that will have enough power to chug along with everyone else on rides.....

Can't argue with that. You'll definately get a slightly better 600 for the money I 'spose.

Whatever you decide..... just be fucking careful.

[Monsterbishi]

imo, a 400 should be your next step, we've lost 2 forum members lately, don't need to lose more...

a litre bike is much heavier, and faster than anything you could ever compare it to, a 600 hornet is one of the tamest 600's out there, and you think that is fast enough - compared to a litre bike it's a scooter!

[texmo]

imo, a 400 should be your next step, we've lost 2 forum members lately, don't need to lose more...

a litre bike is much heavier, and faster than anything you could ever compare it to, a 600 hornet is one of the tamest 600's out there, and you think that is fast enough - compared to a litre bike it's a scooter!
I said fast enough but thats not what I want is it..... I want a bike mostly for old highway 16 something that will cain around the corners up there....

[Monsterbishi]

If you want corner goodness with some torque, have a look at the CBR400RR, that's one thing that is unfortunate with getting a bigger bike, they don't corner half as well as a short, light bike.

[Two Smoker]

I said fast enough but thats not what I want is it..... I want a bike mostly for old highway 16 something that will cain around the corners up there....

Then you want a 400... 400 i reckon was basically disigned on SH16...

My RG150 puts out 32hp at the rear wheel... My ZXR400 puts out about 55-60hp at the rear wheel and is quiker than a VFR and NSR...

My GSX-R600 (top of the line, one of the quickest 600's) has 100hp at the back wheel, and for about $2500 will have 120hp at the back wheel... This bike is quicker than ANY car (including most FULLY done up rice cars)

then you have the litre bike which are FUCKING insane.... 260+ comes up VERY quickly...

Your talking about doing 170-180 top speed on a scooter (same top speed as my RG150) my ZXR does 230kmh and my GSX-R will do 200kmh...... in THIRD GEAR... I suggest buying a 600....like a Hornet etc...

[texmo]

I said fast enough but thats not what I want is it..... I want a bike mostly for old highway 16 something that will cain around the corners up there....
I must point out im not hear to argue after reading what you people have said I probly wont get a thou.....

[Ghost Lemur]

I want a 1000cc Because of the power I ahve ridden: fxr150 slower than my scooter, a nsr250 faster than scooter but not quite fast enough, a couple of in betweens and a hornet 600 nice fast enough and I loved every minute of it, I have also been on a 1000cc motoguzzie as a pillion and a suzzuki of some sorts.
If what you say is true cold and I can keen up with the thou's then I might just buy one of them I have been riding bikes scince I was 15 and a half and I have ridden a scooter for the last year for atleast 1 hour a day, but I cant compare that to a bike scooter is as much riding a horse as it is a bike.
Im not a great rider I dont want to die I do take it easy I do know what my limits are racing on mt wellington taught my that, Its pure froth right now though But I would like to get a 4 stroke 600-1000cc any less and I may as well stick with scooter speed wise a runner which is a 180cc auto which I can get for $2500 and stick a Fabrizi Racing kit on it along with an up gear kit chamber and all the rest of it for another $2000 will go 170km and will put 33 HP out at the rear wheel ( after it goes through the automatic gear box) Which will beat any of your 250-600cc's along scenic drive. a 1960ish lambretta and a px200 both tuned beat a 911 turbo along that road on sunday the porky couldnt have gone much faster either as it was wheel skidding at the corners.
In short I want a bike that will have enough power to chug along with everyone else on rides.....


Please take the following as being constructive, and think about it before you shrug it off.

In the above quote I noticed multiple references to being able to "beat" other vehicles. This stands out a lot more than your earlier statement about knowing your own limits.

You are obviously a competitive person. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

But here is my suggestion. Would you consider getting a sex-hundy (lots of loving at the 636 atm)? The only area you may loose out with a 600 over a 1000 is in top end, and you're not going to be Ghostriding on the road because you know your limits. So a 600 is more than capable of keeping up with anyone (rider dependant obviously). This would have the added benefit of saving you about $7k. With this left over you could get yourself a 400 or a bucket and get racing.

Get you highspeed fun on the track, and enjoy road riding for what it is (not saying you have to be a nana, a sexhundy aint no nana's bike).

[Two Smoker]

I must point out im not hear to argue after reading what you people have said I probly wont get a thou.....

never thought you were :niceone: if you get a thou thats your decision.... but have a ride of some bikes, see what you think...

[texmo]

230km/hr on bike makes you sweat ..... 160km/hr on 10" wheels is plain fucking scary you cant compare the two I have been about 260 in my dads can 140 on a scoot feels faster.

[texmo]

I have been bucket racing but enjoy scooter racing more takes a LOT more skill I still think some of thoes bucket dude have skill I race with them, but I cant get to tamanuri this weekend which is a shame

[Sensei]

Hey there Texmo .I'v been riding Big HP 1000's for over 10 years & have owned 50+ bikes . Sounds like what the Lads have said about either a 400cc / 600cc would do you fine ,not to sure how long ya been riding or how old you are but don't get caught up in the fact that you have to have a 1000 just to look Kool . Know of alot of 1000cc riders that cann't even beat themselves off let alone beat a 400/600c rider throught the twistys . But they have the Big bike as it makes them look like they know what they are doing .
If a 1000 is what you want then None of us here can tell you other wise . Think about what you want out of you bike & if your skill is better than the bike demands if all good then Happy riding Dude . :niceone:

[texmo]

I am 18 I have been riding for around 3 years before that I moutain biked down hill slalim, I have average riding skills I do know my limits ( I drove a gts-t for the best part of 6 months that did 13 sec 1/4's ). I want a bike that can go 120km'hr all day long have lots of punch at the speed and be able to corner like nothing else. So I probly wont get a tho after what I have read maby a new 600 or the likes. But I have to wait and see as im currenty a bum and have quit my job.

[Skunk]

I want a bike that can go 120km'hr all day long have lots of punch at the speed and be able to corner like nothing else. So I probly wont get a tho after what I have read maby a new 600 or the likes.A later model 400 sportsbike will do that (if you can find one in your price range), otherwise any 600 sportbike will do it and still be light enough to flick and corner easily.
Remember that it's the weight that determines cornering ability of the bike first.

[SPORK]

VFR400 NC30? Cheap as chips!

[texmo]

I would love a VFR400 mmmmmm but at the same time a gsxr600

[zadok]

Only 18..... think of insurance premiums as well.
An older bike like a Yamaha XJ 900 might be the ticket, plus it's shaft drive.... what a bonus!

Marty :ride:

[Posh Tourer :P]

"can get for $2500 and stick a Fabrizi Racing kit on it along with an up gear kit chamber and all the rest of it for another $2000 will go 170km and will put 33 HP out at the rear wheel ( after it goes through the automatic gear box) Which will beat any of your 250-600cc's along scenic drive. a 1960ish lambretta and a px200 both tuned beat a 911 turbo along that road on sunday the porky couldnt have gone much faster either as it was wheel skidding at the corners."

Have you tried one of these keeping up with a reasonable rider who knows the road, say TS on his RG150? My bet is the porsche was on a road far too small for it. Ive followed, "comfortably", on my R65, a BMW325i who was getting the back out back from Piha. I wouldnt be fooled into thinking that a 600 is an easy touch, you could absolutely fly past that porsche (I suspect) on a ZXR400 on good tyres....

[Two Smoker]

ok...mmmmm
TS.. what you doing this weekend.
I wouldnt start skiting too soon mate.... TS on his RG 150 will kick your ass on any scenic drive (or most roads for that mater) while your on that thing

Im free next weekend :D racing this one though... and my front tyre is a bit shagged..... still fun having battles with MR though....

[Shade]

Yeah i'd say go for a ride with a skilled rider first dude. You'll be sorely mistaken of your skills. I know i was the first time, hehe.

[MSTRS]

I want a bike that can go 120km'hr all day long have lots of punch at the speed and be able to corner like nothing else.
Tyres & rider skill will have more to do with this than any particular cc

[750Y]

glad these guys have been able to convince You not to get a thou. it is just too much temptation. what are you gonna do when the rear tries to overtake the front doing triple digits in the wet? it'll happen so fast you won't even have time to think and you'll have to draw on all that experience you've built up just to fluke a recovery or you're brown bread. instead of being the man you will be in hospital or worse.

[Coldkiwi]

the suggestions of 636's are nice, but you won't find one for the $7-8000 you've got to spend texmo.
See if you can find some of these for a test ride instead as they should be going for your level of cash
1998-2000 ZX6R (I owned a 97 one for a year, not that sharp given the current day technology but certainly good enough for any twisties, especially with modern tyres, with more power than that hornet) the newer models would certainly meet your needs for some time to come.
late 90's ZXR400. good bikes and more than enough for effortless 120 crusing. You may feel a bit underpowered if you think you're pretty hot and go riding with equally hot blokes on 600's though so make sure you take it for a good spin first.
CBR600's before 2002 are probably going to be too soft for what you're after (as are FZR600s? anyone know more about them?)

[mikey]

i have a 8mint8 cbr 2500000 you can have for 2 grand an spend another 5 putting a nitrous kit on it, then youll be quick in the twistier bits an have a little poke in a straight line

what sya you chap hey wot

[Skunk]

i have a 8mint8 cbr 2500000 you can have for 2 grand an spend another 5 putting a nitrous kit on it, then youll be quick in the twistier bits an have a little poke in a straight line

what sya you chap hey wot
That sounds like a good deal. It thrashes my bike already, eh? :whistle:

[gav]

1000's are for blokes with small willies :whistle: :killingme

[Zed]

I am thinking of selling my scooter and buying a motorbike, Whats a bike thats been proven to be a good 1000cc sports bike for under $6-7k?Forget about it Texmo, you'll either injure or kill yourself! With the upgrade from your '"scoot"' you will also need an upgrade in *attitude* to ride a big bike, and from what I'm reading from you on this thread you might as well forget about it kid. :no:

For the serious buyer I would recommend buying a Fireblade (the real 900+cc one) for that price range. Any year is fine just as long as the k's are low and it passes a mechanical inspection.

[DebK]

I went from a scooter straight onto a Kwaka 636... and have not regretted the move! Bloody brilliant and I love it.

[jazbug5]

Yes, but your scooter was pretty powerful, you rode it a fair distance and you are, *ahem* a little more mature than Texmo here. Therefore you're not going to thrash the berries off the thing trying to 'keep up with the big guys' before you're ready to.
You lucky, lucky woman. *jealous face*

[DebK]

Hey jazbug5.

To be fair I'm not lucky, just had heaps of money at the time to splash around :)

Texmo, jazbug and everyone else are correct in everything they say. I'm 36 years old and not a hothead (read: under control, not of the 'fanta pants' variety).

Off to ride my bike home now! See ya

[Wellyman]

my old man has an RG five -hundy but he would never sell it on. he has had it for years.

[Yarg]

try a Suzuki GS500 or a 600cc sports :ride:

[Zed]

Off to ride my bike home now! See yaI can't just feel the *excitement* in those words Deb...like a lil' kid you are!

I too looked forward to my ride home from work 2day, took the long way I did...60kms longer hehe! :ride:

[magnum]

any late model 600 will do you for years to come for that sort of money,i wouldnt hesitate to recommend a zx6r,have had mine for 2 years with not a hassle[30,000ks]lots a trackdays and some touring,sweettttttttttt :ride:

[texmo]

Yes, but your scooter was pretty powerful, you rode it a fair distance and you are, *ahem* a little more mature than Texmo here. Therefore you're not going to thrash the berries off the thing trying to 'keep up with the big guys' before you're ready to.
You lucky, lucky woman. *jealous face*
Let me get this straight you think my bike is slower than a dragseter? blah

After all this banter? I just brought a pk50 which I am turning into a race bike now as that is what I enjoy the most, So no motorbike for me for now. I took a VFR400 for a test ride though and If I do decide to get a bike I will probly get one of thoes as I travel to mangawhai heads often and I can still afford to buy one even after I tune a bike for racing.

[aff-man]

okey might as well put in my 2c. I went from a zxr250 to a zxr400 to a cbr600. And i have test ridden a vfr400. So here is my little input. The step up from the 250 to the 400 was a lot bigger than it is on paper in saying that though my zxr400 was quite a bit quicker than the vfr i test rode. The 600 was again that step up. But i was used to pushing the 400 so i had no problems just jumping on and going. In saying this i think skill wise doing the 250 to 400 to 600 thing was the best for me. But i think it would have taken me longer but i could have handled the 600. Had a go on Ck's gsxr600 and nhuan's zxr636 and they are loads quicker than my bike. Which is why i don't think i'll migrate into the litre class. I don't weigh much so i can do just as well on a 600 as some fat guy on a 1000. Good fun though and it's way easier to pull wheelies on the 600. :devil2: :devil2:

[mikey]

That sounds like a good deal. It thrashes my bike already, eh? :whistle:

gives it a good rogering up that thing you call an exhauster pipe casue you ride so slow., :whistle:

[NhuanH]

After all this banter? I just brought a pk50 which I am turning into a race bike now as that is what I enjoy the most, So no motorbike for me for now. I took a VFR400 for a test ride though and If I do decide to get a bike I will probly get one of thoes as I travel to mangawhai heads often and I can still afford to buy one even after I tune a bike for racing.

So, completely counter to this thread title, you are in fact "The not-converted"?

The undecided?
The wasn't-gonna-get-a-motobicycle-anyways?
The cast-around-for-ideas-and-not-take-any-heed-of-advice-given-with-good-intentions?

Please come back the next time you feel you need some constructive advice.... :weird:

[Sniper]

Hmmmmm, you sure you are not from the other planet

[Skunk]

gives it a good rogering up that thing you call an exhauster pipe casue you ride so slow., :whistle:
:rofl: :whistle:

[texmo]

Im a "frother" I keep changing my mind all the time I really want a motorbike though but racing is on my a list. Racing is way more fun than going fast on the road.

[250learna]

hmm yeah if you are just getting on to the bikes a nice 400 would be the way. Cost you as much as a 250, but you wont grow out of it so quickly, and you can spend hte extra $$$ on some realy decent gear :niceone: